Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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Axernea said: >.< such a cliffhanger How come none of the seventh is suspicious towards Chamot? It's unknown what she was doing when the seal was broken, she wen't to play by herself and we saw her with something resembling a part of a fiend? I expected the seven to be less conclusive, and yet they love pointing fingers. They each have their suspicions of each other, it's just that Adlet is the most suspicious of them all, and Han's door accusation was the last nail in the coffin for Adlet. So before he can prove himself innocent to the rest of the Braves, Adlet is pretty much the 7th in their eyes. |
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Lyrisia said: How is bunny princess going to find proof that Hans is the seventh by going into the forest? ^^" Well, there were no clues in the temple, so looking in the forest might be a good idea. Especially if Nashetania has thought of "fake mist" theory too. Now just to find some mist-making kyouma... Sokah said: flannan said: She is not a monster, just a soldier (or spy) fighting for the other side. She did not do all that based on emotions or hatred, just being calculating and following orders. Ah yes, just following orders here, murdering innocents, slaughter children, totally not on me, just following orders. That is the kind of logic 8 year olds use when they're caught doing something bad. "But Timmy TOLD me to stab my sister with a pencil, not MY fault. You can't ground me this is unfair!" Also, no she isn't a soldier or spy, she is an assassin. A piece of trash who murders people. Like Humpty who is probably supposed to draw attention due to the fact he is a sub-human piece of garbage who kills people for money, but who of course idiots like because murdering people is cool. I guess it depends on your moral outlook. I find fighting, spying, assassinations and so on to be okay things to do, and valid ways of expressing your beliefs. Even if that belief is "all humans should die". I'm not a pacifist. It's not the same as killing defenseless people without fearing retribution, or murdering people because you want to, or being a mindless and bloodthirsty beast - the kinds of things that can make me consider someone a monster. Now, fighting isn't the best solution to everything, but demons and humans in this setting won't be getting peaceful talks any time soon. Sokah said: Frrrosty said: What you have said isn't backed up by any evidence or deductive reasoning just personal experience (not trustworthy) and a cynical attitude. Ooookay. You think that if someone offers you an opportunity to go somewhere that you'd be made a slave or murdered and all you had to do was kill anyone that didn't agree to come with you, you'd be totally be fine with that. Got it. You're utterly insane. No one in their right mind would do what they did, it had to be magic. Seriously, what part of getting made a slave or murdering your friends do YOU find really sells this whole thing as something a person would find to be a good idea? From what we know about Tgurneu from reading the LN, he is really so persuasive as to talk a whole village of common folk into becoming slaves to demons, and does not have any mind-control powers. At least, no mind-control powers that would work on Braves - that would have been an easy victory for him. Maybe he just threatened to kill them really painfully. Maybe he promised them that demons won't be much worse than their current rulers (it's a medieval setting, it's not that hard, you know). By the way, the "poison fog that kills you" problem is solvable. We know that, because there were people in demon-land to worship Fremy, and demons couldn't have taken a new village every few days - that would've been too noticeable. |
tinnydevil said: Couldn't Adlet just say that there was no method for him to get the rokka mark? Adlet was stuck in a prison remember? And Nachetanya was there when Adlet got out. Adlet also showed his mark to Nachetanya before getting out of prison. Therefore, there was no way Adlet could have gotten his rokka mark, unless he actually got it legitly. Adlet is exactly the kind of person who can get a fake rokka mark even if bound in chains and there are 1000 observers. At least as far as others are concerned. |
| Besides everyone already knows his story, he told them himself like all the others did. And like with everyone else Adlet is the only one who saw himself get a mark. |
Iron_MawAug 19, 2015 4:57 AM
GSupernova said: But my argument is that if MORA is not a part of the plot surrounding the 7th brave, that the ENTIRE barrier plan is a plot hole because it is HER PLAN, right? I 100% agree with you on the fact that it was a trap from the start, again, I called that out before they were even stuck in the barrier to begin with because the plan is a non-starter. The barrier plan was planned by King of Gwenbeyer(it's stated in episode 3). Maura was not involved in planning it. |
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GSupernova said: Okay. But my argument is that if MORA is not a part of the plot surrounding the 7th brave, that the ENTIRE barrier plan is a plot hole because it is HER PLAN, right? I 100% agree with you on the fact that it was a trap from the start, again, I called that out before they were even stuck in the barrier to begin with because the plan is a non-starter. I don't know where you got the idea that Mora was the one who devised the barrier plan, could you quote for me when a character explicitly said it was her idea? If my memory serves me correctly in episode 3, Private Rowen said it was the King's idea to construct the phantasmal barrier in order to support the Braves' efforts, Mora was simply the first to hear about from the King since she is the highest authority of the saints. |
GSupernova said: Pat_To_Do-List said: Now let's see. The fact that all of Braves do not know how to turn the barrier off is not a plot hole, because it has not been established that every Brave has been told about how to turn it off. But isn't it weird that they're not told how to turn it off? Yes. And that's one of the mystery aspect. Why in the world no one told them about it? Maybe the barrier was made to trap the Braves in the first place? Okay. But my argument is that if MORA is not a part of the plot surrounding the 7th brave, that the ENTIRE barrier plan is a plot hole because it is HER PLAN, right? I 100% agree with you on the fact that it was a trap from the start, again, I called that out before they were even stuck in the barrier to begin with because the plan is a non-starter. ...Mora just said back in episode 5 she didn't know something like this existed until now. She also notes that the King of Gwenyber is a very secretive man so she not surprised at this. |
Jagd84 said: She also notes that the King of Gwenyber is a very secretive man so she not surprised at this. In which episode? |
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Pat_To_Do-List said: Jagd84 said: She also notes that the King of Gwenyber is a very secretive man so she not surprised at this. In which episode? Episode 5 I believe. |
| The scene with the fireflies was really beautifully done. Am I starting to ship FlamiexAdlet? Oh no, lol. With the backstory and such, it really makes it hard to believe that Adlet is the seventh. I still think it's Goldov. I mean c'mon, he's obviously in love with Nashetania, and would do anything for her, like start the barrier to protect her from fighting the demon god because she's an inexperienced fighter and blaming it on Adlet to have him killed because he is jealous that she likes Adlet more than him? It just makes sense. Regardless, obviously this mystery thing is here to stay so I might as well let go of my desire to see them all work together and watch the squabble among each other instead. At least it wasn't as boring as last ep. Hope Hans dies. |
Pat_To_Do-List said: The fact that all of Braves do not know how to turn the barrier off is not a plot hole, because it has not been established that every Brave has been told about how to turn it off. But isn't it weird that they're not told how to turn it off? Yes. And that's one of the mystery aspect. Why in the world no one told them about it? Maybe the barrier was made to trap the Braves in the first place? Whoever activated the barrier would be trapped inside with a not insignificant number of fiends with no way to find out when the demon god has been defeated. Leaving the deactivation of the barrier to the incumbent saint of salts rather than whoever activated it is a harsh but not unreasonable way to reduce the risk that whoever activated the barrier would jeopardize the plan by deactivating the barrier after losing courage. |
IncestEmblem said: Whoever activated the barrier would be trapped inside with a not insignificant number of fiends with no way to find out when the demon god has been defeated. Not a problem. If plan was supposed to go as normal the person that supposed to go would have food and water prepared. The Salt pillars would protect them. If it is a Brave he/she be easily be able group of Fiends especially from the Salt Pillars. Leaving the deactivation of the barrier to the incumbent saint of salts rather than whoever activated it is a harsh but not unreasonable way to reduce the risk that whoever activated the barrier would jeopardize the plan by deactivating the barrier after losing courage. No need when the barrier can work anyone. The person who activates it meant to be a sort of sacrifice for a small amount of time. |
Jagd84 said: ]Not a problem. If plan was supposed to go as normal the person that supposed to go would have food and water prepared. The Salt pillars would protect them. If it is a Brave he/she be easily be able group of Fiends especially from the Salt Pillars. If the fiends are actually able to physically harm or kill the activator, then it is not relevant whether the activator knows the method of deactivating the barrier: Killing the activator will deactivate the barrier, at least according to Maura. Therefore, the concern is not whether the fiends can physically harm the activator but whether he can stand being trapped in a dark temple with fiends bombing the outside for an unknown period of time. No need when the barrier can work anyone. The person who activates it meant to be a sort of sacrifice for a small amount of time. If the activator is meant to be a sacrifice for a small amount of time, then it would certainly be inappropriate to teach him the way to deactivate the barrier: Why risk having the person deactivate the barrier before the maximum amount of time passed if he's merely meant to be a sacrifice? |
IncestEmblem said: Therefore, the concern is not whether the fiends can physically harm the activator but whether he can stand being trapped in a dark temple with fiends bombing the outside for an unknown period of time. I'm pretty sure the soldier or Brave would be prepared mentality for that sort of thing. Hell the rank and file in the fort took a massive beating that wiped out all of commanding personal yet there they are. Still going through with it. And the temple won't be dark anyway, those runes provide light and if they want to you still walk around the grounds enclosed by the Salt Pillars. This would only be for a month or less. If the activator is meant to be a sacrifice for a small amount of time, then it would certainly be inappropriate to teach him the way to deactivate the barrier: Why risk having the person deactivate the barrier before the maximum amount of time passed if he's merely meant to be a sacrifice? We don't if person inside would have knowledge to deactivate the barrier, even he/she did we don't know if can be done inside or if it has be done another person outside. The knowledge itself would not be harmful eitherway because the person inside they should be disciplined enough to hold out. Again if Lauren a mere private is example of the common soldier to go by that won't be an issue. |
Iron_MawAug 19, 2015 2:14 PM
GSupernova said: Sokah said: Also, everyone should know the deactivation. Unless the plan was to have the brave who stayed behind to activate it starve to death in the barrier, never being able to release it, an astoundingly stupid plan and massive plot hole, then they'd have been told how to shut it down. I'm pretty sure it's a plot hole. If it wasn't, Zefyris would have challenged me on it when I brought it up like 5 episodes ago and almost every discussion thread since. If it isn't a plot hole, it pretty much implicates Mora 100%. It's not. I can't answer everyone, and I already answered that point several times on several boards too. |
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Zefyris said: It's not. I can't answer everyone, and I already answered that point several times on several boards too. That's dedication. |
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Zefyris said: Well, let's say that it's for the 3 years I was fan with no one (or almost no one) to discuss about it. Well, you must've felt ecstatic this summer. If nothing else, it has raised good awareness for the western fans. |
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Zefyris said: Well, let's say that it's for the 3 years I was fan with no one (or almost no one) to discuss about it. I avoided this series at first because of Adlet's "strongest man in the world" shtick. I thought it was actually true and Rokka was yet another fantasy LN with an OP MC. |
Ugoki said: Zefyris said: Well, let's say that it's for the 3 years I was fan with no one (or almost no one) to discuss about it. I avoided this series at first because of Adlet's "strongest man in the world" shtick. I thought it was actually true and Rokka was yet another fantasy LN with an OP MC. Well 'I've read fantasy LNs with OP MCs which are actually very very good. There's three titles I have rated 8,9,9 /10 in fact. I'm afraid they haven't been translated though, but OP MC when well done can gives extremely interesting things. When quality is here, obviously. |
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Zefyris said: Well 'I've read fantasy LNs with OP MCs which are actually very very good. There's three titles I have rated 8,9,9 /10 in fact. Just out of interest, can you name them? |
| I'm curious as to why exactly Nachetania is suspecting Hans. I mean sure there's plenty of reasons, but what's HER reason? This just sorta enforces my thought a few episodes ago when Hans said that many people of high status in her kingdom have asked him to assassinate people, and a few episodes before that Nachetania told Adlet that before she became a Saint her father ordered her assassination. I still think Hans might have been the one hired to do it, but it's just my own speculation. I'm not even sure, just guessing based on what I put together. But that may not be her reason for suspecting him, and she may not even know he was the one ordered to do it (if he even was at all). I thought it was pretty suspicious that Chamot wasn't interested in tracking down Adlet. I'd think she'd want to catch and torture Adlet, but instead she was uninterested and wanted to go play in the forest. And what was that stuff she was playing with? That's pretty suspicious too. WHAT IF there really is an 8th, and the 7th and 8th are both part of this group of 7 characters and there's one more character left out somewhere who would be the real #6? Like lets just say for a minute that the real 6 Braves are Adlet, Nachetania, Fremy, Goldov, Maura, and one other person we haven't seen yet, but that one other person was captured or killed or something. That would mean Chamot and Hans are # 7 and # 8, which would explain why they seem to be close now? |
IncestEmblem said: Whoever activated the barrier would be trapped inside with a not insignificant number of fiends with no way to find out when the demon god has been defeated. Leaving the deactivation of the barrier to the incumbent saint of salts rather than whoever activated it is a harsh but not unreasonable way to reduce the risk that whoever activated the barrier would jeopardize the plan by deactivating the barrier after losing courage. And also the original plan was when all of the Braves had gathered at the barrier place, Maura would send a signal to Private Lauren & Co. Then Private Lauren & Co. would go to the barrier place to activate it while all of the Braves continue their journey to defeat the Demon God. So it will be deactivated by the Saint of Salt? In which episode was it stated? Jagd84 said: Episode 5 I believe. Are you sure? I have checked it again there's no such information like that. |
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Jagd84 said: I'm pretty sure the soldier or Brave would be prepared mentality for that sort of thing. If the activator does not know how to deactivate the barrier, then the probability of his mental fortitude breaking down and deactivating the barrier is 0. if the activator knows how to deactivate the barrier, then the probability of his mental fortitude breaking down is "I'm pretty sure the soldier or Brave would be prepared mentality for that sort of thing". It is rather obvious which is the lesser of the probabilities. Pat_To_Do-List said: So it will be deactivated by the Saint of Salt? In which episode was it stated? It was not stated. They can, of course, simply leave the barrier up until the activator dies, at which time the barrier would be deactivated. But suppose they prefer to deactivate the barrier without having the activator die, and the activator does not know how to deactivate then, then it would seem that the saint of salt would be the only other possibility. |
IncestEmblem said: It was not stated. They can, of course, simply leave the barrier up until the activator dies, at which time the barrier would be deactivated. But suppose they prefer to deactivate the barrier without having the activator die, and the activator does not know how to deactivate then, then it would seem that the saint of salt would be the only other possibility. I see. So it's only your assumption. |
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| Just to say, the Saint of Salt has nothing to do with the barrier itself, he just built the pillars protecting the temple. The Saint of Seal made that door selling the temple, and the saint of fog and saint of illusion together made the barrier itself. Frrrosty said: Zefyris said: Well 'I've read fantasy LNs with OP MCs which are actually very very good. There's three titles I have rated 8,9,9 /10 in fact. Just out of interest, can you name them? Yes : http://myanimelist.net/manga/79169/Shinigami_wo_Tabeta_Shoujo http://myanimelist.net/manga/87295/Yuusha_Aruiwa_Bakemono_to_Yobareta_Shoujo For traditional fantasy, and http://myanimelist.net/manga/88930/Youjo_Senki for a mix of 1930-ish European civilisation in an alternative world looking a lot like ours with magic added. All of those have an OreTuue type of character as a MC. Ironically, all of those MC are females. There's also http://myanimelist.net/manga/86089/Biscuit_Frankenstein in modern to science fiction setting who technically has a MC stronger than anyone else. It's a hidden gem truly, and ironically once again the MC is female. |
ZefyrisAug 20, 2015 1:43 AM
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| Since it was stated in this topic somewhere.. how can maura be sure that the fog disappears when they kill the fake? That point is probably the main reason why I cant take the situation serious. |
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Zefyris said: Just to say, the Saint of Salt has nothing to do with the barrier itself, he just built the pillars protecting the temple. The Saint of Seal made that door selling the temple, and the saint of fog and saint of illusion together made the barrier itself. Frrrosty said: Just out of interest, can you name them? Yes : http://myanimelist.net/manga/79169/Shinigami_wo_Tabeta_Shoujo . This one? http://avertranslation.com/2015/03/21/shinigami-wo-tabeta-shoujo-volume-1-episode-00/ Just read it. The prose is bad and the MC isn't charming. Also a cheap way for the MC to gain OP power. Also, from the review here. http://avertranslation.org/2015/03/26/shinigami-wo-tabeta-shoujo-ln-review/ This is a more dark novel which focuses being on the evil side. Nope. The MC is considered a hero and yet a devil Nope nope. Really, this series seems to be antithesis of Rokka. Not just this series though. There's a boom of "anti hero" fantasy stories lately. Haven't found a single good one. And while we're in a Rokka thread, I'd like to bring up Chamo, the most OP and simultaneously the most unstable psychopathic hero amongst the bunch. What I love is what the author did to her. reincarnation of a salaryman For what purpose? Also, I can't find the thing. Can't find this either. |
Comander-07 said: Since it was stated in this topic somewhere.. how can maura be sure that the fog disappears when they kill the fake? That point is probably the main reason why I cant take the situation serious. Not "kill the fake" but "kill the one who activated the barrier". They might not be the same person. Most likely, it is a well-known property of magic like that. At least to a person as knowledgeable about saints and their abilities as Mora. Alternatively, it might be written somewhere in the temple. |
flannan said: Comander-07 said: Since it was stated in this topic somewhere.. how can maura be sure that the fog disappears when they kill the fake? That point is probably the main reason why I cant take the situation serious. Not "kill the fake" but "kill the one who activated the barrier". They might not be the same person. Most likely, it is a well-known property of magic like that. At least to a person as knowledgeable about saints and their abilities as Mora. Alternatively, it might be written somewhere in the temple. she told in the temple nothing is written about how to deactivate it and she herself sayed she also has no idea. Just killing the activator is pretty lame imo. This fog thing was a plan b for when something goes horribly wrong. So they wouldnt have time to prepare. The guy in the fog would die sooner or later and then the fog would simply disappear. Even if the concept makes sense in the LN, I seem to missed the part when they discussed this in the anime. Thats the problem. If I wouldnt have been spoiled from this forum, I wouldnt even know that the fog will disappear if the activator dies. |
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Comander-07 said: she told in the temple nothing is written about how to deactivate it and she herself sayed she also has no idea. Just killing the activator is pretty lame imo. This fog thing was a plan b for when something goes horribly wrong. So they wouldnt have time to prepare. The guy in the fog would die sooner or later and then the fog would simply disappear. Even if the concept makes sense in the LN, I seem to missed the part when they discussed this in the anime. Thats the problem. If I wouldnt have been spoiled from this forum, I wouldnt even know that the fog will disappear if the activator dies. She probably had a vast knowledge about magic & all of the Saints. So maybe from her knowledge & experience, she knew that kind of magic usually deactivated if the activator died. The fog/barrier thing was not the plan B, it's the main plan. The plan B was for one of the Braves to activate the barrier alone while the other Braves continue their journey. Really? It's stated many times that if the activator died, the barrier would disappear. Zefyris said: Just to say, the Saint of Salt has nothing to do with the barrier itself, he just built the pillars protecting the temple. The Saint of Seal made that door selling the temple, and the saint of fog and saint of illusion together made the barrier itself. Still, Saint of Salt was involved in this plan. It's just that he specifically involved in building the pillars. |
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BlackFox24 said: I'm curious as to why exactly Nachetania is suspecting Hans. I mean sure there's plenty of reasons, but what's HER reason? This just sorta enforces my thought a few episodes ago when Hans said that many people of high status in her kingdom have asked him to assassinate people, and a few episodes before that Nachetania told Adlet that before she became a Saint her father ordered her assassination. I still think Hans might have been the one hired to do it, but it's just my own speculation. I'm not even sure, just guessing based on what I put together. But that may not be her reason for suspecting him, and she may not even know he was the one ordered to do it (if he even was at all). I thought it was pretty suspicious that Chamot wasn't interested in tracking down Adlet. I'd think she'd want to catch and torture Adlet, but instead she was uninterested and wanted to go play in the forest. And what was that stuff she was playing with? That's pretty suspicious too. WHAT IF there really is an 8th, and the 7th and 8th are both part of this group of 7 characters and there's one more character left out somewhere who would be the real #6? Like lets just say for a minute that the real 6 Braves are Adlet, Nachetania, Fremy, Goldov, Maura, and one other person we haven't seen yet, but that one other person was captured or killed or something. That would mean Chamot and Hans are # 7 and # 8, which would explain why they seem to be close now? I agree it may be possible that 2 of the 7 chars we know so far are fakes, but I don't think it's either Hans nor Chamot. Chamot is portrayed as an op character with a child mentality. If she wanted to I think she could have killed them all at any time. As for Hans, he's an assassin. He kills for money and has said he assassinated for royalty. That's why I think he isn't working for the Demon Lord. I'd say Nashetania is the fake. That's why she "suspects" Hans. And if there is another one amongs them, it's either Adlet or Mora. If it's Adlet, he doesn't know it and if it's Mora ( I think she's less likely to be fake compared to Adlet), she's really good at acting and Fremy might be in trouble. |
Visceras said: About all that talk about him wanting a connection with Fremy because he wants true friends, well it can be true but also makes sense if he is only helping Fremy because he understands her and wants to help her. I would be surprised if he really is helping her because of that .. if that is the case THEN I WILL REMOVE EVERYTHING I'VE SAID SO FAR ABOUT HIM. I wish the anime can adapt the ending of vol 5 right now so this argument can stop. Stop as in FULL stop. |
ttcchen said: Visceras said: About all that talk about him wanting a connection with Fremy because he wants true friends, well it can be true but also makes sense if he is only helping Fremy because he understands her and wants to help her. I would be surprised if he really is helping her because of that .. if that is the case THEN I WILL REMOVE EVERYTHING I'VE SAID SO FAR ABOUT HIM. I wish the anime can adapt the ending of vol 5 right now so this argument can stop. Stop as in FULL stop. Please don't tease like that. |
Pat_To_Do-List said: Comander-07 said: she told in the temple nothing is written about how to deactivate it and she herself sayed she also has no idea. Just killing the activator is pretty lame imo. This fog thing was a plan b for when something goes horribly wrong. So they wouldnt have time to prepare. The guy in the fog would die sooner or later and then the fog would simply disappear. Even if the concept makes sense in the LN, I seem to missed the part when they discussed this in the anime. Thats the problem. If I wouldnt have been spoiled from this forum, I wouldnt even know that the fog will disappear if the activator dies. She probably had a vast knowledge about magic & all of the Saints. So maybe from her knowledge & experience, she knew that kind of magic usually deactivated if the activator died. The fog/barrier thing was not the plan B, it's the main plan. The plan B was for one of the Braves to activate the barrier alone while the other Braves continue their journey. Really? It's stated many times that if the activator died, the barrier would disappear. Zefyris said: Just to say, the Saint of Salt has nothing to do with the barrier itself, he just built the pillars protecting the temple. The Saint of Seal made that door selling the temple, and the saint of fog and saint of illusion together made the barrier itself. Still, Saint of Salt was involved in this plan. It's just that he specifically involved in building the pillars. where was it stated once in the anime? all of them said they dont know how to deactivate the fog and that it will disappear with the dead of the activator is pretty lame. |
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Comander-07 said: where was it stated once in the anime? all of them said they dont know how to deactivate the fog and that it will disappear with the dead of the activator is pretty lame. About what? About Maura's knowledge? It's in episode 5. Yes, all of them do not know how to deactivate the current barrier. Your point? Well, "lame" is not really an argument. You have to be specific about it. |
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Sokah said: Nice of Hans to do a "before I kill you Mr. Bond" and jump on Adlet to gloat rather than just kill him. Pacing continues to be horrible. We got shown backstory that has nothing to do with getting out of the barrier. When I told a guy they're spending the entire season in the barrier his jaw literally dropped. He'd already dropped the show for bad pacing and now he felt like a super genius for doing so. He couldn't understand how a show framed as assaulting the demon king could get derailed into being about getting out of a room. 12 episodes is 2 full length movies worth of time. The Avengers could have saved the earth twice in the same time. Look. This is the clearest example of a person exposed to only uber-condenced LN adaptations with distorted story tellings. It's simply baffling to see someone write such nonsense, like, did you really include Avengers as a good example of any sort? I don't understand where have people got such a clear notion that this 12 episode LN adaptation is about defeating the Majin, maybe the whole show is about the mystery of who is the seventh, maybe the Majin's defeat is not even the main part of the show, the synopsis clearly puts focus on the mystery of the seventh, which the whole volume 1 will be about. It's more than naive to expect the series to reach its end goal and not being top tier trainwreck, especially when the novels are not finished. Honestly, I can't call this series having slow pacing, I see this series as, finally, having proper pacing and story flow, it's how a mystery story, and any fantasy adventure story, should be told with attention to details that are vital for characterization and mystery establishment, scenery usage to create atmosphere - I see no minute redundant in the show. And I simply cannot imagine this show being condensed and not being just another 3/10 LN adaptation that we have almost every season. It's a shame that you can't enjoy the show with the content it has, but calling this series as having bad pacing is simply dumb. |
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Comander-07 said: Even if the concept makes sense in the LN, I seem to missed the part when they discussed this in the anime. Thats the problem. If I wouldnt have been spoiled from this forum, I wouldnt even know that the fog will disappear if the activator dies. You seem to be a little new to the mystery genre, and a locked room mystery at that. Killing the perpetrator/person who locked the room is the conventional route any locked room mystery takes; not to mention this one in my eyes is devoid of narrative inconsistencies thus far. Trying to contest against this in Rokka, means contesting to the structure of locked room mysteries in general. Plus, Private Rowen/Lauren's presentation of episode 3 provides you all the information about the logistics of the barrier besides what has already been stated in episode 5. |
TheNaturalPerm said: "I'm going to become the Hokage!"  DERP I laughed a little too hard. oh my god xD OT:I loved this ep! It was indeed nice to see into fremie and adlet's backstory.Adlet had to cram so much knowledge into his head. and on top of that undertake such unbearable physical training, and at such a young age at that. It was much more surprising that he was forced to learn science. SCIENCE. especially with how he acts/and his demeanor. I really really like that. I was anticipating hans fight with adlet. though it seems adlet's in a bind, he'l probably make it through though. And I like hans. I kinda doubt that he's the traitor. And nashetania has been acting like an idiot/dunce and has been acting oblivious to everything ever since they even got to that temple, that I just face palm everytime she opens her mouth. So as of now, I'm confident nashetania's the 7th until proven otherwise. And in that case, this wont look good since 2 braves with leave the party and possibly try to kill the other braves. Cant wait till the next ep~ |
AshuraSanAug 20, 2015 5:54 PM
LastIllusion said: the light novel had indeed started like that (with Adlet being on the run), but the anime made it different...Well, its not really frustrating, its just that if the author wanted to go this mystery road, he shouldve started with them being in this fog and explaining little by little what was going on. Instead we got a fast moving start with the impression of an adventure journey but we are now stucked in a room with people trying to find out who the fake is. Im still interested enough to watch this anime, heck watching an episode goes by really fast but I can understand that people dont wan to watch 7+ episodes of almost no plot progression. |
Ugoki said: Zefyris said: Just to say, the Saint of Salt has nothing to do with the barrier itself, he just built the pillars protecting the temple. The Saint of Seal made that door selling the temple, and the saint of fog and saint of illusion together made the barrier itself. Yes : http://myanimelist.net/manga/79169/Shinigami_wo_Tabeta_Shoujo . This one? http://avertranslation.com/2015/03/21/shinigami-wo-tabeta-shoujo-volume-1-episode-00/ Just read it. The prose is bad and the MC isn't charming. Also a cheap way for the MC to gain OP power. Also, from the review here. http://avertranslation.org/2015/03/26/shinigami-wo-tabeta-shoujo-ln-review/ This is a more dark novel which focuses being on the evil side. Nope. The MC is considered a hero and yet a devil Nope nope. Really, this series seems to be antithesis of Rokka. Not just this series though. There's a boom of "anti hero" fantasy stories lately. Haven't found a single good one. And while we're in a Rokka thread, I'd like to bring up Chamo, the most OP and simultaneously the most unstable psychopathic hero amongst the bunch. What I love is what the author did to her. reincarnation of a salaryman For what purpose? Also, I can't find the thing. Can't find this either. We're kind of completely out of subject now. That's the WN translation, I was talking about the LN. But the Hero is pretty much on the "villain" side of the war (if we can said that,basically there's a revolution to free the kingdom of an incompetent ruler, and Shella is on the side of the King, but it's not like the rebel side is all white either) , and is indeed committing what would be considered crimes by a lot of peoples, like ordering the massacre of civilian who were helping the rebel side. She's a hero of war on the King side, and a merciless warmonger and a butcher from the rebels' point of view. IT's very good. Also, "the prose is bad". You... understand that it's the amateur english translation right? Of the WN on top of this. "Really, this series seems to be antithesis of Rokka. Not just this series though. There's a boom of "anti hero" fantasy stories lately. Haven't found a single good one." -> I was answering for good novels with OP MC, not for something like Rokka. Rokka is quite unique since it mixes properly genres that suually don't go well together. Shinigami wo tabeta shoujo is a realistic study of a powerful and charismatic hero in a time of war and the effect on the peoples around and against. Don't ever compare that work to the poor chuu2 works around that just want to show a cool dark hero. And for the others, I told you, they are not translated. You missed the second title I listed too. Which is from the same author as the first and in the same world but a prequel. This is also a deconstruction of a very powerful MC, like the other one, but this time the MC is doing only good. But has no charisma and therefore her ridiculous power lead her to be feared by the humanity she protected, and they betrayed her. Those two works are very interesting to read. The deconstruction of OP MC is a very rare occurrence and the author did it in two contrasted manner. A butcher and warmonger who is considered as a war hero, and the ultimate saviour of humanity who is feared as a monster. |
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Zefyris said: Ugoki said: This one? http://avertranslation.com/2015/03/21/shinigami-wo-tabeta-shoujo-volume-1-episode-00/ Just read it. The prose is bad and the MC isn't charming. Also a cheap way for the MC to gain OP power. Also, from the review here. http://avertranslation.org/2015/03/26/shinigami-wo-tabeta-shoujo-ln-review/ Nope. Nope nope. Really, this series seems to be antithesis of Rokka. Not just this series though. There's a boom of "anti hero" fantasy stories lately. Haven't found a single good one. And while we're in a Rokka thread, I'd like to bring up Chamo, the most OP and simultaneously the most unstable psychopathic hero amongst the bunch. What I love is what the author did to her. For what purpose? Also, I can't find the thing. Can't find this either. We're kind of completely out of subject now. That's the WN translation, I was talking about the LN. But the Hero is pretty much on the "villain" side of the war (if we can said that,basically there's a revolution to free the kingdom of an incompetent ruler, and Shella is on the side of the King, but it's not like the rebel side is all white either) , and is indeed committing what would be considered crimes by a lot of peoples, like ordering the massacre of civilian who were helping the rebel side. She's a hero of war on the King side, and a merciless warmonger and a butcher from the rebels' point of view. IT's very good. Also, "the prose is bad". You... understand that it's the amateur english translation right? Of the WN on top of this. "Really, this series seems to be antithesis of Rokka. Not just this series though. There's a boom of "anti hero" fantasy stories lately. Haven't found a single good one." -> I was answering for good novels with OP MC, not for something like Rokka. Rokka is quite unique since it mixes properly genres that suually don't go well together. Shinigami wo tabeta shoujo is a realistic study of a powerful and charismatic hero in a time of war and the effect on the peoples around and against. Don't ever compare that work to the poor chuu2 works around that just want to show a cool dark hero. And for the others, I told you, they are not translated. You missed the second title I listed too. Which is from the same author as the first and in the same world but a prequel. This is also a deconstruction of a very powerful MC, like the other one, but this time the MC is doing only good. But has no charisma and therefore her ridiculous power lead her to be feared by the humanity she protected, and they betrayed her. Those two works are very interesting to read. The deconstruction of OP MC is a very rare occurrence and the author did it in two contrasted manner. A butcher and warmonger who is considered as a war hero, and the ultimate saviour of humanity who is feared as a monster. So, where's the legit translation? |
| I told you several time there is no translation for those 4 novels ^^" (said that since the first post before being asked to list them, there is chinese translation for some but that's all . That's why I didn't listed them at first sine only peoples who can read japanese or chinese can read those currently |
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Zefyris said: I told you several time there is no translation for those 4 novels ^^" (said that since the first post before being asked to list them, there is chinese translation for some but that's all . That's why I didn't listed them at first sine only peoples who can read japanese or chinese can read those currently What a shame, if they're really as good as you said. |
| Definitely a shame. |
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| Nice build up with Adlet and Fremy. I love the behavior of Fremy, she is always calm and thinking about the possibilities. Adlet can't lose like this, I wonder how he will escape to Hans. |
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