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Jul 27, 2014 9:56 PM

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I was looking at the page on MAL, thinking "oh most of that anime is pretty good" ... then I saw Blassreiter... But I've seen everything in the list (which surprised me).

Generally speaking, I love a good tragedy... so his material has a decent chance of being something I will like... but...

Most of his stuff is "average" to "good". Psycho-Pass and Madoka are exceptions (I suspect Madoka has more to do with Shinbou's directing...)
Jul 27, 2014 10:02 PM

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Wow, I've seen every anime he's been a part of besides Blassreiter... did not know that.

I enjoyed them all too. Suppose I need to check out Blassreiter then.
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Jul 27, 2014 10:10 PM

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Just dropping by to remind people he didnt write aldnoah.zero.
Jul 27, 2014 10:14 PM

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SolvyTwerk4Jesus said:
Just dropping by to remind people he didnt write aldnoah.zero.


But he also didn't not write it.
Jul 27, 2014 10:15 PM

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Madoka - not bad

Psycho-Pass - not bad

Kamen Rider Gaim - make it stop for the love of fuck
Jul 27, 2014 11:13 PM

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Pretentious is the word I'm looking for, but he's a really good writer.
Jul 27, 2014 11:18 PM
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Everything I've seen of his is at least decent. PP is probably his weakest work though..very predictable, lots of obnoxious quoting and some characters felt a bit underdeveloped even though they tried devoting an episode for each one.
Jul 27, 2014 11:23 PM

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skudoops said:
Everything I've seen of his is at least decent. PP is probably his weakest work though..very predictable, lots of obnoxious quoting and some characters felt a bit underdeveloped even though they tried devoting an episode for each one.


Supposedly the quotes were from the episode writer, not Urobuchi.

But yes, many of the characters like Kunizuka were basically irrelevant and were only there for the muscle.

And if you've seen the show but don't know who Kunizuka is, you can be forgiven.
Jul 27, 2014 11:35 PM

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fst said:

And if you've seen the show but don't know who Kunizuka is, you can be forgiven.


How can I recognize a person when you don't even use the correct name?

Her name is Lesbian-music-groupie
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Jul 27, 2014 11:38 PM

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DerpHole said:
fst said:

And if you've seen the show but don't know who Kunizuka is, you can be forgiven.


How can I recognize a person when you don't even use the correct name?

Her name is Lesbian-music-groupie


If you prefer.
Jul 28, 2014 6:20 AM

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Madoka + Rebellion > Fate/Zero >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Psycho Pass.
Gargantia is also way better than PP but it's only half written by Urobutcher so yeah.

Apparently Urobuchi isn't involved with Psycho Pass 2. Kind of a good thing if you ask me. The show has the basic framework of something written by Urobuchi (A hard on for grey morality, dark plot twists, suffering) but it has pretty much none of the good stuff I expect out of his shows.

No emotional depth, far less intriguing themes with half assed execution, Hyper Oats, that obnoxious quote spouting villain (Who only really seemed to be there so Urobuchi could indirectly tell the audience 'Hey guys! Look how much smarter I am than you!'), Hyper Oats, the general lack of originality, Hyper Oats, Hyper Oats and Hyper Oats. Did I mention how silly it is that 95% of their food is made out of fucking oats?
Jul 28, 2014 6:24 AM

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TheNaturalPerm said:
did he write inferno cop? no! --> he sucks

True dat
Jul 28, 2014 6:25 AM

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I don't care much for the individual, only thing I know is that I thouroughly enjoyed two of his works, namely Madoka and Fate/Zero. Wasn't fond of Rebellion tho.
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Jul 28, 2014 6:32 AM

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- I really enjoyed Psycho Pass

- Fate/Zero was good

- Madoka Magica was very good for the most part. First movie was good, 2nd movie was great. I'm going to watch rebellion at some point, have to get in the mood for it first.

- Aldnoah Zero is okay so far, I need to adjust my rating for it. Haven't seen much that impressed me about it since the end of the first episode xD

- I actually dropped Gargantia after the 4th or 5th episode, I was getting bored of it. Maybe I'll marathon it later to see if the show is good or not

- I think Phantom is in my to watch list. I almost bought it a few weeks ago, but it was one of those ugly SAVE editions with that gigantic green logo plastered on it, I hate that shit. Reminds me of those ps2 games you would get that would gigantic logo on the top that says classic game or something, messes up the box art.
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He has 0 well written characters in his shows (excluding p-p villain) so no
Jul 28, 2014 8:36 AM
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Gen Urobuchi is very good at presenting ideas and themes, but what he does poorly is executing or exploring those ideas. In psycho pass there was a plethora of themes that included social inequality, cyber robotics in a similar vein to Ghost in the shell, but in the end he never explored what it means to be human or linking social inequality to an authoritarian society.
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midnightblade said:
- I really enjoyed Psycho Pass

- Fate/Zero was good

- Madoka Magica was very good for the most part. First movie was good, 2nd movie was great. I'm going to watch rebellion at some point, have to get in the mood for it first.

- Aldnoah Zero is okay so far, I need to adjust my rating for it. Haven't seen much that impressed me about it since the end of the first episode xD

- I actually dropped Gargantia after the 4th or 5th episode, I was getting bored of it. Maybe I'll marathon it later to see if the show is good or not

- I think Phantom is in my to watch list. I almost bought it a few weeks ago, but it was one of those ugly SAVE editions with that gigantic green logo plastered on it, I hate that shit. Reminds me of those ps2 games you would get that would gigantic logo on the top that says classic game or something, messes up the box art.


Urobuchi didn't write gargantia or Aldnoah.Zero.

This is the new thing in anime now. Putting Urobuchi's name on your work when he really wasnt actually involved.

The face that the last 2 pages of this thread dont contain any mention of Saya no Uta is saddening to me.

If you haven't read Saya no Uta you don't know shit about Urobuchi. He's been phoning it in since Madoka and it shows.
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SolvyTwerk4Jesus said:
midnightblade said:
- I really enjoyed Psycho Pass

- Fate/Zero was good

- Madoka Magica was very good for the most part. First movie was good, 2nd movie was great. I'm going to watch rebellion at some point, have to get in the mood for it first.

- Aldnoah Zero is okay so far, I need to adjust my rating for it. Haven't seen much that impressed me about it since the end of the first episode xD

- I actually dropped Gargantia after the 4th or 5th episode, I was getting bored of it. Maybe I'll marathon it later to see if the show is good or not

- I think Phantom is in my to watch list. I almost bought it a few weeks ago, but it was one of those ugly SAVE editions with that gigantic green logo plastered on it, I hate that shit. Reminds me of those ps2 games you would get that would gigantic logo on the top that says classic game or something, messes up the box art.


Urobuchi didn't write gargantia or Aldnoah.Zero.

This is the new thing in anime now. Putting Urobuchi's name on your work when he really wasnt actually involved.

The face that the last 2 pages of this thread dont contain any mention of Saya no Uta is saddening to me.

If you haven't read Saya no Uta you don't know shit about Urobuchi. He's been phoning it in since Madoka and it shows.
Yes, but his the original character of the show and probably had some input into how it was written and directed. He also was in charge of the script for the first three episodes.
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From what I've seen, his works are generally dark and tend to rely on shock value. He also really loves the concept of "providing the greatest benefit to the greatest number of people", which has been explored in Fate/Zero, Psycho-Pass, and Madoka Magica. Would be nice if he branched out a bit.
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Kentar said:
He has 0 well written characters in his shows (excluding p-p villain) so no


Kiritsugu, Kirie and Archer were all well done in F/Z.

-Tien- said:
From what I've seen, his works are generally dark and tend to rely on shock value. He also really loves the concept of "providing the greatest benefit to the greatest number of people", which has been explored in Fate/Zero, Psycho-Pass, and Madoka Magica. Would be nice if he branched out a bit.


I kinda agree, although his reasoning in it seems to differ from show to show.

In PP it was exploring the idea of



Madoka



F/Z

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skudoops said:
Kiritsugu, Kirie and Archer were all well done in F/Z.


Kiritsugu and Archer hell no lol

Kirei is fine but lack of reasonable motivation behind his actions and being useless during the first season cant warrant him being well written.
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Kentar said:
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Kiritsugu, Kirie and Archer were all well done in F/Z.


Kiritsugu and Archer hell no lol

Kirei is fine but lack of reasonable motivation behind his actions and being useless during the first season cant warrant him being well written.


What was wrong with any of those? Also his lack of a reasonable motivation IS the entire point of kirei.. and what? How was he useless in the first season?
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Forgetfulness said:
Kentar said:


Kiritsugu and Archer hell no lol

Kirei is fine but lack of reasonable motivation behind his actions and being useless during the first season cant warrant him being well written.
What is Kirei's lack of motivation?


You may be right about Kirei. I can't really remember the small details, anyways he was uninteresting enough for me to not care for him.

Let me change "well-written" to memorable.
Jul 28, 2014 12:28 PM

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I like his stories. He writes very good characters.

It just so happens that his fanbase is also composed primarily of dipshits who can't read the silver lining on the clouds or care to look beyond skin deep reasons to like or dislike characters.

Gen writes very well, although Gargantia felt... sort of like, a baby step for him to try doing things differently for once, I respect that, but Gargantia was mediocre at best.

Beyond that? Like his works, his fans are a bunch of retards, hope he doesn't let mass majority rule how he writes a story. Stephan King has written some very ambiguously bad decisions, but remains popular to this day. I hope Gen can do so too.
Jul 28, 2014 12:44 PM

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Just saw the first ep of Blassreiter.

What kind of garbage is this
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Jul 28, 2014 2:20 PM

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Aeonic said:
Gen Urobuchi is very good at presenting ideas and themes, but what he does poorly is executing or exploring those ideas. In psycho pass
The mistake you've made here is thinking Psycho Pass is on the same level as everything else Urobuchi has made.
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SeibaaHomu said:
Aeonic said:
Gen Urobuchi is very good at presenting ideas and themes, but what he does poorly is executing or exploring those ideas. In psycho pass
The mistake you've made here is thinking Psycho Pass is on the same level as everything else Urobuchi has made.

Outside of the F/Z series and Madoka what was supposedly better than Psycho Pass.

I'm not even a fan of Psycho Pass but Urobutcher isn't all that great.
Jul 28, 2014 2:29 PM

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Black Lagoon and Psycho pass were amazing
i may just look at what else he has done
Jul 28, 2014 2:33 PM

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I couldn't take Kirei seriously because of his voice.

Apparently Nitro+ thinks having a man in this early adult years sound like a 75 year old chain smoker makes him sound mature and edgy.
Jul 28, 2014 2:37 PM

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Haven't seen all of his works but from what I saw he's a bit overrated. I saw Madoka and Psycho Pass but I liked them more because of the visuals, themes and OST than the story.
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Haven't seen all of his works but from what I saw he's a bit overrated. I saw Madoka and Psycho Pass but I liked them more because of the visuals, themes and OST than the story.


Urobuchi tends to focus on those themes.

AKA pretentious bullshit about sacrifice and pseudo-moral dilemmas.
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Black Lagoon and Psycho pass were amazing
i may just look at what else he has done


he didn't write black lagoon

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I couldn't take Kirei seriously because of his voice.

Apparently Nitro+ thinks having a man in this early adult years sound like a 75 year old chain smoker makes him sound mature and edgy.


i thought kirei sounded older than his own dad
Jul 28, 2014 2:41 PM

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orchidork said:
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Black Lagoon and Psycho pass were amazing
i may just look at what else he has done


he didn't write black lagoon

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I couldn't take Kirei seriously because of his voice.

Apparently Nitro+ thinks having a man in this early adult years sound like a 75 year old chain smoker makes him sound mature and edgy.


i thought kirei sounded older than his own dad


Just about every male character in Fate/Zero sounded at least 60.

Thats because deep voices are mature as fuck.
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SolvyTwerk4Jesus said:
orchidork said:


he didn't write black lagoon



i thought kirei sounded older than his own dad


Just about every male character in Fate/Zero sounded at least 60.

Thats because deep voices are mature as fuck.

Don't forget smoking. That makes you very adult.
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SolvyTwerk4Jesus said:


Just about every male character in Fate/Zero sounded at least 60.

Thats because deep voices are mature as fuck.

Don't forget smoking. That makes you very adult.


Also drinking wine while explaining things as thoroughly as possible.

And being sure to refer to your opponents as mongrels.

In fact, anyone who disagrees with me right now is a mongrol. I'll fight you next episode.

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SolvyTwerk4Jesus said:
Urobuchi tends to focus on those themes.

AKA pretentious bullshit about sacrifice and pseudo-moral dilemmas.


Too bad though. Psycho Pass started out really well and it could have been something great but halfway through the show went downhil. The big twist wasn't that big in the end and the villain's story was poorly finished.

I agree. Pseudo-moral dilemmas all over the place.
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I laugh every time people call Fate/Zero a battle anime.

There were very few actual battles.

Most of the "battles" involved the avatars insulting each other, talking shit, then leaving and vowing to murder each other later.

Then all at once due to technicalities and backstabbing everything ends over the span of 3 episodes.

I feel like if Fate/Zero spent half as much time trying to entertain me as it did trying to teach me how evil human beings are, it could have been the best anime ever made.

There were some rants (not dialogues, as both characters appeared to be Urobuchi preaching at me) in which the characters go on and on about what it means to be a leader, and its just like... really?

Thank you Rider and Saber for spending 45 minutes of anime time saying THE SAME SHIT over and over and over in slightly more pretentious ways.
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People who dislike The Butcher aren't real anime fans.
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People who dislike The Butcher aren't real anime fans.


He barely even kills characters anymore.
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SolvyTwerk4Jesus said:
He barely even kills characters anymore.


It really feels like that's his only trait as a writer. I never hear about how wonderfully fleshed out his characters are, in fact the lack of that is one of the most common criticisms with him.

Go to any news thread on here about an upcoming (at the time) anime and see how many times people are like "I wonder who's gonna die first!" Because that's the important stuff.
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Deaths make for good storytelling
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RLinksoul said:
SolvyTwerk4Jesus said:
He barely even kills characters anymore.


It really feels like that's his only trait as a writer. I never hear about how wonderfully fleshed out his characters are, in fact the lack of that is one of the most common criticisms with him.

Go to any news thread on here about an upcoming (at the time) anime and see how many times people are like "I wonder who's gonna die first!" Because that's the important stuff.


He's a better writer than the guy who wrote SAO, and thats all you need these days.
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Urobuchi is only good at writing fucked up shit. When it comes to themes, nuance, subtly, characterization, he sucks. Saya no uta was good though, best thing he has ever done. His best anime is psycho pass if we are counting original works.
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SolvyTwerk4Jesus said:

He's a better writer than the guy who wrote SAO, and thats all you need these days.


Is the guy who wrote SAO a better writer than Stephenie Meyer? Cause that would really put things in perspective.
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Urobuchi is only good at writing fucked up shit. When it comes to themes, nuance, subtly, characterization, he sucks. Saya no uta was good though, best thing he has ever done. His best anime is psycho pass if we are counting original works.

Pretty much my feelings about him, minus the sucks part because I've seen a whole lot worse. I've only seen three so far, but Psycho Pass is by far my favorite of them. Not really motviated to start Madoka, so maybe I'll do Saya no uta first.
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why the fuck do people keep talking about how all he does is kill people off? He really doesnt even do it that much more than the average action show, hes not like tomino who went into idiot fueled depressions and killed off large groups of characters just so he wouldnt need to make sequels. Urabuchi just seems to off characters as a very normal rate and seems to stray from killing off protagonists.

I think its funny how his most famous work didnt even kill anyone off permanently.

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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Nope. I don't like Urobuchi.
If Madoka is his best work, I'm not watching any of his other works. No thank you.
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Urobuchi actually brought back most of the people he killed via movies and sequels atr this point.
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SolvyTwerk4Jesus said:
Urobuchi actually brought back most of the people he killed via movies and sequels atr this point.

Which has been the major source of my frustration. That, and the somewhat forced/asspull methods for eradicating his characters--Phantom I'm looking at you specifically.

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