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Jul 30, 2015 3:29 PM

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Mikasa said:
Technically it is haram for muslims to watch anime, especially in this day and age with incest and all. So either you're not very religious or you should not be watching anime.
sorce pls. what are forbidden for us are worshipping picture, not watching picture.
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Mikasa said:
Technically it is haram for muslims to watch anime, especially in this day and age with incest and all. So either you're not very religious or you should not be watching anime.

A whole medium can't be considered haram, genres and subsections can. Not unless you're an extremist will it be that way.
Jul 30, 2015 5:02 PM

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Unyilkdr said:
Mikasa said:
Technically it is haram for muslims to watch anime, especially in this day and age with incest and all. So either you're not very religious or you should not be watching anime.
sorce pls. what are forbidden for us are worshipping picture, not watching picture.


Drawinf humans is like creating life thus playing god so according to islam it is haram
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Jul 30, 2015 5:03 PM

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Red_Keys said:
"My beliefs" can't be insulted because they are neither tangible nor conscious.

I'll drop an anime if I think the writing or direction is bad. "Bad" can mean a many number of things, and yes, celebrating something I morally oppose qualifies as "bad".

This, except for the dropping thing. I generally don't drop stuff.
Jul 30, 2015 5:10 PM

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Mikasa said:
Unyilkdr said:
sorce pls. what are forbidden for us are worshipping picture, not watching picture.
Drawing humans is like creating life thus playing god so according to islam it is haram
okay, first of all, that's forbiden drawing life creaturs because the porpose, not the picture it self. even our prophet never order to burn every script that have pictures on it, what are destroyed are statue and painting that considered worshipping by people. and it's them playing with god. not us. we not even belive it as the truth. just like another fiction.
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Jul 30, 2015 5:13 PM

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Nope, just as how i wouldn't drop a friend if he/she turned out to be atheist. Everyone has their own opinions and are entitled to voice them. It's just up to you whether you would be offended or not.
Jul 30, 2015 5:15 PM

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It would have to be really offensive.

Jul 31, 2015 7:48 AM

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I'm a Muslim and I don't really have any problem with any of the religious stuff in anime or any other form of fiction, for that matter. It's fiction, just don't take it seriously, is all (I know the retort that's coming, so don't even bother). If it were to do it tastelessly, I wouldn't drop it just for that, but I would rate it less as it is done badly. Not necessarily because my religion was insulted. If it's in a satirical manner, by a person whose attitude fits insulting religion in satirical manners, I'd actually rate it higher.

Long story short, my religion only plays a part in my daily life and even then, it doesn't do much at the time (I'm not very religious). When it comes to fiction, anything is game. Anything.


Technically it is haram for muslims to watch anime, especially in this day and age with incest and all. So either you're not very religious or you should not be watching anime.


It's not haram. Worshiping pictures is haram. Drawing or sculpting for religious purposes is haram. In Islam, will (as in purpose) is everything. So long as I don't worship anime (which I don't), it's not haram. What is haram, however, is me watching hentai, as that is porn.

P.S. This is why I say you don't read.
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(I'm not very religious)
Jul 31, 2015 8:04 AM

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I don't know, never saw / notice any anime offending my belief. I usually drop the show because boring to me though
Jul 31, 2015 8:25 AM
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codephat said:
It would have to be really offensive.


In what capacity? Example please.
Jul 31, 2015 8:42 AM

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To all the atheists, does is offend you when an anime mentions god, since your religion doesn't believe in god?
Jul 31, 2015 8:43 AM

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yhunata said:
Mikasa said:


Technically it is haram for muslims to watch anime, especially in this day and age with incest and all. So either you're not very religious or you should not be watching anime.


It's not haram. Worshiping pictures is haram. Drawing or sculpting for religious purposes is haram. In Islam, will (as in purpose) is everything. So long as I don't worship anime (which I don't), it's not haram. What is haram, however, is me watching hentai, as that is porn.

P.S. This is why I say you don't read.
yhunata said:
(I'm not very religious)


Again, learn to read. I wasemphasizing the fact that you don't count. Cause "real muslims" surely would be offended. I'm not referring to people born as muslims, but ones with strong beliefs. To them anime is haram
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Jul 31, 2015 8:44 AM
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ichii_1 said:
To all the atheists, does is offend you when an anime mentions god, since your religion doesn't believe in god?


Interesting, Wonder how many true devote atheists there are in the world.
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Mikasa said:
yhunata said:


It's not haram. Worshiping pictures is haram. Drawing or sculpting for religious purposes is haram. In Islam, will (as in purpose) is everything. So long as I don't worship anime (which I don't), it's not haram. What is haram, however, is me watching hentai, as that is porn.

P.S. This is why I say you don't read.


Again, learn to read. I wasemphasizing the fact that you don't count. Cause "real muslims" surely would be offended. I'm not referring to people born as muslims, but ones with strong beliefs. To them anime is haram


I don't know about this, but The total muslim viewership of anime is probably bigger than the population of european anime viewers.
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ichii_1 said:
To all the atheists, does is offend you when an anime mentions god, since your religion doesn't believe in god?

No. Its the same as people in real life mentioning god. I dont care really.

Generally anime have fantasy gods, that are legitimately real corporeal beings, so its not unreasonable. In such a situation, I would be religious if there is definitive proof gods exist.
Jul 31, 2015 8:57 AM

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shintai88 said:
Mikasa said:


Again, learn to read. I wasemphasizing the fact that you don't count. Cause "real muslims" surely would be offended. I'm not referring to people born as muslims, but ones with strong beliefs. To them anime is haram


I don't know about this, but The total muslim viewership of anime is probably bigger than the population of european anime viewers.


Interesting to note that Muslim-country channels cover even the thighs on a girl in anime. So it's Halal-ness comes at a cost of severe censorship.

Chrollo's last name is not Lucilfer. Kami and other gods from DBZ are just "some really strong senseis"

So don't tell me they are not "offended" in any way.
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Mikasa said:
Again, learn to read. I wasemphasizing the fact that you don't count. Cause "real muslims" surely would be offended. I'm not referring to people born as muslims, but ones with strong beliefs. To them anime is haram


"Real Muslims" ha. And what, may I inquire, makes a so-called "real Muslim"? Is it praying? Believing in the One True God, maybe? Recital of the Holy Quran? A "real Muslim" is one who believes that Allah is the one true God and that Prophet Muhammad is his messenger from the bottom of his heart, with no doubts. I do believe that and that makes me a "real Muslim". Also, just in case you're confused, being offended and being angry are both very discouraged in Islam, so one with a "strong belief" should not be getting offended in first place.

Btw, my source? 19 years of life at Maldives, a total Muslim country and near 16 consecutive years of learning Islam as a subject.

P.S. Don't take my not being offended at this stuff as me not being a "real Muslim", because I'm psychologically incapable of being offended... at anything.
Jul 31, 2015 9:03 AM

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There was a rumor in Muslim countries in the 2000s that Pokemon was an Israeli product.
The fucking Minister of Education in Iraq had to go on TV to explain that Charmandee did not mean some Israeli subliminal message. In Jordan and Syria it was still ongoing until Digimon along.

Lays was boycotted for having these gift-discs that featured pokemon collection pictures (they were popular)

So, there you have it, entire nations offended by anime based on their beliefs.
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Jul 31, 2015 9:06 AM

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Mikasa said:
There was a rumor in Muslim countries in the 2000s that Pokemon was an Israeli product.
The fucking Minister of Education in Iraq had to go on TV to explain that Charmandee did not mean some Israeli subliminal message. In Jordan and Syria it was still ongoing until Digimon along.

Lays was boycotted for having these gift-discs that featured pokemon collection pictures (they were popular)

So, there you have it, entire nations offended by anime based on their beliefs.


And your point is? That I'm wrong or that it's possible for Muslims to be offended?
Jul 31, 2015 9:41 AM

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Mikasa said:
There was a rumor in Muslim countries in the 2000s that Pokemon was an Israeli product.


Oh shit what have I been doing all this time! :O
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Jul 31, 2015 9:49 AM

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if an anime was able to insult my beliefs (which would be really hard considering I don't believe in much) and it somehow affected me (which would also be hard cuz my feelings are near untouchable) and made me think about it... then I think that its probably a show worth watching lol.

if it has me questioning stuff, that could be interesting. Most anime isn't worth a second thought, not that their bad, just not that their so complexe that you got to think about it afterwards.
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Mikasa said:
There was a rumor in Muslim countries in the 2000s that Pokemon was an Israeli product.
The fucking Minister of Education in Iraq had to go on TV to explain that Charmandee did not mean some Israeli subliminal message. In Jordan and Syria it was still ongoing until Digimon along.

Lays was boycotted for having these gift-discs that featured pokemon collection pictures (they were popular)

So, there you have it, entire nations offended by anime based on their beliefs.


I'm far from being a fan of Islam, but you're putting out very lame strawman.

A 'real Muslim' is already bad enough, especially because you don't bother to define it. I'd expect some knowledge of Islam before that. Then again, there are a lot of ultra-orthodox Jews who act like they never read the Ten Commandments.

But it should be obvious Islam's beef (or pork? excuse me for the joke) is with religious drawings, not drawings in general and with sexuality. I wonder what yhunta's stance on sexual content, by the way - how far is too far for him.
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Jul 31, 2015 10:33 AM

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TheBrainintheJar said:
I wonder what yhunta's stance on sexual content, by the way - how far is too far for him.


Like I said earlier, when it comes to fiction, anything is game. Go as far as you want.
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yhunata said:
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I wonder what yhunta's stance on sexual content, by the way - how far is too far for him.


Like I said earlier, when it comes to fiction, anything is game. Go as far as you want.


You said you don't watch hentai, that sexual imagery is haram. Where's the limit that turns something from okay to haram?
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Jul 31, 2015 5:06 PM

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I'm a free thinker. open to almost everything, so far there's no anime that offended me. it's different when i'm just being squeamish.
Jul 31, 2015 5:14 PM

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I'm atheist so I don't get offended easily. They have a different culture and I respect that. I dropped Ketsuekigata-kun!, but that was more because I didn't understand it rather than it offending me. It was about the personalities associated with different blood types. That isn't part of my culture, so I didn't understand it. I could watch an anime that has Christianity or Buddhism as a main theme because I know more about those and it could be interesting to watch.
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ichii_1 said:
To all the atheists, does is offend you when an anime mentions god, since your religion doesn't believe in god?
of course
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Jul 31, 2015 5:32 PM

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That's a stupid reason for dropping something. I like it and I think it's interesting when I have my beliefs challenged.

No stupid and trite low-brow humour, though. That stuff is just lame, even when it isn't trying too hard to offend.
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Karadzic said:
ichii_1 said:
To all the atheists, does is offend you when an anime mentions god, since your religion doesn't believe in god?
of course

not!
How can an atheist be insulted when the name of imaginary friend is mentioned ?
Jul 31, 2015 5:44 PM

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In my opinion,anime is anime,real life is real life,anime has nothing to do with real life so i dont really care if its offended my beliefs
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tennogame said:
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of course

not!
How can an atheist be insulted when the name of imaginary friend is mentioned ?
i was never offended with any premise that showed a fictional character called god.(kami sama) as i'm not offended with any fictional character.
Jul 31, 2015 8:18 PM

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zombie_pegasus said:
I'm atheist so I don't get offended easily.

If there's something I've learned from time here, it's that generally speaking, atheists can get offended just as easily as everyone else.
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icirate said:
zombie_pegasus said:
I'm atheist so I don't get offended easily.

If there's something I've learned from time here, it's that generally speaking, atheists can get offended just as easily as everyone else.


atheists are the fuckiest of fuckbois

but back on topic, no. i dont get offended at really anything for two reasons

1. I'm not white
2. I'm not a fuckboi
Jul 31, 2015 8:59 PM

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I'm not an overly sensitive pc baby, so no

If it's offensively bad, then yes (Elfen Lied, Attack on Titan etc)
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Never have, most likely never will.
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No, that's petty and I don't intend to fabricate a proverbial echo chamber for myself.
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i wouldn't call myself religious. i guess i like to believe there's a higher being watching over me but i don't pray or read "holy" books.

so no, i wouldn't drop an anime because none of that would truly offend me.
besides, it's fiction so to be honest anything goes.
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ichii_1 said:
To all the atheists, does is offend you when an anime mentions god, since your religion doesn't believe in god?


Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion.

Found this on the Wikipedia
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Lvin_20 said:
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To all the atheists, does is offend you when an anime mentions god, since your religion doesn't believe in god?


Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion.

Found this on the Wikipedia

Nothing you said invalidates that question.
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Only incest, not because incest is wrong (which I still believe it is) it's because the sister is usually a shitty character and best girl gets shat on ;-;
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It still hasnt no evidence that God isnt real though. And nope, Science hasnt disprove the existence of God. Just because u cannot see the dood doesnt mean he isnt real


Does that mean the flying spaghetti monster could be real too?

Does that mean a magic monkey-like creature who is purple and has a refrigerator for a hand and a palm tree tail that created the universe could be real also?

Yay!


There is a god and he exists here

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I've got pretty thick skin so it would take a lot for a television series or movie to offend me.
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Lvin_20 said:


Atheism is not a belief system nor is it a religion. While there are some religions that are atheistic (certain sects of Buddhism, for example), that does not mean that atheism is a religion.

Found this on the Wikipedia

Nothing you said invalidates that question.


Your existence invalidates God.
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PoeticJustice said:
Your existence invalidates God.

Wanna phrase that in a syllogism or something?
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I believe god is hentai and stalker(through is my friend).
what else can hurt my believe.


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TheBrainintheJar said:
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Like I said earlier, when it comes to fiction, anything is game. Go as far as you want.


You said you don't watch hentai, that sexual imagery is haram. Where's the limit that turns something from okay to haram?


I said that I do watch hentai, despite the fact that it is haram. Haram is anything that is forbidden by the Holy Quran. Porn is forbidden and as such, hentai (which, by definition, is porn) is haram. For further details, the spoiler is all I can offer with my (limited for a Muslim) knowledge.

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of course

not!
How can an atheist be insulted when the name of imaginary friend is mentioned ?
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yhunata said:
TheBrainintheJar said:


You said you don't watch hentai, that sexual imagery is haram. Where's the limit that turns something from okay to haram?


I said that I do watch hentai, despite the fact that it is haram. Haram is anything that is forbidden by the Holy Quran. Porn is forbidden and as such, hentai (which, by definition, is porn) is haram. For further details, the spoiler is all I can offer with my (limited for a Muslim) knowledge.




I misread you. I was pretty sure you said you didn't watch hentai.

Thanks for the insight.

@The whole atheist debate: Just because atheism isn't a religion doesn't mean they don't get offended. I've seen plenty of easily offended atheists. Most of these were also terrible at explaining why they're atheists. I wonder if there's a connection.
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