Monogatari Series: Second Season Episode 12 Discussion

Nachtwandler_21 said:
It's funny that they made Nadeko's OP look very similar to her Bakemonogatari OP. BTW could someone tell me the name of the song?
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GoldenBlut said:
Easily one of the best episodes so far. And the OP was a lot better than the other two.

Sengoku looks amazing with those red glowing eyes and the white hair. And I feel so sorry for her.

Really excited to see what made Koyomi so determined on killing her. He has been readily risking his life for the sake of others and now he actually tries to kill someone actively. Oh, poor Sengoku.

GoldenBlut said:

Really excited to see what made Koyomi so determined on killing her. He has been readily risking his life for the sake of others and now he actually tries to kill someone actively. Oh, poor Sengoku.

yukaru00 said:


Yeah. I'm sure that you'll be surprised after you know the reason behind Araragi motive in 'killing' Nadeko.

Marzan said:
This episode had a dark and ominous feel to it. Nadeko didn't do anything for me as a protagonist in Bakemono, but I think this arc might turn out to be very, very good. Already that beginning makes it pretty special. Look forward to next week.

A question for those who've read the LN's. Is it ever stated if Nadeko is aware at this point that Araragi has a girlfriend in Senjougahara?

Eudaimonia said:


Oh, I probably shoud have elaborated more on that matter. I didn't intend to make it sound like these two characters' problems were comparable by any means but rather the way we, the audience, got to witness their progress throughout their respective arcs. As to the themes I pointed out it it's just speculation anyway since I'm not familiar with the source material but since they were brought up so often in this episode I assumed these would be the main elements concerning Nadeko's grouwth as a character.

Xinception said:

Wait....

Reaper71 said:

Question for LN readers: What comes after this? I heard something about Onimonogatari.

yukaru00 said:


That is one thing. There is another definite reason for Araragi to kill/stop Nadeko.

Esura said:

If you don't mind, could you PM me the reason? Curiosity is strong as hell for this and it would be a bit rude of me to ask even a spoiler tag of it in this board.

Eudaimonia said:
Surprise surprise, with a single episode Nadeko has transformed into a more compelling character than she had been during all the time up until now, quite literally even.

► The themes for this arc appear to be victimhood and responsibility. Whereas five episodes were needed for Hanekawa to realize what she has been surpressing unconsciously we already get to see the end of the process Nadeko will be going through.

Not being able to think of anything problematic that could have triggered the snake incidents or even searching for a cause within herself we get to see how she puts all the blame for what's happened on herself in the intro, doing exactly what the apparition has ordered her to do, which is to atone.

Ironically this has turned her from the victim she has been portrayed as during all this time into a perpetrator, and the following episodes will have to fill the gaps to explain her change of mind (and body). Also notice how she doesn't even try to beg for foregiveness (as the apparition pointed out correctly) when she encounters the giant snake while she apologizes several times when Koyomi calls her out on one odd but otherwise inconspicious remark of her.

► I'm under the impression that this episode has been much more dialogue-heavy than usual though I don't mind personally as it helped to flesh out Nadeko's personality.
What struck me the most is how isolated she is. She has been the one with the least amount of interactions with anybody from the main cast to begin with and the inclusion of her anonymised class mates (an anomaly in the Monogatari universe with perpetually empty streets and building aside from the main characters) showcased how withdrawn and distant Nadeko is from them in reality rather than making the scenes more lively.

Going to school is an unpleasant experience for her and human interactions with anyone, even with Koyomi, are defined by her social anxiety.
In this regard she really resembles Tomoko from WataMote though their outer appearance couldn't differ more.

► Ougi Oshino remains as ominious as ever. Even with her more friendly approach compared to how she spoke to Koyomi she feels oddly out of place with her over-sized school uniform and lifeless eyes and her last few sentences can't be perceived as anything but as menacing.

The pendulum and Nadeko's remark on how more time has passed than she had thought seem to suggest that she has some hypnotizing ability. Who knows maybe she's even the one who triggered the whole thing with her talk about staying a victim and hinting at some skeletons Nadeko might have in her closet, making her more than the innocent victim she has been depicted as (I do wonder if it will be revealed what Nadeko tried to hide from Koyomi in her actual closet back in Nisemonogatari).

► The visuals for the new ED look great btw, depicting Medusa Nadeko descending in an elevator-like chamber down the ocean and falling into a deep slumber. In contrast the OP feels almost nauseously twisted with the mud-like colour palette and uncanny song.

Niyari said:
Meme's niece creeps me out in the worst way possible

Eudaimonia said:

► I'm under the impression that this episode has been much more dialogue-heavy than usual though I don't mind personally as it helped to flesh out Nadeko's personality.

► The visuals for the new ED look great btw, depicting Medusa Nadeko descending in an elevator-like chamber down the ocean and falling into a deep slumber.

AlexTheRiot said:
Also I just wanted to bitch about how they fucked up the letter(and pretty much the entire arc+her character development) because I still haven't gotten over it.

Villetta_Nu said:
If Nadeko kills Koyomi, she better either leave Earth or commit suicide because Senjougahara will tear her to shreds and feed her to the snakes.

Raphow said:
still don't get why the monogatari series is popular, fuck me right?

AirStyles said:
EEEEEE!!!!!! THOSE FUCKING SNAKES KEEP POPPING OUT OF NO WHERE!!!

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What's happening to my sweet Nadeko?! She's not ganna die right? RIGHT?!

Please be safe Nadeko!!

pikeman1 said:


nah, you should worry about life and death of Koyomi
Nadeko is basically a god now, what can kill her, anyway

pikeman1 said:


nah, you should worry about life and death of Koyomi
Nadeko is basically a god now, what can kill her, anyway

Grouchio said:

A con man.