Monogatari Series: Second Season
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Eudaimonia said: yukaru00 said: Nadeko is not really a lazy person. She just doesn't put effort on something that doesn't interest her. Maybe I would see her in a different light if she had shown some ambition in other subjects or made her position clear as to why she actively (in opposite to going with the flow) chooses to do things this way. Instead she is shown lounging on her bed and lazing around in her free time when not occupied with supernatural stuff, doing things she is assigned to half-heartedly and choosing the easy way out in general. She takes her hobby seriously. Oh no. I won't tell you what her hobby is. That is too much of a spoiler if you still doesn't aware or informed of it yet. |
| The biggest and most obvious flaw of Sengoku is that she is insecure and doesn't dare to speak out much, well she is human so that she has flaws is a given we all got them. On a other note flaws can be overcome and if she overcomes her insecureness she will become a happier person since it will relieve her stress. and others will understand her better. That vampire punch reminded me of a game and was pretty funny, luckily Shinobu appeared at the right time since Koyomi was getting creepy again. Guess more people need their personal vampire to keep them in check. |
Eudaimonia said: yukaru00 said: Nadeko is not really a lazy person. She just doesn't put effort on something that doesn't interest her. Maybe I would see her in a different light if she had shown some ambition in other subjects or made her position clear as to why she actively (in opposite to going with the flow) chooses to do things this way. Instead she is shown lounging on her bed and lazing around in her free time when not occupied with supernatural stuff, doing things she is assigned to half-heartedly and choosing the easy way out in general. If anything, I think this has to do more with how she lacks the self-confidence to stand up for herself and object towards things she doesn't agree with or want to do, and her being "lazy" towards these things is her passive method of opposing to them, even if her shy, insecure nature dictates her to go with the flow in order to not offend people. For instance, her being lazy with her class representative and "class mediator" roles is a result of not declining a job she knows she's not up to: a role like this for a person like her can't be compared to doing homework or taking out the trash, but her lack of active resistance got her into this "mess". The same can be said about the snake too: the signs of resistance are there with her increasingly naggy/"cocky" attitude towards the snake, but again, she doesn't have the guts to actually oppose the snake and its demands, to the point she even lied to Koyomi not once, but twice. One could say it's a dilemma for Sengoku about whether to obey the dangerous snake or asking Koyomi for help and admitting that she lied to him, and Sengoku picked the worse option, which is still somewhat understandable considering the hostile factor the snake poses. Altough, the way she agreed to co-operate with the snake is worth mentioning in my opinion, I mean she doesn't seem like to be that guilty towards the "sin" she commited, more like she co-operates in order to "just" make the snake go away and stop pressuring her, kind of like how she hides behind her bangs whenever she feels endangered by people she can't oppose to. To be fair, both Ougi and Shinobu have a point in their arguements considering how Sengoku isn't exactly aware how her actions and mindset can translate to some people, but I think there's more to Sengoku than just simply being lazy, irresponsible and/or naggy in general. |
| Shinobu always steals the show when she gets a scene. I always look forward to her showing up. I'm really glad we got Maaya Sakamoto instead of Aya Hirano. |
Dodgers20 said: Eudaimonia said: yukaru00 said: Nadeko is not really a lazy person. She just doesn't put effort on something that doesn't interest her. Maybe I would see her in a different light if she had shown some ambition in other subjects or made her position clear as to why she actively (in opposite to going with the flow) chooses to do things this way. Instead she is shown lounging on her bed and lazing around in her free time when not occupied with supernatural stuff, doing things she is assigned to half-heartedly and choosing the easy way out in general. If anything, I think this has to do more with how she lacks the self-confidence to stand up for herself and object towards things she doesn't agree with or want to do, and her being "lazy" towards these things is her passive method of opposing to them, even if her shy, insecure nature dictates her to go with the flow in order to not offend people. For instance, her being lazy with her class representative and "class mediator" roles is a result of not declining a job she knows she's not up to: a role like this for a person like her can't be compared to doing homework or taking out the trash, but her lack of active resistance got her into this "mess". The same can be said about the snake too: the signs of resistance are there with her increasingly naggy/"cocky" attitude towards the snake, but again, she doesn't have the guts to actually oppose the snake and its demands, to the point she even lied to Koyomi not once, but twice. One could say it's a dilemma for Sengoku about whether to obey the dangerous snake or asking Koyomi for help and admitting that she lied to him, and Sengoku picked the worse option, which is still somewhat understandable considering the hostile factor the snake poses. You definitely got a point with your more favorable dissection of her character. I honestly think it's a mix of both her being too insecure and shy to show resistance (something that can't be changed easily and isn't particularly her fault) and her miming the victim in order to take advantage of people who fall for her enchanting appearance and help her out because, hey, it has always worked out for her so why not continue with that. A pretty convenient way to go through life, huh? That's not to say she is doing it purposefully or out of ill-will but it's rather something that has become her default action whenever such a situation occurs. She has simply become complacent at this point regardless whether it was on purpose the first time around she ever did it and I would also blame the people she interacted with at those times for not putting her into place, teaching her a healthier and constructive method for coping with unpleasant matters. As to your example with her offering passive resistance against being assinged the role of the class representative I actually got the impression that she simly doesn't care, based on her last few lines to the snake god that day which imply that rather than being unable to do something against the class situation, it is just too much of a hassle for her to be bothered by, the hint she wanted the deity to take without her having to spell it out to him. Though I won't deny that your impretation with her being so insecure as a person that she sees any actions by her as futile from the get-go, thus resulting in her inaction, is valid as well. Dodgers20 said: Altough, the way she agreed to co-operate with the snake is worth mentioning in my opinion, I mean she doesn't seem like to be that guilty towards the "sin" she commited, more like she co-operates in order to "just" make the snake go away and stop pressuring her, kind of like how she hides behind her bangs whenever she feels endangered by people she can't oppose to. To be fair, both Ougi and Shinobu have a point in their arguements considering how Sengoku isn't exactly aware how her actions and mindset can translate to some people, but I think there's more to Sengoku than just simply being lazy, irresponsible and/or naggy in general. This was one of the instances where I think her insincerity showed (other times where her apologies to Koyomi and Shinobu). It is not the fact that she makes mistakes that is bothersome but her lack of remorse which ties in being unresponsible. Rather than fully grasping the extent of her actions she wants to get over the negative consequences of them as quickly as possible by pretending to be sorry and thus no taking the core message to heart. It were indeed those conversations with Ougi and Shinobu which lead to my impression that Nadeko is severly lacking self-awareness and prefers to live a life of blissful ignorance. But I wholeheartedly agree, that it is too short-sighted to label her with just these negative traits without taking mitigating circumstances into account. In fact I am thankful that you decided to look at her character from a different perspective as I think only the mix of both aspects really brings out the complexity of Nadeko's personality (who would have thought that I would say that about Nadeko at the beginning of this arc, haha) |
EudaimoniaSep 29, 2013 10:40 AM
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| I must admit that I found the first half of this episode rather dull, but it made up with an excellent second half. Shinobu's verbal demolishing of Nadeko was hard hitting and almost painful to watch. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| That was an intense talk, Nadeko with Shinobu. Whoo. |
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| "What if Sengoku went extinct!" Logic lol. |
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| I like Nadeko more now. I sort of relate to her in some ways. Shinobu just popped out of nowhere. To be honest it feels more like shes jealous rather than trying to protect her from Araragi, otherwise she would do that a lot more often when he's around other girls. Although she did say Nadeko's only second to her in cuteness she also said she is in a way more powerful or freightening than an oddity. She may have also known about the snake being there and knew Araragi would be in danger but did not want to approach it directly for the moment. I'm not really looking too deep into it; just giving a different spin on things others wouldnt bother with looking at because they seem insignificant. I was a bit slow to pick this up but there is a bit of a contradiction in some things. Shinobu said Nadeko makes Koyomi worry because she plays the victim but she tried to lie to him so he wouldnt worry so does that show she is trying to change? |
traedSep 29, 2013 3:28 PM
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| Woo! Nadeko-service. I kind of wonder if Shinobu knows about the snake oddity... or maybe she is why it's "hiding". Either way, she just carried Koyomi off by the feet, dragging him (LOL). |
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| Shinobu has become the best character~ |
I have my own anime blog. It's called Anime Viking. Hope you'll you read it! |
| Damn, Shinobu was giving Nadeko the second degree. Harsh. |
 Vengeance of everyone's grudge. "I didn't add it to my list so I forgot I was watching that." - lpf |
| No OP this week? |
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| damn tokyo bill. ruined the fun. |
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CRadu said: Hm I suppose so. I must have been looking at it overly simplisticly.traed said: I was a bit slow to pick this up but there is a bit of a contradiction in some things. Shinobu said Nadeko makes Koyomi worry because she plays the victim but she tried to lie to him so he wouldnt worry so does that show she is trying to change? If she were, she wouldn't lie, and understand the fact that trying to keep people away from you, trying to go through all of it alone, will only burden those around you even more. Plus, both Shinobu and Ararararagi clearly see through her facade. |
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| Holy shit Shinobu just sank all of Nadeko's battleships! Including her shipping with Koyomi. KAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKAKA |
| The most normal episode I have seen so far. |
| Nadeko is getting a lashing. The next episode can't come fast enough! |
| Somehow this episode was kind of boring until Shinobu showed up with a punch XD. Well kind of Harsh of what Shinobu is saying to Nadeko in the ending scene. Hopefully next episode will be interesting. |
| "Second cutest to me!" indeed |
| Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember her, you are not alone. |
| Uh Shinobu sure is harsh |
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Eudaimonia said: As to your example with her offering passive resistance against being assinged the role of the class representative I actually got the impression that she simly doesn't care, based on her last few lines to the snake god that day which imply that rather than being unable to do something against the class situation, it is just too much of a hassle for her to be bothered by, the hint she wanted the deity to take without her having to spell it out to him. Though I won't deny that your impretation with her being so insecure as a person that she sees any actions by her as futile from the get-go, thus resulting in her inaction, is valid as well. I can see where are you coming from with the hint she wanted the snake god to get since it's obvious she haven't tried to fulfill her role, but I think the hint wasn't meant to indicate her raw disinterest in the matter, but it was more of a semi-polite way to tell the snake god to stop pestering her after he didn't get the message of Sengoku telling her he doesn't have to anything with the matter. She seems to be aware that both she and the teacher is at fault in this situation, and she tried to convience the snake god that there's no point of grilling the teacher when she's just as much of a part of the problem by not declining both roles (by saying "they weren't exactly forced me"). I can imagine she accepted the roles the same way she accepted the snake god's request ("it was an impossible request, but it was even more impossible to decline"), and while I think Sengoku can't be considered irresponsible by nature, it is however irresponsible to accept requests you know you're not qualified to fulfill, let alone keep on going and never letting the other party know that you can't fulfill their requests. This is where her passive, non ill-willed resistance comes into play, as well as your point about how she can be considered complacent, and how people failed to teach her how to properly cope with unpleasant matters: she got used to deal with these things by going with the flow and being other people's "chewtoy" by not defending herself or objecting at all (= saying "sorry", or just staying silent), hoping they'll leave her alone sooner once they're finished with what they wanted to say. Sure, she possibly gets mistakes forgiven sooner than other people, can unintentionally "enchant" people and living like this is a convinient method of doing so, but even so, the concept of fighting back is essentially a foreign concept to her, and so is the mindset to fully grasp the effects and impressions other people might feel from her actions. All ranting aside, I still agree that her past experiences are much more of a problem here than her core personality, one could say she's too child-like and naive to see that her way of thinking can be viewed from angles that make her appear not as good-natured and/or neutral as she believes. Eudaimonia said: This was one of the instances where I think her insincerity showed (other times where her apologies to Koyomi and Shinobu). It is not the fact that she makes mistakes that is bothersome but her lack of remorse which ties in being unresponsible. Rather than fully grasping the extent of her actions she wants to get over the negative consequences of them as quickly as possible by pretending to be sorry and thus no taking the core message to heart. Yeah, it seems to be true that any of these core messages can't make a point in her head, and I too get the impression this is because she's so afraid of people paying special attention to her that she just wants to sweep them under the rug and escape as soon as possible, with saying "sorry" or hiding behind her bangs being the default actions. Of course, the word "special" only means attention that is either malicious/questioning, or actively wants to help her, but the way she reacted to Shinobu's arguement makes it seem like that she views "special" attention as a burden, sort of like how she just wants to live in her own little, peaceful bubble where she doesn't want to offend or bother people, and where she doesn't want people to notice and question her. It's easier to notice this when she's trying to apologize or hide behind the bangs when people doubt her not ill-willed/weird intentions or make her want to do something she doesn't want to, but her reaction to Koyomi's and Shinobu's hospitality also indicates that she doesn't want to burden people, sort of like how Hanekawa never asked for help because she didn't wanted to take advantege of people. If there is any difference in them, is that how they approach remorse: Hanekawa is much more concerned about her own guilt than what people might think of her, and while Sengoku isn't exactly unaware of remorse either, she seems to be more occupied with the thought of not knowing how to handle people, and to just skip to the point where people stop paying attention(= posing danger) to her, thus unintentionally blocking out the lessons she might learn otherwise. This is why I mentioned the way she agreed to co-operate with the snake god: I'm fairly sure there's remorse in there, but she seems to be more driven by the intention to make the snake god go away without pissing him off, even though she shows signs of getting slowly, but timidly fed up with him. Which, to be fair, isn't a surprise when she has to search for something she doesn't have any info about while being pestered by a deity who can't keep his mouth shut, even if this deity appears to be playing it safe by being tolerant towards Sengoku's reluctancy. Eudaimonia said: It were indeed those conversations with Ougi and Shinobu which lead to my impression that Nadeko is severly lacking self-awareness and prefers to live a life of blissful ignorance. Saying "sorry" (or just staying silent) that frequently does have it's negative effects, in the meaning that it makes it harder for people to figure out what she wants to say or how she feels, and this of course can lead people to misunderstand her, or even treat her far differently than she is. I would go as far to say she just not ready to face reality where every action can influence how a person is judged, and she's certainly too insecure/not mature enough to face this fact when making her intention/opinion clear to an other person is already an ordeal to her, let alone refute a claim that is a personal insult in her eyes (notice the way her eyes snap at Shinobu when she laughs at her, and the somewhat irritated look she has when Shinobu starts grilling her). That said, Shinobu still has a point considering Sengoku's naive and child-like nature is effectively the only thing that seperates her from someone who is deliberately insincere, and plays with people like they're musical instruments. Of course, she lying to Koyomi twists things around a little and a sense of guilt may have worked in her in that scene, but the way the scene played out, Sengoku seemed to be more concerned by Shinobu's raw attack on her person, rather than the possibility that she might have noticed the snake god, and this was her way to indirectly make Sengoku crack. Eudaimonia said: But I wholeheartedly agree, that it is too short-sighted to label her with just these negative traits without taking mitigating circumstances into account. In fact I am thankful that you decided to look at her character from a different perspective as I think only the mix of both aspects really brings out the complexity of Nadeko's personality (who would have thought that I would say that about Nadeko at the beginning of this arc, haha) Tell me about it: Otorimono wasn't as anticipated for me due to how Sengoku felt like the fifth wheel of the franchise who didn't received the same amount of polish as Bakemono's other four girls did, but I have to say, I wasn't expecting an improvement so large there will be an actual reason to have an actual, multi-angled discussion about her. :) To be fair, Nekomono:Shiro already did a good job at concentrating on an established character and giving a different, deeper perspective on that character, and while Otorimono does a similarly good job so far, I think it deserves bonus credit for doing such a good work despite not having the luxury of using the character's previous appearences/arcs as a base to build upon (in all honesty, I think Sengoku's previous appearences are useless, lazy attempts at characterisation at best, especially compared to what Tsubasa Cat/Nekomono:Kuro did). |
| Pretty much loaded with chara developpment on Nadeko, makes her better than your average shriking violet. Loved the 4th wall breaking with Tokyo bill Also monitoring the commentaries on Nadeko's charadev in this thread with utmost interest, too bad i don't have time to participate |
Dodgers20 said: To be fair, Nekomono:Shiro already did a good job at concentrating on an established character and giving a different, deeper perspective on that character, and while Otorimono does a similarly good job so far, I think it deserves bonus credit for doing such a good work despite not having the luxury of using the character's previous appearences/arcs as a base to build upon (in all honesty, I think Sengoku's previous appearences are useless, lazy attempts at characterisation at best, especially compared to what Tsubasa Cat/Nekomono:Kuro did). A lot of anime-only viewers complained that the characters in Bakemonogatari and its supposed prequel, in this case, Nekomonogatari Kuro were not properly and fully established. While your points can be considered as a good pov than anyone else's here (oh, trust me, yours are the one so far, which has good points and pov on the plot and the characters themselves), you need to be aware that Bakemonogatari is just the introductory chapters to the franchise. It is merely to introduce the characters and a little bit of their psychologies and behaviors towards their surroundings. Dodgers20 said: I think Sengoku's previous appearences are useless, lazy attempts at characterisation at best, especially compared to what Tsubasa Cat/Nekomono:Kuro did). This actually lies on the failure of SHAFT while adapting the Nadeko Medusa arc into anime. SHAFT changed the perspective view to Araragi and let Araragi narrated the whole arc in the anime. This changes the mood of the arc itself as most of Nadeko's psychology is not shown in the arc. However, you can sense the fine establishment of her character in the original novel, as Nadeko is the one who narrated the whole Nadeko Snake arc, just like in this current arc. |
MyAmy said: Uh Shinobu sure is harsh Yup. My god, this show's dialog are just too awesome... This episode reminded me of why I love Monogatari in the first place. |
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yukaru00 said: This seems odd considering that they let Hanekawa do her Nekomonogatari Shiro arc. Makes me worried about what they're going to do with Koimonogatari.... This actually lies on the failure of SHAFT while adapting the Nadeko Medusa arc into anime. SHAFT changed the perspective view to Araragi and let Araragi narrated the whole arc in the anime. This changes the mood of the arc itself as most of Nadeko's psychology is not shown in the arc. However, you can sense the fine establishment of her character in the original novel, as Nadeko is the one who narrated the whole Nadeko Snake arc, just like in this current arc. Not sure about this season. Enjoyable but so far it doesn't seem to be on the same level as some of the past adaptations. So far I have preferred the books aside from a few choice scenes. Too much cutting, if the recap episodes had been used to fill out the series perhaps that would have helped but I'm not sure if it isn't due to other series composition direction decisions that have been made. |
hpulley said: This seems odd considering that they let Hanekawa do her Nekomonogatari Shiro arc. Makes me worried about what they're going to do with Koimonogatari. Not sure about this season. Enjoyable but so far it doesn't seem to be on the same level as some of the past adaptations. So far I have preferred the books aside from a few choice scenes. Too much cutting, if the recap episodes had been used to fill out the series perhaps that would have helped but I'm not sure if it isn't due to other series composition direction decisions that have been made. I am seriously disappointed in Kabuki adaptation. It is far from being a good adaptation actually. So, I feel the same as you do, somehow. |
| Based snake with the Kanye 'HAANNHH". Forgot it was 5 am and burst out laughing when Shinobu popped out of nowhere and prevented Araragi from doing illegal things. Lovin' the new dress. Nadeko is just so damn cute. Moe done right. |
| it's a shame Genshiken Nidaime has ended would of loved to see sue copy Shinobu's vampire punch. still trying to work out how Araragi thinks he will get his ass kicked if he lets Sengoku sleep under the bed but all fine if thay sleep together. i would say Araragi is lolicon but compared to Shinobu who is 500 + years old and wants to jump a shota Araragi there is just no mach Shinobu has got to be the ultimate lolicon |
| Hanekawa tried to stretch herself to the limits, after that her facial expression became resolute, and in that state she inserted her hands inside the hem of the pleated skirt of her uniform. I thought she would once again flip up her skirt for me, but, no matter what, Hanekawa didn't do such a thing devoid of logical connection. Instead she took off her panties. |
| Did I really just wait a whole week for a f***ing flashback? |
Nasty001 said: If that's the case....I wonder if Koyomi is peeking underneath Tsukihi's short yukata while she's on her cell? Oh my god, is that really the case? Fuck. |
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Stitches327 said: Shinobu's breakdown of Nadeko's character was awesome. That back and forth was quite nice and shed some much needed light on Nadeko's character. Shinobu giving Araragi an uppercut was great, had me laughing. This was 5/5 episode for me. My exact thoughts. Like some people already said, this episode made me appreciate her character more and see her in a different light. 5/5 I would have to say, this is looking exceptionally great. It below my expectations, it made me like most of the characters a lot more, I have no complaints about Monogatari second season. And I hope it ends on a high note with Hitagi's arc. |
tsudecimoOct 2, 2013 11:08 AM
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| Shinobu was great. |
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| I loved this episode and i agree with everyone about liking Shinobu's break down of Nadeko. |
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| Oh, some nice development of Nadeko. It was a lot "meh" for me until now. I'm looking forward for more. |
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hpulley said: Shimbo confirmed in an interview that they needed the recap episode for breathing space for this (for Shaft) unusual 2-cour schedule, which means the recap episodes are there precisely because they don't want to do much work in the one week between the arcs. Too much cutting, if the recap episodes had been used to fill out the series perhaps that would have helped but I'm not sure if it isn't due to other series composition direction decisions that have been made. Anyway, I can see this arc is heading to be the best adapted arcs in Season 2.... |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: hpulley said: Shimbo confirmed in an interview that they needed the recap episode for breathing space for this (for Shaft) unusual 2-cour schedule, which means the recap episodes are there precisely because they don't want to do much work in the one week between the arcs. Too much cutting, if the recap episodes had been used to fill out the series perhaps that would have helped but I'm not sure if it isn't due to other series composition direction decisions that have been made. Anyway, I can see this arc is heading to be the best adapted arcs in Season 2.... Obviously. |
| Finally again an episode that was watchable, the best one so far :D |
| Nadeko-chan! Hanazawa does a great job as always! |
| Loved that 'Vampire Punch' ^_^ Very good episode. I do wonder how much Araragi has already figured out. |
yukaru00 said: Dodgers20 said: To be fair, Nekomono:Shiro already did a good job at concentrating on an established character and giving a different, deeper perspective on that character, and while Otorimono does a similarly good job so far, I think it deserves bonus credit for doing such a good work despite not having the luxury of using the character's previous appearences/arcs as a base to build upon (in all honesty, I think Sengoku's previous appearences are useless, lazy attempts at characterisation at best, especially compared to what Tsubasa Cat/Nekomono:Kuro did). A lot of anime-only viewers complained that the characters in Bakemonogatari and its supposed prequel, in this case, Nekomonogatari Kuro were not properly and fully established. While your points can be considered as a good pov than anyone else's here (oh, trust me, yours are the one so far, which has good points and pov on the plot and the characters themselves), you need to be aware that Bakemonogatari is just the introductory chapters to the franchise. It is merely to introduce the characters and a little bit of their psychologies and behaviors towards their surroundings. Dodgers20 said: I think Sengoku's previous appearences are useless, lazy attempts at characterisation at best, especially compared to what Tsubasa Cat/Nekomono:Kuro did). This actually lies on the failure of SHAFT while adapting the Nadeko Medusa arc into anime. SHAFT changed the perspective view to Araragi and let Araragi narrated the whole arc in the anime. This changes the mood of the arc itself as most of Nadeko's psychology is not shown in the arc. However, you can sense the fine establishment of her character in the original novel, as Nadeko is the one who narrated the whole Nadeko Snake arc, just like in this current arc. I am aware that Bake was the introductory phase of the story and it was meant to set the stage up for future developments, it's just that Sengoku's arc in Bake was the only one for me that didn't delivered this kind of punch, it felt more like a side-story with a random victim than an actual story arc whose events and main character could play a larger role in the future. Up to this point I thought this was because that arc was written half-heartedly, but it appears I was hasty with my judgement as an anime-only viewer, because this is actually the first time I heard that Shaft changed Nadeko Snake this much (aside of making the TV version atrocious production value-wise). I admit I was lazy when I said Otori deserves bonus credit compared to Neko:Shiro (even though I still prefer these two arcs over Kabuki, no matter how much I liked it), but even so, that doesn't take my impression away that the arc has changed my opinion about Sengoku, and it made me appriciate her just as much as the vast majority of the characters. And that includes the curiousity of learning about the character as well, instead of whining about "aw, why she's the main character?" or "when will x or y show up?". |
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