| Denied: Heaven's Will (17524) - here The Trouble with Tink (17474) - can't find anything by that title, maybe because it's Disney and search results get saturated by that. Resubmit with more info--an image at least. |
shinkeikakuDec 27, 2009 12:15 PM
| Merge: Angel Love Song (4549) is a one shot in: Glittering X-Mas Story 2003 |
vindemon64 said: Merges Blame Academy! Blame Academy! Afternoon Blame! NSE Winged Armor Suzumega Zeb-Noid all into Blame Gakuen! And So On Shouldn't http://myanimelist.net/manga/7714/BLAME!_2 and http://myanimelist.net/manga/12268/Blame_Academy!_III be merged too? |
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| Denied: Moonlight Goddess Diana (17585): Already a part of Mermaid Melody Pichi Pichi Pitch Kyō, Koi wo Hajimemasu (17502): Already exists Here |
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| Denied - Shoujo Guard (17602) Shoujo Guard (17616) Shoujo Guard (17619) GOT IT! dj not by original creators: Night of the Succubus (17612) Togainu no Chi dj (17604) Full Moon o Sagashite dj - Dear Moon (17581) Umi no Sakyuugi Nocturne (17579) Shoujo Eve Ringo Jikake no 24 Ji (17580) collected in Shinshi Doumei Cross |
shinkeikakuDec 29, 2009 7:51 AM
| Denied: -Bakumatsu Renka Karyuu Kenshiden (17626) & Bakumatsu Renka Karyuu Kenshiden (17627) same as Bakumatsu Renka Karyuu Kenshiden (17628) -DAMATTE NAITE IRUNODESU (17632) same as Damatte Naite Irunodesu (17631) -Zatoichi (17613) same as Zatoichi (17617) -Tsumanuda Kakutoumachi (17625) same as Tsumanuda Fight Town (17543) -Ai no University he Youkoso (17558) one-shot in Furachi na Kare no Shitsukekata (5348) Also people a link to mangafox, one manga, and ect. does not go in the website box. That is for official websites, be it an English or Japanese site from a publisher or author. |
BrandDec 29, 2009 8:24 PM
| I agree 100% with YoungVagabond. I won't write again the same arguments he gave, but I'd like to show you guys this link: http://www.manga-award.jp/jp/award_005.html There is a brazilian manga there that won the international manga award. There are also manga from France and other countries. Japan has created a prize for the so-called World Manga. They are recognizing it. But MAL is going back on time and erasing them, except for the OEL. Kineta said: We cannot judge what is world manga and what isn't based on aesthetics as this is very subjective. Although being a OEL or not is objective, the decision that only OEL and manga from other countries that were published in english is a subjective decision. I've read Holy Avenger and I can rite here without a doubt that its more like a manga than some OEL I've read. You could just rename the category to OEL/OFL or to world manga and there would be no need to create the OFL category. Kineta said: and is difficult to find accurate information on. MAL has tons of users from everywhere in the world. Why not ask them for information about these series? Or better, you could choose people from other countries to be a type of mod consultant and ask them for info about these series. You could even use the same process you have for choosing new mods. |
| Nousatsu Rock Star merged into Nousatsu Rock Shounen. The oneshot was released as chapter 1 of volume 1. |
radiantfire said: the number of series from a particular country and the flow of scanlations those series are characterised with would not justify active streams of activity. Exactly. As Young Vagabond wrote: YoungVagabond said: But that's precisely what I fail to understand about the decision; it hurts the utility of MAL for a portion of its users, and improves it for none of them. Meanwhile, so little of what you guys examine in the queue has to do with OFL manga, that the time gain is negligible. Listen, I completely agree with and sympathize with setting boundaries. You CAN find Holy Avenger at mangahelpers. And someone here wrote, when YoungVagabond argued that those series were in mangaupdates, that this isn't mangaupdates, which is a site that is geared towards manga readers. You guys are also forgetting that MAL is a site people use to discover new stuff. Maybe some OFLs are still underground, but manga was underground in the west someday, and sites like MAL made the difference. Maybe someday a company in an english speaking country learn of the popularity of one of these and publish it in english. radiantfire said: @m4rc0: Think of it this way: Would the effort we (both staff and users) exert in the addition and management of OFLs lead to a healthy facilitation among MAL users? Yes, it would. It would need very little effort and it would benefit thousands or even tens of thousands. radiantfire said: We do however accept them if they are published in English since MAL's target demographic are English-speaking anime and/or manga followers. IMO that is a big mistake. MAL has been an international community for ages. It has more or less 270000 accounts, and I can guarantee that more or less 0,7% is composed of brazilians. We have people from other american countries, lots of europeans and many southeast asians. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. You don't need to translate the site or the db, but I don't think you guys should forget that MAL is way past that target demographic. |
radiantfire said: Case in point: Manhwa. Manhwa is rendered an OFL according to our definitions, yet we accept them. The decision to keep manhwa series was profoundly due to the fair amount of activity in relation to our targeted demographic (this would be anime/manga followers who can read, understand, and speak English). Not only is there a fair amount of series being scanlated, but there is an active flow of scanlations for those series. Moreover, such scanlations are made available in many sites that are geared towards manga readers (e.g., Manga Fox, Manga Helpers, Manga Updates, etc.). BB Project, Holy Avenger, and likely others are available on Manga Updates and similar sites. Beyond that, if we adopt the criteria above, then we come to another logical conclusion. Namely, that OEL should ALSO be deleted from the database, considering how relatively little activity, new titles, and scanlation there is going on in the genre. And yet, OEL is kept, while currently scanlating, popular OFL manga like BB Project, Holy Avenger, and others are deleted. Why? The explanation probably lies with Dramacon, a very popular OEL which a number of the manga moderators are also big fans of. Lastly, shouldn't you also delete manhua (Chinese manga) while you're at it? That's also a relatively niche area with far less activity than manhwa. Oh, wait...there are some well-known shoujo titles that the manga moderators also really like in that genre. Nevermind. If only there was a major OFL shoujo! Then the criteria would be different... |
YoungVagabond said: The explanation probably lies with Dramacon, a very popular OEL which a number of the manga moderators are also big fans of. Lastly, shouldn't you also delete manhua (Chinese manga) while you're at it? That's also a relatively niche area with far less activity than manhwa. Oh, wait...there are some well-known shoujo titles that the manga moderators also really like in that genre. Nevermind. If only there was a major OFL shoujo! Then the criteria would be different... I can assure you the the explanation doesn't lie with the personal preference of the Manga Mods. It was a decision that was agreed upon between all of the moderators after months of discussion. Every mod was given a chance to look at the pro's and con's of keeping OFL in the database, and it was ultimately decided that it was not a direction that MAL would be taking. I don't know if I could describe it better than radiantfire or Kineta, however, you really can't place it on personal preference of a few people. |
radiantfire said: 1. MAL caters for anime/manga followers who can at least understand English. 2. The majority of users are in locations where they are able to acquire OEL publications. Since I'm apparently the only non-native engllish speaker here I am probably the one that can write this: there are LOTS of users in this site that can't understand english porperly. I know many of them. They read manga and watch anime scanlated and subed in their native languages. The site is very easy to use. And I don't know if you guys know this, but many products don't come with menus or manuals in every language, so we kinda learned how to deal with stuff in other languages. Being able to purchase doesn't mean its something easy to do. The price is in strong currencies and there are shipping fees. You forget that there are people from poor countries here. The price might be abusive for their economic realities. radiantfire said: Also, while we refer to Manga Updates, we do place limitations in regard to our reference to the site. For instance, MU accepts and displays unofficial doujinshi entries while we don't./quote] Then you shouldn't have mentioned it as a basis for comparison. But you also mentioned other sites, such as mangahelpers and Holy Avenger is there. You still haven't really explained why this "flow of scanlations" and number of submitted entries is relevant. The number of scanlated OFLs WILL increase with time and so the number of submitted entries. And in my view, a small number should make it easier for you guys. It should be a plus. A job that makes a lot of users happy and is easy to do. Also, there are lots of manga in the DB that aren't available in english and aren't beng scanlated or have a "weak flow". Aarana said: It was a decision that was agreed upon between all of the moderators after months of discussion. Every mod was given a chance to look at the pro's and con's of keeping OFL in the database, and it was ultimately decided that it was not a direction that MAL would be taking. I don't know if I could describe it better than radiantfire or Kineta, however, you really can't place it on personal preference of a few people. Why didn't you guys create a topic to discuss that with the users? The forum has a poll feature. You could let people vote and express themselves. This is a community website. And since you done that in a totally hermetic way, it was just the preference, or opinion, if you will, of a few people... In the end, the pro (satisfying users) of keeping them really outweights the con (the work needed to get info about underground OFLs, since there is info in english about the mainstream ones). Of course, I'm assuming that user satisfaction is one of your work's goals. And finally, happy new year to you guys (a little late, I know). |
| Deleted Duplicates in the queue: -'Hajimete' Ageru! (17697) -Ashita no Kimi wa Koko ni Inai (17629) -Blue (Chiba Kozue) (17699) -Love & Noise! (17692) |
radiantfire said: Also, MAL is a website that was designed to cater for an English-speaking audience. Although we acknowledge that it has a diverse community, we're not going to ignore who our primary target audience is. As such, we've implemented guidelines that adhere to such an audience. MAL was originally designed as an animelist site. If people didn't thought about expanding it, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm not talking about what MAL was, I'm talking about what it is and about what it will be, becasue the proportion of non-native speakers will keep rising. I understand that you don't want to loose your main target, but I can't see how keeping OFLs in the database gets in the way of english speakers. What I can see is that it enhances the experience to the rest. We got back to the start of the discussion: YoungVagabond said: it hurts the utility of MAL for a portion of its users, and improves it for none of them. Since you are a manga mod, I'll give you an example. Have you ever noticed the huge number of bishounen in modern shounen manga? Titles like Bleach, Rebonr and D. Gray-man, for instance. They surely aren't there to appeal to the male teenagers. Its something they do to lure the female audience taht doesn't harm the main audience's experience. radiantfire said: If by any chance more and more foreign manga are being scanlated, distributed, and accessed by users, then we would consider amendments. Isn't that a waste of efforts? If you'll allow it again when the demand rises, why do'nt you save your efforts of finding, deleting and then adding it again in the future and just leave them there, where they are doing no harm? I still think that you should hear the users and let them vote in such matters. Posting it and allowing no comments on the guidelines seems completely authoritary to me. |
m4rc0Jan 2, 2010 8:23 PM
m4rc0 said: Posting it and allowing no comments on the guidelines seems completely authoritary to me. Who said you couldn't comment on the guidelines? Look, you commented. No one is stopping the users from voicing their opinions. Though, it is probably best to create a new topic, so we don't continue hijacking this thread of updates ;) Back on the topic at hand: Denied: Shoujo Eve Ringo Jikake No 24 Ji (17708) - It is published in: Shinshi Doumei Cross |
AaranaJan 2, 2010 10:39 PM
| People need to learn to read. Aarana didn't ask you to make a new thread for complaints and feedback about the guidelines for no reason. You're allowed to discuss the guidelines and disagree with us as much as you'd like, but this is not the place to do it. Just so you know, this thread will be checked and if I find a post under this one that doesn't belong here, it will be removed without notice. I don't care how good your arguments are or if you find that unreasonable, as reading and following it is the least you can do. |
| Denials Holy Night? (17516) - not enough info. please resubmit with more fields filled out. Cherry ♥ Blossom (17586) - included here Rabu Rabu Chienji! - Koi wa Ichizu ni! (17587) - I believe this is included here, but I could be wrong. If so, please resubmit and submit with more information next time. Merges Kimi ga Tenshi ni Mieru Toki into Yuki no Project |
| Merges Kimi ga Tenshi ni Mieru Toki is Volume 1 of Yuki no Project Itazura na 24 ji is Volume 3 of Yuki no Project Saikyou Venus is included in the anthology Animal Jungle His Body Temperature Her Long Sigh is included in the anthology Love & Sex Dreaming Santa Claus was included in Koi wa On Air! |
KinetaJan 5, 2010 1:43 AM
| Denied: Minna Kirakira (17638) - already here Black Magic M66 - already here |
| Like Shoujo? Visit: Emily's Random Shoujo Manga Page |
| Denials Lock On! (17745) - Already exists Naruto Shippuuden (17751) - self explanatory, but in case it isn't, this is included here Miyamoto Musashi (17719) - please refrain from submitting twice. exists as ID 17718 |
| Merge: After School Sex Slavery Club Plus 1 into: Houkago Dorei Kurabu |
| Denied: Mimi-kun no Boy no Kisetsu (17749) - duplicate submission; this was accepted ANGEL LOVE SONG (17653) - included in this collection Nani-sama?! Ore-sama (17651) - a oneshot in this manga Gakuen Mokushiroku (17658) - duplicate of Highschool of the Dead Keroro Gunsou dj - Keroro Tokuhon (17767) - unofficial doujinshi |
AnomalousJan 8, 2010 1:44 PM
| Denials Sugar Chuudoku (17667) - already exists Nobody Knows (17669) - not enough info. please re-submit with more Shinyaku Ookami ga Kuru! (17676) - already exists Maboroshi no Miyako (17682) - not enough fields filled out. please re-submit with more info. AKUTOU II (17683) - already exists |
| Denied: KOI NI OCHITA OUJISAMA (17771) KOI NI OCHITA OUJISAMA (17772) already here RAPPA (17761) duplicate submission, approved one is here Oujisama no Saron (17733) this one-shot is already a part of this |
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| Denied: Re-Take (17794) - Just like it says in the summary, an unofficial doujinshi. Koi, Hirari (17784) - already in the database Yume-Iro Fanta (17702) - already in the database |
AnomalousJan 10, 2010 3:14 PM
| Merges: XXX Kiss Mark is included in Scoundrel Scandalous Honey Removals: (OFL incorrectly typed as Manga) All In Breath Effect Omega Complex Vairocana |
| Denials Snow Gift (17707) - not enough info. please resubmit with more. |
| Denied: Eroica yori Ai wo Komete (17819) --already exists here |
| Like Shoujo? Visit: Emily's Random Shoujo Manga Page |
| Denied: Inmortal Rain (17817) same as Immortal Rain (373) Ookami Kakushi (17809) & Ookami Kakushi (17810) & Ookami Kakushi (17811) same as Ookami Kakushi (17808) |
| Denials Yaeka no Karte (17734) - included in here Our Kingdom: Arabian Nights (17735) - included in here |
the_seventh_l said: vindemon64 said: Denials Yaeka no Karte (17734) - included in here Our Kingdom: Arabian Nights (17735) - included in here I'm confused. Not the one who submitted it, but why was Our Kingdom: Arabian Nights denied? It has its own tankōbon --> http://www.amazon.com/Our-Kingdom-Arabian-Nights-Yaoi/dp/1569701288/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263434986&sr=8-1 Hmm.....that's weird. I forgot what site I looked at, but it had the Arabian Nights story listed as a one-shot in the Our Kingdom series, which is why I denied it. But now that I see it is its own story, I apologize to whoever submitted it. If you can re-submit it, I'll approve it then. Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks for bringing that to my attention, the_seventh_l. :D |
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