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Dec 19, 2017 10:18 AM
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Reading this thread, I see that nobody actually understands Nezumi, huh. He spends the whole episode explaning the reason why he wouldn't want this and that and yet people are still expecting he would wish to be a god or end the whole Taisen? Rat doesn't care about it, he's not a goody two shoes or someone pretending to save the world, he's just a kid who wants to live his life in his own devices. Anything that would require effort is a no no because he practically doesn't have motivation. Pretty relatable, tbh.

One of the best ep for me and I love Nezumi a lot more now. Love the scenes with the other warriors, especially Rabbit's and the twins'. I'm glad to see Dragon showing concern when Snake was killed by Ox and Rabbit being someone who can trust Nezumi's words. Usagi is better off with a living friend, him talking normally is really nice to see/hear.
Dec 19, 2017 10:19 AM
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Loyalty06 said:
Reading this thread, I see that nobody actually understands Nezumi, huh. He spends the whole episode explaning the reason why he wouldn't want this and that and yet people are still expecting he would wish to be a god or end the whole Taisen? Rat doesn't care about it, he's not a goody two shoes or someone pretending to save the world, he's just a kid who wants to live his life in his own devices. Anything that would require effort is a no no because he practically doesn't have motivation. Pretty relatable, tbh.

One of the best ep for me and I love Nezumi a lot more now. Love the scenes with the other warriors, especially Rabbit's and the twins'. I'm glad to see Dragon showing concern when Snake was killed by Ox and Rabbit being someone who can trust Nezumi's words. Usagi is better off with a living friend, him talking normally is really nice to see/hear.

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Dec 19, 2017 10:24 AM
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Daniel_Naumov said:
Loyalty06 said:
Reading this thread, I see that nobody actually understands Nezumi, huh. He spends the whole episode explaning the reason why he wouldn't want this and that and yet people are still expecting he would wish to be a god or end the whole Taisen? Rat doesn't care about it, he's not a goody two shoes or someone pretending to save the world, he's just a kid who wants to live his life in his own devices. Anything that would require effort is a no no because he practically doesn't have motivation. Pretty relatable, tbh.

One of the best ep for me and I love Nezumi a lot more now. Love the scenes with the other warriors, especially Rabbit's and the twins'. I'm glad to see Dragon showing concern when Snake was killed by Ox and Rabbit being someone who can trust Nezumi's words. Usagi is better off with a living friend, him talking normally is really nice to see/hear.

"Nobody"
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Silly me, lol then, "almost nobody"
Dec 19, 2017 10:45 AM

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Nezumi wanting to forget makes perfect sense. He experienced death 99 times and can't forget it. That's way too heavy for a teenager to experiences, especially since he got to know all of the other juuni taisen people on a personal level. Then he experienced more death when he wanted to escape. Having the wish and trying to figure out which one to do, when you didn't have any drive to begin with is hard. Forgetting, which is something he can't do, is the one that makes perfect sense for him.

I liked it. And I liked the show overall. It was predictable, but once Dog died most figured out that Rat would win in the end. I do think the show billed itself a bit badly though, because they made it seem like it was a death game with tons of action, when it's really a character drama about the twelve people who have to fight in this tournament.

8/10 for me.
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Dec 19, 2017 10:47 AM
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The episode was underwhelming...

The show was mediocre.... Felt like the edgier version of fate and it was very predictable.....

The motives of all the characters weren't clear so it wasn't that engrossing.
Dec 19, 2017 10:48 AM

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Great episode, we saw a little bit of the other routes, the wishes of the other participants, knew more about Nezumi’s power and I understand why he wished that, but it was still underwhelming.
Dec 19, 2017 10:56 AM
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Felt like the edgier version of fate and it was very predictable.....


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Dec 19, 2017 11:02 AM

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That's actually a nice lesson for everyone.
maybe its nice to have a wish, or a couple of wish wanting to be granted..
But in the end, we just want to laze around and not give a damn about everything. =_= (>﹏<)


Dec 19, 2017 11:04 AM

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I liked the ending. It may not been the most spectacular, happy (for the viewers) or even satisfactory (again, for us) ending, but it was in Rat's character, and that is fine. He is a normal individual without ambitions, and the burden of having to experience dying 99 times is something above him. Tbh, it was the best thing he could have wished for, instead in some superfluous wish.

I loved how Rat's monologue started to analyze all the wishes he could wish for (including the thing of reviving the other participants of the Juuni Taisen), just to realize the most of them are worthless, impractical or just plain dumb, and wish the thing who would truly bring him his happiness.
Liked too how we saw brief glimpses of the other 99 routes where Rat teamed up with the other warriors (thing who had made me like Dog more, considering he ended being more sympathethic of what he looked at first), including the one when he hanged out with Rabbit. I cannot help but feel a bit of pity for Boar, since her wish probably indicates she feels very lonely.
And, lmao, the Tatsumi brothers were still rekted hard in their routes xD

I'm going to miss this show a lot. Even if the execution and fights could have been better, and is the weakest work of Nisio so far, it was one of the series I enjoyed and liked the most this Fall, and following this anime (and the daily dose of salt and complaints) week by week was great. I hope the studio animates the second novel one day, I really want to see how Nisio's mind designed the Western Zodiac.
Dec 19, 2017 11:10 AM

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While the ending was underwhelming to many people, it's kind of understandable seeing Nezumi's character... He's just a kid that doesn't know what to do with his life and is overwhelmed by the amount of power and responsabilities that he has all of a sudden.
A character that he kinda reminds me of in that aspect is THE anxty teen himself: the man, the meme, the legend, Shinji Ikari.

However, I feel like I kinda needed more time with him to understand the way that he thinks. And I think that's the main problem of this anime. While it does have some very strong characters, the 20 minutes that every episode has to dedicate to the character that they focus on feel too short to relate well to any of them and justify their actions a bit better. And that's a shame, knowing that NisioisiN is the guy who wrote this.

Also we got no backstory on Rabbit for some reason, but seeing his powers and how he seemed honest about his wish maybe he was just lonely, who knows. And while the 3d in the last battles was eeehh they did present some interesting situations, even when we knew how it was going to end, but then again, the point of this show is to turn every episode into a character study of it's protagonist, not to see what kind of OP superpower can beat what and win.

Now that that's out of the way, I have to say that most of Juuni Taisen's characters like Tora, Sharyu, the Snake-Dragon pair and now Nezumi were surprisingly three-dimensional, and one can easily find himself agreeing with their philosophies, but I expected a bit more from the writer of the Monogatari series.

Overall, an enjoyable show that sadly doesn't use it's assets to their fullest potential but is saved by it's intersting characters, unlike a certain other show I'll talk about next monday.

7/10
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Dec 19, 2017 11:12 AM
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Wait, did i just forget about it or did they never show rabbit's past? Did they just skip it in the anime or was it never mentioned in the novel either?

Also i didn't expect Nezumi's hair to be like that XD
Dec 19, 2017 11:21 AM

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ok the wish was so stupid..I get why he won....and That wish seemed so stupid to me...he could wish for so many things and he wished for his memory erased.
Dec 19, 2017 11:22 AM
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I wasn't really impressed with the show and I only kept watching so I'd finish it and put it away but now I'm actually glad that I did because the few minutes that showed the cons of every wish was really good. Most of them were pretty well thought out and few of them were downright hilarious.
Dec 19, 2017 11:30 AM
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Daniel_Naumov said:
thesarcasticguy said:


Felt like the edgier version of fate and it was very predictable.....


A prime example of losing any and all legitimacy behind ones' opinion with an absolute speed of one sentence.

That's pretty rich coming from a guy who doesn't share the details of what he watches on a website that is literally designed to do just that.
Dec 19, 2017 11:44 AM

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How utterly pointless of an ending, I guess its meant to be dramatic or a bold statement of the futility of having a wish granted, but thats just pathetically false.
Dec 19, 2017 11:52 AM

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Cool ending but was expecting something more mind-blowing. I liked the show but felt it had a lot more potential. My mine gripe was that I just didn't like that Usagi ended up killing and controlling half the characters. It would have been much more interesting if they would have offed him earlier. This format could easily be used to create second season with new characters. I'm sure I'd watch it.
Dec 19, 2017 11:55 AM

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Wait, did i just forget about it or did they never show rabbit's past? Did they just skip it in the anime or was it never mentioned in the novel either?

Also i didn't expect Nezumi's hair to be like that XD


Rabbit didn't have a backstory in the anime nor the novel - bit disappointing, but guess it's a way to show that Rabbit doesn't care about the past
Dec 19, 2017 11:58 AM

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pretty good episode, Nezumi whole monologue about his wish and all the flashbacks of his past and different juuni taisen routes are pretty interesting too.
the series start good and then flop hard mid way with anti climatic fights and boring backstory and then good again when Nezumi appeared last week

pretty good 7/10 overall

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Dec 19, 2017 12:03 PM

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I didn't think this show was bad but I've always had a thing for these battle royale type of shows and I liked seeing all the backstories. I wish the twins could have lived though, they were my faves.

6/10
Dec 19, 2017 12:05 PM
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This show started off so well but just lost steam as it progressed. And it ended on a whimper.
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Dec 19, 2017 12:10 PM
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It was an ok series, I guess? It kinda went 'Game of Thrones' in that no one was really safe, but they didn't really build some of these characters enough for me to care. This, coupled with the blah ending, left me disappointed. It was kiinda brainless fun, but ultimately it's forgettable.
Dec 19, 2017 12:15 PM

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Giving this a 4/10. This show was pretty bad.
Dec 19, 2017 12:20 PM

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I really had a great time watching this.
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Dec 19, 2017 12:25 PM

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It was an eeeh ok show, I liked it, but just that.
I'm the only one that thinks of a wish about "ending the Juuni Taisen for ever" could have been the best wish for the rat?
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Dec 19, 2017 12:31 PM

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Worst ending and Worst anime In 2017 for me. I fucking hate Nezumi stupid brat should have die. He should have bring back those Who are Force Into It or Those who are genuive good. He should have Bring back Ushii,Sharyuu,Tiger, Tora,Dokatsu and Chicken. But no!!!!! Waste his Wish for one Stupid wish.

Nezumi Worst anime characters In 2017. I wish this loser die first instead of the others.

Dec 19, 2017 12:31 PM
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Oh so the Vermin's wish is to forget what happen in the Juuni Taisen, man I'd wish we could have see that panty flash a little bit longer......

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Dec 19, 2017 12:40 PM

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his actual hair was so weird lol. But dam what happens to the Dog's adopted daughter ;-;
Dec 19, 2017 12:47 PM

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Good ending, I like how it incorporated Nezumi's story backstory and used his power to revisit all of the deceased characters.

It kind of made me want to see a special that would feature each of the 11 other characters' potential victories.
Dec 19, 2017 12:50 PM

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it was good to see all the participants again, we learned something new about each of them. lmao Boar wanted a harem.. also loved the moments with Rat dying on the battlefield, he's really lucky to have found that one route where he doesn't get killed because he would never have won with his skills.
the scene with the 99 wishes was nice, Rat's points were pretty accurate. in fact I relate to him, it's hard to choose one thing that would have no bad consequences, though the ending itself was pretty underwhelming. when he was sleeping peacefully it made me think that he was the protagonist all along but it didn't feel like that.

gonna miss this show :( it was predictable alright but somehow so enjoyable.
Dec 19, 2017 1:09 PM
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Rat's ability was a curse for him in the end, yet he managed to find the best wish for him to be happy.

I think, he can definitely make it big in the world if he actually tries something (he is very fucking smart) but if that's the way he wants to go and he is good with it, so be it.

7/10, entertaining show, nothing memorable though.
Dec 19, 2017 1:10 PM

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Probably one of the better episode of the show. His monologues were pretty interesting. Struggled thru an entire day and arrived at his answer.

Overall, there were plenty of problems I have for this series. The spoilers of the order of elimination in the OP and ED destroyed the gimmick of the show (no main character that the viewers follow -> unpredictable outcome in fights). The reasons for downfall of most heroes are repetitive (letting their guard down). The animation quality dropped immensely in latter half of the series. No backstory for Rabbit (the biggest threat of the series).

The only decent thing I could think of is the Tiger & Ox relationships.

Overall: 4/10
Dec 19, 2017 1:16 PM

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Pretty interesting episode,seeing Rat struggle to came up with a wish and portraying it in that manner was not really what I was expecting as a final when I picked up this show,but it fulfilled it's purpose,even tho his wish was indeed a disappointment.

Nice show overall, fresh concept,execution was lacking,tho.

6/10

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Dec 19, 2017 1:36 PM

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Pfft I skipped to the end, what is this worthless character =/
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Dec 19, 2017 1:45 PM

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I expected this type of ending, and i enjoyed it nonetheless.

7/10
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Dec 19, 2017 1:47 PM

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I never really understood why anyone would wish to forget, it's like annihilating yourself.
Dec 19, 2017 1:48 PM

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Best episode, but still an underwhelming ending.

I think Juuni Taisen's strongest points are the way it portrays its characters and their backstories, as well as the philosophical ideas that it touches upon. But ultimately it leaves you feeling empty and wondering "what the heck was point of all that?". There's just not enough in here to make this a worthwhile watch imo. It's a 6 or a 7 for me.
Dec 19, 2017 1:49 PM
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I think the point of his wish was to be underwhelming; he was doing it for himself and not for anyone else.

p.s R.I.P Dotsuku (Whats gonna happen to his daughter??)
Dec 19, 2017 1:58 PM

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I liked the ending. It may not been the most spectacular, happy (for the viewers) or even satisfactory (again, for us) ending, but it was in Rat's character, and that is fine. He is a normal individual without ambitions, and the burden of having to experience dying 99 times is something above him. Tbh, it was the best thing he could have wished for, instead in some superfluous wish.

I loved how Rat's monologue started to analyze all the wishes he could wish for (including the thing of reviving the other participants of the Juuni Taisen), just to realize the most of them are worthless, impractical or just plain dumb, and wish the thing who would truly bring him his happiness.
Liked too how we saw brief glimpses of the other 99 routes where Rat teamed up with the other warriors (thing who had made me like Dog more, considering he ended being more sympathethic of what he looked at first), including the one when he hanged out with Rabbit. I cannot help but feel a bit of pity for Boar, since her wish probably indicates she feels very lonely.
And, lmao, the Tatsumi brothers were still rekted hard in their routes xD

I'm going to miss this show a lot. Even if the execution and fights could have been better, and is the weakest work of Nisio so far, it was one of the series I enjoyed and liked the most this Fall, and following this anime (and the daily dose of salt and complaints) week by week was great. I hope the studio animates the second novel one day, I really want to see how Nisio's mind designed the Western Zodiac.
my amigo illy solid synopsis i agree as well but also a few points man so if the 2nd novel gets announced i wonder if a new studio would handle it, so did nisio like watch over this project and oversee everything say such as for example a george rr martin would with early seasons of GOT? or did they just sign a contract with him and went about adapting it how they see fit? when another adaptation comes from nisio best believe ill be watching , this hasn't become one of my fav works from nisio (potentially could have) but alas theres always the future to look ahead to
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Dec 19, 2017 2:03 PM

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It nice that we got glimpses of the other routes. I feel bad for Rat for having to experience death 99 times and his wish to forget about the Juuni Taisen makes sense. I never cared about Dog but this episode made me like him.

Overall, it was an enjoyable show. 7/10.

Dec 19, 2017 2:04 PM

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Am I the only one who wasn't a big fan of Rat? Pretty much a useless Overpowered character from the start till the end.

His wish was to forget ... okay so what was the point of this show? what was the point of the character development? if in the end the winner wishes to forget about every single thing that happened? makes a lot of sense

Mediocre show 5/10, Would not recommend it to anyone because it was a waste of time.

Decided to give it a 5 due to the fact that some characters like Monkey, Tiger, Ox were interesting, would have loved to see more of Tiger and Ox.
Dec 19, 2017 2:15 PM

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His wish was underwhelming....Like really underwhelming but at least the kid is happy it seems, so more power to him

However, I liked that we got to fully get glimpses into all the paths that he's experienced, as well as getting the chance to see what everyone else's wishes were as well as learning all 100 of the wishes that Nezumi himself would have wanted (It was pretty cool to see him analyze it all and talk about the pros and cons of them all)

I died when I saw that Boar's wish was pretty much to get the D (I mean, I don't need some magical force to make me do that huehuehuehue) but I think Dog's wish was my favorite because I didn't expect that at all and it was sweet

Overall, to me this was a pretty enjoyable series despite it's flaws and I wouldn't mind seeing the sequel to this getting animated either

7/10


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Dec 19, 2017 2:36 PM
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Started really fun but with times it became pretty underwhelming.

Not sure if i should give it a 5 or a 6.
Dec 19, 2017 2:45 PM

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lel to think i wasted 5-6 hours of my life on this trash

oh well

(it did have some cool characters though, both personality and design wise so it's not a 100% regret)
Dec 19, 2017 2:53 PM

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Meh finale. The show had a decent start, but it went downhill for me as it went on, unfortunately. Oh well.

6/10.


Dec 19, 2017 2:55 PM
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Pretty good finale for this show. It gave some nice focus on Rat. He couldn't figure out what he will wish for and was having a hard time. He eventually had one at the end. It was interesting to watch him ask the other candidates what their wish is. This was a decent show overall. It was nothing too amazing.
yea this show didnt live up to the hype
Dec 19, 2017 2:55 PM

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Illyricus said:
I liked the ending. It may not been the most spectacular, happy (for the viewers) or even satisfactory (again, for us) ending, but it was in Rat's character, and that is fine. He is a normal individual without ambitions, and the burden of having to experience dying 99 times is something above him. Tbh, it was the best thing he could have wished for, instead in some superfluous wish.

I loved how Rat's monologue started to analyze all the wishes he could wish for (including the thing of reviving the other participants of the Juuni Taisen), just to realize the most of them are worthless, impractical or just plain dumb, and wish the thing who would truly bring him his happiness.
Liked too how we saw brief glimpses of the other 99 routes where Rat teamed up with the other warriors (thing who had made me like Dog more, considering he ended being more sympathethic of what he looked at first), including the one when he hanged out with Rabbit. I cannot help but feel a bit of pity for Boar, since her wish probably indicates she feels very lonely.
And, lmao, the Tatsumi brothers were still rekted hard in their routes xD

I'm going to miss this show a lot. Even if the execution and fights could have been better, and is the weakest work of Nisio so far, it was one of the series I enjoyed and liked the most this Fall, and following this anime (and the daily dose of salt and complaints) week by week was great. I hope the studio animates the second novel one day, I really want to see how Nisio's mind designed the Western Zodiac.
my amigo illy solid synopsis i agree as well but also a few points man so if the 2nd novel gets announced i wonder if a new studio would handle it, so did nisio like watch over this project and oversee everything say such as for example a george rr martin would with early seasons of GOT? or did they just sign a contract with him and went about adapting it how they see fit? when another adaptation comes from nisio best believe ill be watching , this hasn't become one of my fav works from nisio (potentially could have) but alas theres always the future to look ahead to
I heard Nisio supervised Monogatari's anime adaptation (not sure if that is true or not, but I heard he and Shinbo worked together for the project), but I don't have any information if he has done the same with Juuni Taisen (or with any of his other works that have been adapted to animation, for that matter).
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it was good to see all the participants again, we learned something new about each of them. lmao Boar wanted a harem.. also loved the moments with Rat dying on the battlefield, he's really lucky to have found that one route where he doesn't get killed because he would never have won with his skills.
the scene with the 99 wishes was nice, Rat's points were pretty accurate. in fact I relate to him, it's hard to choose one thing that would have no bad consequences, though the ending itself was pretty underwhelming. when he was sleeping peacefully it made me think that he was the protagonist all along but it didn't feel like that.

gonna miss this show :( it was predictable alright but somehow so enjoyable.
She needs 12 D's or more to be satisfied lol
Dec 19, 2017 2:57 PM
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It was an eeeh ok show, I liked it, but just that.
I'm the only one that thinks of a wish about "ending the Juuni Taisen for ever" could have been the best wish for the rat?
even if this war that rat participated in would stop the org controling the whole war would just start another war and call it something else lol they will find a way around a wish like that
Dec 19, 2017 2:58 PM
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Giving this a 4/10. This show was pretty bad.
I dont think its bad the characters are really interesting and the fights are decent
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9/10 ending. Went from a 6/10 to 7/10 for me.

Anyone knows what would Ox/Ushii wish for?
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