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Ventus_S said: Why are you straw-maning this hard. u know ppl can like not like this right? You are making up scenarios to justify your own insecurities. Don't argue with someone who has a mental age of 10~16. Honestly this anime should have been a niche genre like Rakuga, but people overhyped it and all the edgy teenagers caught in the hype train and watch something that's inherently not interesting for them. Anyways nonsense aside this episode was a step up but still heavily flawed. They dropped most of the shitty filters or w.e animation technique you want to call it. It was unappealing and used grossly. Episode 2 is def a step up. Now I am excited for episode 3. Also the narrative picked up the pace. |
moodie said: Ventus_S said: Why are you straw-maning this hard. u know ppl can like not like this right? You are making up scenarios to justify your own insecurities. Don't argue with someone who has a mental age of 10~16. Honestly this anime should have been a niche genre like Rakuga, but people overhyped it and all the edgy teenagers caught in the hype train and watch something that's inherently not interesting for them. Anyways nonsense aside this episode was a step up but still heavily flawed. They dropped most of the shitty filters or w.e animation technique you want to call it. It was unappealing and used grossly. Episode 2 is def a step up. Now I am excited for episode 3. Also the narrative picked up the pace. If he just said he doesn't like this anime and the subject doesn't interest him, I'd respect that. But saying 100% animation and 0 substance is just plain wrong and ignorant. Read the context before accusing me. |
Ventus_S said: Or for him its 0 substance. srsly after u watch more anime ull realize why ppl feel the way they feel moodie said: Why are you straw-maning this hard. u know ppl can like not like this right? You are making up scenarios to justify your own insecurities. Anyways nonsense aside this episode was a step up but still heavily flawed. They dropped most of the shitty filters or w.e animation technique you want to call it. It was unappealing and used grossly. Episode 2 is def a step up. Now I am excited for episode 3. Also the narrative picked up the pace. If he just said he doesn't like this anime and the subject is not interesting to him, I'd respect that. But saying 100% animation and 0 substance is just plain wrong and ignorant. Read the context before accusing me. |
| I liked this episode, because it made more clarity in the settings and personality of the characters. And a few trivial, but lovely pairings, lol. If this continues, then this will be one of my most favorite titles this season. I was particularly interested in Benedict, whose existence in the show boils down to easy chemistry with MC and an indication that he is a failed womanizer. And Cattleya and Iris, both of whom turned out to be straight women, to my surprise, given their types and current trends in KyoAni. |
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| Even though that we already knew that he was dead, it was still sad to hear it. So that's why Claudia didn't have any money...what a great attitude he had. |
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Ventus_S said: I finished 2 episodes already and I know why the rage of so many people. This show is clearly not for edgy teenagers who only likes power fantasy, yet people over-hyped it as if all the anime community should watch it. Mal score pretty much reflects the average age group of audience in Mal. I personally LOVE this show and how detail the characters emotion and interaction is, but I can understand why edgy teenagers can't take this kind of slow and steady work of art and literature. To me this show character portrayed is much better than Ancient Magus Bride. PS: People thought Violet is a dick, but this is EXACTLY THE POINT. If she suddenly acts like a sympathetic human being despite being called a weapon and just recently retired from battle-field, then I would say Violet character portray is a failure. So far I think they did a very good job showing the awkwardness of Violet's reaction and attitude. Yeah, good job dismissing all the reasonable criticisms from everyone and ridiculing/name-calling others and saying they're all "edgy teenagers" who supposedly lack the mental maturity to appreciate this kind of storytelling. Your ad hominems really help your case. /sarcasm |
| "Beyond the veil of cherry blossom petals blown by the wind - almost like their promised reunion - Feelings pile up with the passage of time: once the torrent of emotions comes rushing down, what is the spectacle that awaits?" |
Ventus_S said: Don't argue with someone who has a mental age of 10~16. Honestly this anime should have been a niche genre like Rakuga, but people overhyped it and all the edgy teenagers caught in the hype train and watch something that's inherently not interesting for them. I honestly have never seen anything get so OBLITERATED by hype than this show. It is kind of KyoAni's fault for hyping this show up so much with the first CM, which looked full-blown dramatic scenes and even have hints of an action show in it, especially with the scene of her with the axe.   Like wtf was KyoAni THINKING? This CM is obviously not representative of what the show is about. Why couldn't they have took a more conservative approach with the show's promotion by showing a more muted depiction of the show as a pensive character piece instead of some sort of dramatic action/romance show like a sparkly glittery FMA:B? What I am saying is that the backlash this show is receiving right now IS deserved because of KyoAni's poor decisions for presenting the show before release as something that it is CLEARLY not. Also, when did a show ever need to have a relatable main character to be good? It is about constructing a deep and fleshed out character with explained motives and backstory, not to create a character that anyone can project themselves on to. You can't really criticize a show or story for being objectively bad just because a character does not resonate with you personally. Isn't the point of consuming anime to escape reality and take on different perspectives on stories and worlds that are different from your own? In this case, people are calling Violet a bad character because they are annoyed by the way she acts, and then the show takes shit for it. That makes no sense to me because I found Violet's current personality and actions to be believable considering her backstory and how she was raised from the little information we have so far. Characters are supposed to develop, so if you can't stand her right now, either drop the show and stop posting illegitimate criticism or continue to see whether this character changes or not (for better or for worse) I hope I didn't sound too salty, because I don't mean to directly attack anyone. But I also have the right to point out some people's bullshit. |
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sherpico said: I don't think you really understand what this show is actually about lol. But hey, you do you man.Ventus_S said: Honestly this anime should have been a niche genre like Rakuga, but people overhyped it and all the edgy teenagers caught in the hype train and watch something that's inherently not interesting for them. It's funny you say this. I'm in my 30s and tend to hate 'edgy' shows, but to me so far this one seems anything but mature. It wants to be, with its themes of war, suffering, and Love™ but it all comes off like a teenager's unrealistic, overly romanticized conception of those things. |
"Anime is trash and so am I." |
i did stop watching it. |
Edward Elric > your waifu  |
| This is product of kyoani's LN award.....an award full of KYOANI circle jerking! |
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| A bit sad there wasn't any opening, was hoping to see it hint at more future things to come. I guess Hodgins doesn't plan to tell her about Gilbert any soon. It's only going to make it more difficult for him the longer he does. Was nice to see Erica stand up for Violet already, I was worried they were going to drag out some drama between the group. Violet finally has her signature outfit now and it looks great. Looking forward to see how Violet progresses emotionally because she still has yet to smile. |
| I'm really liking this so far. Violet seems robotic but I think once she spends enough time with the other Auto Memoir Doll's she'll change. She already learned to type quieter so I'm sure it won't take her long to get the rest. Great visual storytelling in this episode! It feels like Kyoani knows how little time they have and if they stretch it out too much it could get boring with such a simplistic plot, so they've included so many tiny details. Whether it be a slight expression or the shot panning out to indicate an emotion. There's always something happening and worth looking at. Not just for the visual spectacle. |
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Well you got that right... |
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| Lol, I accidentally clicked the spoiler tag. Wait so... is it true? Or are you just speculating? Have you read the 2 novels already? I had my speculations in the beginning so I was not so sure. The anime makes it seems that the plot point you are talking about is pretty set in stone, but maybe it may within another condition or context i am not aware of. But cool. |
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| I do not understand how he could deliver a love letter without reading it first. And feel the decency to blame Violet. That's what I do not see the meaning of that scene. |
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GreenEmu said: true that true thatI'm enjoying this show. I see that it's getting a lot of hate, but with a show that was hyped up so much backlash was inevitable. |
Hibikase said: Lol, I accidentally clicked the spoiler tag. Wait so... is it true? Or are you just speculating? Have you read the 2 novels already? I had my speculations in the beginning so I was not so sure. The anime makes it seems that the plot point you are talking about is pretty set in stone, but maybe it may within another condition or context i am not aware of. But cool. |
"Le vent se lève!... Il faut tenter de vivre!" - Paul Valéry, Le Cimetière Marin - |
| Loved this episode. My only two complaints though are that I wished it would have been longer until they started to address whether or not Gilbert is alive because I loved the ambiguity and I wish that Hodgins never said anything after "He..." and the episode title finished his sentence. I personally think that would have been more impactful. |
| Now, count up your sins! |
| Didn't notice it before but looking back at episode 1 and 2, it's there too...Benedict's very "high fashionable" choice of footwear, and overall style for that matter. This is one weird alternate universe. |
sherpico said: Hibikase said: I don't think you really understand what this show is actually about lol. But hey, you do you man. How so? Based on what we've seen so far, Violet's character is entirely defined by her past suffering and single-minded devotion to the one man who was kind to her. She has stated no desire other than to see the major and to understand what he meant when he said I love you. I'm hoping that will change at some point, but so far her character comes across less as a recognizable human than as a teenager's fantasy of a devoted woman who does nothing but think of them and spout cliched love dialogue 24/7. All of which is fine if that's what you're into. But let's not pretend it's so much deeper and more mature than the shows that other people enjoy. The fact that she doesn't come across as a recognizable human is literally the point of her character. The way I see it from what we've seen so far is that this is the story of a woman who lacks humanity and her subsequent journey to become human which is facilitated through her feelings, that she doesn't even realize she has because she doesn't understand it, for a person who was there for her. The way I've been reading everything so far it seems Violet is eventually going to understand emotions and that is going to humanize her. |
| Now, count up your sins! |
AmbitiousApple said: I have a question about this series, does Violet have romantic feelings for Gilbert? Her feelings towards Gilbert are debatable. Heck, you might not even call them feelings. It's complete faith in someone who has been always next to her, looking after her. But since she doesn't know the meaning of her feelings, she can't convey them, can she? However, if you change that question a bit, to "Does Gilbert have romantic feelings for Violet?", than I can give an answer, yes. |
Major_GilbertApr 7, 2018 7:27 AM
"Le vent se lève!... Il faut tenter de vivre!" - Paul Valéry, Le Cimetière Marin - |
| I did kind of laugh a bit of how straightforward Violet was with the letters and her coworkers. But its nice that she's still getting a chance to work at being a ghostwriter as well as getting her brooch back. Decent episode overall. |
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| I am feeling a little spoiled. Between this show and Ancient Magus Bride I cannot remember the last time there were two such fantastic anime in the same season. OH man what an episode its going to be when Violet finally learns about Gilbert. |
| The sword that takes life gives life |
| Eeeh.. I still giving this anime a benefit of doubt because it still only 2 episodes. But I'm a bit bored. So is Erica blind? I have an impression because of that typewriter history and when she said she is the one who actually doesn't suitable to the job. |
DannyTheDonkeyJan 17, 2018 9:48 PM
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| Pretty good episode. I really wanted to see more of Violet and Gilbert's first encounter. I'm really liking Cattleya as a character. When Violet put everything the client said in a super straightforward manner, I couldn't help but feel that it was some kind of social commentary. There was a little focus on Erica and that was pretty nice but I do feel like we needed much more exposition towards her character but I do like how they trying to draw some kind of parallel between the fact that people don't think Violet's suited for the job and how Erica's thinks that she herself is in the same boat. The brooch part was great. :) Hodgins is a really nice guy. :( |
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Major_Gilbert said: AmbitiousApple said: I have a question about this series, does Violet have romantic feelings for Gilbert? Her feelings towards Gilbert are debatable. Heck, you might not even call them feelings. It's complete faith in someone who has been always next to her, looking after her. But since she doesn't know the meaning if her feelings, she can't convey them, can she? However, if you change that question a bit, to "Does Gilbert have romantic feelings for Violet?", than I can give an answer, yes. To me her feeling may be she's treating Gilbert like his guardian/ protector or something. She's like a lost poppy without him, and that's why she wants to find out what these feeling is about. |
Major_Gilbert said: Her feelings towards Gilbert are debatable. Heck, you might not even call them feelings. It's complete faith in someone who has been always next to her, looking after her. But since she doesn't know the meaning if her feelings, she can't convey them, can she? However, if you change that question a bit, to "Does Gilbert have romantic feelings for Violet?", than I can give an answer, yes. Isn't it violets relationship to gilbert a bit similar to the relationship between mikasa and eren? and LOL the irony of violet's seiyuu |
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sherpico said: JD_of_Paradise said: The fact that she doesn't come across as a recognizable human is literally the point of her character. The way I see it from what we've seen so far is that this is the story of a woman who lacks humanity and her subsequent journey to become human which is facilitated through her feelings, that she doesn't even realize she has because she doesn't understand it, for a person who was there for her. The way I've been reading everything so far it seems Violet is eventually going to understand emotions and that is going to humanize her. I think a good character, even if they have gone through a lot, should still be recognizably human. Not in the sense that they feel or act the same way that we do, but that we can see their feelings and actions as an understandable result of their experiences and circumstances. In the case of Violet, I can certainly understand how someone who has suffered as much as she seems to could have trouble understanding normal human emotions, or feel very attached to the person who helped them through that. What doesn't strike me as plausible is the extreme these characteristics are taken to, where the Major is literally the only thing she cares about and she is incapable of understanding any human emotion at all. I take it that this is supposed to seem romantic, but to me it just feels unrealistic and heavy handed. I don't think Violet should be treated as regular human anyway because they keep hinting her as "weapon", so she may inherently be different from normal human, thus explain the complete social awkwardness and lack of feeling. She is more than just a soldier going through PTSD according to the flashback. I think there's something special about her. |
| "I couldn't handle calling out a womans name in bed" Yee Boiiiii ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Nah he's not dead, of course he isn't ... too much budget and production value was wasted on that characters so he must be alive lol. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, ARE THEY MACHINES OR HUMANS ? I feel like the doll is just term used in this world, nothing more. |
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| I can appreciate slow paced anime but this is boring you know its bad when during both episodes you check the video to see if it's almost over just to see its got over 10 minutes left. Will probably drop this but may give it 1 more episode. Honestly it's like the anime is trying to force "feels" rather then telling a good story and letting it happen naturally. |
| Lol at how blunt Violet is. How she wrote the letter and her remarks on the other dolls' letters heavily mirrors Sagara Sousuke in that you gotta take everything literally and objectively! I don't think a woman who has been a weaponized soldier all her life would make a good ghostwriter because she lacks the "feels" to do the job. Well she better start feeling it soon or risk getting fired or sabotaging the company. So she's going to get some "training" from some teachers eh? I can't wait to see how that turns out lol. I kind of wish that this episode took a more comedic approach, and then gradually enter the drama in the later episodes as the story progresses. Also, finding the Brooch was pretty convenient... GangsterCat said: and that ending song's singer sounds absolutely awful btw. remove the vocal and the song might actually be really good. I don't know what was worse: the song, or the song being played over a monologue. Funny how you mention removing the vocals since it seems the music was composed by Evan Call and Elements Garden, the same composers for Symphogear G and GX. ^_^ |
TarotistJan 18, 2018 12:18 AM
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Tarotist said: Lol at how blunt Violet is. How she wrote the letter and her remarks on the other dolls' letters heavily mirrors Sagara Sousuke in that you gotta take everything literally and objectively! I don't think a woman who has been a weaponized soldier all her life would make a good ghostwriter because she lacks the "feels" to do the job. Well she better start feeling it soon or risk getting fired or sabotaging the company. So she's going to get some "training" from some teachers eh? I can't wait to see how that turns out lol. I kind of wish that this episode took a more comedic approach, and then gradually enter the drama in the later episodes as the story progresses. Also, finding the Brooch was pretty convenient... GangsterCat said: and that ending song's singer sounds absolutely awful btw. remove the vocal and the song might actually be really good. I don't know what was worse: the song, or the song being played over a monologue. Funny how you mention removing the vocals since it seems the music was composed by Evan Call and Elements Garden, the same composers for Symphogear G and GX. ^_^ Ah yes, we meet again my comrade in Symphogear arms |
| Don't believe the hype. |
| i dont care what anybody says about this show .. i love it so far |
| Not as good as the pilot episode but it gave us more idea of the setting of the world and how the dolls came to be. I like the two girls who got introduced in this episode even though I am reading that they are filler characters. Nothing much to add but I am looking forward to know what actually happened to Gilbert. It is strongly implied that he's dead but it could be something else. Unless they tell me that he's dead, I will cling onto the brooch like Violet and think that he's still amongst the living. Hibikase said: But doesn't reading and writing come hand in hand? If you can read, you can write, and vice versa. You do have a valid point but it's not always the case. Hey, I myself for an example of someone who can read a couple of languages (one of them is Japanese, I would say I can read basic Japanese, around 500 kanji) but cannot write them (including some hiragana, the shapes are all over the place when I want to write them even though I know how they look like). Because I was never taught the stroke orders and the proportion of sizes nor did I learn them myself. Violet Evergarden is actually a well thought out production so far. I dunno how much is covered in the novel regarding the world but KyoAni already set the foundation of the world it is taking place in. Lack of education happens in a post war era when the war was prolonged, that went on for like years so the public wouldn't have access to even basic education due to lack of infrastructure even after the war had ended. WWI and WWII are examples where the mainland of Europe and Eastern Europe had a demise in basic education. Also, we know that the technologies usually take giant leap during wars. WWI and WWII instigated some of the most amazing (originally developed for military purposes) technologies, byproducts of which also boomed industrialization during the post war era. An example would be the research and development of FETs that changed the whole civilization in the next 70 years to this date. This can be related to both the automobile industry that got mentioned in this episode through a woman who received Violet's ridiculously straightforward letter and the prosthetic hands that Violet has. We have to understand that THEY are in a world that is similar to ours but not exactly the one we are living in. At least this should come across to fans given the way it is shown that the world is a mix of different cultures. Notice how Benedict is effortlessly using chopsticks to eat "Yakisoba" in a post war pseudo European setting. Sounds trivial, but it was shown intentionally, which is called visual story telling. It's a world where they use a language that is different from ours. The characters are a mix of different symbols and existing ones we find in different languages seen in the typewriter. "F" and "J" are mentioned but they don't even exist on the typewriter Violet was using. We will also notice the story also contains both Japanese and English honorifics when people are addressed. If someone pays close attention to small details, it is actually a very well thought out writing. No one ever asked how and why Edward's hand or leg moved in FMA but people are trying to nitpick on almost anything in this one because they are too preoccupied with the idea that this story is taking place in OUR world when it clearly isn't. I will reiterate. THEY are in a world that is similar to ours but not exactly the one we are living in. |
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| watching Violet is like watching Saber without common sense. and as I suspected, the major is already dead. |
| I enjoyed this episode a bit more than the first and while it felt like it didn't add much besides delving more into the setting, the characters appeared to be more livelier and it really sold me on Violet, who may very well make it to waifu of the season. |
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