| Japan has no future |
| It is so dense. Every single image has so many things going on. |
Rakaxo said: Sure most of todays anime is not as good as it used to be, but i won't say that the industry is dying. Moe, Ecchi and Harem for better or worse do sell. Khaosman said: zetsubousei_hero said: People said the same with Console LOL! Wrong platform, mate. It's the PC that people said was dying since 2006. But it didn't. anime is unlikely to die out anytime soon. Klad said: It is definitely lacking in originality yes, but saying it's dying it's a little of exaggeration. PrOxAnto said: I'm saying it's not dying. See what I did? Moodie said: >anime is dying >2013 was the highest anime sales ok old man iNoto-san said: Anime won't die. lolatusenpai said: "___" is dying Replace "___" with anything else of your choice. He didn't say anime is dying. That's just our OP title. This will be Anno's anime was a mistake . Same circumstances. NudeBear said: Isn't the OP post more about the financial constraints in the industry rather a criticism on the quality of modern anime? So why are people responding as if he's critiquing modern anime? I don't really get the hate towards Anno's statement, what he's saying sounds like a legit concern to me. I would say we can't completely separate the two, quality and financial situation. He talks about human resources too. But no one reads OPs, let alone attempt to understand what we're talking about or discuss a quote. We just react to thread titles like a knee reflex of a Pavlovian dog. |
| The only thing i see wrong with human resources is the abysmal pay animators are given with their long grueling hours. This is probably driving them away from the industry. There is probably PLENTY of talent out there. If conditions improve, I'm sure it will be just fine. Or hell they can start outsourcing if they aren't already. Again Anno seems to be completely vague with his doomsday predictions. |
| Anyway, for a more serious response, as much as I want to believe anime is not dead, I think there is a lot of truth in this. There is of course a lot of good anime still being made, heck, the anime I consider the best finished airing last year, and another one of my favourites too (gundam unicorn). There is ping pong, mushishi and other stuff people consider to be great. The thing is, all this good stuff drowns in sea of shit, all these generic light novel adaptations, garbage like Sao, danmachi and the like just make me sick, and I am not surprised if the industry finally hits the rock bottom if things stay like this. I might not really have the right to say it as I'm fairly new to anime myself, but when I look at the charts and news of new anime nothing catches my attention, while looking at earlier years there is tons of stuff I want to see. |
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Lancehot said: PC didn't die, but it did go into relative decline in that awkward period between physical sales pretty much dying & digital outlets like Steam filling the void. Manga and Manga magazines are in this stage right now and more and more publishers are going all digital, even Dengeki has magazines going digital. |
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| Im new as well. I have a plan to watch list that will take me my whole lifetime if i go at the rate im going. lel |
wouten said: I do agree that anime as a whole has passed it's peak, but I'm not so sure he's right about his predictions. Although there might be a decrease in yearly releases eventually, sure, I doubt we'll see anime dying in other aspects than just originality. But I do believe the number of sales will continue to decrease, if not just yet, then at least in a couple more years, as piracy and digital accessibility becomes easier and bigger. However, how much of a difference it will have on the industry in a few years, only time will tell. (Unless ignorant me is just missing something) how are sales numbers decreasing when 2013 was one of the highest ever recorded |
| I'm not expecting masterpiece series every season. As long as I can find a few fun series to watch each season, I'll be ok. |
Agafin said: I remember a user's signatute which read: "Anime is dying thanks to its pathetic fanbase in Japan." Someone summon that user here. Anime is catered for the Japanese, I don't see why we foreigners should be complaining |
 All credit goes to Sacred. |
| Miyazaki was right |
Feaor said: SetsukoHara said: They're both pretty shit but I think the Oscars is marginally less pretentious.International wankfest>American wankfest. What the hell is this discussion guys? How can prizes be pretentious? |
Zergneedsfood said: jal90 said: I think he means less the awards and more the committee that runs/votes on the Oscars.What the hell is this discussion guys? How can prizes be pretentious? But the committee that runs/votes on the Oscars actively believes and transmits the idea that their prizes are some serious shit that can dictate the success and standards of quality of a film, so I don't know what makes them less pretentious than Cannes. |
FireEmblemIke24 said: Agafin said: I remember a user's signatute which read: "Anime is dying thanks to its pathetic fanbase in Japan." Someone summon that user here. Anime is catered for the Japanese, I don't see why we foreigners should be complaining Hey there, I didn't say I agree with, just that his opinion can spice up this thread a bit. Your statement isn't entirely true eitherway since there's stuff like DB Kai, Space Dandy or SS: Legend of the sanctuary which are primarily made for western consumers. I think that if Anime stopped being stacked in moe echii harem and started catering to a wider audience (like they did in the past) then the industry would be much healthier so what you mentioned is actually one of the problems with the industry. I read an article which stated that 2.2% of anime fans (the otaku) buy 80% of all the Blu rays produced. That's just the signs of a terrible industry. I remember that the first volume of Nana was heavily discounted (shipped at～$7) and sold 60k copies while all the other volumes with normal prices sold like 10-15 times less. Just goes to show you how the stupidly high and inflexible prices prevent people from supportong the industry except the rich and dedicted otaku. |
AgafinMay 25, 2015 3:08 PM
Nicoreos said: Gholy said: It's kinda sad how a lot of these types of discussions usually end in something like "hurr shit taste", sometimes followed with a Strike the Blood gif or Miyazaki quote. I rest my case. Thanks for understanding exactly why I hate the anime community. I actually like Miyazaki, but do I agree with him that anime was a mistake? No. I'm not a tryhard hipster. Miyazaki never said that anime was a mistake, the community just took his words a step further. I agree with what he says but he said in a poor manner, too harsh. Here's how I like to put it, anime today isn't produced out of passion. They are filled with elements to target a certain population which generates the most revenue. Money is just one aspect of it though. Another related issue is what miyazaki refers to. There is too much of an anime culture (or just otaku culture) nowadays. The people creating animes might be otakus themselves and there is a vast population of otakus who actually generate the most money for the industry. It's a chain effect. Though Miyazaki hasn't mentioned this directly, I feel like he meant to say that anime and its culture is too well-defined. It's hard to explain but a simple way to say it is: anime used to be simply a medium for stories to be told. Nowadays, anime is a term with very specifc criteria, exclusive and not comparable to any other mediums on which stories can be told. |
ShiroiMufflerMay 25, 2015 3:16 PM
| Yea, sounds about right. |
| I guess Anno passed his peak, has lost his light and is now on his way to a decline. |
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| Old anime are fucking garbage, new anime are so much more original, like jojo, ping pong, and parasyte |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
BlueScarf said: I agree, anime died after the 90s. A female character's relevance would be noted for her bold independence, color personality, and dead-on realism with the harsh world. Now it's based on "waifu" traits and blue titty string. Stylistic anime like Uchouten Kazoku, Shinsekai Yori, and Ping Pong get the shit end of the stick while shows like Date A Live, Infinite Stratos, and that Hestia anime succeed by appealing to the lowest common denominator. Fuck capitalism. That's the whole problem ImO~ +1 |
| Wouldn't say it's "dying" per se, but I think quality has waned. I generally enjoy older anime more. |
| You know, while there are some people who say anime is dying, I have never actually heard anyone say things like "Manga is dying", "Visual Novels are dying" or even "Light Novels are dying". Why is that only anime fans are so pessimistic specifically? |
SuperRed said: Maybe because they are not dying? At least manga in particular has a lot of variety. You know, while there are some people who say anime is dying, I have never actually heard anyone say things like "Manga is dying", "Visual Novels are dying" or even "Light Novels are dying". Why is that only anime fans are so pessimistic specifically? But the best answer is that anime is the more popular and "exposed" medium. |
SuperRed said: cause VNs are already dead and LNs never lived in the first placeYou know, while there are some people who say anime is dying, I have never actually heard anyone say things like "Manga is dying", "Visual Novels are dying" or even "Light Novels are dying". Why is that only anime fans are so pessimistic specifically? |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
SuperRed said: You know, while there are some people who say anime is dying, I have never actually heard anyone say things like "Manga is dying", "Visual Novels are dying" or even "Light Novels are dying". Why is that only anime fans are so pessimistic specifically? because its anime site fyi |
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| Anime isn't dying, He is dying! |
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KawaiiWeeabz said: BlueScarf said: I agree, anime died after the 90s. A female character's relevance would be noted for her bold independence, color personality, and dead-on realism with the harsh world. Now it's based on "waifu" traits and blue titty string. Stylistic anime like Uchouten Kazoku, Shinsekai Yori, and Ping Pong get the shit end of the stick while shows like Date A Live, Infinite Stratos, and that Hestia anime succeed by appealing to the lowest common denominator. Fuck capitalism. That's the whole problem ImO~ +1 You can't always get what you want sadly. Though I don't praise shinseki yori or ping pong as some great series that can save anime, but I would take those series than date a live and infinite stratos any day. The way I see it even if Moe and ecchi series were to be nerf from the anime industry, people would just move on to something else to hate about. Probably gore series or edgy series as a lot people say these days. The only way everyone could be happy is if they balance out every season to have various type of genere so it can fit the criteria for everyone. But the real question is, would the anime industry do much better than what it is today? Snk has shown that Japan does care about other type of anime than Moe/ecchi series. So its possible the industry could strive without echhi/Moe series. |
keragammingMay 25, 2015 5:44 PM
| Thread Cleaned First of all, I don't even want to know why you guys started talking about fruit and comparing it to everything and then using it as insults, but that's now gone. Secondly, please don't make this thread a X Vs Y thread and comparing it to every anime and then turning it into a flame war over which series is better. May or may not still be cleaning to see if I missed anything~ |
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| Needs new core genre IPs, less melting pot adaptions aimed at gamers and nerds. |
| I think Anno is a retard. And I think people agreeing with him are also deluded. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
| I don't think anime is dying. Rather, the medium itself has it's highs and lows which can be measured on a seasonal basis. People will pick out the "best of the best" when it comes to old anime without looking at the vast majority of the other crap made in the same time period and compare it to all the newer anime, instead of their own greatest shows. Criteria like that leads to distorted views on old vs new shows. |
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| I wonder which old grump will make an ass of themselves next. |
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ReaperCreeper said: A lot of them do that daily.I wonder which old grump will make an ass of themselves next. |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Immahnoob said: I was thinking in relation to anime specifically.ReaperCreeper said: A lot of them do that daily.I wonder which old grump will make an ass of themselves next. |
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SolBlade said: I don't think anime is dying. Rather, the medium itself has it's highs and lows which can be measured on a seasonal basis. People will pick out the "best of the best" when it comes to old anime without looking at the vast majority of the other crap made in the same time period and compare it to all the newer anime, instead of their own greatest shows. Criteria like that leads to distorted views on old vs new shows. The old anime watchers will sadly never admit that though. |
keragamming said: Why generalize?SolBlade said: I don't think anime is dying. Rather, the medium itself has it's highs and lows which can be measured on a seasonal basis. People will pick out the "best of the best" when it comes to old anime without looking at the vast majority of the other crap made in the same time period and compare it to all the newer anime, instead of their own greatest shows. Criteria like that leads to distorted views on old vs new shows. The old anime watchers will sadly never admit that though. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
Gholy said: KamSung said: The EVA Rebuilds are a good indicator of that.I guess Anno passes his peak, has lost hist light and is now on his way to a decline. not really |
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Imaishi said: Gholy said: The EVA Rebuilds are a good indicator of that. not really The rebuilds are shit. |
PoeticJustice said: Imaishi said: not really The rebuilds are shit. not really |
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| Rebuild 4.0 Hype I say 3.0 was the shit, precisely because of all the people who say it's just shit. Because Anno's a troll. |
Gholy said: Imaishi said: 1 and 2 were OK at best, and 3 was ass.not really 3 was crap I agree although I still enjoyed the watch 1 is very good, the second is even great and the improvements far ouweigh the stuff that's worse. and honestly, I watched rebuilds pretty soon after the original series and I can't comprehend all the shit that the 1.11 and 2.22 get. the differences aren't that big, especially in the first movie, and there is tons of improvement as well but that was not my point anyway making stuff that people like (and obviously majority likes rebuilds, even people who disliked the series) is more important for a director (and a better indicator whether he has 'passed his peak' or not) than opinions of diehard fans who will pick on any change and make a huge deal out of it |
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Nicoreos said: Not really, I won't deny that anime from back then had its fair share of shit, just like now.Cabron said: Why generalize? He's right though |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
Tyrel said: Thread Cleaned First of all, I don't even want to know why you guys started talking about fruit and comparing it to everything and then using it as insults, but that's now gone. Secondly, please don't make this thread a X Vs Y thread and comparing it to every anime and then turning it into a flame war over which series is better. May or may not still be cleaning to see if I missed anything~ Do you take pleasure in deleting my comments? |
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| third EVA rebuild was the best |
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