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| Well, too much comments on this discussion of the first episode but by the looks it will br just 3 pages from now on, good. That way I'll know if soemone alradey wrote something like I would write. I kinda liked the first episode because I felt the correct thing from the scenes: hated bullies, felt bad for MC, hated the two-faced brother, hated the fact that the cat was killed. It sure was weird to hear Frieza's giving away magical powers to girls but ok XD. Let's see what happens next. Kaetokiha said: I like this dark mahou shoujo animes. Very good first episode. I wanted to throw those three girls to a huge group of homeless and let them rape the girls for an entire day. I think their deaths were too light, they deserved much more. Lustreless said: The bullying was way over the top, but also lacking any trace of realism to solidify the setting and make one feel for Aya. Not quite the same level of psychological despair you can encounter in SubaHibi or Yume Miru Kusuri. And I'm okay with it, because even what we got made me uncomfortable as fuck. It was grimdark, but poor direction deprived it of its potential to actually deliver serious impact. 3/5, I guess, but I'll definitely check out more of it. What do you mean realism? Are you saying those things doesn't happen in real life? Read the news and sometimes and you'll see things even worse. I have seen a video of a group of girls playing ping pong with a girl where the bullied girl (or the ball if you prefer) was standing there and the other 3 girls where just kicking her to each other. I think it's easier to imagine soccer players passing a ball to each other in a circle the only difference was that there was girl instead of a ball. I only think that the brother bulling was too exaggerated. I was expecting him to do it more in a psychological way than just punching her like that. JaVzD said: It was a chapter meh, I mean, the story is interesting, but the harassment that the girl recieves is too exaggerated, also, it seems that nobody does or knows anything in that school. It felt a forced chapter. Again, i roll my eyes to these comments. Do you think IRL bullied people get any help at all? If they had help they wouldn't be bullied anymore. That's how it happens, they get bullied and no one knows (or pretend to not know) or do anything so the bullied person keep getting bullied until somethings happens. Usually the bullied person is too afraid to seek help so it takes a long time until someone with enough power to stop the bullied get the word. Sometimes no one helps at all and the person commit suicide or something like that. Watch less anime and read more news about the world and you see how much people get bullied like that. The only person I'll quote here, you're absolutely right, this kind of things does happen to some people and no one helps them, everyone just stand by themselves and does nothing against bullying... Well, not everyone but most of the people, some ef the others simpply doesn't know about it. It's not like I've gone through that but I do know it happens and that's why I get mad at this kind of situations... |
| One day I'll be active here, in the mean time I'll keep track of what I watch offline 😅 |
| Very edgy, but this is the most entertaining anime so far this season for me, and it wasn't even on my radar until a few hours ago. |
JuggernautG1 said: Still don't know how this reminded you to re-watch K-On though... By being as much its complete opposite as it can possibly get. I need to somehow dispel the effects of 23 minutes of this with a good dose of fuwa fuwa time. But seriously, this is depressing. Aya's life sucks, then it sucks some more, then it goes on sucking for a while, and then they kill the kitty. On top of all, a magical solution comes up, and by the look of it (I haven't read the manga or know anything more than what is shown in this episode) it will turn out to get even worse. Perhaps there's a happy ending but it's nowhere in sight so far. As to whether her situation is too exaggerated or unreal as has been mentioned above, I don't think so. Life can actually be like that with some people. At least where I live, one hears about real cases of each thing that happens to her. Not all of them to the same person and at the same time, and that's where it gets unreal. But that's the whole point, to pile up all that shit on the MC to make way for the later development of the plot. If there was any redeeming quality in her life this would be a different story. Or she could be projecting onto the rest of the world some of the abuse she is getting from the girls and brother, so that her parents, teachers and the others are not actually that cold or indifferent. Depression can get you like that sometimes. I mean, it could be that what we see is not what is really happening but how she perceives it, a first person POV. I don't think it's so, but anyway the result would be the same. I'm not really dropping this. Not that I enjoy it, but I'd like to see at least where the story goes. |
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GranSaiyaman said: Well, too much comments on this discussion of the first episode but by the looks it will br just 3 pages from now on, good. That way I'll know if soemone alradey wrote something like I would write. I kinda liked the first episode because I felt the correct thing from the scenes: hated bullies, felt bad for MC, hated the two-faced brother, hated the fact that the cat was killed. It sure was weird to hear Frieza's giving away magical powers to girls but ok XD. Let's see what happens next. Kaetokiha said: I like this dark mahou shoujo animes. Very good first episode. I wanted to throw those three girls to a huge group of homeless and let them rape the girls for an entire day. I think their deaths were too light, they deserved much more. What do you mean realism? Are you saying those things doesn't happen in real life? Read the news and sometimes and you'll see things even worse. I have seen a video of a group of girls playing ping pong with a girl where the bullied girl (or the ball if you prefer) was standing there and the other 3 girls where just kicking her to each other. I think it's easier to imagine soccer players passing a ball to each other in a circle the only difference was that there was girl instead of a ball. I only think that the brother bulling was too exaggerated. I was expecting him to do it more in a psychological way than just punching her like that. Again, i roll my eyes to these comments. Do you think IRL bullied people get any help at all? If they had help they wouldn't be bullied anymore. That's how it happens, they get bullied and no one knows (or pretend to not know) or do anything so the bullied person keep getting bullied until somethings happens. Usually the bullied person is too afraid to seek help so it takes a long time until someone with enough power to stop the bullied get the word. Sometimes no one helps at all and the person commit suicide or something like that. Watch less anime and read more news about the world and you see how much people get bullied like that. The only person I'll quote here, you're absolutely right, this kind of things does happen to some people and no one helps them, everyone just stand by themselves and does nothing against bullying... Well, not everyone but most of the people, some ef the others simpply doesn't know about it. It's not like I've gone through that but I do know it happens and that's why I get mad at this kind of situations... Back in elementary school grade 5~6, I did face bully by classmates as well as teacher's neglect cuz I were a transfer student. I also have a violent brother who seems to have mental issue. However even to me, this is WAYYY over-the-top. The parents? The passengers? Education department? Police? Other students? No-one has anything to say? This is not some secret child abuse, it's public torture. Do note that this is in modern Japan, not some dark age period. If you want realistic bullying, go watch A Silent Voice. If you want realistic child abuse, go watch Erased. |
Ventus_SApr 7, 2018 4:36 PM
| This was awful. I want more. |
jTiKey said: ganomed said: Mahou Shoujo Shit you mean Mahou Shoujo Shite This is just gore porn with some sailor moon flavor. The author should really seek some psychiatric help. if you seen his other works maybe Ventus_S said: SadNihilist said: Knowing the case of Junko Furuta, I don't think the mc's situation is as exaggerated as what the others say. Not saying that the show doesn't have problems though. Anyhow, the first episode is interesting enough for me to look forward for the next episodes. I hope it'll get good! This may be the case in other less developed country , but the point is it's way over the top. Seriously, it's not the 4 trashes in the show that make it unbelievable, it's that EVERYONE in the show being cold blooded cunts and the mc takes no action at all in modern Japan is what makes it unbelievable. If he's abused this much, the other classmates should have known already, and police/ education department would already have taken actions. It is not those hidden abuse, it's way too over the top and obvious that it's hard to hide anymore, yet every other individuals act indifferent. Well, it focuses too much on the edge instead of depression, which is exactly the point. To be fair it shouldn't have to be realistic and the authors manga's have ALWAYS been about edge also someone being abused that much doesn't mean others know and a lot of people would ignore it though as you said others would notice but that doesn't mean the police could do anything if the bullied girl says nothing and if it was that bad there is no way in hell they would have fought back but the fact everyone is a cunt is unbelivable but it shouldn't have to be believable |
| Anyone else got a few Hell Girl vibes? A over-the-top, extremely edgy version of it that is, minus the quality, but with fun potential nevertheless. We'd better get some retribution from this girl at some point and not just her killing her bullies on accident, or that other girl doing it. |
| I feel like the word "edgy" has lost it's original meaning through time and people just use it to apparent they have good anime tastes. The first episode was interesting. I wouldn't recommend it to people who have depression or depressive tendencies though. |
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| I LOVE THIS Its so edgy Its exactly what I wanted to watch. Its depressing as heck but that makes it all the more endearing. I want to see the MC come out of her misery. I want to see hope be given to her, only to be dashed until finally she's able to grab hope with her fists and make her life wonderful again. So yeah I like the premise. EDIT: LMAO  |
removed-userApr 7, 2018 7:44 PM
| I disliked this so much that I even had to break my own rule of not rating a series when I drop it after the first episode. 1/10 tbqph |
| Currently playing: Persona 3 FES, Subarashiki Hibi ~Furenzoku Sonzai~ |
| Completely forced and excessive victimizing/suffer porn without a moment to breathe, and with no reason to care. Everyone around our blandly emo nth-degree victim protagonist is either a nobody or an over-the-top superbully. It's so overblown it becomes predictable; you see the cat and you know it's about to be killed because this is a show about constant maximizing of misery. I could see some finding it so overboard it's funny, but while normally I'm the type to enjoy so-bad-it's-good titles, personally I can't even laugh here. I just find this grating. Dropped. |
| The problem creators do when setting up depressing situations like this is the shear level of bullying is unrealistic. I understand that there are of course situations where things like this happen. However, when no peer cares, no teacher cares, no admin cares, family doesn't care. It's unrealistic. Brother is beating the shit out of her sister everyday and the parent's have ZERO awareness. These three girls terrorize her everyday and no one in school has any idea what is going on. So while the depth of despair being set up has its purpose for this show, it's so far fetched that it makes it cringe worthy. I don't see this being a mere set up but a trend in the show. It's a cop out creatively because there isn't any imagination. It's just basically "how awful can we be to this person for the sake of being awful". The truth is no one is every that alone, there is always an outlet these days to save souls like this. It's that simple. This is just another bs dark majou shoujo clone. |
IZEROIIApr 7, 2018 8:56 PM
| What the hell did I just watch and why am I so aroused? |
私のホバークラフトはウナギでいっぱいです。 |
| Good episode. The beginning however was different from the manga. Started with Aya eating breakfast with her family and her brother being a scummy shit via text. Not...whatever the fuck that was lol. And I fucking hate the bullies and the brother. Feels good that one of the bullies and the senior got killed off Edit: To anyone bitching about it being edgy, it does tone it down...a bit xD |
Zetsu_95Apr 7, 2018 9:30 PM
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| So what, basically every person in her life is either completely uncaring,or a total psychopath? That's fucked up. And then the swimming sperms at the end, wtf? |
| I already read the manga so I already knew it what expect. But, wow, the design in the anime is so horrible. By the PV and cover, I kind expected more. Aparently the anime is being made by a novice studio, but I don't know if I can excuse that... Even the OP was low effort (It was just scenes from the episode). And very weird ending... |
BookGuardianApr 7, 2018 10:19 PM
| great, another twisted mahou shoujo anime with a hint of bullying. wonderful... I already have low expectation before, but the bullying made it worse that I stop caring... one thing that ticks me off is the scene with her bro, he relieve his stress by beating her... I know well this will sounds wrong, but come on, if they really trying to make her miserable, at least do it throughly and make him r*pe her meh, at least the bullies got what they deserve there, I was kinda mad if all the gun do is just make them dissapear, so the moment they got runned by the train is just pure bliss :9 |
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| OMFG! WOW! EPIC EPISODE! any Majou Shoujo is an auto pick for me!!! 5/5! |
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| lmao magic panties. |
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NanaPirro said: The red-haired girl who does not have a sock, she had a pretty serious injury that will be fatal to her? Anyway if you wonder why scums and egoist people in this work of fiction often wins is because of darwinism, the manga i based on this concept, the strong person, no matter how bad and heartless he is, win and get to the top of the chain over the weak, the weak is tortured, the strong torture. Unless you become more strong and surpass the others, kindness have no place and bring only more sadness, and this is how the mc will arise step by step from her weakness and become more strong. However if you haven't a strong heart and determination too even the strong can succumb, brute force don't pay in the long run, the power of magical girls have a double edge side effect if you pay close attention to the eyes and mouth of the two girls. This is indeed a great concept, raw and crude without any compromises, but this is the reason why this work is so different and over the top, a rare gem. |
Fn76Apr 8, 2018 1:53 AM
| This anime is actually fucked. All the people who complained about Made in Abyss being nothing but torture porn should watch this lol. |
Ventus_S said: GranSaiyaman said: Well, too much comments on this discussion of the first episode but by the looks it will br just 3 pages from now on, good. That way I'll know if soemone alradey wrote something like I would write. I kinda liked the first episode because I felt the correct thing from the scenes: hated bullies, felt bad for MC, hated the two-faced brother, hated the fact that the cat was killed. It sure was weird to hear Frieza's giving away magical powers to girls but ok XD. Let's see what happens next. The only person I'll quote here, you're absolutely right, this kind of things does happen to some people and no one helps them, everyone just stand by themselves and does nothing against bullying... Well, not everyone but most of the people, some ef the others simpply doesn't know about it. It's not like I've gone through that but I do know it happens and that's why I get mad at this kind of situations... Back in elementary school grade 5~6, I did face bully by classmates as well as teacher's neglect cuz I were a transfer student. I also have a violent brother who seems to have mental issue. However even to me, this is WAYYY over-the-top. Do note that this is in modern Japan, not some dark age period. If you want realistic bullying, go watch A Silent Voice. If you want realistic child abuse, go watch Erased. Again this is not that unreal. Some of the things the girls do to her might not happen IRL that much (like the shoving her head in the latrine), but everything else is very very easy to happen. The parents? The passengers? Education department? Police? Other students? No-one has anything to say? This is not some secret child abuse, it's public torture. The parents were clueless and the father only had eyes to his "great son", they never pay attention to the girl, although this seems unreal it does happen IRL too. The brother does everything late at night when the parents are sleeping it seems. As for the others, did you see anyone around when she was getting bullied? There was no one ever because that's how bullies do their "job". The police or the school doesn't know and the teacher is a piece of shit who doesn't care about his students. There haven been many news about how teachers doesn't do much against bullying in japan this is not strange at all. Students are not going to help her ever. Is modern Japan (like you said)where no one wants to confront others. Japanese people prefer to endure things in silence than confront others. You should know this already. I don't know how can you say that it's public abuse when it's clear no one knows. Only other students know and they will NOT interfere at all. |
I despise woke people. |
| Before watching the first episode: Oh, another Madoka Magica? After watching the first episode: This is Madoka Magica on steroids. But in all seriousness, there were so many things in this first episode alone that were just really over the top. The unrelenting bullies, the uncaring teacher, the sadistic brother, the violence, the poor cat death we all saw coming. I am usually fine watching psychological horror, but there was something about this that just made my stomach turn and my skin crawl. I gotta say though, I'm liking it despite the faults. I'm interested to see how much more fucked up this gets if that was only the first episode. |
| Call me when Villains are Destined to Die gets an anime adaptation. |
| Man, that had to be one of the most unsettling, uncomfortable and downright depressing starts to an anime I've ever seen. This'll obviously be compared to other shows like Madoka Magica and Ikusei Keikaku as well as Elfen Lied to some degree, but it does show some originality in its very grim and bleak tone. Despite that, I am genuinely curious about what the series will offer. Judging from the score already, I see a lot of people whining about how 'edgy' it is and how it's pretty much exploiting sensitive issues for the sake of invoking sympathy for a character. Even if it makes for an unsettling and unnerving viewing experience, if that is what it was going for, then it did succeed. If people can get over how uncomfortable it is to watch, I think this might be a dark horse for the season. 4/5 |
OmegaOtakuApr 8, 2018 3:03 AM
  "𝚃𝚒𝚖𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚖𝚒𝚡 𝚍𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚔𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚌𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚐𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚜." ☆ 𝙰𝚗𝚒𝚖𝚎 𝙻𝚒𝚜𝚝 ☆ ☆ 𝚅𝙽𝙳𝚋 ☆ ☆ 𝙱𝚊𝚌𝚔𝚕𝚘𝚐𝚐𝚎𝚛𝚢 ☆ |
| @IZEROII @curzon17 @watchanimu @cup-of-sleuth @AiyanaMiyuki For all the people here (there is a lot) saying that the bullying is too over the top and unreal, guys you NEED to read more news and less manga. Read just this one news here...https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21720643-evacuees-fukushima-are-latest-suffer-torment-class-why-bullying-japanese-schools I'll quote this to those who are too lazy to click on the link... FIVE months after the tsunami that led to his family’s evacuation from Fukushima, the boy enrolled at a new school in Yokohama. His new classmates were pitiless. They called him “germ boy”. They stole his things. They punched and kicked him and threw him down the stairs; they took him to a “study” room and beat him some more. He was eight years old. The abuse went on for nearly three years before the bullies added extortion. In 2014 they told the boy to hand over any compensation his family may have received after their evacuation. His parents were in fact not eligible for any recompense, but relatives had lent them ¥1.5m ($13,000). They kept it in cash at home, fearful that they would again lose access to bank accounts. The boy gave all the money to his classmates. After the cash ran out he stopped going to school altogether. The boy was beaten repeatedly, they stole his things, threw him down the stairs and made him give them a lot of his family money. This was a REAL bullying. Another important quotes... According to Mitsuru Taki of the Ministry of Education...In Japan most cases (of bulying) involve a big portion of a class inflicting insistent psychological (and occasionally physical) torment on a single victim. “Bullies in Japan are not rotten apples,” he says. “It is a group phenomenon.” Teachers rarely help. They are renowned for their pedagogical prowess, especially in maths. But most are not trained to spot bullying. There are few incentives to notice or deal with it, notes Kanae Doi of Human Rights Watch (HRW). Teachers who do not achieve harmony, she says, are seen as poor performers. One survey suggests that around 12% of teachers have taken part in bullying. A quarter of high schools allow corporal punishment. Bullies are rarely punished: in 2014 there were 188,057 reported cases and just two suspensions. In the case of the boy from Fukushima (the boy in the first quote i did), the school board in Yokohama for months tried to blame him for what had happened, suggesting he had handed over his family’s savings voluntarily, before changing its mind after much public criticism. See? The anime is not portraying something totally unreal that never happens, instead those things happen all the time (maybe not all of them to the same person) in Japan. Bullying even happen with adults against other adults there. And help won't come. Even when the parents of the bullied student go seek a resolution with the school principal it won't do much. Most of the time the principal will try to put things under the rug to not harm the school prestige. You can hate this anime all you want, but saying that the bullying is unreal is stupid and it pisses me off to know that people here and SO clueless like this (although it doesn't surprise me). @Jhon_Bacon yeah the Junko Furuta case is way too cruel and it doesn't need to be an anime, but it shows how the bullying can be much much worse than what this anime is showing. |
KaeUBWApr 8, 2018 3:42 PM
| I despise woke people. |
Jhon_Bacon said: youseiki said: I hope the Director makes an anime about the hell true story of Junko Furuta who was a 17-year-old Japanese high school student who was abducted, tortured, raped, and murdered in the late 1980s. Approximately 100 people knew about Junko Furuta’s captivity, but either did nothing about it or themselves participated in the torture and murder. Furuta was held captive in the Minato residence for forty days, where she was abused, raped and tortured. They also invited and encouraged their other friends from Yakuza, to torment Furuta. According to their trial statements, the four of them:[2][3][4] Raped her over 400 times. Beat her several times. Starved her. Hanged her body from the ceiling and used her as a "punching bag" Dropped barbells onto her stomach several times. Forced her to eat live cockroaches and drink her own urine. Forced her to masturbate in front of them. Inserted foreign objects into her vagina and anus. Shoved a still-lit light bulb into her vagina. Set fireworks into her anus, vagina, mouth and ears. Burnt her vagina and clitoris with cigarettes and lighters. Burnt her eyelids with hot wax and lighters Tore off her left nipple with pliers. Pierced her breasts with sewing needles. NO THANKS!!!! Doesn't mean we enjoy watching the whole thing despite in some extreme cases it happen in real life , especially when someone is abducted/ hidden. But they're doing it in public place :/ Like, even if it's real, do you really want to watch an anime base on this? |
Kaetokiha said: @IZEROII @curzon17 @watchanimu @cup-of-sleuth For all the people here (there is a lot) saying that the bullying is too over the top and unreal, guys you NEED to read more news and less manga. Read just this one news here...https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21720643-evacuees-fukushima-are-latest-suffer-torment-class-why-bullying-japanese-schools I'll quote this to those who are too lazy to click on the link.. FIVE months after the tsunami that led to his family’s evacuation from Fukushima, the boy enrolled at a new school in Yokohama. His new classmates were pitiless. They called him “germ boy”. They stole his things. They punched and kicked him and threw him down the stairs; they took him to a “study” room and beat him some more. He was eight years old. The abuse went on for nearly three years before the bullies added extortion. In 2014 they told the boy to hand over any compensation his family may have received after their evacuation. His parents were in fact not eligible for any recompense, but relatives had lent them ¥1.5m ($13,000). They kept it in cash at home, fearful that they would again lose access to bank accounts. The boy gave all the money to his classmates. After the cash ran out he stopped going to school altogether. The boy was beat repeatedly, they stole his things, threw him down the stairs and made him give them a lot of his family money. This was a REAL bullying. Another important quote... According to Mitsuru Taki of the Ministry of Education...In Japan most cases (of bulying) involve a big portion of a class inflicting insistent psychological (and occasionally physical) torment on a single victim. “Bullies in Japan are not rotten apples,” he says. “It is a group phenomenon.” Teachers rarely help. They are renowned for their pedagogical prowess, especially in maths. But most are not trained to spot bullying. There are few incentives to notice or deal with it, notes Kanae Doi of Human Rights Watch (HRW). Teachers who do not achieve harmony, she says, are seen as poor performers. One survey suggests that around 12% of teachers have taken part in bullying. A quarter of high schools allow corporal punishment. See? The anime is not portraying something totally unreal that nevers happens, instead those things happen all the time (maybe not all of them to the same person) in Japan. You can hate this anime all you want, but saying that the bullying is unreal is stupid and it pisses me off to know that people here and SO clueless like this (although it doesn't surprise me). @Jhon_Bacon yeah the Junko Furuta case is way too cruel and it doesn't need to be an anime, but it shows how the bullying can be much much worse than what this anime is showing. We're here to watch anime, not some torture porn yknow.. Would any normal people really enjoy watching someone suffer that much? If the director really insist on showcasing those without any good reasons , we have all the right to call it edge though. It's like torture movies, when they go way over the top to show people all those torture games , it starts becoming unintentional comedy and people stop taking it seriously anymore. I am well aware that there're unbelievable / unspeakable stuffs happen in real world all the time (like some insane torturing and such), but doesn't mean we need to watch and enjoy it, and doesn't mean the situation presented in this anime doesn't feel forced as hell. |
| It's kind of sad to see people judging this already ^^' If you look at the source material (manga) you can see that the score isn't that bad, 'cause you know - it kinda gets better. Not saying it's a masterpiece or good - but it's not utterly horrible. I would guess that the anime will improve too, since it has been an 1:1 adaption of the manga so far. But whatever - you do you :) |
There's no possible way you can steal my heart    I want to drown in this sweet Melancholy |
Ventus_S said: We're here to watch anime, not some torture porn yknow.. Would any normal people really enjoy watching someone suffer that much? If the director really insist on showcasing those without any good reasons , we have all the right to call it edge though. It's like torture movies, when they go way over the top to show people all those torture games , it starts becoming unintentional comedy and people stop taking it seriously anymore. I am well aware that there're unbelievable / unspeakable stuffs happen in real world all the time (like some insane torturing and such), but doesn't mean we need to watch and enjoy it, and doesn't mean the situation presented in this anime doesn't feel forced as hell. Yes they do enjoy watching this. This is pure fiction so we all know that there are no cats being killed here and no girl is being bullied. Watching her suffering and eventually (hopefully) the much deserved punishment to the bullies is good. You are talking only taking your own perspectives here. "Any normal people"...are you a psychologist to say who is normal or not based on what people watch? How do you know others doesn't enjoy this? It's the same thing to say those who watch rape hentai are not normal and that they will rape someone IRL too. It's fucking retarded. I feel angry watching this kind of bullying, if sad for the girl, i fell and urge to kill the bullies and i get angry for no one helping her. Those kind of emotions are exactly what these kind of entertainment (be it a book, manga, anime movie...) is trying to extract from you. If you do NOT want to feel any of those feeling this anime is not for you and you should just not watch it. I knew from the PVs that this anime had bullying, it was very clear. I decided to watch it because i hoped to see something dark and i got it. |
KaeUBWApr 8, 2018 3:52 AM
| I despise woke people. |
| Horror/trash manga is the only kind of manga I read, I'm happy they try to adapt some like this one :D It'll be amazing |
Kaetokiha said: Ventus_S said: We're here to watch anime, not some torture porn yknow.. Would any normal people really enjoy watching someone suffer that much? If the director really insist on showcasing those without any good reasons , we have all the right to call it edge though. It's like torture movies, when they go way over the top to show people all those torture games , it starts becoming unintentional comedy and people stop taking it seriously anymore. I am well aware that there're unbelievable / unspeakable stuffs happen in real world all the time (like some insane torturing and such), but doesn't mean we need to watch and enjoy it, and doesn't mean the situation presented in this anime doesn't feel forced as hell. Yes they do enjoy watching this. This is pure fiction so we all know that there are no cats being killed here and no girl is being bullied. Watching her suffering and eventually (hopefully) the much deserved punishment to the bullies is good. You are talking only taking your own perspectives here. "Any normal people"...are you a psychologist to say who is normal or not based on what people watch? How do you know others doesn't enjoy this? It's the same thing to say those who watch rape hentai are not normal and that they will rape someone IRL too. It's fucking retarded. I feel angry watching this kind of bullying, if sad for the girl, i fell and urge to kill the bullies and i get angry for no one helping her. Those kind of emotions are exactly what these kind of entertainment (be it a book, manga, anime movie...) is trying to extract from you. If you do NOT want to feel any of those feeling this anime is not for you and you should just not watch it. I knew from the PVs that this anime had bullying, it was very clear. I decided to watch it because i hoped to see something dark and i got it. Like I said it becomes unintentional comedy in the end , at least for me. I stop feeling sad and just feel absolutely hilarious because of the edge. It's like back it Ousama game scenario. We know it's fictional, and we know the director/ author just want us to feel bad/ feel sad by forcing the extreme on the viewer, so that makes it hilarious to me. Also rape in hentai is quite different from the torture porn. People watch fictional rape which victim unrealistically enjoying themselves for the physical need, but I don't think watching torture porn helps me accomplish anything. |
Kaetokiha said: @IZEROII @curzon17 @watchanimu @cup-of-sleuth For all the people here (there is a lot) saying that the bullying is too over the top and unreal, guys you NEED to read more news and less manga. Read just this one news here...https://www.economist.com/news/asia/21720643-evacuees-fukushima-are-latest-suffer-torment-class-why-bullying-japanese-schools I'll quote this to those who are too lazy to click on the link... FIVE months after the tsunami that led to his family’s evacuation from Fukushima, the boy enrolled at a new school in Yokohama. His new classmates were pitiless. They called him “germ boy”. They stole his things. They punched and kicked him and threw him down the stairs; they took him to a “study” room and beat him some more. He was eight years old. The abuse went on for nearly three years before the bullies added extortion. In 2014 they told the boy to hand over any compensation his family may have received after their evacuation. His parents were in fact not eligible for any recompense, but relatives had lent them ¥1.5m ($13,000). They kept it in cash at home, fearful that they would again lose access to bank accounts. The boy gave all the money to his classmates. After the cash ran out he stopped going to school altogether. The boy was beat repeatedly, they stole his things, threw him down the stairs and made him give them a lot of his family money. This was a REAL bullying. Another important quotes... According to Mitsuru Taki of the Ministry of Education...In Japan most cases (of bulying) involve a big portion of a class inflicting insistent psychological (and occasionally physical) torment on a single victim. “Bullies in Japan are not rotten apples,” he says. “It is a group phenomenon.” Teachers rarely help. They are renowned for their pedagogical prowess, especially in maths. But most are not trained to spot bullying. There are few incentives to notice or deal with it, notes Kanae Doi of Human Rights Watch (HRW). Teachers who do not achieve harmony, she says, are seen as poor performers. One survey suggests that around 12% of teachers have taken part in bullying. A quarter of high schools allow corporal punishment. Bullies are rarely punished: in 2014 there were 188,057 reported cases and just two suspensions. In the case of the boy from Fukushima (the boy in the first quote i did), the school board in Yokohama for months tried to blame him for what had happened, suggesting he had handed over his family’s savings voluntarily, before changing its mind after much public criticism. See? The anime is not portraying something totally unreal that nevers happens, instead those things happen all the time (maybe not all of them to the same person) in Japan. You can hate this anime all you want, but saying that the bullying is unreal is stupid and it pisses me off to know that people here and SO clueless like this (although it doesn't surprise me). @Jhon_Bacon yeah the Junko Furuta case is way too cruel and it doesn't need to be an anime, but it shows how the bullying can be much much worse than what this anime is showing. I suppose I am comparing the bullying here to what I've experienced personally, and I was physically bullied for no reason other than being a punching bag for someone with a terrible family life. Mind you, I don't plan on dropping the show, I am intrigued, but what I meant by over the top is that it felt like I was being forced into feeling sorry for the protagonist and that it was glorifying her abuse. We don't get to see if at one point she ever actually felt like life was worth living before we're dropped headfirst into a shit-fest. Maybe it's true to what bullying is like in real life in Japan, but most of us here are unfamiliar with that, because I'll be honest I always thought the anime bullying tropes were exaggerated. However, now that I know the tropes have some truth to them I'll probably take them more seriously, but that doesn't make me feel like the first episode was any less intense. Actually, I feel like it was more intense now. |
| Call me when Villains are Destined to Die gets an anime adaptation. |
| @Kaetokiha I'd like to note as well, that I've already had to turn a friend away from this anime who had been really interested by the summary because they have problems with disturbing imagery and violence like this and the summary gives no real warning to what is coming your way. And you could just say "Well the PVs made it obvious" all you want, but not everyone watches the PVs and I wouldn't even recommend THOSE to my friend. |
| Call me when Villains are Destined to Die gets an anime adaptation. |
cup-of-sleuth said: @Kaetokiha I'd like to note as well, that I've already had to turn a friend away from this anime who had been really interested by the summary because they have problems with disturbing imagery and violence like this and the summary gives no real warning to what is coming your way. And you could just say "Well the PVs made it obvious" all you want, but not everyone watches the PVs and I wouldn't even recommend THOSE to my friend. I understand what you said about it being over the top. I personally feel like the brother is what makes everything less realistic. (but this is because i know that bullying like that happens in school) The writers tried to show that the girl had no rest and had no place to go to be freed from being bullied, but i think they could have done that in a less straight forward way. If they showed her parents just ignoring her and praising only her brother it would be enough to see that she was suffering at home too even without being beaten. But of course, her brother will have to be dealt with too and we will see that and that may cause a lot of troubles in her home. If he was not a bullying then she would have no reason to deal with him. Yes i agree with you in not recommending this anime to your friend and people who doesn't like violence. I don't read the manga, but i imagine more violent things will come so it's not a good watch for people who doesn't enjoy it. Yeah i also should keep in mind that not everyone watches the PVs before the first episode. @Ventus_S I feel like those things ended up becoming comedy to you because these kind of anime doesn't bring the right feeling from you. It's like watching comedy without find it funny at all or watching a romance, but disliking the main couple so you ended up not caring about what happens to them. On the other hand when you love the main couple you probably will get very interested in what happens to them and want to see them get together. If the anime (or book or whatever) can't extract the right feelings from you it's either because it's bad or that anime is not for you. I just dislike the idea of "normal people" don't watch X thing. Hunger games and Saw were movies that had success exactly because people wanted to see others dying in a over the top death. Most of the deaths in those movies are gruesome or very painful, but people still want to see that. Other people suffering can be very entertain to watch and humanity has proven to like it since ages ago. The only problem was that before people used to see real people suffering. |
KaeUBWApr 8, 2018 5:02 AM
| I despise woke people. |
| Yaah, just kill them all. |
| The only thing I like from this episode is The Cat. It was very cute and i noticed the cat's fate before it shows the end. Well, the start of the story didn't hit me but I just don't care what wil happen next. This make me think about Madoka Magika a lot. So, just gave 5/10 for the beginning. |
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| Wow this actually made me feel sick. Why must we watch a poor girl get tortured in school only to come home to her brother brutally punching her in the stomach? And then her fucking cat killed by her bullies the morning before they unleash a foaming-mouthed monster on her to rape her? Seriously, this is just bad, cheap shock value. People say this reminds them of Madoka? How exactly? At least Madoka still feels like a mahou shoujo anime. This episode was just a disappointment. I hate these dark magical girl shows trying to out-edge each other. Why did the magical girl genre become this? You can make GOOD dark mahou shoujo shows, like Princess Tutu or Utena. These subversive shows don’t all need to be a masterpiece but when it’s gotten to the point where the whole episode is just a little girl getting the shit beaten out of her, it’s gone way over the edge. |
| “May those who accept their fate be granted Happiness, may those who defy their fate be granted Glory.” |
Kaetokiha said: Ventus_S said: Back in elementary school grade 5~6, I did face bully by classmates as well as teacher's neglect cuz I were a transfer student. I also have a violent brother who seems to have mental issue. However even to me, this is WAYYY over-the-top. Do note that this is in modern Japan, not some dark age period. If you want realistic bullying, go watch A Silent Voice. If you want realistic child abuse, go watch Erased. Again this is not that unreal. Some of the things the girls do to her might not happen IRL that much (like the shoving her head in the latrine), but everything else is very very easy to happen. The parents? The passengers? Education department? Police? Other students? No-one has anything to say? This is not some secret child abuse, it's public torture. The parents were clueless and the father only had eyes to his "great son", they never pay attention to the girl, although this seems unreal it does happen IRL too. The brother does everything late at night when the parents are sleeping it seems. As for the others, did you see anyone around when she was getting bullied? There was no one ever because that's how bullies do their "job". The police or the school doesn't know and the teacher is a piece of shit who doesn't care about his students. There haven been many news about how teachers doesn't do much against bullying in japan this is not strange at all. Students are not going to help her ever. Is modern Japan (like you said)where no one wants to confront others. Japanese people prefer to endure things in silence than confront others. You should know this already. I don't know how can you say that it's public abuse when it's clear no one knows. Only other students know and they will NOT interfere at all. Don't worry, people will complain about this show just because of how dark it is tbh. Nevermind the good animation and the fact that the plot seems interesting so far. If a show is dark, people will automatically flock to calling it 'edgy' and thus refer to it as bad. |
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