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XartaX said: I would agree with you if this scenario was even remotely plausible. Sadly (as in because the writers are making up bogus), this could never ever happen. The creators have no idea how this kinda stuff actually work (gene tech, evolution, etc.). The Mass Effect scenario is a billion times more likely to happen. And I am sorry, but with all due respect, you have no fucking idea on how all of that shit will work a few thousand years from now either so stop being a smartass. |
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Aclos said: Oh yeah, I've been spoiled with TTGL too. But I'm still planning to finish it one day. But really, I don't get at all why most people think that some anime have been seen by everyone. It's not that hard to use common sense and put the spoiler in spoiler tag, that's what they are for after all... I don't think people realize that they're writing out spoilers. They just type out what they think :/ I usually read over what I type once or twice so I catch myself if I do write out spoilers. And most people (probably) only associate spoiler tags with the anime/manga they are discussing, like for example in Shingeki no Kyojin's episode discussions, manga readers usually remember to put spoiler tags, but fail to do so when comparing with other anime (like TTGL...=_=) |
| One of the best plot twists EVER. Urobuchi Gen, I should never have doubted you when I started this anime. Score bumped up to a strong 8 for now, and I was thinking of lowering it down to 6 from 7 if Episode 9 was bad! |
Fai said: XartaX said: I would agree with you if this scenario was even remotely plausible. Sadly (as in because the writers are making up bogus), this could never ever happen. The creators have no idea how this kinda stuff actually work (gene tech, evolution, etc.). The Mass Effect scenario is a billion times more likely to happen. And I am sorry, but with all due respect, you have no fucking idea on how all of that shit will work a few thousand years from now either so stop being a smartass. Nope, that's not enough of an excuse to break known theories to THIS extent. It's like people arguing for religion. Sure you can't 100% disprove the existance of a higher being, but I refer to Russel's teapot. The chance of this kinda development being possible is so close to nil that it can be dismissed out of hand as bullshit. Basically the null-hypothesis. If you try to defend it you're simply ignorant (as in the actual definition of the word, not the mindless insult)/a fanboy (dishonest). |
XartaXJun 3, 2013 4:53 AM
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| What surprises me now is how Ledo will act from now on. |
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| This episode.... damn 2\5 didn't like it |
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| So this is urobutcher's healing anime? Even thought he's not the director, I think he ca still influence the story. |
Magito said: So this is urobutcher's healing anime? Even thought he's not the director, I think he ca still influence the story. I warned everyone here. The man is a pathological LIAR when it comes to his projects. he said the very same thing about Madoka. |
| This was just a great episode. The whole reveal, that archive footage... it really reminded me of that part of the Animatrix where they went over how the machines took over. I think most people guessed that the Hideauze were possibly manmade once we saw them on Earth, but I don't think most people were prepared for them to be genetically modified humans. Soylent green motherf*ckers!  |
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| Leave it to Urobucher to come up with "shit" that makes Shyamalan's twists look like mere children's stories. |
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| This series is so unpredictable! We think it an action,making us thinking the meaning of been human, then slice of life, after that fanservice and more fanservice. Now! BOOOOOM!!! Urobuchi give us a horrible ugliest twisted truth to us! Urobuchi: Mwahahahahahaha!!!!! Sorry I lie~ Me:  |
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| Wasn't expecting this. Quite a development indeed. |
| Why, oh why, did I watch this after tonight's episode of Game of Thrones? Man...depressing night. |
| Holy shit, best episode of the season! It was expected that because it is something done by a revelation would Urobucher fucker motherfucker, I felt like the episode where the system sybil was revealed in Psycho-Pass, now I want to see how Ledo will react knowing that all this time their struggles were .. |
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| Excellent episode!!! As expected from a revelation episode as everything was just so informative. I loved the Chamber and Ledo combination attack on the Hideauze. As soon as they get deeper into the research institute, more Hideauze larvae is detected and Ledo starts to find things out of place. The secret of the Hideazue is known and now Ledo is most likely in the most confused state ever. If you were told to fight a certain enemy for lots of years with no reason (such as Ledo) then it will be so shocking to hear the truth after all the years you have been fighting. It seems like the ice age really pushed humanity to forward their plans with evolutionary and it seems like there were different factions such as 'Evolvers' and 'Aggressors' at the time. That little girl surely does resemble Amy but I think her name was Elaine so it may be someone related or maybe not at all. I kind of had a feeling that Hideauze may have been artificially created by humans but who would of thought that humanity would use them for such purposes and it was truly a shock to know. I wonder how Gargantia managed to survive despite the ice age and it will be interesting to know if it does get revealed? The 'Evolvers' latter became Hideauze to which I'm guessing that the 'Aggressors' eventually became the 'Galactic Alliance' but what concerns me is that Chamber tried to classify the information which kind of suggests that the 'Galactic Alliance' must have knew about the existence and the truth of the Hideazue from the start so I'm guessing only the top officials only know this and present a falsified information to their soldiers (Ledo) to make them fight the Hideauze for eternity until the day comes where they end their life spans. I'm guessing they also made AI (Chamber) emotionless and programmed them to prevent their soldiers from finding out the truth. I wonder if that last Hideauze crushed by Chamber Elaine or maybe someone related to her. Looking forward to see the people on Gargantia again in the next episode!! 5/5 |
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| Well, a solid episode, and one that I really liked. I do not think that it's so weird that Ledo was shocked by the reveal - the comparison with him killing the pirates is wrong for two reasons: first, that when he killed the pirates he had just arrived on Earth while now he has gone through a lot of personal and emotional growth (to the point that his desire to kill the Hideauze was motivated by the earnest wish to protect Amy from the danger they could pose rather than his original mission), and second, that he killed the pirates in self defense, or at least in defense of the fleet, with a very rational, soldier-like mindset, while the Hideauze are the only things he genuinely used to feel hatred, disgust and even fear for. He genuinely believed the Hideauze to be an unreasonable alien swarm, a plague of the universe on par of the Zergs from Starcraft (the comparison comes to mind immediately), the Borgs from Star Trek, or maybe Doctor Who's Daleks - aliens whose very nature drives them to destroy anything in their path. About the Continental Union vs. Evolvers argument, I tend to side with the Union, as I don't really see the fanatical approach of the Evolvers as a healthy mindset, but I can also see how the Union basically turned into a different version of the Evolvers given time and hardships enough - they now practice their own eugenics (by killing off weak humans instead than altering the genetic code, as well as allowing to reproduce only soldiers who live and fight long enough) and live in near symbiosis with the mechas they do battle on for the entire life - they are made of steel and silicon instead of organic molecules like the Hideauze shells, but seriously, how much difference does that do in the end? On another note, I was reminded of lots of different references during the episode. I am watching Shin Sekai Yori right now, so I can't guess the spoiler many of you have hinted at (though I have ideas). But Starship Troopers is definitely a strong reference for this series, and has been for a while. Not a very strong reference, but the entire "orbiting wormhole attacked by terrorists" thing made me think of Lost in Space as well. The final scene, when Chamber crushes the humanoid Hideauze while Ledo cries in shock, screams SO MUCH EVANGELION (the Eva 01 killing Satoru, and weren't Angels "alternative humans" after all?). And there's an even more obscure but I think decisive influence in an old anime called Blue Submarine No.6 - one where the remnants of mankind, decimated by a natural catastrophe, fight an underwater war against a race of submarine mutants who were actually created by an (arguably mad) scientist in an attempt to put human race to the test and see if they could peacefully co-exist with a different species (hint: they couldn't). The influence goes beyond the plot, it's even visual: (Below: Blue Submarine No. 6's mutant girl)  I found that anime's ending to be not-so-good, though, so if Suisei no Gargantia manages better kudos, I won't complain about the almost-plagiarism. |
demonichatered said: when i saw the baby forms of the hideauze i knew they were humans and it made me kind of sick to my stomach to watch chamber kill them.. heres hoping they can fix things. Yes, me too. They looked like human fetuses indeed. |
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| Considering other works of urobutch's... we all know his 'happy ending' thing is always one-sided. You know, Saya no Uta's true ending is pretty much happy ending in that sense. |
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| What a twist, very unexpected |
| Hideazu were humans, lol. Humans making their own nemesis. I suddenly remembered Shin Sekai Yori. But anyway, I didn't expect that part until I saw the baby Hideazu with the form of humans. But since it seems that the Hideazu lost their capabilities to communicate to humans can also signify that they've become lower life forms. |
| Anyway, good job people. I haven't watched shin sekai yori but it seems like you guys spoiled freaking everything. |
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| This episode was definitely one for the books, but it doesn't make up for the lack of plot development in every past episode. I am very interested in seeing how Ledo reacts to the revelation, especially considering how many of the assumed Evolvers he has personally killed. I have some gripes about the plausibility of all the footage, but that is just me being objective. Nice episode overall. This may actually be the first episode of this anime season where the plot has finally thickened and isn't some bs pull relying on shock value. |
| ^ Wait, I actually didn't think about that the footage might be bullshit within the story itself. That would actually be the only way the show can excuse itself now, by having another character directly point out that the footage has to be fabricated bullshit, precisely because it's pretty much scientifically impossible (turning a full-grown adult human organism into a space-squid). |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
XartaX said: ^ Wait, I actually didn't think about that the footage might be bullshit within the story itself. That would actually be the only way the show can excuse itself now, by having another character directly point out that the footage has to be fabricated bullshit, precisely because it's pretty much scientifically impossible (turning a full-grown adult human organism into a space-squid). Pretty much the same, lame and convenient as Voxophone in Bioshock Infinite. |
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XartaX said: ^ Wait, I actually didn't think about that the footage might be bullshit within the story itself. That would actually be the only way the show can excuse itself now, by having another character directly point out that the footage has to be fabricated bullshit, precisely because it's pretty much scientifically impossible (turning a full-grown adult human organism into a space-squid). How'd you know that, are you a bio-engineer from the future ? And Anyway, it's sci-fi, it's not meant to be 100% accurate, especially not according to our current state of scientific discovery. The whole point of science-fiction is to create something so outstanding that it could very well completely contradict all our current knowledge and understanding. |
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XartaX said: ^ Wait, I actually didn't think about that the footage might be bullshit within the story itself. That would actually be the only way the show can excuse itself now, by having another character directly point out that the footage has to be fabricated bullshit, precisely because it's pretty much scientifically impossible (turning a full-grown adult human organism into a space-squid). If we saw it from our scientific point of view, most aspect of this anime is scientifically impossible. faster-than-light travel, space exploration, even the existence of gargantia who survive the ice age could be doubted scientifically. It is for the convenience of story writer to make an SF story as far as possible and as advanced as possible from our current scientific ability, so that audience could better comprehend that this is a story of future, rather than having half-assed scientific product that everyone knows of and therefore could be shot down immediately. |
Gan_HOPE326 said: XartaX said: ^ Wait, I actually didn't think about that the footage might be bullshit within the story itself. That would actually be the only way the show can excuse itself now, by having another character directly point out that the footage has to be fabricated bullshit, precisely because it's pretty much scientifically impossible (turning a full-grown adult human organism into a space-squid). While smart tracking human vaporizing beams as the one seen in Episode 2 are SO realistic. Stop playing stupid by using 'lol u find realism in sf' bs, he's talking about plausibility. |
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DawnJ said: Gan_HOPE326 said: XartaX said: ^ Wait, I actually didn't think about that the footage might be bullshit within the story itself. That would actually be the only way the show can excuse itself now, by having another character directly point out that the footage has to be fabricated bullshit, precisely because it's pretty much scientifically impossible (turning a full-grown adult human organism into a space-squid). While smart tracking human vaporizing beams as the one seen in Episode 2 are SO realistic. Stop playing stupid by using 'lol u find realism in sf' bs, he's talking about plausibility. Those smart tracking human vaporizing beams aren't plausible either. So, just kick back and enjoy the show. If you can't do that and have to play the pickle in the fruit salad to have fun, the just GTF.... don't hesitate to leave. |
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Darkbento said: How'd you know that, are you a bio-engineer from the future ? And Anyway, it's sci-fi, it's not meant to be 100% accurate, especially not according to our current state of scientific discovery. The whole point of science-fiction is to create something so outstanding that it could very well completely contradict all our current knowledge and understanding. Well, I'm not from the future. There are certain rules you don't want to break, even in sci-fi, if you want to remain credible. You can't just do whatever you want with your fiction and just say "supertech did it". You have to put some effort into it. zlood said: If we saw it from our scientific point of view, most aspect of this anime is scientifically impossible. faster-than-light travel, space exploration, even the existence of gargantia who survive the ice age could be doubted scientifically. It is for the convenience of story writer to make an SF story as far as possible and as advanced as possible from our current scientific ability, so that audience could better comprehend that this is a story of future, rather than having half-assed scientific product that everyone knows of and therefore could be shot down immediately. I don't mean impossible just with our CURRENT tech, I mean impossible as in this wouldn't work in any foreseeable future. It's about as likely as Earth imploding tomorrow. Like I said above, you can't just handwave it away as "future tech" if you don't put any effort into making said tech credible. I repeat, you can't simply change a fully-grown human organism into a spacesquid. There are (real) theories on FTL, you know (e.g. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/ideachev_prt.htm ) Wordsmith said: Those smart tracking human vaporizing beams aren't plausible either. So, just kick back and enjoy the show. If you can't do that and have to play the pickle in the fruit salad to have fun, the just GTF.... don't hesitate to leave. They're a lot more plausible than this bio-bullshit, although I never tried to defend those in the first place (killing/altering the biological makeup to FATAL results is a lot easier. Or are you talking about the tracking part? We don't know for sure what kinda beam it is, so we can't say the properties of it, thus that discussion is moot). |
XartaXJun 3, 2013 7:52 AM
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| Welp, that's a blatant misuse of gene-therapy if I ever saw one. Noone here is saying you can't do shit with DNA. I'm saying you can't turn a fully-grown adult human organism into a space squid. If they at LEAST kept it to experimenting on human embryos and gradual change over several generations, then I could at least have suspended my disbelief for a sec. But showing the same guy who was earlier a normal fully-grown human as a spacesquid? Without any kind of alien involvement (which by their presence would have broken the need to follow convential science. Well, to a degree)? Derp. |
XartaXJun 3, 2013 8:12 AM
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
Wordsmith said: DawnJ said: Stop playing stupid by using 'lol u find realism in sf' bs, he's talking about plausibility. Those smart tracking human vaporizing beams aren't plausible either. So, just kick back and enjoy the show. If you can't do that and have to play the pickle in the fruit salad to have fun, the just GTF.... don't hesitate to leave. Obviously either you don't know what 'plausible' means or are just trolling. Plausibility of tech/theory/whatever is one of the most important things in Sci-Fi(and in other fiction genres too). Anyway, the video scene is just too convenient. |
DawnJJun 3, 2013 7:59 AM
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| Oh boy, idiots have taken over. I don't want to get dumber by reading their retarded rambling so I'm out. See ya next week (hopefully without tweedle dee and tweedle dumb) |
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Wordsmith said: Oh boy, idiots have taken over. I don't want to get dumber by reading their retarded rambling so I'm out. See ya next week (hopefully without tweedle dee and tweedle dumb) See ya butthurt fanboy. |
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XartaX said: ^ Wait, I actually didn't think about that the footage might be bullshit within the story itself. That would actually be the only way the show can excuse itself now, by having another character directly point out that the footage has to be fabricated bullshit, precisely because it's pretty much scientifically impossible (turning a full-grown adult human organism into a space-squid). Changing a person's genetics can already be done, actually. They pick the genetic code, change it in any way they want, then exchange it with a virus' DNA, and put the virus inside the body. It'll go shoving it inside cells and changing the current DNA with the new modified one. |
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| Just for reference, I wasn't referring to the integrity of the science of the time, rather to the survivability of the videos themselves and whether all recorded scenes on said footage would have been able to be recorded. I do think that this is rather convenient in terms of plot devices, but that is exactly the point of this episode and I am not as concerned about this as I am for say a rather over hyped show that is also airing this season. |
XartaX said: zlood said: If we saw it from our scientific point of view, most aspect of this anime is scientifically impossible. faster-than-light travel, space exploration, even the existence of gargantia who survive the ice age could be doubted scientifically. It is for the convenience of story writer to make an SF story as far as possible and as advanced as possible from our current scientific ability, so that audience could better comprehend that this is a story of future, rather than having half-assed scientific product that everyone knows of and therefore could be shot down immediately. I don't mean impossible just with our CURRENT tech, I mean impossible as in this wouldn't work in any foreseeable future. It's about as likely as Earth imploding tomorrow. Like I said above, you can't just handwave it away as "future tech" if you don't put any effort into making said tech credible. I repeat, you can't simply change a fully-grown human organism into a spacesquid. There are (real) theories on FTL, you know (e.g. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/ideachev_prt.htm ) That's why I said it is for the convenience of SF story writer to create technologies within their stories however they want, because it doesn't matter if it's possible or not, what author need to think about is that the technologies is consistent with their plot. Most SF authors are not scientist you know, so are their audiences. Oh, Your link doesn't provide any information remotely resembling human transformation, btw, I only see interstellar transportation. never mind, I read the wrong part, |
zloodJun 3, 2013 8:42 AM
| On the second thought, this is more plausible than QB's second law of thermodynamics bullsh!t in Madoka Magica. |
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| .. well thats quite a twist.. |
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zlood said: Oh, Your link doesn't provide any information remotely resembling human transformation, btw, I only see interstellar transportation. That's because you mentioned FTL being scientifically impossible. Derp. Litrydow said: And how does this makes it possible to change a fully-grown human organism into a spacesquid? Try to give me a link about changing something major about an adult human and I'll concede (such as letting a person grow a third fully-functional arm, for instance. And no, some research growing an (non-functional as far as the rat is concerned) ear on the back of a rat doesn't really count, lol). And I mean after having grown up as a healthy human being, not from birth.Changing a person's genetics can already be done, actually. They pick the genetic code, change it in any way they want, then exchange it with a virus' DNA, and put the virus inside the body. It'll go shoving it inside cells and changing the current DNA with the new modified one. DawnJ said: On the second thought, this is more plausible than QB's second law of thermodynamics bullsh!t in Madoka Magica. Lets not open that can of worms |
XartaXJun 3, 2013 8:43 AM
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| This was a significantly stronger effort than the last 6 or so episodes, but I think the only reason people think it's blow your socks off amazing is because it's Gen Urobuchi. Take that guy out of the equation and you merely have a well-received episode and positive episode, keep him in and people shit their pants claiming it's the best thing ever seen. The guys like Yuki Kaijura and Kyoani now, people just go overboard with the praise and worship whenever certain names are involved in the equation. I'll just say let's see where the show takes itself from here, I have a feeling it'll be interesting, I just hope people can keep there pants on with Urobuchi on staff. 0.o |
| Now that was an awesome twist. Still hope they manage to finish everything without it being rushed |
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