| Well it's supposed to be a good news right? |
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ccdewa said: VERY good news...Well it's supposed to be a good news right? Ramkec said: In NisiOisin we trust. |
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TheOldHome said: Nisio Isin you sly dog. Nosio Isin, the Brett Favre of light novels! |
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| So monogatari's end isn't the end after all. Wait... Why do I have that feeling of déjà-vu? That's not the first time with the monogatari series, if I'm not mistaken. ;O |
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| Final Season is going to be continued?? Cool I hope Bleach will continue the anime too. |
| Heck. I love the series so for me it is great news! |
| Well shit, now they'll have even more to animate before they get around to Kizumonogatari |
mugi said: This.Ignoring that Shaft possibly profits from this as well, knowing how out of the whim Nisio Isin makes these decisions, their workload unexpectedly increased with this series over the past couple of years since they made that announcement. LastChapter said: Final season they said, the concluding arc they said. But it looks like it won't continue the main story and instead be between the seasons. This isn't official as far as I know. The term "final season" came only from the japanese wiki I think, maybe Kodansha. But the author never made any promises or implications. And why are you people talking like it's your right to decide when a story ends? |
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Dunois said: the entire Monogatari novel series will be animated by Shaft. Excluding Kizumonogatari, I would guess. |
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Immahnoob said: I bet more than half of these people crying about milking the series for money didnt even read novels...They just go to continuation threads and post random "Milk" comments for fun...It may be really fun though,i will try it sometimes....mugi said: This.Ignoring that Shaft possibly profits from this as well, knowing how out of the whim Nisio Isin makes these decisions, their workload unexpectedly increased with this series over the past couple of years since they made that announcement. This isn't official as far as I know. The term "final season" came only from the japanese wiki I think, maybe Kodansha. But the author never made any promises or implications. And why are you people talking like it's your right to decide when a story ends? |
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| I ain't complainin, even if it was milking. It's not really milking though when there's plenty of material to write about, but MAL will be MAL. Hopefully translations will pick back up, and, well, god forbid Shaft animate Kizu. Immahnoob said: dingdingdingdingdingAnd why are you people talking like it's your right to decide when a story ends? |
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LonelyWizard said: Immahnoob said: I bet more than half of these people crying about milking the series for money didnt even read novels...They just go to continuation threads and post random "Milk" comments for fun...It may be really fun though,i will try it sometimes....This. And why are you people talking like it's your right to decide when a story ends? I agree, but this is also true the other way around. Now, how many people protesting about those talking about those saying "milking" in this thread have bought the novel, I wonder? |
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Zefyris said: Well i,at least read every little translated page about Monogatari series...Sadly buying is not an option...I would buy the whole series and keep it in the best spot of my bookshelf...I agree, but this is also true the other way around. Now, how many people protesting about those talking about those saying "milking" in this thread have bought the novel, I wonder? |
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| should we just call it moneynogatari |
| I love how people think Nisioisin is this super genius artistic writer that is totally for the apparently world class story and character content and not at all the money. Like hell anyone would ever end the easy money train that is this franchise. Probably a lot of pressure from a lot of concerned parties over the end of their own cut of the easy money cash flow too to be fair though. Whatever not like anyone cares, this is everyone's favorite franchise so of course they'll welcome more after what they were told was planned and make the comments about "shut up and take my money". If anything there's a good chance that the powers that be new it would be continuing and just claimed it was ending to boost hype a little for the current season. Knowing how ridiculously greed driven anime culture is especially nowadays I'd almost suspect anything. |
PeacingOutSep 27, 2014 8:16 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: I love how people think Nisioisin is this super genius artistic writer that is totally for the apparently world class story and character content and not at all the money. Like hell anyone would ever end the easy money train that is this franchise. Probably a lot of pressure from a lot of concerned parties over the end of their own cut of the easy money cash flow too to be fair though. All of what you said is completely baseless. You just put more effort than the other retards with the milking and money jokes. |
luteum said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I love how people think Nisioisin is this super genius artistic writer that is totally for the apparently world class story and character content and not at all the money. Like hell anyone would ever end the easy money train that is this franchise. Probably a lot of pressure from a lot of concerned parties over the end of their own cut of the easy money cash flow too to be fair though. All of what you said is completely baseless. You just put more effort than the other retards with the milking and money jokes. Believe me I've already heard the gospel of Nisioisin enough times to understand how this stuff is supposed to work on MAL. I also know what kind of fans he attracts so no need to prove anything more there either by calling people retards now. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: luteum said: All of what you said is completely baseless. You just put more effort than the other retards with the milking and money jokes. Believe me I've already heard the gospel of Nisioisin enough times to understand how this stuff is supposed to work on MAL. I also know what kind of fans he attracts so no need to prove anything more there either by calling people retards now. So irrelevant, and doesn't change the baseless claim you have stated. It's only worse, when you pick a couple episodes of each season, drop them, pick up some badly translated novels online, and think that you can judge his writing, when it's heavily central on the Japanese language itself. I can do what I want, and I'm not a Monogatari fan, so I don't really care if you think this is an instance of a representation for the fanbase. |
luteum said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Believe me I've already heard the gospel of Nisioisin enough times to understand how this stuff is supposed to work on MAL. I also know what kind of fans he attracts so no need to prove anything more there either by calling people retards now. So irrelevant, and doesn't change the baseless claim you have stated. It's only worse, when you pick a couple episodes of each season, drop them, pick up some badly translated novels online, and think that you can judge his writing, when it's heavily central on the Japanese language itself. I can do what I want, and I'm not a Monogatari fan, so I don't really care if you think this is an instance of a representation for the fanbase. I'm sorry I don't find the guys writing style and mentality the most pinnacle of the Japanese literary world and the most desirable. As I've said I've heard the gospel before many many times from his fans that just think he's the absolute greatest there is and don't care. I think the stories I've seen that he writes are largely pandering schlock that he tries to dress up with word play and distracting run on dialogue that is made to sound clever and witty but is really just a waste of text. In any case I invoke the same principle as you here. I really don't care if you people think I'm wrong....like really and truly. Enjoy your continuing The Story, I've said my peace here. In any case to be somewhat fair this would be far from the first time a franchise has used the phrase Final and then continued a work anyway with something like Next Generation or whatever, just usually they wait more than a few weeks after something has supposedly ended in order to claim it so that they don't get these kinds of accusations of milking. For example Yamato had Final Yamato in 1983 and then would wait more than a decade before trying to bring the franchise back with Yamato 2520. Same with Godzilla and Final Wars which opted for the decade later reboot. |
PeacingOutSep 27, 2014 9:13 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: I'm sorry I don't find the guys writing style and mentality the most pinnacle of the Japanese literary world and the most desirable. *Rise a hand* While I don't think NisiOisiN could ever pretend to be the pinacle of Japanese literary, nor do I think that anyone sane would say something like that, did you even read the book in their original language before looking down at the author's writing style? |
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Zefyris said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I'm sorry I don't find the guys writing style and mentality the most pinnacle of the Japanese literary world and the most desirable. *Rise a hand* While I don't think NisiOisiN could ever pretend to be the pinacle of Japanese literary, nor do I think that anyone sane would say something like that, did you even read the book in their original language before looking down at the author's writing style? No I don't like it much let alone nearly enough to want to track it down, take the time to better learn the language enough to get through it. This is more about my claim that he's not the super genius artistic author that is totally for the art and not the money though, like I said I really don't feel the need to hear the gospel of Nisioisin from anybody yet again. I can't stress nearly enough how I've heard it all before. |
Kaioshin_Sama said: i dont get it...whats your point?I will tell you something,ALL writers,producers,directors doing their job for MONEY because its their job you know?They supposed to write for money and ofc Nisio Isin also writes for money(except Nisemonogatari) and this doesnt make his writing worse...And you may think his word plays and overuse of dialogues is a bad thing but that is your opinion...dont talk about it as if its a fact...bla bla bla |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: I will probably regret asking but... I will ask: how many Nisioisin novels have you read? In Japanese? In official translations? Just wondering upon what you have based your opinion of his writing style.... I'm sorry I don't find the guys writing style and mentality the most pinnacle of the Japanese literary world and the most desirable.... Edit: was asked. Hasn't read it. I should not bother... |
hpulleySep 27, 2014 12:05 PM
| ^Guys, I already asked him that. This thread is full of people -complaining about milking the series even though they don't read it and don't buy it -complaining about people saying "milking" even though they don't buy the series either And then, people like me who didn't buy/read monogatari either yet point out that other are talking without being concerned/without knowledge. I guess we al show in our own manner the average quality of MAL's news threads lol. So i'll just say this to throw in the little bit of knowledge I have on this subject then. The monogatari series is a novel series published under the Koudansha Box edition. This is a very pricey edition which price is mostly justified by... the box wrapping the book. ImO, that edition from the start pretty much screams to my hears that the editor want to get as much money as they can from the fans by putting unbelievable prices to each book. And that since NisioIsiN didn't oppose himself to this and let his books being published under this label, he probably wasn't strongly opposed to that idea either. Now, I don't know the exact motivations nor the circumstances. But from the start, from the point of view of a regular LN/novel buyer, this series doesn't especially seem unrelated with the word "milking". Obviously authors needs to get money to live and so are the editors, but there's hardly pricier (per page) than koudansha boxes on the japanese novel market from what I saw. |
ZefyrisSep 27, 2014 11:47 AM
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Zefyris said: If you read what Nisioisin himself said, this was the 7th time he considered ending the series. But he is continuing it once again.So monogatari's end isn't the end after all. Wait... Why do I have that feeling of déjà-vu? That's not the first time with the monogatari series, if I'm not mistaken. ;O |
| Haha, I thought I saw that a few time bu to think it was already the 7th xD |
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| You guys do know that there's a chance that this new season could be set with a completely different cast in the same universe and oddities, right? Nisio Isin would never let go of the perfect wordplay universe he created after all. |
Grouchio said: You want to see Nisioisin playing with words, check out Ripogura!You guys do know that there's a chance that this new season could be set with a completely different cast in the same universe and oddities, right? Nisio Isin would never let go of the perfect wordplay universe he created after all. |
| I think it will be a spin-off. |
 » Escapism. |
| I'm a great fan but I'm sad because it's getting milked. |
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| It only becomes "milking" when a series has exerted its ideas, which the Monogatari Series clearly has not. |
marconii2002 said: We already knew they are making new season...The real question is will it be like Kizu or not...Anime also be continued http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/27154/tsukimonogatari-anime-confirmed/ |
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marconii2002 said: They also told that we will get a Kizumonogatari anime,so....Yeah....did you read what i write :(I don't see question here. Tsukimonogatari will get anime. |
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GarudaAiacos said: I'm happy about the Kodansha Box too. Usually by the time I'm done reading and re-reading my Monogatari novels the cover is ratty as shit. But then you slide them into their Kodansha Box and ahhhh... all is right in the world once again! Seriously...About the Kodansha box, you guys know how much people in japan love their collectibles. So For a series like monogatari that has such dedicated fans most of them are probably happy to get it like that coming in a nice box that looks good in your room. Instead of thinking about it like a scam like oh the company just wants to milk money. I mean they are not evil, they are just like any other company that exists to make money. The consumers know that. It doesn't matter. They are just happy that their favorite LN series looks good on their shelf in their Koudansha box. ;) Other LN too, I read them with the covers off so they too look good when in fact they are pretty well worn. People who buy two copies so one is mint know what they're doing. |
| I don't even think that box is pretty you know. It's average, at best. And the volume in itself is far from pretty, as well. the problem is that, they don't leave you choice. It's not like LE where you can choose to take the LE or the normal edition, here, they force you to buy something else than the book, and for quite the ridiculous price to boot. Also, when Seikaisha cchoose to give a box for the full set of fate/zero, they didn't overprice the whole thing like koudansha did. And since I have it, I can tell you that that box is far better looking than the koudansha box. |
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| It's odd though as Ripogura, Okitegami Kyouko, et al are NOT Kodansha Box. They are still Kodansha but are just the normal book with a slip cover instead of a box. I guess by doing Bakemonogatari in that format they were forced to stick with it, as it would look weird to have a 'cheap' RE version alongside the boxes now. If they were to re-release them all in bunko format that would be interesting. Again, as far as milking it originally he just thought of writing Bakemonogatari. Then he thought it was done... 7 times! Owarimonogatari's middle volume was an afterthought, he decided he needed to write that to explain a certain period of time. Nisioisin has written so much that I expect that he does whatever the heck he wants at Kodansha. Ripogura was really, really experimental. You don't get to create something like that unless you have a lot of clout with your publisher, full creative freedom. Monogatari is also very, very creative. I think he's just having fun at this point and it shows at times. Just interesting to think that most of the stuff that happened in Final Season was a result of stuff he really did on a bit of a lark in Nisemonogatari. That and loose ends from Second Season. And yet it is really, really awesome. Can't wait for Tsuki's anime on New Year's Eve and hope so much that the last frame of it will say, "The rest of Final Season coming in 2015 summer!" |
Zefyris said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I'm sorry I don't find the guys writing style and mentality the most pinnacle of the Japanese literary world and the most desirable. *Rise a hand* While I don't think NisiOisiN could ever pretend to be the pinacle of Japanese literary, nor do I think that anyone sane would say something like that, did you even read the book in their original language before looking down at the author's writing style? So nobody can criticize the book because we didn't read it in its original language? I surely hope that is not what you are implying. Obviously translations will not match the original language in 99% of the cases, but you can get a pretty good idea what the general writing style is in a lot of cases... Also: The anime adaptions of his various works as well as his manga are enough to give anyone plenty of material to figure out his style by now. |
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Nidhoeggr said: So nobody can criticize the book because we didn't read it in its original language? I surely hope that is not what you are implying. Obviously translations will not match the original language in 99% of the cases, but you can get a pretty good idea what the general writing style is in a lot of cases... To be fair, translations can easily end up really messed up when not translated properly. For example The Witcher novels were really badly translated in English, almost unreadable, while the source and other translations are good. Similarly, Bakemonogatari is probably translated by some dude that likes the book, and he may or may not be experienced enough to translate a book properly. Especially the translations hosted on baka-tsuki, while lots of these LNs are really bad, the translations themselves are usually bad as well. Basically, even the best style can look like shit if not translated properly. Though if Nisio was a good writer, he wouldn't waste time with low grade Light Novels and would start publishing real books, books that the whole nation and world would read. So there's that. |
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| Fair enough, and while I agree that most of the baka-tsuki translations do not look like they could pass serious quality control they at least show you the usual way he handles his characters. |
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