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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Well it was an interesting episode. We got a lot of Millio and also the Kuu-sama are really taking over now. However, I'm also glad to see some taking a stand against them. Rui becoming more relevant this episode. And anyways, I thought was one of the more thrilling episodes for this season.  GATCHAMANNNNNNNN The action picked up again. |
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| That good things are getting in place defeating these Kuu, he swore at the beginning that that orange-haired guy (forgot his name) was going to be evil but he has not done anything yet. |
| I swear to god that Gatcha has been one of the only series in this season that hasn't bored the hell out of me. Aaa Rui's back in action!! Seeing all them fighting together makes me so happy for some reason. I'm kinda curious what will Suzuki's next move be. |
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| They're finally going against those monsters now, and I'm curious to how they'll deal with them for good. Decent episode. |
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| Finally they're doing something about this whole mess. I know that we're supposed to like Tsubasa now because she's "redeeming" herself. I still don't like her, or Gel. Still, looking forward to next ep. |
| Rizumu is the best. Rui's obsession with crowds is stupid to begin with, and I so don't Rizumu losing to Rui... |
| ったく、嫌な世の中だよ。 |
| Come one kuu sama :( Combine into one big being and attack :( Rui will give crowds to everyone again, who will turn on the gatchaman thanks to vape guy but millione will tell everyone something and everyone will fight for themselves. |
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| This episode reminded me why I love this show |
Takuan_Soho said: I think you are missing the point there. You're thinking wrong. They might not be villains in the traditional sense (and note also that I didn't use that word to describe them, you did) but they -are- directly responsible for the situation, and they have been frustratingly annoying the entire season. They have plenty to redeem themselves about. Tsubasa's blind idealism and Gel's extreme naiveté. Edit: Yuru-Jii stealing the show. |
| So they start to take on the Kuu-sama. Tsubasa is still my most disliked character of this season. |
| Takuan_Soho and trannon1, you both seem to think that being critical of Tsubasa and Gel excludes being critical of the common masses. Once again, I never said they were villains. Just horribly misguided, and willfully ignorant. You say that the masses are to blame because they passed off their responsibility (a responsibility that they were first given by Gel, mind you), Tsubasa is guilty of the exact same thing. She explicitly said she didn't understand "difficult things" and thought it was better not to. Gel pretty much imposed himself on a world that he in-arguably can't understand on a very fundamental level. Whether he did it intentionally or not is really not a factor when considering the results. You say that the masses didn't stop to consider what they were doing. Neither did Gel or Tsubasa. I'm not laying all the blame on them, nor am I removing all blame from the masses. Those are words you're putting in my mouth. All I said from the start was that Tsubasa is going to have her "redemption" moment (which is completely true because she and everyone else knows she fucked up and now she's going to help make things "right"), and that I still don't like her and Gel's characters, a completely subjective opinion. Edit: Also, if Gel is not to blame because he simply tried to do what the masses wanted, who is really making the "We were only following orders" argument here? |
LuZekeSep 12, 2015 5:43 PM
| kuu just admitted his wrong doing on tv is he really that naive?! |
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| Lol she said something aside from "I'm gloomy" You know, I sort of wish Joe/Jou and mister Ape would have had conversations in this show, the dude's a heel/villain version of Joe with the added annoyance of always saying the words ape so much it's annoying. That one of the things I'm sad the show missed, as they instead both mostly focused on both having reservations about how ready people are for Crowds, with mister Ape being more extreme and unwilling to even consider it I think it's a bit of a jump to blame this all on the masses squarely alone, or even more than half of it. They voted for Gel to decide things, they didn't vote for him to create monsters out their subconscious and have them kill or get rid of people, and Gel didn't decide to make those creatures. I personally think that this whole Kuu thing was tiny bit of a cop out to remove blame from all parties since it was partly a fluke that those creatures came to be and everyone was just riding the atmosphere being blissfully ignorant. Considering how this subconscious vs will thing is going, it'll probably, or already is, be portrayed that this is what happens when there are no brains at the wheel-this eliminating a lot of blame for Gel and the masses- as the masses "will" will be much better with Crowds now probably. My only other complaint aside from not enough Joe vs the annoying Ape dude is still how much this anime goes to ignore the bad intent of people or how people give in to use things incorrectly for various reasons and general mismatched hatred. Both with these Kuu things and Crowds there wasn't any display of criminals or fanatics who wanted to purposely orchestrated plots to gain power, harm others, steal or just about anything. Mr Ape would be a much more interesting villain if there were actual displays of how badly humans would abuse things, rather than him being on a crazed vendetta against Crowds because of what people might do, despite the fact that they already would before and during his campaign to stop Crowds be doing the things he thinks they might in the future. Some people do have malicious will. Still great and one of my fav anime this season. |
| Jaywalker. |
| social mood or what they call atmosphere is really dangerous and can bring ignorance, i mean i have been a victim of peer pressure or social influence too in the past and it made me blind and robotic just following the crowd without much thinking X the great AI on this anime summarizes the main concept of this sequel so well, really an Insight about the Crowds or Society |
| This is the best episode i have ever seen from the series. The action was very cool like always and GATCHA!!!! |
YizelTroSep 13, 2015 3:51 AM
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banpreiomaster said: Tsubasa can transform into Matsukaze that looks like Jun's motorcycle from old-school Gatcha. Is it possible that every Gatcha can transform to vehicles? Or is it only for Tsubasa (also Panda)? I wonder if next season of Crowds will include "Gatchaspartan" and "Hyper Shoot"... next season ? you mean, there will be third season of Gatchaman Crowds? |
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| It's easy to think that Gel & Tsubasa shouldn't be blamed for the current situation because they seem so benevolent. However, it's a fact that they caused the current situation. Gel would be completely blameless if he was an actual tool. But he is a sentient being with a certain degree of intelligence. His purpose in visiting worlds in not to create peace, but solely to unite individuals in societies. This might create peace in societies with simple intelligence, but clearly will not work for humans without having to eliminate minorities, this is precisely why the Kuus came into existence. But apparently, that's okay according to Gel. It's okay to kill those who are different, regardless of whether they are good people or not. As long as mob mentality is fine with it, HE'S fine with it. Any living thing that is supposedly "good" or intelligent would be alarmed at such a notion, but not Gel, he ain't doin sh*t about it. He imposes a system of "becoming one" without taking responsibility for the consequences. He creates a mindless system of forcible uniformity and integration. In other words, he creates a society like that of cancer. Shirking responsibility via passivity may not necessarily be evil. But if he is too stupid to understand the implications of his actions and influence he should not be in a position of power. As for Tsubasa. I think people just feel cheated that they got such a simple, stupid, air-headed new character with the most predictable development ever. She's such a teenager. The world revolves around what SHE thinks is right. She is so egoistic to think that everyone can actually "become one" despite the fact that people like Gramps and Hajime have been telling her otherwise. To think that people are so simple as to inevitably bend to her will and happily act the same way as everybody else. To not even attempt to think otherwise, that's her problem. But to admit fault and attempt to correct herself is a good thing. |
| My old Japan blog which I'm never going to finish: https://ramenshojo.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/day-6-nakano-broadway-harmonica-street-zauo-restaurant/ |
| Its great to see the tide finally turn against Gelsadra, and the Gatchaman are no longer divided. |
~my listTakuan_Soho said: ... Yep yep everyone is a metaphor and no-one is to blame.. I'm sure people were laying into Gel and Tsubasa waaay before the sh*t hit the fan. |
| My old Japan blog which I'm never going to finish: https://ramenshojo.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/day-6-nakano-broadway-harmonica-street-zauo-restaurant/ |
| Yeah, no superpowers for YOU, Humanity! -__- X is way too self-aware for an AI. He's going to be the next villain, mark my words LOL |
| Let's slash, stab, shoot and blow up the kuus without considering the possibility that the people they ate might still be in them. Seems legit. As for Tsubasa, she's a fool who I could care less about. Same with the Millione Show and everyone else who went with the flow and were alright with the kuus eating people who opposed the atmosphere. Apparently when a little girl is about to get eaten THEN it's a different story but when a stranger, neighbor or one of your schoolmates gets eaten it means they deserved it. |
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Avenger-senpai said: Let's slash, stab, shoot and blow up the kuus without considering the possibility that the people they ate might still be in them. Seems legit. . I thopught the same but considering that those things are everywhere, if you don't kill them quick you're going to have more peoples swallowed than peoples living there, so well, it's a case of sacrificing few to save many. May not be very heroic but that's a logical and understandable choice. Those things are starting to run amok, that's not the time to hesitate and be overwhelmed. |
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| oh yes, the gatchaman are finally stopping this madness! |
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Takuan_Soho said: ramenshoujo said: Yep yep everyone is a metaphor and no-one is to blame.. Rather than misrepresent what someone said that drastically, why not show basic human grace and resign from the field? Okay my bad, I jest. Just did not agree with your usage of the word metaphor. That aside, I would edit your blame list to have Joe & the masses at the top, Gel next, then Tsubasa & Mileon on the same level. Because none of this could have realistically happened without Joe, and Tsubasa & Mileon both fanned the flames so to speak. The former by encouraging Gel through moral support and the other by capitalizing on sensationalism. I think the visible support of humans, especially a Gatchaman helped Gels public image drastically. About the Kuus eating people. Supposing then that the Gatchaman don't save them, I don't see how they will be released anytime soon. And how long can humans last without food and water? They're as good as dead for all we know. Another thing that just come to mind is that why does Hajime think that Gel needs protecting anyway? Given that OD told her they will have a problem dealing with him. Unless of course, Hajime believes that he might be caught off-guard because he is so stupid, or willingly allow himself to be swallowed if that's what the "atmosphere" calls for. |
| My old Japan blog which I'm never going to finish: https://ramenshojo.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/day-6-nakano-broadway-harmonica-street-zauo-restaurant/ |
| Gatchaman are back. YAY!!! |
| The conversation between Tsubasa and her grandfather, seems to me they are condemning Japan world war 2 aggression. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| a perfect episode tbh. anyone else got shivers in the last five minutes or so? |
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| I wonder what would have happened if the atmosphere had turned against the Kuus more specifically, instead of Gelsadra? |
| And once again Gatchaman Crowds proves why it's the best of the best. The whole thing with Rizumu, Millione, Tsubasa, Gelsadra and the atmosphere as questionable villains reminded me of Medaka Box, actually. At the end of the Not Equal Arc, during the presidential election speeches Zenkichi said |
naschyamamotoSep 17, 2015 8:28 PM
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| Finally Tsubasa got some sense slapped into her...though I wish there was a slap. |
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| Took a bit long but where finally somewhere! Let's see what's next. |
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PaleBlue said: I wonder what would have happened if the atmosphere had turned against the Kuus more specifically, instead of Gelsadra? That's an interesting thought. Maybe they will disappear later. |
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| How the hell did the dude get all those angles of Little Hajime lookalike from peeking behind a pillar? Everything came full circle. Yuru-jii is awesome. Tsubasa turned into a bike? Riding Gatchaman, Acceleration! |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| It's hard to believe how many layers this show actually has. Even the Gatchaman's individual weapons make sense now. Hajime's scizzors symbolize change. Sugane's sword reflects his knighthood and how we was always a by-the-manual kind of guy in the beginning. Joe's fire may represent his passion. Paipai is a "vehicle" because he was always running away from his initial problems and relied too much on the prophecies. Etc. etc. etc. However, since a scizzor is an "ambiguous" symbol - meaning it has a double meaning - and it also represents change, it impacted all the other weapons as well. Therefore, everything else also has a double meaning. Sugane's sword could also represent the authority/responsiblity he held and his challenge of "letting go" and not controlling everything in Season 1. Joe's fire could also symbolize destruction, as seen in this current season. And lastly, with Paipai as a "vehicle," he now goes/leads his own direction. |
ZelevSep 21, 2017 3:23 PM
 Three things cannot be long hidden.. ...the s u n, the m oo n, and the tr u th. |
| Gatchaman Crowds seriously needs more recognition. This show is just amazing. Once again, this episode shows how easily people are swayed. I'm pretty sure some people shit-talking about Gel are those same ones who voted for him. He did won by a landslide. It's not too far-fetched to assume so and the biased media has once again proven very effective to change public opinion. Now Gel's own creation are turning against him because he's now deemed to go against the atmosphere by the public's opinion. That's pretty sad. I still don't think Gel is a bad person. He has good intentions but lacks perspective. He's literally just a child in the first place. After thinking hard about what he actually wants and why he wants to stay in Earth, in the end, he thought about his friend Tsubasa instead of peace and unity and reverted back to his child form. Poor guy couldn't understand why people hate him now. The radical pacifist guy is now starting to make sense to me. CROWDS did in fact help a lot of people but society is just not ready for that kind of power. People are easily swayed. They'll keep looking for someone to blame instead of owning up to their mistakes. You can see how Gel fell victim to society's ego. The citizens were the one who elected him on a whim in the first place because of the momentary positivity he brought but now everyone's coming for his neck. It's great that Rui still values his ideals. Lets see where this show gets us with it. Millione is still really suspicious af though. |
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| "You've breathed in way too much of this country's atmosphere" - nice line from Yuru-jii, given his breathing exercises :p So, his lesson is to breathe out as much as possible which is sort of a metaphor for thinking on your own? I just noticed that Rui's weapon is X-shaped... That last shot was cool. Tsubasa can transform into Matsukaze that looks like Jun's motorcycle from old-school Gatcha. Is it possible that every Gatcha can transform to vehicles? Or is it only for Tsubasa (also Panda)? Cool. How the hell did the dude get all those angles of Little Hajime lookalike from peeking behind a pillar? Maybe footage from street cameras, or just anime logic. Or maybe there wasn't enough time/budget/whatever to animate this from another angle. Let's slash, stab, shoot and blow up the kuus without considering the possibility that the people they ate might still be in them. Seems legit. RIP Mana's father I guess. |
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