Zuska said: EcchiKingMamster said: @Zuska im pretty much gonna say to read the above 2 posts by @_Ako_ and @Manaban as they pretty much summed it up perfectly there is NOTHING in this thread that has not been said 100x by now.. the irony is strong again, anyway this is irrelevant to the discussion and your posts are adding nothing i don't care about irony, you have NO IDEA how tired people are of this topic |
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EcchiKingMamster said: Zuska said: the irony is strong again, anyway this is irrelevant to the discussion and your posts are adding nothing i don't care about irony, you have NO IDEA how tired people are of this topic Right then, dully noted. Anything else? |
| Yeah they can, it's just that most ecchi series choose not to really put much effort into the plot because they know the moment they decided to be ecchi their target audience was determined as well as on which level to appeal to them, and it's usually not via the writing. It'd just be a waste of time. The majority of people who start the show do so because they want to see some ecchi, period. So that's what they get. Supply and demand. Nothing wrong with that. At the same time I'd wager that most people who want to experience an awesome plot and great writing would not give ecchi shows a shot in the first place so why try to appeal to them, they're most likely a vast minority of the people who actually watch ecchi. |
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| When you're centering the camera on someone's ass, obviously no plot is being conveyed. Ecchi series spend a LOT of camera time on said asses. |
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EcchiKingMamster said: @_Ako_ and yea, definitely, seeing as how OP only just joined this month, it really shows that this shit isn't going to end ever Give it a month or two and OP will be very good at delivering bait threads. Unless OP decided to ragequit. MortalMelancholy said: When you're centering the camera on someone's ass, obviously no plot is being conveyed. Ecchi series spend a LOT of camera time on said asses. Oi! You seem to forgot glorious and fappable oppai shots... SMH Ass man confirmed. |
Zuska said: EcchiKingMamster said: i don't care about irony, you have NO IDEA how tired people are of this topic Right then, dully noted. Anything else? my first response wasn't even directly towards you specifically, so idk why you're asking that as if you didn't prompt this if you don't like the fact that im mentioning how over done this topic is well theres plenty of others that do MortalMelancholy said: When you're centering the camera on someone's ass, obviously no plot is being conveyed. Ecchi series spend a LOT of camera time on said asses. ok? and thats fucking hot.. idk what world exists where "thats fucking hot" is a bad thing |
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EcchiKingMamster said: my first response wasn't even directly towards you specifically, so idk why you're asking that as if you didn't prompt this if you don't like the fact that im mentioning how over done this topic is well theres plenty of others that do Yeah, cool, feel free to keep going. |
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EcchiKingMamster said: my first response wasn't even directly towards you specifically, so idk why you're asking that as if you didn't prompt this if you don't like the fact that im mentioning how over done this topic is well theres plenty of others that do MortalMelancholy said: When you're centering the camera on someone's ass, obviously no plot is being conveyed. Ecchi series spend a LOT of camera time on said asses. ok? and thats fucking hot.. idk what world exists where "thats fucking hot" is a bad thing You're implying that you find reason in it being a bad thing. I only noted that ecchi and plot cannot coexist. |
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If you looked at the dates you would know this topic was posted first. + I'm sure they posted their topic specifically after seeing my topic |
MortalMelancholy said: EcchiKingMamster said: my first response wasn't even directly towards you specifically, so idk why you're asking that as if you didn't prompt this if you don't like the fact that im mentioning how over done this topic is well theres plenty of others that do ok? and thats fucking hot.. idk what world exists where "thats fucking hot" is a bad thing You're implying that you find reason in it being a bad thing. I only noted that ecchi and plot cannot coexist. You're wrong, if no ecchi had plots then why wouldn't they just make them hentai? |
Zuska said: If you looked at the dates you would know this topic was posted first. + I'm sure they posted their topic specifically after seeing my topic I figured it was obvious that I don't care about any of that. I don't care who made theirs first. It's funny, nor the first time this has happened. |
MortalMelancholy said: EcchiKingMamster said: my first response wasn't even directly towards you specifically, so idk why you're asking that as if you didn't prompt this if you don't like the fact that im mentioning how over done this topic is well theres plenty of others that do ok? and thats fucking hot.. idk what world exists where "thats fucking hot" is a bad thing You're implying that you find reason in it being a bad thing. I only noted that ecchi and plot cannot coexist. ecchi and plot cannot exist? seriously? what about Seikon no Qwaser? Manyuu Hikenchou? Shinmai maou no testament? Keijo? oh wait you haven't seen those... and so what if it couldn't? its fucking hot and fucking hot matters |
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Zuska said: MortalMelancholy said: You're implying that you find reason in it being a bad thing. I only noted that ecchi and plot cannot coexist. You're wrong, if no ecchi had plots then why wouldn't they just make them hentai? Lmao no. Not even ecchi watchers like hentai; apparently there's a difference, so you can ask them about it. EcchiKingMamster said: MortalMelancholy said: You're implying that you find reason in it being a bad thing. I only noted that ecchi and plot cannot coexist. ecchi and plot cannot exist? seriously? what about Seikon no Qwaser? Manyuu Hikenchou? Shinmai maou no testament? Keijo? oh wait you haven't seen those... and so what if it couldn't? its fucking hot and fucking hot matters Lmao I've seen some of them, and they have as much plot as a human has a nictitating membrane. |
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MortalMelancholy said: Lmao no. Not even ecchi watchers like hentai; apparently there's a difference, so you can ask them about it. EcchiKingMamster said: ecchi and plot cannot exist? seriously? what about Seikon no Qwaser? Manyuu Hikenchou? Shinmai maou no testament? Keijo? oh wait you haven't seen those... and so what if it couldn't? its fucking hot and fucking hot matters Lmao I've seen some of them, and they have as much plot as a human has a nictitating membrane. not liking the plot does not mean a show doesn't have one that was so random lol.... |
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EcchiKingMamster said: MortalMelancholy said: Lmao no. Not even ecchi watchers like hentai; apparently there's a difference, so you can ask them about it. Lmao I've seen some of them, and they have as much plot as a human has a nictitating membrane. not liking the plot does not mean a show doesn't have one that was so random lol.... Sometimes I'm weird in finding my analogies. And what I meant was that they only have a semblance of a plot; humans only have vestegial traces of a nictitating membrane. |
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Vurahn said: Zuska said: If you looked at the dates you would know this topic was posted first. + I'm sure they posted their topic specifically after seeing my topic I figured it was obvious that I don't care about any of that. I don't care who made theirs first. It's funny, nor the first time this has happened. If you don't care then why would you post about it lol |
| Doesn't really bother me either way- plenty of great anime has ecchi or at least mild fan service. although a lot of it is trash. I just wish there was more male centered ecchi that isn't cringy/poorly drawn/used solely for comedic purposes. |
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MortalMelancholy said: EcchiKingMamster said: not liking the plot does not mean a show doesn't have one that was so random lol.... Sometimes I'm weird in finding my analogies. And what I meant was that they only have a semblance of a plot; humans only have vestegial traces of a nictitating membrane. yea? well, you know... thats just like uh.. your opinion, man... |
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Zuska said: Vurahn said: I figured it was obvious that I don't care about any of that. I don't care who made theirs first. It's funny, nor the first time this has happened. If you don't care then why would you post about it lol If you can't be bothered to read my entire three whole sentences right there, why would you reply to it lol "It's funny, nor the first time this has happened." I can shorten my answer to "It's funny." |
Vurahn said: If you can't be bothered to read my entire three whole sentences right there, why would you reply to it lol "It's funny, nor the first time this has happened." I can shorten my answer to "It's funny." Yes, it's downright hilarious. Funniest thing I have ever seen in my entire life. |
| Ecchi is fine, naysayers be damned. However, if you mean sexual fanservice in non-ecchi series then that's a whole other story. Still, I usually don't mind fanservice as long as it doesn't get in the way of the plot or ruins the mood of a scene. |
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Aslt said: OP, with a forum avatar like that, I won't be able to take this topic even as a joke :^/ It could be worse, I could have your avatar. Thankfully I don't. Alfond said: Ecchi is fine, naysayers be damned. However, if you mean sexual fanservice in non-ecchi series then that's a whole other story. Still, I usually don't mind fanservice as long as it doesn't get in the way of the plot or ruins the mood of a scene. Do you mean fanservice in non-ecchi series is bad? Also what's the difference between sexual fanservice and ecchi in general in regards to how it affects the plot? |
Zuska said: Do you mean fanservice in non-ecchi series is bad? Also what's the difference between sexual fanservice and ecchi in general in regards to how it affects the plot? I don't think fanservice in non-ecchi series is always bad but it depends on how it's used. Fanservice is supposed to be added content that's used to please the viewers but when you have boob grabs or panty shots in tense/serious scenes it becomes too distracting and ruins the mood. Ecchi is a genre when it comes to anime and fanservice in ecchi series is something that should be expected so I don't see any reason to complain about it. If people don't like ecchi anime then they should simply ignore those series and not waste their time complaining about them. |
AlfondJan 31, 2018 3:41 PM
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| I like some anime that contain ecchi scenes, but most are pretty trashy, because they use it as their whole selling point to attract horny teenagers. Ecchi itself is neither good nor bad, but the way it's often being used in is terrible. |
| Actually, my problem with most ecchi shows is that there is an actual plot. See, it's really obvious that in most of them the plot is a setting/excuse for the girls to get in sexual situations with MC-kun while making him a powerful hero. They're otaku fantasies, and this is kind of okay by me, but the problem is that a lot of the time those two tend to conflict with each other instead of supporting each other, and the result is that you have a generic action show that have lots of panty-shots and boob-jiggling during their frequent and long exposition dumps because they just know no one gives a shit about some generic-ass alien invasion and that everyone came just for the hot chicks anyways. Also, for some reason I've never seen anyone mention the fact that most of them look like shit. I mean, if the main appeal of the show are cute girls in sexual situations shouldn't they make them look, y'know, actually arousing? Like, how the fuck does someone get hard watching random seasonal harem shows? |
| I think it really depends on how it's done. Some shows do it really well, and ecchi is a great addition to the plot rather than taking away from it. But in many, maybe even most cases, ecchi is added to cover weak plot, so I always have rather low expectations when going into show that clearly has a lot of ecchi. This mostly only applies to shows with a lot of ecchi. Sometimes they surprise me and turn out great, like Monogatari. In many cases they are disappointing, however. That's not the same as occasional fan service, in that case it's usually used right and enhances the show rather than damages it rather often. |
Aquarius99 said: Zuska said: Why do some people think ecchi can't be good or that it's trashy? Or that giving fanservice "takes away from the plot?" A plot can still be good even if you have a ton of fanservice. They can coexist What do you think? Many reasons: When I think of Ecchi anime, I always think of harem I used to be like that because let's face it there is a certain correlation but once I found some non-harem ecchi titles I realized I never really disliked ecchi, just harems and how they use ecchi. But I also dislike harems without the ecchi, while it is not often the case the other way round. I guess a question I would like to ask you are what are some shows involving ecchi/fan-service that you believe are done well? Or what shows have both ecchi/fan-service AND a good plot? I’m curious since I don’t think the two are compatible. Well that's a tricky question because it's always gonna be subjective. Both what a 'good plot' is (not to mention whether plot is the only thing that makes a show worth watching) and when the threshold of fanservice is reached that makes it so a show can be called 'ecchi'. You have Fairy Tail in your favorites and I've seen people call that ecchi. It certainly has the most fanservice among all battle shounen I know and to some degree also fits the aesthetics that you mention not liking in your post as far as the girls in it are concerned. You might not see it as ecchi, but imo there are some shows with the ecchi tag that don't have much more (if at all) fanservice than Fairy Tail, like Nanatsu no Taizai or Shokugeki no Souma or Medaka Box. I liked all of those as battle shounen-esque shows and didn't really care about the fanservice one way or the other. Setting those aside I can give you a list of non-harem ecchis that I liked for various reasons that I'll put in brackets, maybe you'll find something that picks your interest. Monogatari Series (a bit harem-ish at times but really good MC, really good characters, great visuals, great dialogue, great action. Just a really good show imo) https://myanimelist.net/anime/18679/Kill_la_Kill (very good show overall, great comedy and action and it actually uses the ecchi in somewhat symbolic ways according to many interpretations of the show that make a lot of sense to me, although not everyone agrees like it always is the case with interpretations) https://myanimelist.net/anime/13203/Lupin_the_Third__Mine_Fujiko_to_Iu_Onna (very atmospheric, mature and also sexy take on the Lupin franchise centering around a strong and independent female MC. It has sexy content but it's so different from almost any other ecchi content that I don't think it should have the tag) https://myanimelist.net/anime/8795/Panty___Stocking_with_Garterbelt (comedy, parody) https://myanimelist.net/anime/268/Golden_Boy (comedy, very likable MC, classic) https://myanimelist.net/anime/8101/HenSemi (comedy, exploring sexuality and fetishes in funny ways) https://myanimelist.net/anime/34964/Killing_Bites (gritty, sexploitative action fest) https://myanimelist.net/anime/404/Bastard__Ankoku_no_Hakaishin (comedy, fantasy) https://myanimelist.net/anime/306/Abenobashi_Mahou%E2%98%86Shoutengai (kinda untypical, surreal slice of life) https://myanimelist.net/anime/382/Futari_Ecchi (exploring the life of a newlywed couple) https://myanimelist.net/anime/32686/Keijo (hot-blooded sports/competitive setting and I love those) https://myanimelist.net/anime/1940/Outlanders (comedy) https://myanimelist.net/anime/1556/Kikoushi_Enma (supernatural horror) https://myanimelist.net/anime/201/Video_Girl_Ai (surprisingly good drama and romance) https://myanimelist.net/anime/29786/Shimoneta_to_Iu_Gainen_ga_Sonzai_Shinai_Taikutsu_na_Sekai (comedy with a nice anti-censorship theme) If we're strictly talking about a good 'plot' and not good comedy, characters, slice of life, action, thematic explorations etc... I'd emphasize Kill la Kill, Mine Fujiko and Video Girl Ai as examples that can combine ecchi with good stories. |
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Aquarius99 said: I guess a question I would like to ask you are what are some shows involving ecchi/fan-service that you believe are done well? Or what shows have both ecchi/fan-service AND a good plot? I’m curious since I don’t think the two are compatible. Can't say whether they'd be up to your tastes, but apart from the ones previously mentioned, a couple of other shows also seemed to balance the two ingredients fairly well, without any needless harem angles thrown into the mix. In short, they manage to accomplish what they initially set out to do. Akiba's Trip (12 episodes, mostly episodic, the synopsis speaks for itself) I''s Pure (6 episodes, may or may not seem rushed depending on whether you have read the manga or not) |
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Aquarius99 said: Pullman said: Well that's a tricky question because it's always gonna be subjective. Both what a 'good plot' is (not to mention whether plot is the only thing that makes a show worth watching) and when the threshold of fanservice is reached that makes it so a show can be called 'ecchi'. You have Fairy Tail in your favorites and I've seen people call that ecchi. It certainly has the most fanservice among all battle shounen I know and to some degree also fits the aesthetics that you mention not liking in your post as far as the girls in it are concerned. Now that you mention it, it is quite the contradiction considering I love Fairy Tail yet the main females tend to have big boobs and wear revealing clothing..... lol. The term “fan service” has been dropped casually in the show during certain scenarios where girls use their feminine wiles to charm a male character, but the show isn’t centered around romance or using sexiness as a form of comedy. Maybe that’s why it’s not noticeable to me. When I see it from that perspective, I think my biggest issue with ecchi is the close association between ecchi and harems rather than my opposition to ecchi itself. As a female, I just seriously despise harem anime (I hate reverse harems as well). Funnily enough as a male I'm less bothered by reverse harems than 'regular' ones. I've enjoyed shows like Ouran Host Club, Akatsuki no Yona and Saiunkoku Monogatari. I think it's because they tend to have less physical forms of fanservice compared to male-targeted harems and I find that easier to ignore and it leaves more room for actual plot, at least in the reverse harems I've seen. |
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