Are any battle shounen anime worthy of the title 'masterpiece'?

sebrina8 said:

really people don't get tired of the tsundere joke thing?!. one piece is no where close to being a masterpiece, your fanboy self will disagree but idc.

sebrina8 said:

really people don't get tired of the tsundere joke thing?!. one piece is no where close to being a masterpiece, your fanboy self will disagree but idc.

judals said:
I don't know, I guess I understand.
Although to me, the writing has been abysmal for the past 2 years, the trolling's gotten worse than Kubo's, and the plot-holes are just being raked in.

sebrina8 said:

lol good joke.

Cupquake said:


Give me reasons and examples to back up your claims instead of repeating your assertion over and over. I am by no means a One Piece fanboy.

sebrina8 said:

really people don't get tired of the tsundere joke thing?!. one piece is no where close to being a masterpiece, your fanboy self will disagree but idc.

Ulquiorra1923 said:
All battle shounens are masterpieces.

judals said:


Do you really think One piece deserves a 1? I mean sure it's no masterpiece, but it had some arcs that could be considered good... even very good.

Certain arcs did deserve a 1, like the latest 2, but that's no reason to give the WHOLE series a 1. Unless you have a specially terrible experience with the series.

Kitsu-nee said:
I can see your point of view, but I strongly disagree about thing with Kubo. Current arc isn't anything good, especially compared to Arrancar arc imo.

jayss said:
Hunter x Hunter (2011) - Doesn't get repetitive, story arcs differ a lot but they maintain their great quality. The cast is very well written, I've even come to love all the characters that were introduced in the current arc alone. And of course props to Madhouse

sebrina8 said:

the 1 is for the wasted potential in the new world/time skip. the series was decent before that. now oda is just milking the cow, and throwing bones for the fans to get excited and hyped

oda became a terrible writer and it's showing.

DrGeroCreation said:
Quincy arc in the manga is way better than Arrancar arc. Yhwach actually gets shit done instead of talking non stop like Aizen, Quincy's are actually motivated by revenge in wanting to annihilate the Shinigami unlike the Espadas who are just Aizen's lapdogs. It's funny how the espadas hate shinigami yet they bow and serve a shinigami.

sebrina8 said:

oda became a terrible writer and it's showing.

judals said:


Just imagine Madhouse kicking the ass of the other studios who are 'veterans' when it comes to shonen and long running series.



I actually agree with the bone throwing part. A lot of praise in the series comes from how some characters or incidents were teased rather than the actual story... or even the fights. And usually when we arrive at it, it turns out to be extremely underwhelming.
They hyped Fishman island not for one arc, not two, but a whole saga, and we get... Fishman Island arc for that.

But still, unlike naruto, the series isn't in a constant nose-dive. It's very inconsistent, can have really bad arcs, but still proved to jump back up afterward, even if for a very short while, it's worth it.

sebrina8 said:

if you think one piece is a masterpiece, then you are a fanboy because you are ignoring it's gigantic flaws and proceeding to claim it's a masterpiece. this is no head scratching matter.

Valaskjalf said:


In defence of the "veteran" studios, I have to say Madhouse people are lucky they are working on a Manga that started even before One Piece, they have a lot of material to work with and they don't need to add fillers or drag it with terrible pacing.

Valaskjalf said:

In defence of the "veteran" studios, I have to say Madhouse people are lucky they are working on a Manga that started even before One Piece, they have a lot of material to work with and they don't need to add fillers or drag it with terrible pacing.

skyzblue said:
No chance..
An anime about just beating the crap out of each other can be a masterpiece to only sadists and masochists.

DrGeroCreation said:
He is a master at character design and action. That's why I included Naho Ooishi and the Dragon Ball online writers, a collaboration is needed to create a Dragon Ball masterpiece. AT is a good writer Trunks, Android and Cell sagas prove that.

Cupquake said:


I never said a masterpiece has to have no flaws. A masterpiece for me just has to be somethign that I consider to be outstanding and unique.
Fine, I'll write about why I believe that One Piece is most deserving of the title, compared to other series listed and you can dispute my claims. That fair?

1) Straight forward and organized plot that gives a clear direction of where the story is heading. The island to island travel to reach the final island gives us a clear goal and idea of where the series will end. Better than stuff like Fairy Tail and Bleach which seems to be just wandering around randomly. The fruit powers are organized very neatly in a way that is easy to understand.
2) Unique and creative Islands keeps the reader constantly interested. Each new arc literally brings a whole new world. The beginning of an arc explains a bit about each island and it's inhabitants.
3) Pandaman. Stuff like Pandaman and other random crap Oda inserts into his manga is awesome.
4) Balanced fights. You never know who's gonna win. Logia fruits can be countered by haki, etc.
5) Interesting characters. Luffy is't your typical retarded and hungry shounen mc. He shows remarkable intelligence and leadership skills. All the characters have their own personal quirks and interesting backstories. Each individual character has his/own personal goals, not like in Fairy Tail where everyone just seems to want to be best namakas 4ever.

TheGrandSage23 said:


And he should've ended it at that.. Or take a break because while the Buu Saga had good ideas it was a soup sandwich in the end.. He lost interest by that time but hell it's money

Kitsu-nee said:

Disagree. While the motives are indeed interesting and, well, making sense, even the setting is perfectly fine, the rest is pretty bland imo. Fights aren't that engaging, most of the enemies aren't at ALL interesting or memorable, I didn't even bother to remember their names so far. Compared to Grimmjow or Ulquiorra, or the rest of Espada they are nothing remarkable.
Yeah, arrancar arc was full of cliches, this whole saving damsel in distress, Aizen was a typical badass antagonist, but still charismatic enough to make the readers enjoy the whole battle. So yeah.

Kaimon237 said:


I really do have yet to see a legitimate complaint as to why post-skip One Piece is "vastly inferior"

Let's not forget it's on the -3rd arc- while the first was basically there to show off their new moves/tell the reader what -really- happened with the Fishman Pirates/reveal what changed in the world during the SH's hiatus and the 2nd was basically set-up for the current one.


Honestly my biggest complaint is Sanji's character being completely taken over by his love of women to the point where he's basically a joke character that can fight really well :/

Cupquake said:

I never said a masterpiece has to have no flaws. A masterpiece for me just has to be somethign that I consider to be outstanding and unique.
Fine, I'll write about why I believe that One Piece is most deserving of the title, compared to other series listed and you can dispute my claims. That fair?

1) Straight forward and organized plot that gives a clear direction of where the story is heading. The island to island travel to reach the final island gives us a clear goal and idea of where the series will end. Better than stuff like Fairy Tail and Bleach which seems to be just wandering around randomly. The fruit powers are organized very neatly in a way that is easy to understand.
2) Unique and creative Islands keeps the reader constantly interested. Each new arc literally brings a whole new world. The beginning of an arc explains a bit about each island and it's inhabitants.
3) Pandaman. Stuff like Pandaman and other random crap Oda inserts into his manga is awesome.
4) Balanced fights. You never know who's gonna win. Logia fruits can be countered by haki, etc.
5) Interesting characters. Luffy is't your typical retarded and hungry shounen mc. He shows remarkable intelligence and leadership skills. All the characters have their own personal quirks and interesting backstories. Each individual character has his/own personal goals, not like in Fairy Tail where everyone just seems to want to be best namakas 4ever.

JD2411 said:
one criticism I have of one piece is that the series as a whole feels like a big filler, or at least some episodes and arcs do because all they literally do is travel to an island, beat up the bad guys and leave

sometimes I get 10 mins into an ep and have to check if its a filler I'm watching. I've only seen 93 episodes but this has happened a lot

sebrina8 said:
lots of text

Cupquake said:


Yeah I felt that way too at first. it actually took me until the Water 7 arc to start really liking One Piece, before that I thought it was ok, but nothing special. I think it's one of those series that really grows on you as time passes.

Emnay said:

wanna post that one more time?

sebrina8 said:

wanna keep shit posting? since ya know it's literally the only thing you do around these forums.

sebrina8 said:

HAHAHA LMAO. Those are your fucking reasons.

1/ More like a very simplistic and childish plot that is devoid of any decent level of depth and complexity. It's repetitive crap, going from an island to another meeting people solving their shit etc. rinse and repeat. Organized? how? they are just there, every once in a while a stupid looking character show up with a fruit power befitting of their stupid look. The powers feel like they are written by a child, they basically told a kid to think of the weirdest, random and childish powers you can think off. Yes easy to understand, we wouldn't want the kids to be confused about these simplistic and vapid powers that don't have any complexity in design and purpose.

2/ Yeah so.. -_-. It's an adventure series. They certainly didn't look that creative to me.

3/ facepalm. You think it's a masterpiece because it has joke characters and easter eggs?...

4/ More like shitty ass fights. One Piece should learn a thing or two from HxH, but the fights are not the only thing. They lack strategy, geography, intensity and seriousness. Inserting random retarded joke even though some fights are supposed to have serious consequences (ex: kuma in thriller park)

5/ LOL. one piece characters are one dimensional and very generic. Luffy is a mentally challenged idiot, zoro is the silent badass, Sanji is the idiot who loves women and is sexist because of it, Nami is the bossy bitch, Robin is the mysterious and silent character. He doesn't show jack shit, there hasn't been any scene where luffy displayed something I can call ''intelligence'', the leadership is nothing to write home about. All of their goals are cliche and simplistic.

A not typical Shounen MC would be Gon not Luffy. In fact Luffy is the one of the characters that are famous for being a stupid typical shounen MC, since he is basically a rip off of Goku.

It seems like you are explaining why one piece is better than fairy tail which I don't even know why you think that's relevant to one piece being a master piece.

In all honestly those were one of the shittiest reasons I've ever come across. I don't like the series and I could have come up with better reasons. SMH.

Kitsu-nee said:

Everyone keep saying that, but I was hooked almost since the very begining. Calling it a filler is a bit too much though imo, it's supposed to be a long journey, that's what makes this series so specific compared to other shounen manga. That's just the way Oda took. Well, I can see why some people could dislike it.

sebrina8 said:

wanna keep shit posting? since ya know it's literally the only thing you do around these forums.

sebrina8 said:

wanna keep shit posting? since ya know it's literally the only thing you do around these forums.

RedRoseFring said:
calling it filler at this point have clearly not been paying attention. It easily has one of the most intricately connected plots in shounen. The only ones that seem like a continuous filler at this point are Hunter x Hunter & Fairy Tail.

sebrina8 said:

HAHAHA LMAO. Those are your fucking reasons.

1/ More like a very simplistic and childish plot that is devoid of any decent level of depth and complexity. It's repetitive crap, going from an island to another meeting people solving their shit etc. rinse and repeat. Organized? how? they are just there, every once in a while a stupid looking character show up with a fruit power befitting of their stupid look. The powers feel like they are written by a child, they basically told a kid to think of the weirdest, random and childish powers you can think off. Yes easy to understand, we wouldn't want the kids to be confused about these simplistic and vapid powers that don't have any complexity in design and purpose.

2/ Yeah so.. -_-. It's an adventure series. They certainly didn't look that creative to me.

3/ facepalm. You think it's a masterpiece because it has joke characters and easter eggs?...

4/ More like shitty ass fights. One Piece should learn a thing or two from HxH, but the fights are not the only thing. They lack strategy, geography, intensity and seriousness. Inserting random retarded joke even though some fights are supposed to have serious consequences (ex: kuma in thriller park)

5/ LOL. one piece characters are one dimensional and very generic. Luffy is a mentally challenged idiot, zoro is the silent badass, Sanji is the idiot who loves women and is sexist because of it, Nami is the bossy bitch, Robin is the mysterious and silent character. He doesn't show jack shit, there hasn't been any scene where luffy displayed something I can call ''intelligence'', the leadership is nothing to write home about. All of their goals are cliche and simplistic.

A not typical Shounen MC would be Gon not Luffy. In fact Luffy is the one of the characters that are famous for being a stupid typical shounen MC, since he is basically a rip off of Goku.

It seems like you are explaining why one piece is better than fairy tail which I don't even know why you think that's relevant to one piece being a master piece.

In all honestly those were one of the shittiest reasons I've ever come across. I don't like the series and I could have come up with better reasons. SMH.