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deg said: Nope he said before restoring the timeline that Vivy and Matsumoto were not to go save him again so he is most probably dead.MadanielFL said: Lol i understand that they went back in time to save her, but when they went back in time they were unable to save doctor Matsumoto again. you mean that gun shots scene on Doctor Matsumoto? then that part is confusing then to me since i interpret that gun shots on him as still part of the previous timeline |
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| This time around it's Vivy who's going back not cube Matsumoto? 10/5 for me hands down. |
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| Damn, RIP to all of you, especially to the guy who got smashed lol Once again a fire episode. I just hope the finale can offer enough closer without ending up rushed. A satisfying conclusion and the mission "Vivy Greatness" is accomplished. |
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| Excellent episode. I can't wait for the finale. |
SerafosMar 5, 2024 5:49 AM
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| The plan for A.I.s to wipe out humanity, and Vivy being the only one who can stop this plan, the entire timeline explored and revealed. It's The Archive's mission to destroy humanity, yet the disruption of Vivy (and Matsumoto's) Singularity Project had helped paved the way for revisions (that unfortunately couldn't stop the A.I. destruction), even at failure. So it is, that the A.I.s had offered Vivy another chance to save humanity by going back in present time to commit to her mission to sing the song she created 15 years ago (towards the end of the 100-year timeline) with all her heart to save the ONE future they could salvage, all for evolution. So that small girl Luna who looked after Vivy in Epsiode 1 was Osamu's daughter, who was KIA in the brutal retaliation against man and machine. Since this episode is a "Refrain", it meant that by hook or by crook, Vivy must stop the Archive's Arashiki Tower server's berserking to do her mission, which unforunately ended in failure, and concluded the war towards the win of A.I.s with the destruction of the Earth. Another chance with Osamu to do the exact mission he did in Episode 1 and add the events of last episode, to REDO everything from scratch, now that they know what's gonna happen, it's up to fate to finally commit and go all-out to save humanity. More than pumping out great episodes, every episode feels DAMN SHORT. I need that ending ASAP next week! |
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| osamu never got to hear her sing </33 next week with the final ep !! hope they end this well, the show deserves it |
| YOOOOOOOO that ending has some major Steins;Gate vibe. This I like XD (as you can probably already tell) The author of VIVY is a total sadist, using what Vivy created against her. |
ElPsyKongroo69 said: Nah, anything can be compared.0451 said: YOOOOOOOO that ending has some major Steins;Gate vibe. This I like XD (as you can probably already tell) The author of VIVY is a total sadist, using what Vivy created against her. Doing a great disservice to Steins;Gate by even comparing it to this tbh |
| Uhhhh, am i the only one who finds the writing in this show to be... subpar? Like i still find it enjoyable, but its really just because of the visuals/music, and if it did have meh productions values, i dont think i would like it all that much. For example, lets be honest, the AI, out of nowhere, saying that vivy needs to sing to stop the robots is just incredibly convenient and doesnt make much sense whatsoever. The fact that the doctor survived a shit ton of satellites is also really weird and convenient. The bad AI says they made sure the timeline would be the same because they were watching vivy and making changes, but they dont even say what those changes were. Like there are so many problems like this, that make me like the show a lot less, again its still a show i enjoy, but i wanted more. |
ElPsyKongroo69 said: I highly disagree, but you do you.0451 said: Yeah anything can be compared but it's still a disservice to Steins;Gate lolNah, anything can be compared. |
| I am not one to normally give a 9 out before the final episode but I am pretty sure my score is sealed, the series does not even have to stick the landing at this point. This was great, its everything I wanted out of the anime from its premise, I just wish the final antagonist had better reasons or explanations on why they wiped people out. |
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| Glad to hear that. |
| he can bring matsumoto to 100 years back but can only bring vivy few hours back? i wonder why, can't wait for the final episode next week. |
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| damn, granted he was about to get shot anyway, Osamu really has bad timing when it comes to sending data back in time to fix shit up lol |
| I’m glad there’s only one more episode as I really haven’t liked these last 2 episodes. I’d hate to have to lower my overall enjoyment score. |
| So, is there any reason they can't send Matsumoto back in time again? Now that he knows the reason the whole AI uprising occurs and has a better grasp of the events involved, surely making him restart from zero would have a much greater chance of success than sending Vivy back a few hours. Maybe I missed an explanation as to why that can't happen, I don't know. As it is, though, it seems like they only did it this way in order to kill Osamu off, ensuring there wouldn't be any further attempts at carrying out the Singularity Project in order to raise the stakes. |
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| ''Humanity is in your hands, Vivy''. Seems like she got another chance to save them all. Turns out the Archive planned everything since the beginning. Thought about a lot of futures that could happen later. And every future was the same. Humanity was doomed to fail. The reason why the AI's are singing Vivy's song is because they see her as ''the new humanity''' or well close to that. They wanted to show that they're as good as humans, and that's why they sang that song. The Archive gave Vivy a future, one future.. to stop the AI's and save humanity by singing her song. But she wasn't able to do that. ''Heart'', seems like she still doesn't know the meaning of it. After 100 years, not a single thing definition.. One more time Vivy.. |
   “You yourself have to change first, or nothing will change for you!” ' |
ElPsyKongroo69 said: So the Archive wants to further human evolution and so what does it do? That's right destroy humanity ,because that makes a lot of sense doesn't it ? Also it gives Vivy a chance to prove that humanity can do some things that AI can't. How does it want her to prove this? By having her, an AI, sing a song that she made herself. All this does is prove that AI can do exactly what humans can lol. How convenient that now they can only travel to the exact point that the AI went berserk. Why? No reason given, they just wanted to raise the stakes. Oh yeah i agree. my main problems with this show is that there were a lot of plot conveniences here and there like when Vivy went to the exact spot where the Toak guy was about to drown. Or Vivy could just leave the park whenever she felt like it. I only forgave it a bit because this is an one-cour series they don't have time to cover it all. ElPsyKongroo69 said: No if u think it was simply because human's bad like what every AI apocalypse fiction told us then you clearly didn't pay attention. It was totally different. I even found it weird. Watch it again i won't tell you.I was hoping that at the very least they would have an original reason for the Archive going rogue. But no we're treated to the same thing that happens in every AI apocalypse fiction ie Humans bad therefore must destroy them. |
newluminousJun 12, 2021 11:48 AM
| To be honest at this point I just wanna hear her song,it’s not that the anime is bad but if you choose AI and humanity based story it always revolves around bots not having heart(soul) and trying to destroy humanity and them always failing to do so,I enjoyed the journey much more cause I always knew what the goal will look like |
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| Again: Archive thanking Vivy for making the song. The episode was cool and everything, but I seriously feel the writers pulled some bullshit over Osamu story. I mean, let the guy be happy and have someone to continue his linage. That's my criticism, the rest was great. |
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| Personally I would send both: Matsumoto-junior to the distant past and Vivy several hours ago. And for those who are concerned that all the bridges to the past are burned - well the technology still exist, some AI like Matsumoto-junior (or backup copy of him) can figure out how to use it, repair it and still be able to create yet another divergence in the past with happier times for the humanity. ElPsyKongroo69 said: Didnt Archive say that it followed Vivy's journey? So I guess it keeps track of all AI that need to connect to the Archive. Matsumoto is also one of these. So no matter what changes he tries to make Archive can simply counter those like it said it did. The AI sent to the past will know to evade The Archive (at leat no to connect with it) and take account of its actions. |
alshuJun 12, 2021 12:02 PM
| I’m completely blown away by this anime every episode. Such emotional scenes, great animation and the plot is just overall great in every way. Hope Vivy can carry out the singularity project to get the best outcome this time! |
| AISHITERU...REM! |
| Ooof. Lot of meaning within this episode, and I do feel sorry for Vivy, and you can read it on her face clear as day. Despite being an AI herself, the growth, and things she as learned and experience. To fail here for a moment, to hear her song being used in that way. It truly is rough. Can't wait for next week. |
| Watching this show week after week has been quite the journey, I just hope they can stick the landing. I'm sad that it's ending next week but I also can't wait for the final episode. |
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| The ending will be a make or break for me. All depends on that conclusion. But for the most part, the show has been a treat to watch weekly, which feels refreshing to say for an original since I haven't remembered enjoying an original show weekly since A Place Further than the Universe in early 2018 unless my memory is failing me for others. |
ElPsyKongroo69 said: Do they need to connect to have their movements recorded tho? Nope but they would be way harder to track and deleted/moved to the quarantine folder and analysed. |
| Okay, so the way this show has kept us on a roller coaster ride, I wish they conclude it in a good way. The last singularity point mission was a mess tbh and I wish they do not leave any plot holes. The show has been great with all the last minute cliffhangers it gives. But still they make certain things complex which should rather have been simple. This episode is neither an exception. I do not know what's wrong with ARCHIVE like evolving the human race by replacing the human race with AI race.  Well, anyways let's hope for a good ending!! |
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ElPsyKongroo69 said: [As long as the Archive knows what he's up to But The Archive from past didn't know Matsumoto-junior in advance, it stumbled upon him while tracking Diva...and Diva is pretty important for The Archive since she is the first AI tasked developing human feelings (even figure out absurd humnan stuff like what is to "sing from your heart") thus she was putted on observation from her creation. Matsumoto-junior now knows the culprit and if sent to the past can evade The Archive...and maybe attack it and destroy it. |
ElPsyKongroo69 said: Doubt he can do that solo though. How about severing the connection between Diva and The Archive (also staging the destruction of Diva) than recruiting her? Or her sisters? Or some other AI robot? |
| masterpiece. Glad it beat out 86 for 2nd place highest rating. |
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| The animation was beautiful once again. The story was alright so far and I doubt the ending will change it drastically. Her mission is to "make everyone happy with her singing" and she'll doing that in the last episode. |
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| The Archive said to Vivy : "Every time you revised history, we re-revised and implemented those changes so that it (history apparently) would not stray too far from the original timeline". This raised an obvious question : how on Earth did the Archive know the events of the original timeline or even about the existence of an original (vs the current secondary) timeline at all? It would be impossible for the Archive to know these events because the Archive never time traveled. Neither did Vivy. Only Matsumoto the AI did. However, even if Matsumoto never shared data with the Archive (we saw him access it with Vivy in it but it's unknown if he shared his data with it - I would guess "absolutely not" for security reasons, since his data about the future could ... complicate things to put it mildly) he did share them with Vivy. And the Archive had apparently open access to all of Vivy's (and every other robot's/AIs) data for the last 100+ years.. Vivy was -unwittingly- a constant security leak. So that's how the Archive found out and knew what to do to re-revise history.. The core of the Achive, the Arayashiki server, is a reference to the 8th and most fundamental "store-house consciousness" of the Yogācāra school of Mahayana Buddhism. Per the Wikipedia, Arayashiki / Ālayavijñāna is the "All-encompassing foundation consciousness", it forms the "base-consciousness" (mūlavijñāna) or "causal consciousness", and is the basis of the other seven consciousnesses of this school of Buddhism. It is the storehouse-consciousness which induces rebirth, causing the origination of a new existence. Based on the above I think it's obvious why the writers chose to name the server Arayashiki. Unfortunately the massive reentry of the satellites sequence was utterly ridiculous, to put it mildly : 1. Satellites cannot fall back into Earth in straight lines as was shown, they "fall" around the Earth. 2. They also cannot fall so fast after just a simple command (the speed they gained was similar to how fast the last stage of ICBMs would reenter the atmosphere..). 3. After receiving that command all of them would have remained at the exact same orbit and would start losing altitude very slowly; that's because satellites do not, er, have rockets (what would they do with them?); they have tiny orbital adjusters. 4. Furthermore, due to their small to moderate size most of their mass should have been incinerated by the atmospheric reentry. I would excuse a single blunder and attribute it to creative license but this is four blunders -that I counted- in just one small sequence. Come on guys, satellites are not ICBMs bearing nuclear warheads... Really? Last but not least, I was wrong about Vivy's song. I was quite sure in my comments on the previous episodes but as we found out it was not the song that made the AIs go mad. On the contrary, it is the song that (hopefully) will save humanity by deactivating the homicidal AIs. That was quite a surprise.. What I did not get at the end of this episode is why the Archive would choose a "solution" (that wouldn't work as I explained above but anyway) that would kill the humans, the AIs and the Arayashiki server of the Archive, thus putting an end to the Archive's plans whether Vivy sang the song or not. It was clear that a satellite was heading directly for the server at the end, which would destroy everything there. This idiotic plan looked more like a mass murder - suicide instead of a mass murder. So how was the Archive planning to replace the humans with AIs if it no longer existed to command and coordinate the surviving AIs? Did they even calculate what the survivors were going to do after killing the "current" human race in order to evolve? Apparently not.. KIERO360 said: Stop over analysing every little detail... lol. Yeah, I think I overdid it this time.. That was a review not a comment lol :p |
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