TitanAnteus said: KingRequiem said: I partly agree, because it's also possible to be both critical and elitist. I'm part of the people that believe objective taste exists to a certain point. No matter how hard he says it's his own opinion, someone can't say Sharknado is a better movie than Jaws without losing my respect to a certain extent. People who bash something because it doesn't fit their preferences and can't take a step back to get the context before rating on quality is plain stupid though If that person says they enjoyed Sharknado, then saw Jaws and didn't really get scared as they're numb to horror movies and see past passable sfx, then don't you think it makes sense? "Sharknado made me laugh more than Jaws tried to scare me, so Sharknado is better in my eyes." You can't fault that kind of logic. Objective taste doesn't exist, but you can get close. If you're comparing things in the same genre, or things that are trying to achieve the same thing. If you're trying to compare action-survival horrors like Highschool of the Dead and Attack on Titan then you can bring out opinions that are generally considered objective and make a point. Saying Non Non Biyori is a waste of the animator's time since they could be working on something more worthwhile though, is being an elitist. also, you can't argue with that logic, but from most critical perspectives or methods of textual/visual/filmic analysis it's wrong. when people say 'all art can only be evaluated subjectively' it's basically a non-response. in terms of liking a work yes! but in terms of artistic worth, which is what is usually actually being discussed, you can come a lot closer. there's still a lot of room for different opinions on quality of works but the range of opinions tends to become a lot smaller when you make your criteria more specific |
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Well i will look at this a little more closely. First of all i would argue that objectively good thing maybe don't exist, tho objectively bad that is for sure. Word "objective" is not that easy thing, it has few definition and just because someone chosen to used that one doesn't mean it is correct. This is how objective is defined towards art: "expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations <objective art> <an objective history of the war> <an objective judgment>" (Merriam-Webster) So the whole first point makes no sense, as it was based on illogical premise. The only part of writing that is subjective is style, unless you want to count themes, premises and etc as parts of writing. Few example breaking your own logic while writing, plot holes, pretentious, edgy writing. All of those are objectively bad examples of writing no matter how you feel about them. Some parts of sound can objective. Animation only consist of movement, it is always objective, art style is subjective tho. |
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| Another thing I'd like to add. When a so called "elitist" talks about a show he likes, you guys will bash him for it. For example people like, Zeta-Astacion said: Snappynator said: It has to be "deep", complex, psychological, old-school (not neccesarily all of them, but many of the shows labeled "elitist" is usually old), must have no moe, cute girls or fanservice. I think that's about it. All Elitist hates Cute girls and Moe. All Elitist had Gar fetish and Manly Men fetish. If they watch Fist of the North Star and Jojo`s Bizarre Adventure, they`ll act like an Autistic Potato. Yet the people who say stuff like this don't get called out? Its complete shit. You guys are MUCH more cancerous than elitists ever could be. When discussing two similar shows, its ok for people say say the newer one is better, but as soon as someone says the older one is better you guys lash out at him and call him an elitist. Truly pathetic. |
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NateMKII said: Another thing I'd like to add. When a so called "elitist" talks about a show he likes, you guys will bash him for it. For example people like, Zeta-Astacion said: All Elitist hates Cute girls and Moe. All Elitist had Gar fetish and Manly Men fetish. If they watch Fist of the North Star and Jojo`s Bizarre Adventure, they`ll act like an Autistic Potato. Yet the people who say stuff like this don't get called out? Its complete shit. You guys are MUCH more cancerous than elitists ever could be. Like mentioned before trying to put yourself over other because of any reason is elitism, so they are elitist who think that they bash elitist. Doing something like that just indicates that they don't now shit about the think they are talking. At the end people like that are just uneducated on topic which for some reason they still chose to speak on. |
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4blaze2it0 said: TheBrainintheJar said: Do they really do that? I met people who were into stereotypically 'elitist' shows, but they simply had a view of anime that made those 'elitist' shows very appealing. It's simple; if someone has a so called ' elitist' anime in their favorites but can still appreciate shows like Code Geass and SnK, then they aren't elitists. Well, too me artleast anyway.. On the other hand there are just so many people who rate every mainstream anime 3-5/10 while having stuff like kaiba,ping pong on their favorites. I saw a MAL account which rated S;G and SnK a 3 while claiming himself to be ' critical'. I think you might remember him from that sound thread. The only way to know if someone is critical is to hear their arguments. It's possible for someone to love a lot of 'elitist' anime and dislike a lot of 'mainstream' anime. What if he can explain why it's so? What if their reasoning isn't bullshit 'it's open to interpretation, so good!" or "you were bored because it's stupid"? I don't judge people just because on the scores they give. I love Future Diary, after all, but find that even the fans don't understand what makes it so good. |
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| Yeah I agree with some posters here. I also find it weird that elitism is somehow linked to liking certain series that have small cult followings instead of being about a certain mindset. Is a person who likes say harems and criticizes people who like, let's say, Lain or LoGH (as seen multiple times in this thread) any different from a person who likes the later and criticizes the first. I feel there's an intend of looking down upon someone who has different tastes in both cases and is incredibly hypocritical to call just on of them "elitists" from my point of view. |
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| ofc many are elitists are lying about the shit they enjoy alot of ppl just don't want people to know they're secretly into certain genres, so they bash them |
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Mamster-P said: ofc many are elitists are lying about the shit they enjoy alot of ppl just don't want people to know they're secretly into certain genres, so they bash them Or, here's a thought, maybe they actually enjoy the shows they say they do, and hate the shows they say they hate Pretty hard concept I know |
NateMKII said: Mamster-P said: ofc many are elitists are lying about the shit they enjoy alot of ppl just don't want people to know they're secretly into certain genres, so they bash them Or, here's a thought, maybe they actually enjoy the shows they say they do, and hate the shows they say they hate Pretty hard concept I know im pretty sure that applies to everyone and not just elitists, idk why you even said that, cause it doesn't negate that people lie to protect their image elitists like to bash things, and its pretty damn common for people who spend all their time acting like people who don't like what they do are idiots to be the ones who are secretly into what they bash |
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Mayuka said: nobody really hates elitists they hate people who shit on others tastes which is what some elitists do ...that's what all elitists do. That's what an elitist is. |
keragamming said: sman3579 said: This is a question I ask myself every time I see a profile with a mean score of like 3.5. What is the point of even watching anime if you hate it on average. It's a waste of time. The Answers I've got is that some people are completionist or some people watch the so called shitty shows so that they can appreciate the "rare" good shows more. Well, I get that to some extend, but you would think after a while they would get tired of those series, and just stay clear from them, I could only understand if the series is popular, if you are a person that like to discuss about the latest stuff. I myself is a bit burn out from watching anime, I've been mostly watching TV series right now. I still feel like that is sort of a waste of time. Intentionally putting yourself through watching a bad anime just to complete it or just so you can appreciate good anime more......... I would rather spend my time doing something else personally. |
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sman3579 said: keragamming said: The Answers I've got is that some people are completionist or some people watch the so called shitty shows so that they can appreciate the "rare" good shows more. Well, I get that to some extend, but you would think after a while they would get tired of those series, and just stay clear from them, I could only understand if the series is popular, if you are a person that like to discuss about the latest stuff. I myself is a bit burn out from watching anime, I've been mostly watching TV series right now. I still feel like that is sort of a waste of time. Intentionally putting yourself through watching a bad anime just to complete it or just so you can appreciate good anime more......... I would rather spend my time doing something else personally. To be fair, you don't really know what a good show is until you know what a bad show is. So if the intent is to critically review, then he's doing a necessary thing. |
| I like what I like, and I hate what I hate. Simple as that. There's no falsehood in my list. I don't hate a show just because it's "over-hyped," and I don't like a show just because it's considered critically good. Just because a casual who's a fan of shows like Fairy Tail and One Piece, for instance, finds shows like Cowboy Bebop and LoGH to be boring doesn't mean everyone will find it as such. Some ppl like myself actually like well-executed shows like that. Doesn't mean they're lying about it. I don't consider myself an elitist, but I'm sure other people might because of my taste and reviews. I'm indifferent to that though. |
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NateMKII said: To be fair, you don't really know what a good show is until you know what a bad show is. So if the intent is to critically review, then he's doing a necessary thing. I understand that, and I think watching a few here and there is okay yeah, but I'm talking about those people who have seen like 100s of anime and have a mean score of 3.5. There is a difference between watching a bad show and hating almost everything you are watching. |
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| My two cents: just an empty label used to crop people up in different factions. Some dudes enjoy looking down on plebs from the astral plane (a higher state of being achieved by putting animes from a specific astral roster in your favorites), while others simply put a lot of thought into deciding what is worthy of praise and what is not (which is perfectly fine, and reasonable, and cool). Bandwagoning on pretentiousness isn't any different from bandwagoning on popularity, they're means to accomplish the same goal. It's a thing that happens. |
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| You know what I like about these sorts of threads? They almost always: • Are made by a relatively new member of MAL. • Are made by a member with very low post count • Never explain what they think elitism is and why it's bad • Give absolutely no references to where this type of activity can be observed • Make wild assumptions about these phantom people We may as well talk about whether Bigfoot is a carnivore or omnivore. |
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TripleSRank said: You know what I like about these sorts of threads? They almost always: • Are made by a relatively new member of MAL. • Are made by a member with very low post count • Never explain what they think elitism is and why it's bad • Give absolutely no references to where this type of activity can be observed • Make wild assumptions about these phantom people We may as well talk about whether Bigfoot is a carnivore or omnivore. I think he's vegetarian. The good thing about threads like this is being able to read the occasional level-headed posts to reaffirm my belief in mankind. Shout out to you, Red_Keys and NateMKII for example. sman3579 said: NateMKII said: To be fair, you don't really know what a good show is until you know what a bad show is. So if the intent is to critically review, then he's doing a necessary thing. I understand that, and I think watching a few here and there is okay yeah, but I'm talking about those people who have seen like 100s of anime and have a mean score of 3.5. There is a difference between watching a bad show and hating almost everything you are watching. keep in mind that not everyone necessarily rates only on their enjoyment. Most people I talked to with low averages like that still enjoy a lot of the stuff on their list if you talk to them about it, but for whatever reason their rating system is skewed toward the lower end of the scale. Rating low doesn't mean hating everything. Also regarding I still feel like that is sort of a waste of time. Intentionally putting yourself through watching a bad anime just to complete it or just so you can appreciate good anime more......... I would rather spend my time doing something else personally. Similarly, the intent is rarely to watch bad anime (unless it's something well known for being so terrible that it can be hilarious again, especially if you watch it with friends, but that's a different story) but rather it's a side effect of taking chances with less known titles. By far not all shows that are rated badly will also turn out to be bad for everyone so it's just a question of whether you're willing to take the risk of watching less renown and lower rated shows to find some gems for you personally that you would have missed otherwise. That's how 'bad' shows end up on my list usually, by taking a chance and getting disappointed. But all the pleasant surprises I encountered totally make it worthwile. And I'm a pretty generous rater so my average is still above 6, but only barely. Sapewloth said: They're lying to themselves concerning the quality of anime altogether. no u |
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| I'm pretty sure most people just rate things on how good they thought it was. I'm sure if someone were to think a show was good personally, whether they rate more critically or subjective, the majority of people including elitists would rate it high. I don't think that many people rate high just because other people do. To be honest I asked myself the same question with one punch man hype and many newcomers. Is it really that good? Or are you just buying into hype. Elitists may buy into hype as well no? If a new show is coming out that looks really good to an elitist, then they might be clouded by hype for a while. OMFG I really don't want to be on these forums for when lotgh remake comes out. Going to be fucking cancer. Worse than anything before. I mean it's very hype and could be amazing, but I can see a lot of annoying shit happening with people's attitudes. |
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Clebardman said: Here's the quick list: LoGH (must watch if you want to be a walking meme, just don't tell any serious sci-fi fan that you consider a space-opera "a masterpiece" if you value your credibily) Texh (must watch and gateway anime for elitists. NGE FLCL Everything by Yuasa (except Kemonozume for some unknown reason) Mushishi Lain Haibane Renmei Ergo Proxy GitS artsy stuff like Mononoke Mononoke Hime (DON'T PUT ANY OTHER GHIBLI MOVIE IN YOUR FAVS, IT'S A CLEAR SIGN OF PLEBEIANISM) You can throw in shows like Monster or Cowboy Bebop, but be careful, you might look like an old casual fart rather than a true elitist if you overdo it. Don`t forget Jojo`s Bizarre Adventure series Revolutionary Girl Utena Gunbuster Mobile Suit Gundam Universal Century Saga only Princess Tutu Kaiji Everything by Satoshi Kon Everything by Ryosuke Takahashi Everything by Osamu Dezaki Everything by Mamoru Oishii Everything by World Masterpiece Theater |
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| Each Elitist i have found have different taste. One might like a manly sort of show like Jo Jo while another will like a more subtle show. There are some Elitists that lie to themselves when watching an anime. But for most cases, an elitist will mention if a show is tedious if they have felt such. For others, they may have interpreted an artistic study or perspective within this anime you describe. Whether their interpretation is actually right or wrong doesn't change they fact that these elitists enjoyed the anime. |
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Pullman said: sman3579 said: I understand that, and I think watching a few here and there is okay yeah, but I'm talking about those people who have seen like 100s of anime and have a mean score of 3.5. There is a difference between watching a bad show and hating almost everything you are watching. keep in mind that not everyone necessarily rates only on their enjoyment. Most people I talked to with low averages like that still enjoy a lot of the stuff on their list if you talk to them about it, but for whatever reason their rating system is skewed toward the lower end of the scale. Rating low doesn't mean hating everything. The problem I have with this is, if someone has a skewed scale where they rate based off of 7 being "average" they receive an incredible amount of flak. I hear people complaining like, "oh you have a 7-8 mean score, you are such a casual" or something like, "what's the point of rating if you give everything a 7+" or even "use the whole scale." People who rate anime higher on average receive all these sorts of criticisms. Yet when someone has a 3-4 mean score you never (and I don't literally mean never, but just a whole lot less) hear complaints like "what's the point of rating if you give everything a 4 or below" or even "use the whole scale." You will hear elitist a lot, but not as much else as the 7+ have to deal with. And I've heard the "having a 3 mean score doesn't mean I hate the anime." Well a 3/10 = very bad, I find it hard to believe that people are enjoying something they thought was "very bad" as a product. |
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| @Pullman "keep in mind that not everyone necessarily rates only on their enjoyment. Most people I talked to with low averages like that still enjoy a lot of the stuff on their list if you talk to them about it, but for whatever reason their rating system is skewed toward the lower end of the scale. Rating low doesn't mean hating everything." Uh! These type of comment makes my blood boils. Yea, I totally agree with you, enjoyment comes out of thin air, its not like enjoyment is link directly to the characters, setting, plot, ect. "Rating low doesn't mean hating everything." A mean score says everything. So if someone has a extremely low mean score, then the conclusion should be simple, base on their list. You see we dont have mind reading powers therefore we only can make conclusion from what we see on the list. So if I see someone rate code geass a 3/10 my conclusion is that they thought it sucked. It wouldn't even cross my mind that they enjoyed it. Because I dont rate retardely. ”but for whatever reason their rating system is skewed toward the lower end of the scale. " I have a lot of theory on those reasons. But I will name just one. And that's because some people are obsess with having a low mean score, so they can be label as elitist or be look at as being cool. |
keragammingFeb 10, 2016 9:23 PM
| Have people ever considered that these anime are just good, and not "elitist anime" or whatever buzzword is mainstream right now? |
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sman3579 said: Pullman said: keep in mind that not everyone necessarily rates only on their enjoyment. Most people I talked to with low averages like that still enjoy a lot of the stuff on their list if you talk to them about it, but for whatever reason their rating system is skewed toward the lower end of the scale. Rating low doesn't mean hating everything. The problem I have with this is, if someone has a skewed scale where they rate based off of 7 being "average" they receive an incredible amount of flak. I hear people complaining like, "oh you have a 7-8 mean score, you are such a casual" or something like, "what's the point of rating if you give everything a 7+" or even "use the whole scale." People who rate anime higher on average receive all these sorts of criticisms. Yet when someone has a 3-4 mean score you never (and I don't literally mean never, but just a whole lot less) hear complaints like "what's the point of wasting if you give everything a 4 or below" or even "use the whole scale." You will hear elitist a lot, but not as much else as the 7+ have to deal with. And I've heard the "having a 3 mean score doesn't mean I hate the anime." Well a 3/10 = very bad, I find it hard to believe that people are enjoying something they thought was "very bad" as a product. I do see people frequently questioning whether people like that should even watch anime (like you have been doing) so if complaints about 7-10 rating scales are more frequent that's most likely just because there are more people like that (otherwise the MAL wide average would be lower) so it comes up more often. And in my experience those people still use the whole scale or at least up to 8 or 9, just only having handful of titles for each 5+ score and tons of titles for the scores below that. So if that particular complaint doesn't come up then it's probably because it doesn't fit as often. Personally I find an average of 3 and an average of 8 both questionable, but it's a fact the latter is more common and in my experience more people will jump in to defend a bloated average than a super low. Also considering the frequent number of people bashing and complaining about 'elitists' makes it even harder to buy that people with higher averages get harassed more than their counterparts. |
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xDru said: Someone pro tell my I'm an elitist or not, I'm 90% sure I'm not, I will answer afterwards. Wow... 97 ongoing anime... Judging from your list, you aren' t an elitist. You tend to give shows high marks, you watch shows not known for their awesomeness, and I haven't yet seen you annoying other people with your elitism. On the other hand, you seem to have seen a lot of different anime, that deserves some respect. Did that make you happy? |
keragamming said: @Pullman "keep in mind that not everyone necessarily rates only on their enjoyment. Most people I talked to with low averages like that still enjoy a lot of the stuff on their list if you talk to them about it, but for whatever reason their rating system is skewed toward the lower end of the scale. Rating low doesn't mean hating everything." Uh! These type of comment makes my blood boils. Yea, I totally agree with you, enjoyment comes out of thin air, its not like enjoyment is link directly to the characters, setting, plot, ect. "Rating low doesn't mean hating everything." A mean score says everything. So if someone has a extremely low mean score, then the conclusion should be simple, base on their list. You see we dont have mind reading powers therefore we only can make conclusion from what we see on the list. So if I see someone rate code geass a 3/10 my conclusion is that they thought it sucked. It wouldn't even cross my mind that they enjoyed it. Because I dont rate retardely. ”but for whatever reason their rating system is skewed toward the lower end of the scale. " I have a lot of theory on those reasons. But I will name just one. And that's because some people are obsess with having a low mean score, so they can be label as elitist or be look at as being cool. I wouldn't tell those people they rate retardedly if I were you, but that's up to you. But that doesn't change the fact that not everyone religiously follows the MAL description for scores and that there legitimately are people out there who rate stuff they enjoyed 4 or lower for whatever reason they like so jumping to the conclusion that they must hate anime without ever talking to them is not wise. One reason I remember hearing is to make their favorites stand out more. And who needs 4 variations of 'bad, didn't like it' in a rating scale anyway? If someone wants to only make 1 or 2 be reserved for stuff they found bad so they can diversify their likes more, that's fine. I highly doubt it matters to those people if a random guy on MAL sees their list and interprets them as 'this person hates anime'. The question is why do you care about their reasons but apparently don't take the time to just ask them? |
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Pullman said: I do see people frequently questioning whether people like that should even watch anime (like you have been doing) so if complaints about 7-10 rating scales are more frequent that's most likely just because there are more people like that (otherwise the MAL wide average would be lower) so it comes up more often. And in my experience those people still use the whole scale or at least up to 8 or 9, just only having handful of titles for each 5+ score and tons of titles for the scores below that. So if that particular complaint doesn't come up then it's probably because it doesn't fit as often. Personally I find an average of 3 and an average of 8 both questionable, but it's a fact the latter is more common and in my experience more people will jump in to defend a bloated average than a super low. Also considering the frequent number of people bashing and complaining about 'elitists' makes it even harder to buy that people with higher averages get harassed more than their counterparts. IDK man, I know everyone rates how they feel they should rate, and people are entitled to do so. But for me personally, if I ever got to the point I had a 3-4 mean score I would probably stop watching anime, but that's just me. |
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sman3579 said: Pullman said: I do see people frequently questioning whether people like that should even watch anime (like you have been doing) so if complaints about 7-10 rating scales are more frequent that's most likely just because there are more people like that (otherwise the MAL wide average would be lower) so it comes up more often. And in my experience those people still use the whole scale or at least up to 8 or 9, just only having handful of titles for each 5+ score and tons of titles for the scores below that. So if that particular complaint doesn't come up then it's probably because it doesn't fit as often. Personally I find an average of 3 and an average of 8 both questionable, but it's a fact the latter is more common and in my experience more people will jump in to defend a bloated average than a super low. Also considering the frequent number of people bashing and complaining about 'elitists' makes it even harder to buy that people with higher averages get harassed more than their counterparts. IDK man, I know everyone rates how they feel they should rate, and people are entitled to do so. But for me personally, if I ever got to the point I had a 3-4 mean score I would probably stop watching anime, but that's just me. Well, me too, because I try to adhere to the meaning MAL gives the ratings, but not everyone is rating like that. Which is bad (in both extremes) for how representative the overall average score on MAL becomes, but that can't be helped, or can it? |
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| I used to rate using 5 average, then i saw my mean score was much lower than average, so i readjust everything to 7. Usually at end of series i doubt checking other people scoring and review than finalize the score. But problem is now i have too much 7 because i feel a bit bad if i scored those average anime as 6 or lower lol. I will need to readjust them if i can hit 1k anime this year. In meantime, i need all elitist anime name as much as possible |
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Pullman said: keragamming said: @Pullman "keep in mind that not everyone necessarily rates only on their enjoyment. Most people I talked to with low averages like that still enjoy a lot of the stuff on their list if you talk to them about it, but for whatever reason their rating system is skewed toward the lower end of the scale. Rating low doesn't mean hating everything." Uh! These type of comment makes my blood boils. Yea, I totally agree with you, enjoyment comes out of thin air, its not like enjoyment is link directly to the characters, setting, plot, ect. "Rating low doesn't mean hating everything." A mean score says everything. So if someone has a extremely low mean score, then the conclusion should be simple, base on their list. You see we dont have mind reading powers therefore we only can make conclusion from what we see on the list. So if I see someone rate code geass a 3/10 my conclusion is that they thought it sucked. It wouldn't even cross my mind that they enjoyed it. Because I dont rate retardely. ”but for whatever reason their rating system is skewed toward the lower end of the scale. " I have a lot of theory on those reasons. But I will name just one. And that's because some people are obsess with having a low mean score, so they can be label as elitist or be look at as being cool. I wouldn't tell those people they rate retardedly if I were you, but that's up to you. But that doesn't change the fact that not everyone religiously follows the MAL description for scores and that there legitimately are people out there who rate stuff they enjoyed 4 or lower for whatever reason they like so jumping to the conclusion that they must hate anime without ever talking to them is not wise. One reason I remember hearing is to make their favorites stand out more. And who needs 4 variations of 'bad, didn't like it' in a rating scale anyway? If someone wants to only make 1 or 2 be reserved for stuff they found bad so they can diversify their likes more, that's fine. I highly doubt it matters to those people if a random guy on MAL sees their list and interprets them as 'this person hates anime'. The question is why do you care about their reasons but apparently don't take the time to just ask them? I don't see any reason why I need to ask anyone anything, when there list can already tell me everything I want to know. Your list basically is your reflection. So I expect it to be accurate. I get your point though. |
sman3579 said: Pullman said: I do see people frequently questioning whether people like that should even watch anime (like you have been doing) so if complaints about 7-10 rating scales are more frequent that's most likely just because there are more people like that (otherwise the MAL wide average would be lower) so it comes up more often. And in my experience those people still use the whole scale or at least up to 8 or 9, just only having handful of titles for each 5+ score and tons of titles for the scores below that. So if that particular complaint doesn't come up then it's probably because it doesn't fit as often. Personally I find an average of 3 and an average of 8 both questionable, but it's a fact the latter is more common and in my experience more people will jump in to defend a bloated average than a super low. Also considering the frequent number of people bashing and complaining about 'elitists' makes it even harder to buy that people with higher averages get harassed more than their counterparts. IDK man, I know everyone rates how they feel they should rate, and people are entitled to do so. But for me personally, if I ever got to the point I had a 3-4 mean score I would probably stop watching anime, but that's just me. The only user I recall with super low scores like that was receiving tons of crap for it in his profile comments. Ditto for some other guys I saw with a huge drop list. People who rate on the extreme low side receive even more criticism/hate from what I've seen. It just doesn't happen as often. Also, as Pullman was saying, not everyone thinks of the numbers the same way. They might only think of 1-2 as actually being "bad", for example. |
| Nah they do enjoy the shows that they watch, but then again not all elitist are the same. |
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| It's all about peer pressure OP Elitists™ form their opinions through what the rest of the group does. That's why LOGH has such a high favorite ratio. Aspiring Elitists™ see how other Elitists™ have LOGH as their favorite anime and copy them, to fit in the Elitism™ group. Same goes with various philosophies and rating scales they endorse in order to fit in. The hardest part is probably self sacrifice. Self sacrifice is the final step to joining Elitism™. According to their bible (The legend of the galactic heroes, Yang Wenli 1:1 ) Thou shall abandon enjoyment and embrace "critical" thinking or else the hellish pits of casualness awaits thou. It's a cult man, just don't get involved they'll try to convert you. You can't get away once you're their target. |
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| 6 Elitist Commandments 1. Thou shalt criticize all modern anime and complain how crappy they are, whilst begging desperately for a good show to watch. Draw thy conclusions about all modern anime after watching a couple of new shows. 2. Thou shalt have most of thy anime rated 5 and below. 3. Thou shalt have an anime made before 1990, -I mean- before the invention of the printing press as your favorite. Essentially have LOGH as thy favorite. EDIT: Many elitists have old anime as their favorite and believe modern anime is crap. Not accusing old anime of being bad. 4. Thou shalt think that everyone has inferior taste and only thou and a select few have the brains to appreciate good anime. 5. Thou shalt hate every overused trope or cliche, despite them not necessarily being making a show bad. 6. Thou shalt everything objectively as possible, suppressing thine personal enjoyment to truly judge an anime's worth. |
GaryMuffuginOakFeb 11, 2016 4:32 PM
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ashfrliebert said: Every single poster has a completely different definition on what "elitist" are, classic MAL. Have a working definition of elitism from me: Suppose you've watched a show. Maybe it's SAO, maybe it's a shiny new harem, maybe it's a shounen battle anime. The most important part is, it works, and it isn't a perfect masterpiece. A new anime fan will enjoy it a lot and will praise it. And give it a 9 or 10. An ordinary anime fan will probably still enjoy it, and complain how it's just like last season's harem. Or maybe praise it how it isn't just like last season's harem. And give it a 6-8 (depending on whether it was like like last season's harem). A critic will make a long rant about how it's just like last season's harem, how the ending was a deus ex machina, and so on. And give it 4-6, because it was neither so bad as to rate a 1-3 (in fact, it was mediocre), nor really all that good. A good critic's rant will actually be right, a bad one will make people who have liked the anime facepalm, but it's about the attitude. An elitist will rant about how the anime represents everything that is wrong with anime, and all its watchers should die, or at least stop watching it and start watching his favorites. And rate the anime an 1. When cornered, he will point to the critic's review. Probably to a bad critic's review, because it contains more hatred. plasma38 said: Let's say a show has all the ingredients elitists generally like (theme exploration,motifs, mature, adult characters, no moe etc)but it is super boring/tedious to watch. Do they still say to others that they liked it due said traits to others, to keep their reputation. Do they force themselves to like it or are they not true to themselves. What about the other way? If a particular elitist is a fan of this kind of shows, but this particular show is just a bad example of this kind - he will do just like all the rest of the fans of some kind of show. Ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist. Depending on how much the concept of public face has eaten his mind, he might remove it from his anime list, to be sure. |
plasma38 said: Let's say a show has all the ingredients elitists generally like (theme exploration,motifs, mature, adult characters, no moe etc)but it is super boring/tedious to watch. Do they still say to others that they liked it due said traits to others, to keep their reputation. Do they force themselves to like it or are they not true to themselves. What about the other way? elitism has nothing to do with what you like but with your attitude toward what you don't like, as well as your attitude toward peoples who don't like the same thing as you. BTW "elitist" isn't a compliment at all. So your question shouldn't use the word "elitist" there since what you're asking is if peoples who like "boring show" are lying to themselves. TO answer the "modified" question, first and foremost, you need to understand that the whole "boring" notion is completely subjective. For me, long fight is extremely boring. Whereas long explanations aren't at all if I have an interest in what is explained. So, the whole question about "why do you like super boring/tedious to watch" doesn't make sense. IF I like it, then for me it's not boring/tedious to watch to begin with. Yes, there's some peoples on MAL who definitely choose their "favourite list" not in function of what they like but of what some elitist circle jerk is telling he/she should like to have "superior taste". That's called bandwagoning. Nothing new here, it happens for lot of stuff, and yeah in that precise case they're at the very least lying to others. |
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GaryMuffuginOak said: 6 Elitist Commandments 1. Thou shalt criticize all modern anime and complain how crappy they are, whilst begging desperately for a good show to watch. Draw thy conclusions about all modern anime after watching a couple of new shows. 2. Thou shalt have most of thy anime rated 5 and below. 3. Thou shalt have an anime made before 1990, -I mean- before the invention of the printing press as your favorite. Essentially have LOGH as thy favorite. 4. Thou shalt think that everyone has inferior taste and only thou and a select few have the brains to appreciate good anime. 5. Thou shalt hate every overused trope or cliche, despite them not necessarily being making a show bad. 6. Thou shalt everything objectively as possible, suppressing thine personal enjoyment to truly judge an anime's worth. Also, this is Elitist`s Theme song as their national anthem. ''DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN ELITIST, ELITIIIIISTTT WE`RE SAVIOR OF THE INTERNET, I`M HERE TO KILL SOME TASTELESS CASUALS ELITIIIIISSSSSSSTTTTTTTTT I`M GONNA SHOVE MY OPINION TO EVERYONE ELSE`S THROAT ELITIIIIIIIISSSSSTTTTTTTTTT ELITIST ARE THE HOLY MESSIAH OF THE INTERNET I`M GONNA ENLIGHTEN THEM WITH MY DORRITOS AND MOUNTAIN DEW!!!! DUN DUN DUN DUN! ELITIST!'' |
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Zeta-Astacion said: The amount of elitists in this thread who don't even realize they're elitist...GaryMuffuginOak said: 6 Elitist Commandments 1. Thou shalt criticize all modern anime and complain how crappy they are, whilst begging desperately for a good show to watch. Draw thy conclusions about all modern anime after watching a couple of new shows. 2. Thou shalt have most of thy anime rated 5 and below. 3. Thou shalt have an anime made before 1990, -I mean- before the invention of the printing press as your favorite. Essentially have LOGH as thy favorite. 4. Thou shalt think that everyone has inferior taste and only thou and a select few have the brains to appreciate good anime. 5. Thou shalt hate every overused trope or cliche, despite them not necessarily being making a show bad. 6. Thou shalt everything objectively as possible, suppressing thine personal enjoyment to truly judge an anime's worth. Also, this is Elitist`s Theme song as their national anthem. ''DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN ELITIST, ELITIIIIISTTT WE`RE SAVIOR OF THE INTERNET, I`M HERE TO KILL SOME TASTELESS CASUALS ELITIIIIISSSSSSSTTTTTTTTT I`M GONNA SHOVE MY OPINION TO EVERYONE ELSE`S THROAT ELITIIIIIIIISSSSSTTTTTTTTTT ELITIST ARE THE HOLY MESSIAH OF THE INTERNET I`M GONNA ENLIGHTEN THEM WITH MY DORRITOS AND MOUNTAIN DEW!!!! DUN DUN DUN DUN! ELITIST!'' |
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ShrabsterFeb 11, 2016 11:41 AM
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| Elitism ? really , people who dislike shows just because they do are boring . I don't even understand what is Elitism in the eyes of people , people should just like whatever they like , people have different tastes and because someone likes something that's not mainstream or dislikes something that is mainstream doesn't make him shit , Hating something because it is mainstream is stupid. |
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Zeta-Astacion said: GaryMuffuginOak said: 6 Elitist Commandments 1. Thou shalt criticize all modern anime and complain how crappy they are, whilst begging desperately for a good show to watch. Draw thy conclusions about all modern anime after watching a couple of new shows. 2. Thou shalt have most of thy anime rated 5 and below. 3. Thou shalt have an anime made before 1990, -I mean- before the invention of the printing press as your favorite. Essentially have LOGH as thy favorite. 4. Thou shalt think that everyone has inferior taste and only thou and a select few have the brains to appreciate good anime. 5. Thou shalt hate every overused trope or cliche, despite them not necessarily being making a show bad. 6. Thou shalt everything objectively as possible, suppressing thine personal enjoyment to truly judge an anime's worth. Also, this is Elitist`s Theme song as their national anthem. ''DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN ELITIST, ELITIIIIISTTT WE`RE SAVIOR OF THE INTERNET, I`M HERE TO KILL SOME TASTELESS CASUALS ELITIIIIISSSSSSSTTTTTTTTT I`M GONNA SHOVE MY OPINION TO EVERYONE ELSE`S THROAT ELITIIIIIIIISSSSSTTTTTTTTTT ELITIST ARE THE HOLY MESSIAH OF THE INTERNET I`M GONNA ENLIGHTEN THEM WITH MY DORRITOS AND MOUNTAIN DEW!!!! DUN DUN DUN DUN! ELITIST!''  LOL I like that song xd.............................. |
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