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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Eh...this is what I had expected from DEEN. I like Chinese adapted novels but the artwork needs more improvement. There's some comedy gags that makes the show hard to take serious as well. I'm fine with that though as we got some clan stuff going on. There's nothing special in the first half until some two guys flew into town (literally). For a fantasy series, I'm not feeling it just yet but maybe it will get better later on? Hoping so. Lol the main character is clever and finds gold properties within a mystical object. At least we got a capable MC who knows some knowledge about their world. |
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| This anime was trying hard to be funny but so far it failed in my opinion. Some of the characters seem interesting but the main or better said the main party didn't seem that interesting to me. Well i will stick with this for the time being. |
| Any news on subgroup/streaming site picking this up? |
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| That was some really bad comedy imo. This anime just feels so lost with what it's trying to be. 2/5 |
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| Its really good IMO, it followed the manga really well, although there are a few characters included, as expected from xianxia 4/5 |
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| did you guys just review it based solely on the animation quality lol? to me its a refresh from all the mindless service/loli/waifu/panchira animes with some real plot and character development, to the other guys looking forward to this show, wait for the subs , the animation is indeed shit tier but the overall plot is intriguing |
KonWJan 8, 2016 6:19 PM
| I wonder how many years it would take before many would take Chinese animation seriously, we had the chance in the 60s or earlier, but now we have to build it from scrap and it's totally wrong-headed. |
raveninthemuddle said: I wonder how many years it would take before many would take Chinese animation seriously, we had the chance in the 60s or earlier, but now we have to build it from scrap and it's totally wrong-headed. its only the question of budget, its not like anime is rocket science, also this show is made by studio deen,, ill list some examples of high budget chinese made animes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLYWSD43b_w based on another chinese web comic published by Tencent, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA0JVAeSibc a new high profile movie to be shown in 2016 in cn cinemas also ,i came upon this japanese blog that lists specifically the newly cn made animes http://chinanime.blog.fc2.com/page-1.html ,, to list a few examples/pv of the new animes in cn this season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0iwQnZxlmU http://b.1339.cf/noqkuif.webm http://chinanime.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-958.html http://chinanime.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-959.html (seems to me all has better quality than this Reikenzan) |
KonWJan 8, 2016 10:32 PM
KonW said: raveninthemuddle said: I wonder how many years it would take before many would take Chinese animation seriously, we had the chance in the 60s or earlier, but now we have to build it from scrap and it's totally wrong-headed. its only the question of budget, its not like anime is rocket science, also this show is made by studio deen,, This show won't get any better if it got a bigger or sufficient budget when the script and storytelling is so incompetent. Animation is not rocket science sure, but it's an art form that needs different kind of talents to master. I'm sorry that it might sound rude but thinking money can solve everything feels really like this is what a stereotypical new generation of Chinese youngsters would say, or the close-minded, hypocritical producer who benefited from the economic boom in the 90s and has no idea of what quality animation is. |
| The comedy fails so bad with this, not to mention the animation and their reactions are all over the place. Dropped. |
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raveninthemuddle said: KonW said: its only the question of budget, its not like anime is rocket science, also this show is made by studio deen,, This show won't get any better if it got a bigger or sufficient budget when the script and storytelling is so incompetent. Animation is not rocket science sure, but it's an art form that needs different kind of talents to master. I'm sorry that it might sound rude but thinking money can solve everything feels really like this is what a stereotypical new generation of Chinese youngsters would say, or the close-minded, hypocritical producer who benefited from the economic boom in the 90s and has no idea of what quality animation is. im addressing the problem you said about animation and quality, on the other hand, if you think the other parts that makes up an anime like story,script,etc then its a matter of your personal opinion that i strongly disagree with,,a matter i would not have any intention to discuss with you either, in fact i dont even know how do you managed to review them without even understanding the lines(no subs yet), in short, i agree with the animation is shit tier which i said would greatly improve with some easy budget increase, i even listed a bunch of chinese made animes with very obvious higher quality in animation and everything else than this Reikenzan, not even to mention that Reikenzan its made by Studio Deen, a well known japanese anime maker,, so i really dont see where your point is, in fact, not trying to be rude, i find this conversation is going no where and you seemed to lack the very basic reading comrephension so this will be my last reply to you as i think ive already made my point more than abundantly clear,, have a nice day |
KonW said: im addressing the problem you said about animation and quality, on the other hand, if you think the other parts that makes up an anime like story,script,etc then its a matter of your personal opinion that i strongly disagree with,,a matter i would not have any intention to discuss with you either, in fact i dont even know how do you managed to review them without even understanding the lines(no subs yet), What makes you think I don't know the Chinese language, or do you really think you are the only Chinese here? I thought the use of "we" in my first post is a clear indication of my cultural background, why else would I use "we" for if I'm not part of the culture group? It's just one sentence, how did you miss that? |
raveninthemuddle said: KonW said: im addressing the problem you said about animation and quality, on the other hand, if you think the other parts that makes up an anime like story,script,etc then its a matter of your personal opinion that i strongly disagree with,,a matter i would not have any intention to discuss with you either, in fact i dont even know how do you managed to review them without even understanding the lines(no subs yet), What makes you think I don't know the Chinese language, or do you really think you are the only Chinese here? I thought the use of "we" in my first post is a clear indication of my cultural background, why else would I use "we" for if I'm not part of the culture group? It's just one sentence, how did you miss that? god, and you still dont get the point, facepalm, if you think the story is bad ok, its fine, its your personal opinion, something i have no intention to argue with, what im talking about is the animation quality, which unlike your point, clearly can be improved by some budget increase, as is proved by the other cn made anime i listed. on aonther hand, if you understood the lines&plot,, i really dont see where the "script and storytelling is so incompetent" is coming from, it told the story perfectly well, the animation is poor and low budget but the pace and dialogue is well done, the characters are obviously well presented with characteristics cleanly depicted as is intended by the original novel,,, not even to mention, for the god damn 3rd or 4th time, THE WHOLE EPISODE IS DONE BY STUIDO DEEN A JAPANESE ANIME STUDIO. (now i dont know why i wasted even more time trying to explain to you things i already said and said again, if you still cant understand, i have to say i jsut gave up, have it whatever the way you want, i dont care anymore |
| QUALITY anime of the season. |
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KonW said: it told the story perfectly well, the animation is poor and low budget but the pace and dialogue is well done, the characters are obviously well presented with characteristics cleanly depicted as is intended by the original novel Yep, this is all the evident I need. The fact that someone can say this thing has good storytelling is really beyond comprehension. You're right, there's no point to continue. And by the way, if that's the case, this is one shitty novel. KonW said: not even to mention, for the god damn 3rd or 4th time, THE WHOLE EPISODE IS DONE BY STUIDO DEEN A JAPANESE ANIME STUDIO. So what? How does it matter if this is animated by Studio Deen, why is the fact that it's made by a Japanese animation studio matters? The show does nothing exceptional, and even very bad when you compare it to other works that the same studio done before. It's like they read the script, and they know it's shit, so why spend effort into it when they are preparing two other shows the same season? I'm sorry I just can't see why this is a legitimate reason that this show is good, because it's made by Japanese, for Chinese. |
| The characters are kinda quirky, so I like them. But the disappointing animation quality kills the mood entirely, not that I expected any artistic masterpieces from DEEN. As for a coherent and well-articulated story...well who the hell has that anymore besides the occasional psychological/horror series of the season? |
| Decided to watch the raw than to wait for the subs because it's getting annoying. - The animation is FINE, but it still needs improvement. I hope they're gonna fix this in next episodes. The comedy was pretty.. failed. But the story was portrayed fine, but still needs improvements. Edit: The opening theme is so good damn it! Soraru having High notes than mafu is unexpected lol 2/5. Still needs improvement but i still gotta watch it because of the OP theme, lol |
aerithclodeJan 11, 2016 12:23 AM
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| Kinda funny but still hasn't totally picked my interest. Animation as well is lacking. Needs improvement. Good to hear Tsubasa voicing this main character though. |
| It looks so freaking cheap. The story is cliche, and I can't STAND the "looks like a girl but is a boy" trope. The voice acting is pretty bad, and the pacing is horrendous. Nothing really happened this episode to keep your interest. I like the ED music, that's the only thing I can say is good about the show. |
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| So... when will someone dare to sub this? |
| Ruka desu. |
| gaah this was terrible. Bad: art, characters, story, sound track. I liked nothing except the opening about the series. It was painful almost. 2/10 also here is the review I wrote on here: aka telling people why this is trash http://myanimelist.net/anime/32094/Reikenzan:_Hoshikuzu-tachi_no_Utage/reviews |
| Still no subs, huh? |
delaneysloane said: gaah this was terrible. Bad: art, characters, story, sound track. I liked nothing except the opening about the series. It was painful almost. 2/10 also here is the review I wrote on here: aka telling people why this is trash http://myanimelist.net/anime/32094/Reikenzan:_Hoshikuzu-tachi_no_Utage/reviews Ow the edge, lol. I've never understood why some people take so much pleasure in calling something bad. |
| Jumping in Headfirst - I hear reading it causes immortality. Warning. Reading may not actually cause immortality. |
| The one who call this anime bad is clearly never read the manga version before watching |
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Hidayat246 said: The one who call this anime bad is clearly never read the manga version before watching The hell has that to do with anything? This is a anime thread ya? |
Hidayat246 said: The one who call this anime bad is clearly never read the manga version before watching So? You think everyone who watches an adaptation has read the source material? An adaptation needs to be able to stand on its own, and this one does not. The art is terrible, the pacing is terrible, the animation is terrible. |
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DmonHiro said: Hidayat246 said: The one who call this anime bad is clearly never read the manga version before watching So? You think everyone who watches an adaptation has read the source material? An adaptation needs to be able to stand on its own, and this one does not. The art is terrible, the pacing is terrible, the animation is terrible. There are no terrible ART in anime...exception Code Gayass and several others.... That aside....you said pacing is terrible - what do you mean by that? Is it to slow or to fast? |
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| Why people care that much about art and animation ?! In almost every thread I see people talking abouyt art/animation as if thats the most important thing about anime. What about story, compedy, characters, entertainment ?! Those are more important than visuals ALso, almost all modern anime I've seen have acceptable visuals. I've seen people say that Magi or Akagem ga Kill had bad animation, but I did not notice (or maybe I didn't care). I enjoyed both anime. It is still much better than reading colorless pictures (manga) |
| Underappreciated, oh well, it is chinese, not as good as Rainbow cat and blue rabbit, but it is trying, too bad Deen just didn't gave enough of a shit for it, and at least for once we got away from Japanese cliches (and right into Chinese cliches, but shut up I'm trying to make a point here). And how did we get from the brown haired nice Chinese design to the bad blonde hair Japanese design that looks like Edward from FMA, I blame the anime for following the manga adaptation instead of the novel format. |
ap1001Jan 15, 2016 6:25 AM
| "You had no free will, you chased your vices along the same path as all of the others." - Shikieiki Yamaxanadu, Diamond in the rough |
| CN sub finally out, EN where? Well, it's not that terrible, just mediocre animation with overused dank memes. |
| befriend (v.): To violently attack someone with very dangerous and extremely powerful blasts of magical pink light until your target sees the validity of your viewpoint. |
thepath said: Why people care that much about art and animation ?! In almost every thread I see people talking abouyt art/animation as if thats the most important thing about anime. What about story, compedy, characters, entertainment ?! Those are more important than visuals Story, compedy, characters, entertainment are all elements that can also be found in books. Animation and art are a stable of anime, which, by the way, is short for ANIMATION. What exactly do you think it's named for? Sountracks? |
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DmonHiro said: Hidayat246 said: The one who call this anime bad is clearly never read the manga version before watching So? You think everyone who watches an adaptation has read the source material? An adaptation needs to be able to stand on its own, and this one does not. The art is terrible, the pacing is terrible, the animation is terrible. That why i say EVERYONE WHO CALL THIS ANIME BAD VERY MUCH NEVER READ or REFUSE TO READ THE MANGA VERSION THAT INCLUDING YOU I will never call this one bad since the animation quality and pace story almost same with manga version |
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Hidayat246 said: I will never call this one bad since the animation quality and pace story almost same with manga version If you're saying that the manga has the same art and the same pacing, then the manga is also bad. Also... manga can't HAVE animation quality. It's impossible. I'm guessing English is not your first language. |
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| Ewww the animation. Sasuga DEEN. Better than what I thought. |
thepath said: it kinda failed everything, and yes animation and art is important its a fucking anime not a fucking bookWhy people care that much about art and animation ?! In almost every thread I see people talking abouyt art/animation as if thats the most important thing about anime. What about story, compedy, characters, entertainment ?! Those are more important than visuals ALso, almost all modern anime I've seen have acceptable visuals. I've seen people say that Magi or Akagem ga Kill had bad animation, but I did not notice (or maybe I didn't care). I enjoyed both anime. It is still much better than reading colorless pictures (manga) |
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| Xianxia anime? lol |
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| Ouchuu looks like a girl and sound like a girl, can't get used to him. Different Seiyuu would be better. Also the main character looks like Tsunade from Naruto to me, so its also feels strange watching him. |
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| Saw it when a fansub was released. Holy hell, the subtitles were awful, to the point where it was hard to understand what they were even saying at times. Regardless, this was fairly meh. The humour wasn't that funny at all. |
 It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
| When looking at cover...was like what's this. Watch it for a few mins and damn it's from that one Chinese Xiaxia novel. Well, this is going to be interesting since most Xiaxia novel are good. |
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| Cue the generic Chinese fantasy drama, lmao. XD raveninthemuddle said: I wonder how many years it would take before many would take Chinese animation seriously, we had the chance in the 60s or earlier, but now we have to build it from scrap and it's totally wrong-headed. Qin's Moon, S3+ yo. China does have some good animated series, except they're exclusively domestic and probably will never get licensed outside of the country (like most everything produced in mainland China). Nobody even knows about them so you can't find them in English on Google, and in fact MAL only has a very small portion of Chinese series listed thanks only to a diligent club. Also, why would China need to develop an industry meant primary for youth/children when they can mooch profits off (bootleg) existing anime series in Japan? China wouldn't be able to compete with the popularity of Japan's anime industry either. (They're developing their economy, so the entertainment industry is obviously not a priority, especially this niche.) |
MirorinJan 18, 2016 7:17 PM
StevePen387 said: HERES THE DEAL: YOU! are the one who first brought up the animation quality was shit, Go re-read those posts, it's KonW FIRST BROUGHT UP the shitty animation first, here's the quote "in short, i agree with the animation is shit tier", which I never said the animation is bad/awful or anything like that untill KonW brought up that it's animated by Studio Denn with dubious intention, before that what I said was "the script and storytelling is so incompetent", and KonW is the one said bigger budget, implying better animation/arts would help the show, which I strongly disagreeing with. StevePen387 said: and you made the assumption this was a Chinese anime. when this was Japanese made Even though you thought this was a Chinese made anime Once you are told it is not a Chinese animation He reminded you that this isn't a Chinese animation IT IS A CHINESE ANIMATION. Did you even look it up before you watched it? Do you even understand the difference between PRODUCED and MADE? It's a Chinese source material, it is produced by Chinese, who hired a Japanese studio to draw the animation for them, it has two languages available, but it's the Chinese who's calling the shoots, so it's a CHINESE ANIMATION, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ANIMATION QUALITY. Got it? StevePen387 said: YOU again implied he was a "Chinese youngster" for thinking a higher budget would matter, AGAIN implying that you thought this was a Chinese produced anime, and AGAIN implying you believed KonK was just a "Chinese youngster" That was never my intention. All I try to say it's that it's navie for KonW to say bigger budget would help the show when the story, which is the foundation for the arts and animation to build on, is written with such incompetency and lack of cohesion, which happened to sound like the many Chinese teenagers that I know of who know nothing about the basic of storytelling, who just want to see beautiful arts and animation, who is so narrow-minded and short-sighted, and properly never saw a foreign production that is actually good. So if it made you think I have the prejudice against you, I'm sorry, the wording is strong but my point still stand. Budget matters little in this Chinese animation. StevePen387 said: I felt the need to write this to explain this argument to everyone who does not even understand why you are arguing with KonK, as well to explain it to you because you still didn't seem to get it. That isn't so difficult to understand. I first implied that the show isn't impressive. Then KnoW said that all it needed is a bigger budget, which I disagree and accompanied with some strong words which he said the script is fine and it's just a matter of opinion and he also said "I dont even know how do you managed to review them without even understanding the lines(no subs yet), which I pointed out he would have known I know the language thus understand the story pretty well if he just paid attention to what I had posted. And then he keep bringing up that I missed the point somehow. You know it's already clear that it isn't worth continuing on because we have a totally different understanding of what good storytelling is, he thinks being original, faithful to the source material (which I don't know) and not doing what other's doing is considered good, but how about it actually doing something good? With clear, impressive character introductions, setting up the tone without unnecessary slap-stick moments, dialogue that actually match the time period and reflect characters' personalities and not over-saturated with tiring, irritating Chinese Internet memes, and expositions that are adequately blended into the story that don't yell "It's exposition time!", here I made my point, but sadly KnoW is being evasive saying that "its your personal opinion", fine, what isn't a personal opinion? And you know what, I probably have read enough similar materials to know that even the premise and the execution isn't that original when you compared to to its other competitors in the same field, so it really is a matter of opinion just like KnoW said, and it was abundantly clear. StevePen387 said: Chinese people as a whole even when this was Japanese made to begin with and no reason to attack or insult Chinese people/anime to begin with. I CAN because I'm Chinese. Deal with that. We Chinese secretly love insulting each other. StevePen387 said: making fun of Deen, saying "Well if you know anything Deen sucks based on past anime etc. etc.", Oh my god you and KnoW it's like two different kind of beasts, KnoW is only being unaware of what I said but you completely made up those words and shove them down my throat. First said I brought up the bad animation and now accusing me saying Studio Deen is bad. First, Studio Deen's first and only appearance in my post is the one after KonW's third response to my previous posts, and I quote my own words "So what? How does it matter if this is animated by Studio Deen", " The show does nothing exceptional, and even very bad when you compare it to other works that the same studio done before", which is a response to KonW's dubious attempt to convince me that because it's Studio Deen so I should take that into account because? It could have been animated by MADHOUSE or Kyoani and I would still ask the same question. Second, I rarely watched anything made by Studio Deen or being aware of it usually and don't have a strong impression so I don't have a bias towards the studio, and I can't say and I NEVER SAID IT IS A BAD ANIME STUDIO, the animation of this particular show is bad, KnoW thinks that also, which I'M NOT THE ONE WHO FIRST MADE THIS POINT. Third, if it's all about the show is a not a Chinese animation, then I already made my statements. StevePen387 said: implying yet again that KonK and anyone who thinks Deen doesn't suck is a fool or uninformed anyone who doesn't know this is stupid SERIOUSLY, GO TO HELL. I have no patient to talk to someone who would just twist my words so horrendously. I don't know it's because you are a horrible person or just someone who is really bad at reading, or thinking, who can't stop overusing the word "implying" when the fact is right in front of your eyes. StevePen387 said: You also went on to imply that this anime story sucks NO, I do think the story of this particular animation is bad. You know it and you said it. Why use the word "imply" again? You just can't stop, can you? StevePen387 said: stating that because the story sucks Deen would not spend much effort on this anime with their other 2 anime in the works. I'm just speculating, one doesn't stop himself from thinking why is there a huge difference in animation quality between all those anime/animation, and why specifically this one? StevePen387 said: First you say that all Studio Deen anime has shit quality So you contradict yourself by saying at first all Deen anime have bad quality Again, only this one, not ALL. *SIGH* StevePen387 said: why do I, KonK(And many others) believe the story is decent and definitely not terrible like you say? Because it's your personal opinions, just like mine is mine, if you really think that way and don't want to be challenged then so be it. StevePen387 said: why does it rate above 7?(Which I see as the cut-off point for slightly above average in terms of Japanese full length anime-24 mins) You think using the MAL score that vaguely reflects any kind of dubious consensus of those watched the show and somehow become a fair, reasonable argument against my statements and add some credibility, don't you? You know what, just like you think 7 is the cut-off point is your personal opinion, MAL score means nothing to me. And the funniest thing is, at this point you still think I think all anime made by Studio Deen sucks, two whole paragraphs constructed on a prejudice, false observation or assumption. Hilarious. StevePen387 said: KonK responded by saying its just budget and showed you some high quality Chinese animation just to inform you that Chinese animation can still be high quality. Do you really want to know why I didn't address those two examples KnoW provided? Because one of them, just like many independently made Chinese animation, is nothing stellar just like the rest of them, and the other one seems like having a bigger budget, is till unpleasant to look at, I don't think I have to bring the best animation quality from all over the world to shadow their existence, but KonW's arguments are either inadequate or weak. But I do appreciate the one about Jiang Ziya, it is uniquely Chinese and I would like to watch it when it released. StevePen387 said: you seem to get nasty and continue to be insulting, Confirmed. Not agreeing with you=insulting. Just another day on MAL. Maybe next time you should start trying to read my posts instead of "implying" everything. |
raveninthemuddleJan 18, 2016 11:32 PM
Mirorin said: raveninthemuddle said: I wonder how many years it would take before many would take Chinese animation seriously, we had the chance in the 60s or earlier, but now we have to build it from scrap and it's totally wrong-headed. Qin's Moon, S3+ yo. China does have some good animated series, except they're exclusively domestic and probably will never get licensed outside of the country (like most everything produced in mainland China). Nobody even knows about them so you can't find them in English on Google, and in fact MAL only has a very small portion of Chinese series listed thanks only to a diligent club. Also, why would China need to develop an industry meant primary for youth/children when they can mooch profits off (bootleg) existing anime series in Japan? China wouldn't be able to compete with the popularity of Japan's anime industry either. (They're developing their economy, so the entertainment industry is obviously not a priority, especially this niche.) We have been "expanding" and "developing" our own animation industry since the beginning of this century under a heavy censorship and protection and also supported by the Chinese government, we have been making more animations than the Japanese made in a single year. It's not a problem of our economic availability or desire to gain some reputation in the international animation market, it's the fact that it's already a huge industry (at least by numbers), but not achieving more than what we'd already done 50 to 40 years ago. |
raveninthemuddleJan 18, 2016 8:38 PM
| fail comedy thats gonna turn toward more action later? |
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Well imo the reason for the lack of progress is likely because there's a lack of an international market. Of course China has a large population; but animated Chinese series are not an export (which runs its economy)... keeping a industry domestic will not allow it to expand. No supply without demand, after all. I would love to see more Chinese series, except that they're completely inaccessible. :( Also, the creativity is rather lacking when it's domestic. This series has already started off rather generically. :O |
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