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| Gotou is a bit more complex than we expect. |
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| Too much shogi. WE NEED GIRLS RIGHT NOW! Gotou has some backstory. That's nice. The girl in hospital was his wife or daughter? |
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Talcon said: Inugirlz said: I was kinda toying around with this idea too, but considering how long their relationship has been going on it's more than likely that they have done it. He might just not be so keen on it now because his wife's condition is worsening or something? Or maybe they have done it but only when he was drunk or something. Kyouko definitely seems like the type to take advantage of the situation when opportunities arise. I think it's up in the air enough that, if the show said they haven't done anything, I wouldn't call bullshit. Yea definitely. It could go either way. |
FrozenRaider said: Too much shogi. WE NEED GIRLS RIGHT NOW! Gotou has some backstory. That's nice. The girl in hospital was his wife or daughter? Wife. The lady he may or may not be cheating on with Kouda |
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| Said it last week too but the dynamic, rather overwhelming tone this is taking is a little detrimental I think. It's still good but I like it a bit quieter, a bit milder. The hair on end writing fits on certain scenes but I do sense this season is too frantic/dense even in less dramatic scenes Already knew Gotou's backstory, so that was that. |
Kittens-kun said: Mezo-RPWPA said: so kyouko pretty much raped the old man like she did with the MC? wtf? her character is just so fucking random that it makes it even harder to see her as a half-meh character. I highly doubt she actually did. You really think he's the type of dude to let a girl rape him? Get real. It was done for comedy, to play up that mischievous aspect of her character. she did rape the MC tho so i wouldn't say it is far off. |
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| What a victory! What a loss! I couldn't have asked for more in regards to the conclusion of the Meijin title match. I also liked an insight into the nature of the relationship between Gotou and Kouda. It seems that the latter is truly a masochistic type. Amusing. Of course, a glimpse into Gotou's life was much appreciated as well. |
| Gotou has surprised me. He might be a bit of an asshole, but seeing him defending Shimada from the two nameless idiots stupid criticism of Shimada was certainly admirable from him. Same goes for when he visited his wife at the hospital, with the items that Kyoko purchased for him. It made me feel quite a lot of sympathy for him. If Rei knew about all of this, I wonder what his stance on Gotou would be then? And Nikaidou.......well, he was really funny about not being able to have a match against Rei. His facial expressions really made the funny scene even funnier. =D Great episode overall. |
| More focus on Gotou this time. Can't say I like him, but after this episode, seems like this man isn't as bad as I thought he was back in the first season. Decent episode. |
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| i'm glad Gotou got some sort of development because before this episode he just seemed like an asshole for no reason. he's still an asshole, but now we understand why |
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| Yep. I'm probably going to rate this a 10. |
AnimeJunky said: Am I supposed to feel bad for Gotou knowing his wife is in the hospital? Sorry, nope. syncrogazer said: Do they seriously want me to feel sorry for Gotou? Strange that they're trying to make Kyouko cute too. The whole scene between them fell flat because of how horrible their characters are. No-Look_Kuroko said: Uhhh guys. Gotou has physically abused both Rei and Kyoko, who are both less than half his age (and size). He's dismissive of them both. We just gunna fall for abuser logic and a comatose wife that easy? Smh. He tied Kyoko up because she was a nuisance and that was... funny? Guys. G U Y S Pretty much And after reading all the comments I must say that people are easily manipulable, a couple of scenes and what they believe comes down. I mean, at least wait for more context. |
| After this episode I'm sorta confused on Gouda and Kyouko's relationship. Man Gouda is more complex than we thought. |
When someone asks me why I like anime, I'd say Just Because. |
moodie said: The second season is starting to get more SHAFTY and the story is getting stronger this might top the first season Agreed. Considering the beautiful character development from the first season, I'm totally looking forward to more of Rei's transformation |
Talcon said: I think it's up in the air enough that, if the show said they haven't done anything, I wouldn't call bullshit. I don't get this. She stayed the night and they didn't fuck. Why does that mean they never fucked? They're intimate enough that it seems ridiculous that their relationship would never have become physical. And that's what the point of them not, anyway? Do we want to save her for Kiriyama? I don't think too many people would want that. SkyLETV said: And after reading all the comments I must say that people are easily manipulable, a couple of scenes and what they believe comes down. I mean, at least wait for more context. Just as manipulable as Kiriyama is. |
syncrogazer said: Talcon said: I think it's up in the air enough that, if the show said they haven't done anything, I wouldn't call bullshit. I don't get this. She stayed the night and they didn't fuck. Why does that mean they never fucked? They're intimate enough that it seems ridiculous that their relationship would never have become physical. And that's what the point of them not, anyway? Do we want to save her for Kiriyama? I don't think too many people would want that. SkyLETV said: And after reading all the comments I must say that people are easily manipulable, a couple of scenes and what they believe comes down. I mean, at least wait for more context. Just as manipulable as Kiriyama is. If when Gotou defended Shimada, Kiriyama began to doubt, imagine if he had seen all the scenes of this episode... Gotou would be his new God. |
| This episode felt like a return to form in some ways. It was refreshing to see it open with a Nikaidou rant. And it definitely focused more on the shogi than last week did. As well as a gave a little focus to Shogi World characters who didn't show up last time. I find myself curious about a lot of the threads they're setting up. Like the new dude, who lost to Souya, is horrible anger problem. And Shimada's post loss slump. Not to mention all the setup for the next year's round of the finals. I'm expecting this second season to go places. The weakest part of the episode for me though was all the stuff with Gotou. And Kiriyama's adopted sister. Their relationship has always been kept off screen mostly. And given a bit of an ominous aura. Which at first continued into this episode. But the scene where she forces herself into his apartment. And the very lite BDSM that follows. Was a bit much honestly and out of whack with the series around it. At least it gave them some light humor and humanity. As the stories around them have always been so serious and grim. But I wish it had done so in a stronger way. |
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| Nice to see Nikaido is still as determined as ever. Having Rei and Nikaido's argument serve as the backdrop to the interview sure was funny. Gouto really entered at exactly the right time though stopping Rei and Nikaido from making any brash moves. Well losing in a title match is bound to mess with your composure for a time i guess. Rei and Gouto really have a complicated relationship because of Kyouko though. That resignation of Souya's opponent though sure was sudden. Maintaining your calmness during Shogi is probably the important skill of all. So i wonder was that Gouto's wife that was in the hospital. The insight into Kyouko and Gouto's relationship though was interesting though. Gouto must be worried about his next match though. Kicking a hole in a wall he must be pretty angry there. |
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SkyLETV said: syncrogazer said: I don't get this. She stayed the night and they didn't fuck. Why does that mean they never fucked? They're intimate enough that it seems ridiculous that their relationship would never have become physical. And that's what the point of them not, anyway? Do we want to save her for Kiriyama? I don't think too many people would want that. Just as manipulable as Kiriyama is. If when Gotou defended Shimada, Kiriyama began to doubt, imagine if he had seen all the scenes of this episode... Gotou would be his new God. It's not like Gotou all of a sudden became a saint. The point was to present him as a more human character. He cheated on his wife ? Maybe! But he still loves his wife. He might not be faithful physically, but he seems to be faithful emotionally. That's real, some people are like that. He is rough on the edge ? Sharp as Knife ? Yes he is. But he has an utter respect for his fellow shogi players who put everything on the line to get to the top. He hate the bitching toward Shimada and he says it. That's good. He beated Rei ? Yes he did. Rei insulted him, a kid probably not even the half of his age, saying he had no feeling for his wife. What does Rei know about Gotou's suffering in his situation ? He uses ans abuses kyouko ? Is it not the way around ? Or is it not that they both need something at the moment that the other can give them. Like to broken people using one another as crutch since both can't stand on their two feet alone? Gotou is not another shounen vilain. He is complex, contradictory, or maybe something like the "chaos". He is human. Human are chaos. Hooo! Title drop! Now it all makes sense :) |
Ysad_ZiwezhanOct 23, 2017 3:11 PM
| at this point, Rei clearly likes the Kyouko and I ship them hard since season 1 yeah more than I ship Rei to any of the sisters Rei x Kyouko OTP Gotou's wife needs to wake up, seeing how fateful he is to her, his ship with Kyouko is sinking fast |
| Great Episode from the atmosphere of shogi hall watching souya's game...till kicking in the wall and gouto was cool...I love every chara of this series...gouto is no exception |
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slayer2 said: TsundeReaper said: Him ending up with kyouko is the worst end. he only worries about her because he still feels a responsibility towards how she ended up. In the end kyouko is part of his trauma him and her would only end in more pain.at this point, Rei clearly likes the Kyouko and I ship them hard since season 1 yeah more than I ship Rei to any of the sisters Rei x Kyouko OTP Gotou's wife needs to wake up, seeing how fateful he is to her, his ship with Kyouko is sinking fast Nah, I don't think so, he's over with his trauma in season 1, at first I thought it was just his trauma but after watching this episode, it's more than the trauma, he likes Kyouko |
| Rei doesn't like Kyouko romantically, he feels guilty because he feels responsible for her being in the position she is now, and wants to fix it, somehow, even though he knows she's poison to him. |
| "Genki is Life, Genki is Love" |
syncrogazer said: Do they seriously want me to feel sorry for Gotou? Strange that they're trying to make Kyouko cute too. The whole scene between them fell flat because of how horrible their characters are. I felt the same way, I know it's supposed to say people are complex and all but it still didn't convince me... My bias torward Rei doesn't help their case either haha. Need more sisters/10 |
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| Oh I like this episode a lot more then the first one of this new season this feels more like the old "March Comes In Like A Lion". Now I'm looking forward to the rest of the season. Thou I still miss the old opening. Man this show makes me want to try playing Shogi so bad haha |
| Great episode, right into the relationship drama and shogi drama. |
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| Kumakura is one hell of a guy! He saw the defeat coming many moves ahead. |
| Holy crap I thought this episode was freaking awesome. So much tension in the watching room, I loved how Gotou defended Shimada (I am eagerly awaiting his return!), which of course affected Rei and his feelings towards him. His relationship with Kyouko is pretty complex, and man seeing Kyouko pick out skin care for Gotou's hospitalized wife was painful to watch ... and then she was there waiting for him when he got back too. Pretty clearly she knows what she wants, and Gotou tries to dissuade her but doesn't always succeed. Kuma ended up losing to Souya though and Rei might not get to face his "rival" until the finals in that tournament. Either way this was a really good episode for me exploring the characters! :D |
| so..., gotou isn't entirely a bad person?. good to see kyoko more often great episode!. |
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slayer2 said: TsundeReaper said: ok one question where do you get the impression the Rei likes Kyouko because they haven't had a single positive moment between them in the entire series up to this point. She bullies him uses him like a crutch when she isn't following gotou around like an excitable puppy and when he lived at the kouda household activily hit him. I have not seen a single moment between them that would imply that rei feels anything more than guilt towards her. Also i was spoiled awhile ago and neither ReiXKyouko or my ship ReiXAkari are cannon I won't spoil it here though.Nah, I don't think so, he's over with his trauma in season 1, at first I thought it was just his trauma but after watching this episode, it's more than the trauma, he likes Kyouko Well you just spoiled me that my ship is dead bruh wtf Anyway, you clearly haven't seen enough romance or even a harem. The flashbacks from this episode gave me the impression that he likes her You don't go that far especially when he left them to leave on his own. He left them and for him to go beyond the usual "him being obedient to Kyouko" and actually going for Gotou is an irrefutable fact Tell me who is canon, you already spoiled me so just put it in spoiler |
slayer2 said: TsundeReaper said: Let's start off that this is absolutely not a harem anime and even goes as far as to treat it's relations between character with a lot more realism than your standard romance anime, just because Rei confronted Gatou doesn't mean he has feelings for Kyouko and also a guy can worry about his adopted sister with out have romantic feelings for her. Well you just spoiled me that my ship is dead bruh wtf Anyway, you clearly haven't seen enough romance or even a harem. The flashbacks from this episode gave me the impression that he likes her You don't go that far especially when he left them to leave on his own. He left them and for him to go beyond the usual "him being obedient to Kyouko" and actually going for Gotou is an irrefutable fact Tell me who is canon, you already spoiled me so just put it in spoiler Never said it was a harem, it's just an example coz there's some romance in most harems too. Like I already stated him worrying about her AFTER he already left the house is beyond your "sister caring" Typical romance aside, not just romance anime but I've been watching anime since ever I'm already too good at reading characters feelings and hints like that, lemme just clear this, I ship Rei x Kyouko but I also never expected it to be canon meh bad end, there goes my plan of reading it sometimes |
slayer2 said: TsundeReaper said: the only hints i got from them is one of a toxic abusive relationship there is no real warmth between them and I worked this out by episode 10 that they would not end up together and this was before i was spoiled. I would say if he ended up with Kyouko that would be the worst end. I'm not 100% on Never said it was a harem, it's just an example coz there's some romance in most harems too. Like I already stated him worrying about her AFTER he already left the house is beyond your "sister caring" Typical romance aside, not just romance anime but I've been watching anime since ever I'm already too good at reading characters feelings and hints like that, lemme just clear this, I ship Rei x Kyouko but I also never expected it to be canon meh bad end, there goes my plan of reading it sometimes but that might be just because my own personal bias toward more mature women. Idk man I just like Rei and Kyouko's deep conversations, it doesn't have to have a warmth you know, but yeah same, I also might just be biased too coz I'm just sick of derederes (not that I hate them) I'm just tired of them |
| I love this show. The subtle things really go a long way. It kind of makes sense now why that guy is "cheating" on his wife now. Although, the age gap is still a bit disturbing. Not that I haven't seen it done before - I think Nana also did this. |
 Three things cannot be long hidden.. ...the s u n, the m oo n, and the tr u th. |
| The start was funniest with the both frends...the Gotou story is a little sad! |
| Oh great the bastard Gotou and the insane sister are back... |
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Himawari9 said: ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????SkyLETV said: Pretty much And after reading all the comments I must say that people are easily manipulable, a couple of scenes and what they believe comes down. I mean, at least wait for more context. In a sense, you are also manipulated by Rei's point of view. |
Himawari9 said: I could agree with you if they had not shown more of Gotou than what Rei sees, but they showed a visit to his wife in a coma and more "relaxing" interactions with Kyouko and I still don't like him.SkyLETV said: ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I means you was manipulated by Rei's view and see Gotou as a bad person. In this episode, even Rei has some doubts about Gotou. |
where did you read that? |
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| LOL! first part of this episode is so funny its chaotic! Harunobu's blaming Kiriyama for not being to match-up against Kiriyama! As soon at Kumakura said me resigned, everyone went into panic! but Yanagihara said that it was already checkmate after 17 more moves! DAMN! Souya's still dominating! and defended his title as Meijin! Kumakura was so cool! lolz the 2 dude admire him! Last part was unneeded...who cares about that bitch Kyouko!? 5/5. |
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