| That's an extraordinarily vague definition and completely subjective, after reading your post I still don't have a clue as to what you regard as being innovative enough to meet your standards. Personally I think that innovation comes through thousands of small steps and that we've been seeing it happen in the anime industry for decades. You can certainly see the changes in animation, craft and even the expansion of ideas and storytelling if you go back and watch old anime. There are also a lot more storytelling niches being filled today than in the past. As for noticeable innovation we had Land of Lustrous just last season which I regard as pretty innovative in 3D animation terms. |
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teruu said: Gymkata said: For the sake of definition - what do you consider "innovative" and "creative"? innovative ˈɪnəvətɪv/Submit adjective (of a product, idea, etc.) featuring new methods; advanced and original. "innovative designs" (of a person) introducing new ideas; original and creative in thinking. "writers who are now viewed as innovative" synonyms: original, innovatory, innovational, new, novel, fresh, unconventional, unorthodox, off-centre, unusual, unfamiliar, unprecedented, avant-garde, experimental, inventive, ingenious; More creativity ˌkriːeɪˈtɪvɪti/Submit noun the use of imagination or original ideas to create something; inventiveness. "firms are keen to encourage creativity" synonyms: inventiveness, imagination, imaginativeness, innovation, innovativeness, originality, individuality; More Thanks for the clarification. I'm totally clear now LOL. I think you're gonna have to expand on that if you're actually serious about this |
Chimerared said: That's an extraordinarily vague definition and completely subjective, after reading your post I still don't have a clue as to what you regard as being innovative enough to meet your standards. Personally I think that innovation comes through thousands of small steps and that we've been seeing it happen in the anime industry for decades. You can certainly see the changes in animation, craft and even the expansion of ideas and storytelling if you go back and watch old anime. There are also a lot more storytelling niches being filled today than in the past. As for noticeable innovation we had Land of Lustrous just last season which I regard as pretty innovative in 3D animation terms. Just so you know olden anime was considered far more successful than anything recent created. Most manga writers have already attested to this and claim inspiration from them |
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teruu said: Might just be because there's been enough time to say what older things were successful, but the dust hasn't settled on recent history yet?Just so you know olden anime was considered far more successful than anything recent created. |
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GlennMagusHarvey said: teruu said: Might just be because there's been enough time to say what older things were successful, but the dust hasn't settled on recent history yet?Just so you know olden anime was considered far more successful than anything recent created. Indeed that could be the case. But modern anime screams lack of innovation and creativity which is why it keeps selling to the same audience. And that audience would purchase anything as long as it appeals to their perverted senses. This is the reason why such anime are able to even be made despite heavy costs In the modern entertainment of the West, a hypersexualised unseeming plot would not last even a single rating as most people would refuse to even air it. That shows the amount of competition and strictness to be innovative which anime does not have as otakus purchase everything as long it's labelled 'anime'. |
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| Are you sick and tired of lolis and harem anime? Have your own. Too bad, can't have them because your just one of the beta cuck MC, as you refer to them. Ohh well, it's just probably me who thinks of this. |
PraetorPat said: Yeah....U r rightwell it depends on who you ask and what studios, for instance some studios like to play it safe where others like to take gambles but one things for sure is that there is too many coming out per season. its like the shotgun effect, you shoot out multiple shows and hope one hits In present studios are focusing on quantity rather than quality. If they reduce no. of anime per season then they can easily manage workload and budget. |
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teruu said: But one could say the same thing of western live-action TV and movies, just with a different set of tropes. And one could say the same thing of western pop music, just with a different set of tropes. And one could say the same thing of big-budget western videogames, just with a different set of tropes. And so on.GlennMagusHarvey said: Might just be because there's been enough time to say what older things were successful, but the dust hasn't settled on recent history yet? Indeed that could be the case. But modern anime screams lack of innovation and creativity which is why it keeps selling to the same audience. And that audience would purchase anything as long as it appeals to their perverted senses. This is the reason why such anime are able to even be made despite heavy costs In the modern entertainment of the West, a hypersexualised unseeming plot would not last even a single rating as most people would refuse to even air it. That shows the amount of competition and strictness to be innovative which anime does not have as otakus purchase everything as long it's labelled 'anime'. Anyhow, I've never agreed with the general notion of "modern anime lacks creativity" because it's the generic "modern times are worse than the good old days". Maybe I just haven't seen enough anime to see overall trends, but rather, I'd bet that rose-coloured glasses for the past are involved. Rather, like I said in my earlier post, I think a more relevant criticism would be to say that some anime series these days have "turned inward" toward the medium's common tropes and tried to play off of them too much, resulting in a greater number of self-aware or medium-referential comments that may appeal to people who are already fans but turn away newcomers. Then again, we've had series like this back in the day too -- Lucky Star and Excel Saga are probably the best examples. |
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teruu said: Stop!! Just stop!! You are at this point, trying to make threads to boost your popularity.In the mainstream society it is very clear that anime is a subculture instead of a mainstream brand. That is why anime tends to have much more hardcore fans. However lately anime fans have kept telling me anime only carters to the interests of the Japanese people. Japanese otaku do not generally enjoy their hobbies openly. Most of them quietly obsess over their favorite shows and characters and voice actors at home, and with their own subset of like-minded friends, either in small groups or online. Many otaku are harshly judged for being anime fans by peers and co-workers. There have been lots of tabloid TV news stories about otaku, and due to a handful of ugly incidents involving offenders that were into anime and eroge, many people think that the whole scene is something to be ashamed of. Do you think anime is lacking innovation due to it catering towards only its already hardcore fans who will purchase out of love for the anime kingdom rather than actual likeliness to the story? This quote beautifully also proves that contrary to popular belief, anime is not the world of Japan like anime fans may believe. While you can find Naruto and Gundam and One Piece stuff everywhere in Japan, the vast majority of anime merchandise can only be found in places like Akihabara, or Maiden Road in Ikebukuro or Nakano Broadway or Den Den Town in Osaka. It is, by and large, a subculture, mostly tucked out of the way of public view. It is not mainstream. It is a subculture, and in that sense, it's very similar to how anime is in the United States. Many people have claimed that the anime industry is vastly successful despite being a niche, is the otaku movement the reason for this? Because as I have made clear before, anime is a subculture. |
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Knightmare_YK said: >Anime lacks innovation and creativity >Mahou shoujo ore releases this spring. GTFO Looking for this comment Thank you sir |
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| Creativity is hard and there is a shortage of it in every medium. |
| With hundreds of shows coming out every year it's hard to be creative but ones in a while there may come out a few interesting or creative shows. This is like what your 5th or 6th thread complaining about anime OP you don't get tired do you. |
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alias08 said: With hundreds of shows coming out every year it's hard to be creative but ones in a while there may come out a few interesting or creative shows. With 100 of shows coming out it's hundreds of opportunity to be creative. Each of them missing out shows that anime is clearly lacking and fundamentally flawed in its production. |
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teruu said: alias08 said: With hundreds of shows coming out every year it's hard to be creative but ones in a while there may come out a few interesting or creative shows. With 100 of shows coming out it's hundreds of opportunity to be creative. Each of them missing out shows that anime is clearly lacking and fundamentally flawed in its production. And you have watched all these shows, of course. |
| This is why casual and normie like you that watched below 50 anime shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion. |
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| You have seen 27 shows, maybe 2 of which are anything but incredibly mainstream. Do you really think someone who has seen only 27 movies is able to make educated comments on the American movie industry? Go watch Haibane Renmei or something. |
simonephone said: You have seen 27 shows, maybe 2 of which are anything but incredibly mainstream. Do you really think someone who has seen only 27 movies is able to make educated comments on the American movie industry? Go watch Haibane Renmei or something. Hainbane Renmei is also super casual though |
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| Clearly, you've never seen Hand Shakers But in all seriousness, this isn't only an issue present in the anime industry. Hollywood is experiencing the same dilemma considering all the cookie-cutter superhero films and reboots/sequels of popular franchises such as Star Wars, Ghostbusters, etc. that dominate the box office. Plus, you've only seen seen 34 anime..watch more before you jump to such brash conclusions lol. |
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| because 1,000 people with good taste can't affort to support a smart anime so Studios don't risk Maybe they should make a kickstarter for Anime so an innovative anime gets founded Also even the Anime that starterd the trend get's marked as cliché so it all depends on the order you watch things |
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| Unfortunately because making sequels of things already financially successful is a safer bet |
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| As long as they pander to otaku perverted fantasies, yeah. A lot of them have interesting ideas that could potentially create an interesting story but most of them suck at execution due to their tendency to turn everything into a harem clusterfuck. "Isekai" is the most notable one. While some could have created a good story and be a more complex or mature "Narnia", most just descend into a sea of asinine sexual harem fantasy self-indulgence or turn the MC so OP that it is ridiculous. |
james501Apr 18, 2018 9:20 AM
| blame the weaboos that are buying the harem blu-rays,and the media in general is aimed at children. |
| Because of CGI (like most of Toei's post-1995 low frame rate works), inexperienced new anime studios, middling to completely incompetent writing as well as the current and dominating romantic comedy genre, almost every anime these days is tagged as ecchi. |
| Because people accept mediocre trash, and are willing to pay for mediocre trash, and make mediocre trash acceptable for studios to pump out. Don't watch bad shows, guys, it just encourages the corporate monster to shit out more bad shows. SAO has like 3 series and a movie cause 12-year olds watched it and gave it money. They gave a show where rape is used so abysmally, money. UGHHHHHH |
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| Most anime are targeted for teenagers and virgin man children stuck in their puberty(it's what ecchi, harem, fan service are for).It's no surprise it lack of creativity. |
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| It's not anime that's the only one lacking. One can argue that everything thats made worldwide lacks innovation and creativity. |
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This is a disaster. Thanks to Digibro, people are taking the OP seriously :( |
| If you read Bakuman, they dive into the manga industry and why certain things don't occur. Usually when you're doing manga or anime, they try to fit a category where majority of the audience is able to like it - which is why niche appeals don't occur very often. Like a business, they also need revenue, so having a gamble of a possible unsuccessful anime is a huge risk for the studio and author. |
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jal90 said: This is a disaster. Thanks to Digibro, people are taking the OP seriously :( Being concerned about the industry is not a disaster though. Besides Digi is not wrong about it although he should've used better evidence. |
Bourmegar said: jal90 said: This is a disaster. Thanks to Digibro, people are taking the OP seriously :( Being concerned about the industry is not a disaster though. Besides Digi is not wrong about it although he should've used better evidence. I agree with Digibro, but people are almost toxic about anime. Can't tolerate anyone asking any questions or making an analysis about it. To them, any kind of criticism, unless positive, is met with scorn because it attacks the things they so fiercely love. To the OP, the probable reason anime lacks creativity or innovation is because animators would rather cater to the lowest common denominator. Normally by using tropes that many have come to love and expect in anime. Problem is, too many of them are following the same trend. But that's just my take. Anime does have creativity and has potential for innovative world building. It can tell heartwarming stories that can make us all cry and stick with us. Give us characters with actual depth. But the good people who make them would much rather opt for making generic characters and fanservice to draw in the crowd and make them money. |
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Bourmegar said: jal90 said: This is a disaster. Thanks to Digibro, people are taking the OP seriously :( Being concerned about the industry is not a disaster though. Besides Digi is not wrong about it although he should've used better evidence. The OP is notorious for making poorly researched if not plain bullshit misinformed claims in his threads and using irrelevant or unrelated evidence. It's cool that people are so intent to discuss the main topic that they ignore how poor the very foundation of the argument is in the first place, but back then a lot called him out on that. I just find the change in attitude towards this thread funny. |
jal90 said: Bourmegar said: Being concerned about the industry is not a disaster though. Besides Digi is not wrong about it although he should've used better evidence. The OP is notorious for making poorly researched if not plain bullshit misinformed claims in his threads and using irrelevant or unrelated evidence. It's cool that people are so intent to discuss the main topic that they ignore how poor the very foundation of the argument is in the first place, but back then a lot called him out on that. I just find the change in attitude towards this thread funny. Yh the funny thing is that it is true but yh itr has a extremely poor foundation. How is that possible? |
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