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Oct 25, 2015 1:24 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Quite a talky episode...

We get a bit of info dump on the way their world is divided with the various factions and alliances. Also a nice way of info dumping the timeline. The episode felt kinda funny, mainly because of Aina working on the corn field. Definitely not something I'd expect from her lol



Not much action but whatever. I consider this more as a buildup and character focus especially with Mikazuki and Aina.
 
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Oct 25, 2015 3:10 AM

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definitely saving budgets for the next eposide
 
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Oct 25, 2015 4:03 AM
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Pretty good episode for information. Mikazuki showing a softer side but also showing his insane side too given how he started choking that dude. Next episode's gonna be bloodshed. Looks like we're gonna see some space battles too.

Todo's a bastard.
 
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Oct 25, 2015 4:18 AM
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One of the things that makes Iron-Blooded Orphans different from the rest up to this point is that the usual Princess - Pilot dynamic is reversed: in traditional Gundam shows with said dynamic, the pilot is ignorant of the world's affairs or has a distorted subjective view of it, and the princess is the one who slowly shapes him through their interactions, whether it be Heero Yuy - Relena, Kira - Lacus, Setsuna - Marina, Banagher - Audrey etc.

In Mika and Kudelia's case though, it's Kudelia who's slowly learning more about the world as it's explained via Mika, and the best thing is that Mika does it without being condescending or being arrogant on his part: he has none of the self-righteousness that the other "princess" characters may have had the situation been reversed, he just lays it out cleanly and plainly. And here, where he shows her exactly why her worries aren't quite as grand as it seems, it's nice to see that beneath that killer veneer, Mika actually is quite thoughtful.

It's also nice to confirm that Mika did know that Atra made him that bracelet, and that he's thankful for it. Out of all the "stoic" Gundam leads we've had so far, Mika so far is hands down the best of them in terms of characterization: he doesn't angst needlessly, has a good head on his shoulders, and isn't afraid to show kindness when necessary, but at the same time he's also the most pragmatically brutal of the stoic leads. Sorry Setsuna, but there are people more Gundam than you now =P
 
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Episode went by in a flash yet again despite not much action and the budget was clearly on a save mode. Some nice talk between Aina and Mikazuki, then the interesting confrontation between the mysterious men dressed in blue and Mikazuki. A pretty hype moment towards the end, now they have the classic Gundam spaceship and their journey towards Earth (I think that's their plan) shall begin!

We got some information about the geopolitics of Earth in this episode too. North and South Americas are a single coalition, same with Africa and EU. Oceania is a one final coalition in the east.

I'm really liking Mikazuki's character now. He's clearly worthy of piloting a Gundam, being an elite child soldier, but also lacks that boring emotionless aspect of so many "emo" mech pilots as shown when he had his talk with Aina and even bothered to smile, even if just briefly.
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Oct 25, 2015 4:48 AM
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Mikazuki is an interesting main character. Brutal but kind at the same time.
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This episode reminded me of Gundam 00


Did not expect we would see something like this so soon. No hesitation on subduing the purple hair dude. More world building this episode showing the economy on Mars. Hopefully that traitor guy would not succeed.

Can't wait to see the Barbatos with that new blue shoulder armor and in space.
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Oct 25, 2015 5:07 AM

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Even if this episode don't have battle was tense in some way...
 
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Oct 25, 2015 5:15 AM

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Damn, Mika needs to calm down. It's scary how his mood can change so quickly.


I feel like this Hitler look-alike is gonna die soon.

 
Oct 25, 2015 5:19 AM
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LOL, I forgive them though because this really is a decent story with some good characterizations. Mikazuki is one of the best Gundam leads in ages.

Poor Atra, having a busty, long haired blonde princess show up as your competition is never a good thing
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Oct 25, 2015 5:28 AM

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Damn it I hope this Todo guy will be the first one to die in the upcoming battle.
No Barbatos this week but overall the episode is still enjoyable.
 
Oct 25, 2015 5:40 AM

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To be fair, its common do this when a character is far away...
 
Oct 25, 2015 5:59 AM

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Awesome it looks like next episode we head into space! This episode put the final pieces together in setting up the story. We get to see just how destitute the situation is on Mars, if the princess accurately said the fair price they are getting absurdly ripped off. No wonder there is independence movement.

I am totally in love with the opening and endings.

With the pacing would not surprise me if the story arc spans over too a second season.
 
Oct 25, 2015 6:06 AM

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Really liked this episode even though there wasn't any action going on I still felt an uneasy atmosphere and that's why it's a nice buildup ep. And damn how mika attacked that shuu look alike, I like brutal mc's
 
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The one mistake that they made was not accompanying todo while he was conducting negotiations. It could be their naivety regarding the business side of running their organization I suppose. I really liked that they and Gjallahorn crossed paths, it was a pretty intense little moment and you could see Fareed was just analyzing them like crazy.

On a side note did anyone else notice how much the princess towers over mika? For that reason alone I don't think their relationship will develop into anything but close friends.
 
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Those Earth factions remind me of 00's (Union, AEU & HRL). So does Badiun & Fareed to 00's Billy & Graham. 00 vibes all over the place.
 
Oct 25, 2015 6:11 AM

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Mika is interesting, the two guys that investigated, don't know what to think about them. Todo is an asshole though, he better die horribly.
 
Oct 25, 2015 6:23 AM
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fucking Todo i hope he dies fast
 
Oct 25, 2015 6:28 AM

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Hahaha, man, that Todo guy is acting really stupid. I don't know if he understands, but Mika will waste him in a heartbeat. I really liked that episode. Mika being a beast again. So far I can't understand if Fareed is a good guy or not. This anime keeps getting better and better.
 
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My god for an episode filled with exposition this was so freaking good lol

I FUCKING LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE THIS FAREED GUY AND HIS FRIEND HNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

This episode made me love Mikazuki anymore and for anyone that hated him, I don't see how you couldn't like him especially in this episode....They showcased him, the other dude from the beginning that was training with Mika, Fareed (Man this guy is my new hero on the antagonists' side) and Aina so damn well

Todo is a piece of shit, I knew that he was going to be shady as fuck -_- I hope he dies
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Oct 25, 2015 6:43 AM
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Hahaha, man, that Todo guy is acting really stupid. I don't know if he understands, but Mika will waste him in a heartbeat. I really liked that episode. Mika being a beast again. So far I can't understand if Fareed is a good guy or not. This anime keeps getting better and better.


Generally there's no good and bad guys in Gundam, just people fighting for their side. The villains are normally commanders, so if anyone is a villain for now it's the commander for the mars Gjallarhorn branch.
 
Oct 25, 2015 6:45 AM

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Those Earth factions remind me of 00's (Union, AEU & HRL). So does Badiun & Fareed to 00's Billy & Graham. 00 vibes all over the place.


Yup, same here. Although I am a bit baffled by Canada/Russia union.

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I'm so glad someone already made this gif. Far-away models like this are actually very common in animation (you can't have your background characters as detailed as the foreground, it would look cluttered), good thing they made Atra's so adorable.

Why do the ladies keep blushing around Mika though? I'm a bit tired of the "blushing whenever your crush says anything to you" trope.

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It's also nice to confirm that Mika did know that Atra made him that bracelet, and that he's thankful for it. Out of all the "stoic" Gundam leads we've had so far, Mika so far is hands down the best of them in terms of characterization: he doesn't angst needlessly, has a good head on his shoulders, and isn't afraid to show kindness when necessary, but at the same time he's also the most pragmatically brutal of the stoic leads.


Yup, I'm really enjoying Mika's character. He's not a stock emo protagonist and acts refreshingly normal around people he knows.

I'm wondering about his sudden aggression. Biscuit's grandma implied it may be not something he can truly control, and his eyes were animated in a way that just screams "not himself". Is it the system's fault, or maybe foreshadowing of something else?...
 
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Well we get a calm episode, although Mcgillis and Mika finally meet.
Funny thing is, as me and my bro were watching this ep I was saying how the char clone and Mika haven't even met yet and now here they are.

Space battle next ep!
"Fortress Maximus has come himself. Okay! Then I shall get Fortress Maximus to fight me, huh huh huh!"

 
Oct 25, 2015 6:59 AM
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I'm wondering about his sudden aggression. Biscuit's grandma implied it may be not something he can truly control, and his eyes were animated in a way that just screams "not himself". Is it the system's fault, or maybe foreshadowing of something else?...


I think it's just Mika having a very short fuse when it comes to seeing those he cares about get hurt.

Which is actually telling of his character: we've seen him angry at Gjallarhorn when they were under attack, and we've seen him displeased at being patronized. But to see him actually become mighty pissed off to the point of madness just because he thought Cookie and Cracker had been hurt says a whole lot more about what he thinks about those two.
 
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SayuriUliana said:
Reite said:
I'm wondering about his sudden aggression. Biscuit's grandma implied it may be not something he can truly control, and his eyes were animated in a way that just screams "not himself". Is it the system's fault, or maybe foreshadowing of something else?...


I think it's just Mika having a very short fuse when it comes to seeing those he cares about get hurt.

Which is actually telling of his character: we've seen him angry at Gjallarhorn when they were under attack, and we've seen him displeased at being patronized. But to see him actually become mighty pissed off to the point of madness just because he thought Cookie and Cracker had been hurt says a whole lot more about what he thinks about those two.


The girls getting hurt was surely the trigger here, but notice how Mika didn' react to anything, even Cookie and Cracker's explanation, until he was touched by Sakura-chan. And how he acted a bit confused after this.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seems to hint at something unnatural.
 
Oct 25, 2015 7:12 AM

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I think it's just Mika having a very short fuse when it comes to seeing those he cares about get hurt.


This
 
Oct 25, 2015 7:22 AM

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At least she still has a face when she is far away, unlike some other show I know. *cough* Noragami Aragoto *cough*
 
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It's nice to see Mika actually has character. His conversation with Kudelia was nice. Some people were comparing him to Inaho's robot like nature. He has more emotions than that and this ep showed that. Still Brutal as usual almost killing Galileo.

WTF tho, Calling the old lady Sakura-chan O_o That's a first in my entire anime watching life lol

Fareed is seeming awesome. Loving his character a lot He's definitely gonna be the masked antagonist in S2 isn't he :P

Atra's really cute but KudeliaxMika ship <3

Big Belly guy is up to no good <_< Hope he gets REKT. And Nobliss isn't the guy from the OP. He seems shady AF to add. Not looking good. Can't wait for space battles tho. Gonna be good.

Quite a few derps this ep :/

PS...I read that part during minute 12 or so. It has quite a lot of nice info about the history of that world
 
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Why does this look so dirty ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
Oct 25, 2015 7:44 AM

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Being on Mars is suffering, the price for corn just sucks and worse for human debris.

I also get the feeling we'll see those two inspectors back again later on but in battle.


 
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This episode reminded me of Gundam 00


Did not expect we would see something like this so soon. No hesitation on subduing the purple hair dude.

Yeah I feel the same. Also, too bad Mika didn't snap his neck this time, Sakura-chan's snapping him out of his berserk mode. Perhaps next time...
Lol, they're giving us MikaxAtra and MikaxKudelia ship tease so much this eps. I'm rooting for Atra XD Though she seems like the kind of character that has to die to make Mika snaps and goes all berserk.

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Why does this look so dirty ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

And he even has a nine-year-old fiancee waiting~
 
Oct 25, 2015 8:24 AM
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Enjoyable episode, even with all the exposition. Looks like we're gonna be getting into space next week. Looking forward to that.
 
Oct 25, 2015 8:41 AM

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Nice episode, enjoyed it a lot. Mikazuki didn't waste any time choking that guy. lol
 
Oct 25, 2015 9:02 AM

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I'll remind you how terrifying adults can be.

This is really great, even without the action :)
 
Oct 25, 2015 10:12 AM

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Damn, Mika needs to calm down. It's scary how his mood can change so quickly.


I feel like this Hitler look-alike is gonna die soon.


probably by suicide. Would fit XD

I really like this series so far. It will probably be my favorite Gundam right after 00.
And the OST is amazing.
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Oct 25, 2015 10:32 AM

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Another great episode, if a little slow. We got some nice info about the political and economic realities of the world, as well as some splendid character interaction between Mikazuki and Kudelia. We also got to see more of Gjallarhorn. I'm liking Fareed already, and it was great to see Mikazuki flip out and nearly strangle the other guy. Keep being a badass, Mika.

From the looks of the preview I have a feeling we are in for some excitement and action next week, hopefully with better animation than this episode (I suspect they were saving money with this one, but still).

Anyway, this is probably the show I'm most excited about watching every week, and every episode leaves me wanting more.
 
Oct 25, 2015 11:31 AM

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Mikazuki is a savage
Lead me out of the dark,bishounen space Jesus.
 
Oct 25, 2015 12:00 PM

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Good tension at the cornfield especially with Fareed's prying eyes

 
Oct 25, 2015 12:16 PM

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Mika needs to learn how to calm down.
 
Oct 25, 2015 12:20 PM

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I knew Hitler's gonna sell the kids but didn't know that bastard would act so fast.

Fareed looks like a genuine masked man in the making. Let's see... blond, has a side kick in Bauduin, voiced by Sakurai Takahiro, has a 9 year old for fiancee... oops!

This episode had a cut in budget. I don't mind though as long as we get epic mobile suit actions later on (possibly in the next episode going by the preview)

On other note, thanks to Fareed, now we have chocolate cookies and chocolate crackers. :P

 
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Soooo did Australia suffer from a colony drop in this universe too...?
 
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This show is criminally underrated here.
 
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In case anyone left the text fly by, we now know that this timeline is called P.D. and have the initial history for it:

P.D. said:

P.D.0001 - The nations of Earth and Mars accept the "Vingó Proclamation" issued by Gjallarhorn. The interplanetary war that has spread destruction through the Earth Sphere and the Outer Sphere comes to an end. This conflict, which has produced more casualties than any in history, is described in the proclamation as the "Calamity War" and is thereafter known by that name.

With the cooperation of Gjallarhorn, Earth is organized into four economic blocs in order to reconstruct the devastated Earth Sphere.

These are the African Union, the Oceanian Federation, SAU, and Arbrau. Earth begins its post-war recovery under this new world order.


P.D.0002 - At the "Malta Conference", the four economic blocs conclude a treaty to divide and rule Mars. At their request, Gjallarhorn dispatches a large force to recreate the Martian governmental structure from scratch.


P.D.0003 - Gjallarhorn redraws Mars's national borders, and each city is placed under the control of one of Earth's economic blocs. The four economic blocs begin wholeheartedly interfering in Martian affairs, and Mars enters a lengthy colonial period.


P.D.0205 - Arbrau's government grants limited autonomy to its Martian territories.


P.D.0208 - The Oceanian Federation also recognizes the autonomy of its Martian territories.


P.D.0236 - Last of all, the African Union also recognizes Martian autonomy. However, as Mars remains subject to harsh economic agreements, it is in fact entering an era of puppet governments.


P.D.0312 - On Mars, a movement begins to protest economic disparities with Earth.


P.D.0314 - In her speech at the "Noachi July Assembly", Kudelia Aina Bernstein calls for economic independence from Earth, and cooperative movements emerge in every city.


I grabbed the political map too in case anyone wants it for reference:


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Other than that delicious dose of worldbuilding (above) for those interested, this series continues to deliver on the character front. If anyone was doubting it before (Jizzy, if you see this, I'm looking at you), I think now it's quite clear that Mika isn't an emotionless character. His callousness and brutality is explained by his background, but he's clearly shown kindness and thoughtfulness as well. Although I wouldn't consider it romantic in nature, I like his developing relationship with Kudelia.

Fareed and Bauduin seem like promising antagonists.

We got a lot of good setup in this episode. I'm stoked that we're headed to space so early on.
 
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that was a damn good episode
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Let me get this out of the way.
1. The internet is already having a shipping war between mika and aina or mika and atra.
2. Just because you have the same blood as your older sisters (Anohana and Ano de Natsu) doesn't mean anything iron blood.
3. My man Mika is strong as hell when he's mad
4. The opening is great
5. Todo has a death flag hanging over his head
6. Episode was pretty chill the whole time getting everyone used to the world instead of action
7. Quality dipped to a noticeable amount of level
8. Finally, if cookie, cracker, and atra gets on the ship during the mission I swear to all things that is holy they better not be another euerka seven trio

♪All his life has been, a roller coaster ride of dream
No time for looking back, forgetting who or what
His song is all that he leaves behind,
On silent nights I hear him still, whistling a tune I know so well
Gun in hand, rose in another, He's Lupin the 3rd♪

 
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8. Finally, if cookie, cracker, and atra gets on the ship during the mission I swear to all things that is holy they better not be another euerka seven trio

I don't care about Atra much at the moment, but Cookie and Cracker are cute. I like the lighter atmosphere they bring to the episodes.
 
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Barion-Zara said:


Why does this look so dirty ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

And he even has a nine-year-old fiancee waiting~


Almost forgot about that, and here I was thinking why he would so casually bring a bag of candy with him on duty.
 
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Soooo did Australia suffer from a colony drop in this universe too...?


Lol, nice catch, they probably did since the Earth was devastated, so an artificial foreign object falling on Earth is not that surprising. I guess it's a little nod to the original granddaddy.
 
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And he even has a nine-year-old fiancee waiting~


Almost forgot about that, and here I was thinking why he would so casually bring a bag of candy with him on duty.


I figured he must moonlight as a child kidnapper.
 
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