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Sep 21, 2013 8:25 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Holy shit, that was an epic start. I'm liking this arc already. Dat snake: http://i.imgur.com/SMmtGrz.png

I kinda like the new OP song as well. Nadeko looks great in it imo. I feel for Nadeko and her depression though ;.;
Great to see Oshino Ougi this episode too. She's sort of what I imagined her to be.

I loved the style of the ED song as well.

 
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Sep 21, 2013 8:30 AM

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Just caught up. Looking forward to the arc, have been hearing about it before second season was announced :).
 
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Sep 21, 2013 8:46 AM

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Sep 21, 2013 9:21 AM

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New OP is the best of Second Season so far. It's so fucking unnerving.
 
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Sep 21, 2013 9:50 AM

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Loved this episode. This can really make up for the horrible pacing of Kabuki arc (anime).
 
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Sep 21, 2013 9:55 AM

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finally it has started :3
damn it is gonna be awesome :3

HMM ..!

after watching the episode!
God what a beginning in this episode..
it is really fucking cool.. I REALLY WANT THE BD VERSION!~! XD
about the episode.. God.. I really wonder what gonna happen to koyomi and shinobu.. please show me a good / okay end shaft :3
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Sep 21, 2013 10:37 AM

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Loved this episode. This can really make up for the horrible pacing of Kabuki arc (anime).
Indeed. Though this time they actually went SHORTER than I thought, only 66 pages. I thought they'd go another chapter. Just 10 pages shorter than I thought, very reasonable for 4 episodes.

VOFAN end card, showing why the original character designer is often the best.

May need to pick up that new ED CD!
 
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Sep 21, 2013 11:49 AM
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Welp...

It was nice seeing Nadeko again.

 
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Sep 21, 2013 11:59 AM

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0.0 WOW. That was one hell of an intro scene. And I love how the new opening is more dark and ominous compared to the others this season. Also love how it's backwards to the nadeko snake opening (Walking backwards, taking off the headband, and probably many more I haven't caught)

I gotta get my hands on the juicy OST <3

5/5
 
Sep 21, 2013 12:42 PM

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In pretty much every fight Koyomi has ever been in, he's been brutally beaten and never really touches his opponent, so I wasn't surprised to see that trend continue at the beginning of the episode.
 
Sep 21, 2013 12:50 PM

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holy ****, nadeko is the antagonist in her own arc, but i think the trigger for it all is her meeting with oshino ougi...



EDIT: what i meant was how i like she was portrayed as an antagonist in her own arc, i already read a little bit of spoilers before
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Sep 21, 2013 12:51 PM
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Man i love how the OP feels like the Original but 100% more ominous, evil, depressing etc.
 
Sep 21, 2013 1:15 PM

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I didn't really like this episode except for the beginning for some reason.
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Sep 21, 2013 1:17 PM

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Holy shit this is going to be awesome, I loved how the beginning of the episode was.
 
Sep 21, 2013 1:31 PM

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Looks like a great start. And MORE OSHINO OUGI YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
 
Sep 21, 2013 1:51 PM

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Great start, I am really excited for this arc. I liked how the new Nadeko OP was the exact opposite of her OP from bakemonogatari, it really seems to fit the general mood so far. Kinda curious about the lyrics aswell.
 
Sep 21, 2013 1:53 PM
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Surprise surprise, with a single episode Nadeko has transformed into a more compelling character than she had been during all the time up until now, quite literally even.

► The themes for this arc appear to be victimhood and responsibility. Whereas five episodes were needed for Hanekawa to realize what she has been surpressing unconsciously we already get to see the end of the process Nadeko will be going through.

Not being able to think of anything problematic that could have triggered the snake incidents or even searching for a cause within herself we get to see how she puts all the blame for what's happened on herself in the intro, doing exactly what the apparition has ordered her to do, which is to atone.

Ironically this has turned her from the victim she has been portrayed as during all this time into a perpetrator, and the following episodes will have to fill the gaps to explain her change of mind (and body). Also notice how she doesn't even try to beg for foregiveness (as the apparition pointed out correctly) when she encounters the giant snake while she apologizes several times when Koyomi calls her out on one odd but otherwise inconspicious remark of her.

► I'm under the impression that this episode has been much more dialogue-heavy than usual though I don't mind personally as it helped to flesh out Nadeko's personality.
What struck me the most is how isolated she is. She has been the one with the least amount of interactions with anybody from the main cast to begin with and the inclusion of her anonymised class mates (an anomaly in the Monogatari universe with perpetually empty streets and building aside from the main characters) showcased how withdrawn and distant Nadeko is from them in reality rather than making the scenes more lively.

Going to school is an unpleasant experience for her and human interactions with anyone, even with Koyomi, are defined by her social anxiety.
In this regard she really resembles Tomoko from WataMote though their outer appearance couldn't differ more.

► Ougi Oshino remains as ominious as ever. Even with her more friendly approach compared to how she spoke to Koyomi she feels oddly out of place with her over-sized school uniform and lifeless eyes and her last few sentences can't be perceived as anything but as menacing.

The pendulum and Nadeko's remark on how more time has passed than she had thought seem to suggest that she has some hypnotizing ability. Who knows maybe she's even the one who triggered the whole thing with her talk about staying a victim and hinting at some skeletons Nadeko might have in her closet, making her more than the innocent victim she has been depicted as (I do wonder if it will be revealed what Nadeko tried to hide from Koyomi in her actual closet back in Nisemonogatari).

► The visuals for the new ED look great btw, depicting Medusa Nadeko descending in an elevator-like chamber down the ocean and falling into a deep slumber. In contrast the OP feels almost nauseously twisted with the mud-like colour palette and uncanny song.
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Sep 21, 2013 2:07 PM

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The beginning of the episode was crazy.
 
Sep 21, 2013 2:10 PM

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Loved the episode, it feels like the series finally picked up the pace again. I didn't dislike that Hachikuji arc, but it somehow felt still more sloppy than monogatari series should be. Hanekawa arc was kinda bad.

But above everything else, DAT OPENING! :O When it started to play I was immediately sold. Definitely one of the best Monogatari openings this far. There can't enough words of praise for this OP.
 
Sep 21, 2013 2:35 PM

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MY DARLING SENGOKU WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU???

The buildup is going to be unbearable.
 
Sep 21, 2013 3:08 PM
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Epic beggining, good opening then it got just boring, to much talking and to little happening. Still i can't stop watching the monogatari series. In the end i got alittle better so i look forward for this arc
 
Sep 21, 2013 3:59 PM

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I kinda like this episode more then the whole 2 arcs we've had thus far.

I just love snakes.
 
Sep 21, 2013 4:17 PM

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Yes, great episode.
I think this is the best OP this season, still not as good as others.
 
Sep 21, 2013 6:31 PM
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Oh, its Nadeko this time and it looks like those snake she sacrificed are looking for some payback.
 
Sep 21, 2013 6:51 PM

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Very good episode 5/5, the OP was amazing too. This arc seems to be paced well too....Ougi Oshino looks creepy as hell...need to see more of her LOL
 
Sep 21, 2013 7:26 PM

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Being Nadeko is suffering.
 
Sep 21, 2013 7:43 PM
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Being Nadeko is suffering.


Well, since there is no going back, she's pretty much screwed forever.
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Sep 21, 2013 7:59 PM

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Omg that opening I can't stop rewatching it.
My sweet little nadeko became the bad guy of the story, I like it.
 
Sep 21, 2013 8:19 PM

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my fav arc so far this season
 
Sep 21, 2013 8:28 PM

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► The themes for this arc appear to be victimhood and responsibility. Whereas five episodes were needed for Hanekawa to realize what she has been surpressing unconsciously we already get to see the end of the process Nadeko will be going through.
Terrible comparison. Completely different situations. Victimhood and responsibility were just necessary to get things going here. It isn't any revelation. Hanekawa's whole thing was finding what she had cut away,and realizing how long she had been pushing her negative feelings onto her other selves. The anime just fucked up the scale of it by removing the confession of abuse from the letter.
 
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Make a contract with me and become a magical yandere!
 
Sep 21, 2013 9:06 PM

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I've been waiting for more content on Nadeko-chan and it's finally here :D I love the -monogatari series for having such a awesome cast of characters; everyone, bar no one, is interesting. Even the adorable Sengoku who didn't have much content earlier is now in the spotlight. LOVE THIS SERIES <3
 
Sep 21, 2013 9:13 PM

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what a great opening. Can't wait for next episode :D

 
Sep 21, 2013 9:37 PM

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Not a Nadeko fan. I can only hope this will be a short arc. 3/5
 
Sep 21, 2013 9:40 PM

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just WOW

i start to hate nadeko now, i was feeling okok for her in the past
but... i dislike her now,,,,, i guess
 
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At first I was surprised to find Nadeko was the antagonist, but after some thought it doesn't seem that far fetched given her personality. Not surprised Araragi was bloody and beaten up, its like he's only good as a punching bag.
 
Sep 21, 2013 10:34 PM

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Koyomi & Shinobu vs Sengoku?! It's going down! And wow that snake is huge.
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Sep 21, 2013 10:34 PM

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OP is the dark ver. of renai circulation
 
Sep 21, 2013 11:10 PM

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holy sh*t Nadeko is going yandere O.o
 
Sep 21, 2013 11:15 PM

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At first I was surprised to find Nadeko was the antagonist, but after some thought it doesn't seem that far fetched given her personality. Not surprised Araragi was bloody and beaten up, its like he's only good as a punching bag.


Well, he got to win and look cool at the end of Tsubasa Tiger, but other than that and in Kizumonogatari, yeah he just keeps getting the shit beat out of him.
 
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It's funny that they made Nadeko's OP look very similar to her Bakemonogatari OP. BTW could someone tell me the name of the song?

Ougi pisses me off. She always tells the right things but in most unfitting time, making things worser.
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I'm gonna let you finish, but all I wanna say is, this episode is the best produced for the entire season so far.

It totally makes up for the recap episodes (which I actually liked since it has been a while and many other anime since I watched the previous seasons), and I guess it shows where all the budget was directed this season!
 
Sep 22, 2013 12:00 AM
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Nadeko had liked Araragi before, yet now she is his enemy due to the snake deity? Since she killed 100,000 snakes, it's understandable the snake deity held a grudge against her. But the reason she killed so many snakes is because the deity possessed her at first and she attempted to exorcise the deity from herself by killing snakes? In this respect, she was like a victim of car accident. (In this case, a victim of the snake accident.) I feel sorry for her.
 
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Damn the intro of the episode, that was unexpected, and so gory.

So the the start of Nadeko's arc with the new opening and ending, looks promising. I have a feeling something bad is going to happen when Nadeko cooperating with Kuchinawa.

 
Sep 22, 2013 12:16 AM

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Damn....Nadeko is so innocent and pure....how could she do such a thing!

It's always the quiet ones who go crazy....

Looking forward to seeing how this turns out.
 
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AlexTheRiot said:
Eudaimonia said:


► The themes for this arc appear to be victimhood and responsibility. Whereas five episodes were needed for Hanekawa to realize what she has been surpressing unconsciously we already get to see the end of the process Nadeko will be going through.
Terrible comparison. Completely different situations. Victimhood and responsibility were just necessary to get things going here. It isn't any revelation. Hanekawa's whole thing was finding what she had cut away,and realizing how long she had been pushing her negative feelings onto her other selves. The anime just fucked up the scale of it by removing the confession of abuse from the letter.


Oh, I probably shoud have elaborated more on that matter. I didn't intend to make it sound like these two characters' problems were comparable by any means but rather the way we, the audience, got to witness their progress throughout their respective arcs. As to the themes I pointed out it it's just speculation anyway since I'm not familiar with the source material but since they were brought up so often in this episode I assumed these would be the main elements concerning Nadeko's grouwth as a character.
 
Sep 22, 2013 12:31 AM
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The beginning of the episode was crazy.


that heart stab and that blood bath lol
 
Sep 22, 2013 12:47 AM
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Not a Nadeko fan. I can only hope this will be a short arc. 3/5

Ya, me too. Don't like her at all, and waiting for the next arc.
 
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SuMm said:
fackifiknow said:
Not a Nadeko fan. I can only hope this will be a short arc. 3/5

Ya, me too. Don't like her at all, and waiting for the next arc.


Hmmh then you might not like koimonogatari either since otori and koimonogatari are connected with Nadeko as the antagonist
 
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Finally my favourite character from Monogatari series gets her screentime . I've waited so long for this arc. BTW i love the opening song :3
 
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