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ThatCynicalOtaku said: It makes sense in the way that you'd be asking for something to cater more to your preference despite it not being your fetish yes Wow. Everything you said was completely on point. Okay, so talking about "quality" through comparing fetishes is hypocritical, because the entire reason why porn sells, is because of mindless self-indulgence. Fine. Then if I'm going to watch an anime that's aimed at panty lovers, so it'll consist primarily of panty shots, then I want those panty shots, to be GOOD. Interesting angles, enticing panty designs, shot in slow motion... Does that all make sense? |
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CatSoul said: We need buttholes. They don't have to blur buttholes. I want to see more buttholes. @AntwanMantilla You've found someone who shares your ideals, I think |
SomeEdgeLord said: I WILL report you from this forum if this continues. In real life, I am one of the coldest, unsympathetic, people you'll ever know, who's grown up in an even colder household, you really don't want me to break my persona, I know how to make people feel bad. YearnsforAttention said: hm who has 1656 friends on MAL that's right me bye bye YearnsforAttention said: I don't want your approval how many damn times do I need to say it I enjoy irritating you I am gonna do things MY way |
nymi said: Hmmm, what makes you think it's bait?I cant believe people still takes this bait nowadays. |
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ThatCynicalOtaku said: Im just saying it would have to meet certain guidelines to impress you when its not your thing so it makes sense in that regard @Deknijff "It makes sense in the way that you'd be asking for something to cater more to your preference despite it not being your fetish yes" What are you saying? |
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ThatCynicalOtaku said: About fetishes. Forget tastes. Execution, is what I want. I watched Hajimete no Gal, none of the panty shots were remotely interesting to look at: they were generic, and felt copy and pasted. I really tend to not like giving recs and don't usually do it, but maybe you'd like MM! I guess since you don't seem to have seen it looking at our affinity stuffs https://myanimelist.net/anime/8424/MM? Has masochism as something at least, given you seem to be really into that For panty shots? If you're using gal as an example of what you want I can't do shit for you because I haven't seen that one like are you talking about not wanting stuff like this?  if so, are you looking for the sort of thing i tried to illustrate for you where it gives more attention to it or do you mean something else? |
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Manaban said: ThatCynicalOtaku said: About fetishes. Forget tastes. Execution, is what I want. I watched Hajimete no Gal, none of the panty shots were remotely interesting to look at: they were generic, and felt copy and pasted. I really tend to not like giving recs and don't usually do it, but maybe you'd like MM! I guess since you don't seem to have seen it looking at our affinity stuffs https://myanimelist.net/anime/8424/MM? Has masochism as something at least, given you seem to be really into that For panty shots? If you're using gal as an example of what you want I can't do shit for you because I haven't seen that one like are you talking about not wanting stuff like this? if so, are you looking for the sort of thing i tried to illustrate for you where it gives more attention to it or do you mean something else? Exactly. THAT sort of thing, is one of my problem, with panty shots. First off, how many people consider white panties to actually be enticing? Second, the angle of the shot is too high, to really show the panties to begin with. I should've mentioned this sort of thing in my original post: There should be higher quality panty shots. |
ThatCynicalOtaku said: @NoobAsian Okay so I'm a noob. I haven't watched enough ecchi. Could you provide a list of ecchi anime that has a wider range of fetishes and/or you consider to have higher quality fan service? I could provide you a list of what I considered better than the average ecchi, but you must keep in mind that this is merely an opinion and not one you would share. This will include some of the shows you have watched. This is a small sample. |
SomeEdgeLord said: I WILL report you from this forum if this continues. In real life, I am one of the coldest, unsympathetic, people you'll ever know, who's grown up in an even colder household, you really don't want me to break my persona, I know how to make people feel bad. YearnsforAttention said: hm who has 1656 friends on MAL that's right me bye bye YearnsforAttention said: I don't want your approval how many damn times do I need to say it I enjoy irritating you I am gonna do things MY way |
| The real issue with ecchi, is that it's too vague of a term. That not everyone can come to consensus of what ecchi* is. Let alone what makes an ecchi "good" or "bad". *from what I understand, ecchi is the Japanese pronunciation of the letter h which is another way of saying hentai. But it's used more in a flirty manner. |
| Agreed op granted I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I don't particularly care for fan service because of my lukewarm introduction on the whole thing. It's fine. I won't berate anyone for enjoying the damn thing and I will appreciate it if the story warrant it. In fact Shoukugeki has the best placement of fan service I've ever seen in a shonen for lots of reasons. It has class and that's what makes it enjoyable. It doesn't just dangle all the girls in front of you clad in underwear shots 5 times an episode winking at you like "we know this is what you came for you bitch". Like fuck that. Writing and cinematography can do better and I've seen it. |
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ThatCynicalOtaku said: EcchiKingMamster said: @ThatCynicalOtaku at the end of the day, whether or not something is "improved" is still a matter of personal taste That is the common straw man fallacy, used to throw out any constructive criticism. I would never have passed my art and writing classes in high school, if I dismissed all criticism as, "Oh, it's just your taste, there's nothing wrong with my work". There's a large difference between wanting improvement from a critical point of view, vs personnel taste. thats not the same thing a stick figure does not look like a person, so if you're trying to draw a realistic person, ofc thats not going to be considered passable.. but if you want to make a cartoon full of stick figures however, thats all your personal taste and no one can stop you whether or not something is entertaining or satisfying is entirely dictated by your personal desires and there is no one giving you a score that you need in order to move on, its all about your personal entertainment and just because a "professional" thinks your writing is shit, doesn't mean you won't have a best selling book what YOU think will "improve" ecchi anime, will ruin it for some others.. that is not criticism, thats complaining that its not more of what you want |
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| @ThatCynicalOtaku But you need to still have some sort of critical mindset, some standards, if you want people to see your work as "good". Otherwise, there would be no critically acclaimed works, because everybody would be self-indulging themselves mindlessly into their own tastes. i do not give a fuck if critical people don't think something i like is good i don't give a fuck about critical acclaim i care about whether or not im entertained cause at the end of the day, it doesn't matter whether or not a movie gets a 30% approval rating on rotten tomatoes if the movie made 1billion dollars and the audiences loved it And that's exactly what your response seems to be to this forum (from my understanding): that there's nothing wrong with ecchi. Well, if there's nothing wrong with ecchi, why is it the most hated genre in anime? i love ecchi and many people love it, the people who make it love it, thats why its fucking there why? because people like to bash perversion, why else? there has always been a stigma against perverted sexualization, especially of young girls, because its associated with abuse, exploitation, molestation, rape, being creepy, and yes, jealousy Why do people immediately dismiss a series when they see the tag ecchi? because again, there is a stigma against being an openly horny pervert and many of the shows that orient around fanservice are seen as all being "the same" Yeah, Twilight became a massive hit...except nobody thinks it's actually good, because the creator put no actual thought into it, that meets any critical standards, or creates a new standard (like an avante garde). how do you know who thinks Twilight is good? so because critics bashed it that means the majority of those who watched it think its bad? people are going to enjoy something whether or not critical people think its good or bad, and much of the time, its the content that critical people think is bad that gets the most attention the only people who who truly care about criticism are other critical people ecchi/fanservice is extremely common because people love it, and its gonna stay the way it is because people love it as it is, just because theres people that whine their asses off doesn't mean people dont love it |
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Manaban said: but man in the manga they have a jiangshi for like, a very short while  i mean naturally i hear that she's barely there, otherwise it wouldn't be a character i have the potential to like i guess given my luck, but damn those legs anime is in desperate need of more jiangshi girls in general Damn this is the first time I see someone mention those goddesses in a really long time. I need more Ling Ling Huang and other jiangshi's in my life. I would love to see some more of them in anime/manga lol. |
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CatSoul said: We need buttholes. They don't have to blur buttholes. I want to see more buttholes. I'll sign that petition, where is the link? |
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ThatCynicalOtaku said: The difference between hentai and ecchi is the difference between taking one piece of chocolate, vs an entire bag. Lol, nice analogy. But the problem with ecchi anime is that their fan service is too light and cheap Yeah, a lot of so-called ecchi (I'm looking at you Saekano S2) aren't really ecchi at all. And some non-ecchi have so much service that they piss off those who don't expect service, or try to avoid it. My biggest problem with ecchi anime in general is the writing. I'm not saying that the characters need to be deep and introspective, but they could at least be funny or interesting a la To Love-Ru and Kiss x Sis, with personalities that you can kinda care about. Shows like Masou Gakuen HxH that take themselves too seriously, and have really repetitive service, are tedious. |
aikaflip said: Yeah, a lot of so-called ecchi (I'm looking at you Saekano S2) aren't really ecchi at all. And some non-ecchi have so much service that they piss off those who don't expect service, or try to avoid it. Well, like I said earlier in this thread, I think this problem stems from relying on MAL's tagging system too much when it comes to this specific tag and I try to "encourage" people not to use put too much weight onto it, either until it gets overhauled and can be somewhat useful or just not at all. It's laughably bad in terms of how the ecchi tag is applied to the point where I can only accurately describe it as being a game of roulette when it comes to determining what receives the tag and what doesn't. Gakusen Toshi Asterisk S2, which has almost no fanservice or sexualization whatsoever, is tagged an ecchi on MAL, but Nisemonogatari isn't. That's a complete joke as far as I'm concerned. ThatCynicalOtaku said: @Manaban I guess then that could be considered another problem with ecchi: The creators inaccurately deciding what's ecchi or not. I don't think this is really the fault of the creators as much as it is the fault of MAL |
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Manaban said: I was just looking at my completed list for anime tagged "ecchi" and noticed that. Far too many just have some fanservice.Gakusen Toshi Asterisk S2, which has almost no fanservice or sexualization whatsoever, is tagged an ecchi on MAL, but Nisemonogatari isn't. That's a complete joke as far as I'm concerned. I guess the real question is: What is "ecchi"? My answer: fanservice != ecchi sensual != ecchi nudity != ecchi hentai != ecchi sex scene != hentai (I'm looking at you Kite, oops getting a bit off track here) Tagged as ecchi: Air Gear - fanservice Bikini Warriors - ecchi Haganai - fanservice Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan - fanservice Cross Ange: Tenshi to Ryuu no Rondo - fanservice Dakara Boku wa, H ga Dekinai. - ecchi De:vadasy - wtf really mal? DearS - ecchi Elfen Lied - nudity Freezing - ecchi Gakusen Toshi Asterisk - fanservice Golden Boy - ecchi High School DxD - ecchi Kenzen Robo Daimidaler - ecchi Madan no Ou to Vanadis - fanservice Masou Gakuen HxH - hentai ecchi Needless - fanservice Netoge no Yome wa Onnanoko ja Nai to Omotta? - fanservice No Game No Life - fanservice Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry - fanservice Saijaku Muhai no Bahamut - fanservice Shinmai Maou no Testament - hentai ecchi Soukou no Strain - wtf mal Strike the Blood - fanservice Taimadou Gakuen 35 Shiken Shoutai - fanservice Triage X - ecchi Vandread - fanservice Vividred Operation - quality fanservice ecchi Zero no Tsukaima - fanservice Point being, most anime MAL has tagged as ecchi, isn't really. |
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| The only problem with ecchi anime is that people are too tsun too appreciate the hard work required to produce high quality sexually stimulating anime. If there were more people that are comfortable with their carnal desires, anime like Highschool DxD, Testament or High School of the Dead would get high scores like they deserve. Personally I also need to learn to do this myself. |
Darek said: Pullman said: Well, this kinda made me think, and well you are not wrong in saying that the reason why a lot of ecchi may suck (I am saying may since tbh, I did not even see that many ecchi) is the harem part of it. That is for two reasons, one is the harem itself and how it is executed and the other is the main reason most people watch ecchi, which is...Also the real problem is that the genre is way too much tied to the harem genre so you can almost never get ecchi without harem which is just shitty. It implicitly means there won't be any decent romance because it's a fucking harem, and it just invites all the generic harem/ecchi clichés that you can think of and seem to dislike yourself because of how inunspired and unoriginal they are. Every single ecchi show I enjoyed was not a harem so yeah, fuck harems they are what's ruining ecchi! Without being tied to that genre there could be much more variety in terms of romance, drama, comedy and pretty much anything. It would be free to explore eroticism in any context it wants and not just in that of faux-harems. *Drum Roll* The female characters. I mean, the main reason why I like ecchi is because I like sexy girls, but I also like those girls to have something more to them than the looks and a dere archetype. A lot of girls have just a single goal, to be with the protag, not too many from my experience have goals of their own. Which brings me to my initial point, the issue is that a lot of ecchi are not Keijo. The characters in Keijo may not be 10/10 material but they have a great base to make me interested in a series, the characters have their own stories, motivations, past, goals and so on. Actually, a female MC in an ecchi sounds like a much better idea to me, as opposed to having a male MC. LXVI said: I mean... it is you if you find it boring, like... what kind of question is that...Is it me or do I find most ecchi boring, and harems boring with the plot. Yeah Keijo and a couple of others like HenSemi and Shimoneta made me realize that at least when it comes to myself I enjoy these ecchi shows a lot right until the moment they introduce harem elements. Or take Hajimete no Gal recently, I thought it was gonna be about their relationship, with comedy and ecchi and stuff and it started out okay but then it just started ignoring that aspect and just introduce more girls and make a quasi-harem out of it and I lost interest. I mean of course part of that is just my personal, inherent dislike for the concept of harems because to me romance is only appealing when it's about 1n1 relationships. But I also think what you said about many harems just using the same formulaic archetypes and not really caring about fleshing out any of the girls properly is true to some extent. Manaban said: Gakusen Toshi Asterisk S2, which has almost no fanservice or sexualization whatsoever, is tagged an ecchi on MAL, but Nisemonogatari isn't. That's a complete joke as far as I'm concerned. That is an absolute joke, Nise even used to have the ecchi tag but I guess it's too mainstream and some people didn't want their precious favorite anime associated with the ecchi tag and complained or idk how they got the mods to just lie to the userbase like that -.-. Because ecchi it is for sure. I don't think the solution is what @BurntJelly suggests tho, just deciding based on what some user subjectively feels is ecchi and what is 'just fanservice'. That would make it even more useless for someone like me. I think they should just all be tagged with ecchi as long as they have ecchi/a bunch of fanservice/whatever you want to call it. The mods should stop 'protecting' more mainstream titles like Monogatari from the tag because that's really bullshit. I also lament that the harem tag is used inefficiently. When MC has some kind of 'girlfriend' there won't be a harem tag even if the whole show is about a bunch of girls trying to get MCs dick and the girlfriend part is a pure formality that noone in the show takes seriously. Reading a synopsis about a guy getting a girlfriend, seeing a romance tag but no harem tag, and then watching the show just to find out 90% of it is gonna be about random girls who are not MCs girlfriend and the 'relationship' gets completely ignored most of the time, is just frustrating and it happens more and more often these days. Okusama no Seitokaichou, Hajimete no Gal, Sho-Bitch (I assume based on the first episode introducing like two other girls which I was told aren't even introduced this early in the manga). These shows keep baiting me and then slamming me with the harem hammer -.- Heck even Monogatari is very harem-y in some parts and the main relationship is just kinda in the background being irrelevant while araragi plays around with other girls, openly lusting for them. I'd be down with slapping the harem and ecchi tags on Monogatari and moving on :> |
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| Hey Bro- seriously watch MM. Just do it. It was different. I am picky about my pantsu too. And you know what- me and Ecchi King get alone. <3 Also Just because pantsu is there CONSTANTLY AT 11 doesn't mean it isn't good. See: Chu Bra. Which actually had likable characters and a point to it's pantsu. Would be great if you had a rating on Panty Stocking so I knew if you liked it or not. It had a great use of sexy plot. I see you like Evangelion. Did you like the way it used sexiness in the plot? I personally did like it's use of fanservice myself. You have not seen Gunbuster. You should consider it. Nude. Great perfect bounces. The way they show off tits in that show is great. The plot is great. The girls all have different sized breasts. And very different personalities. You do have a very moe feel even though it is 1989. It is only 6 eps. and as always with Gainax. Dat ending. I guess I wonder why you didn't like Keijo. It was a very different kind of Ecchi. From it's girls who were of age, girls who were career motivated. Girls who were likable. Combo'd nice with the DBZ boob and butt powers. I thought it was a nice mesh myself. Lots of variety in body type. It really didn't feel "generic". I guess another touch stone here is Mayo Chiki. You left this unrated. As well as Kore Wa Zombie Desu Ka. You liked Dragon Maid which is lolis and humor. A World God only Knows which is about a guy who kisses lots of girls sexual conquest video game logic. It was funny. But the girls were under developed and the guy was cool and it was pretty episodic. It was pretty good though. (like gamer to gamer.) You like the over the top-ness of both High school of the Dead and B-Toom. Where me, I only like HSOTD. And you hate Dokuro Chan and I love Dokuro-Chan. lol. But we BOTH dislike Akame ga Kill. So it is where we draw the line! So now that we have taste established here. And that for the most part, we haven't seen each other's ecchi: The rec I am sticking with is Gunbuster. It isn't labeled but it is great.  That is from the opening. So you have a nice ass to tits bounce.  A lot of the sexiness Noriko has is just you know... the training.  ^^ or those piloting skills.   If you DO like Panty Stocking and ummm stuff Trigger and LATE term Gainax (like Gurren Laggan and especially Panty Stocking)made consider RE: Cutey Honey.  |
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| [quote=Pullman message=53034959][quote=Darek message=53032495] Pullman said: I also lament that the harem tag is used inefficiently. When MC has some kind of 'girlfriend' there won't be a harem tag even if the whole show is about a bunch of girls trying to get MCs dick and the girlfriend part is a pure formality that noone in the show takes seriously. Reading a synopsis about a guy getting a girlfriend, seeing a romance tag but no harem tag, and then watching the show just to find out 90% of it is gonna be about random girls who are not MCs girlfriend and the 'relationship' gets completely ignored most of the time, is just frustrating and it happens more and more often these days. Okusama no Seitokaichou, Hajimete no Gal, Sho-Bitch (I assume based on the first episode introducing like two other girls which I was told aren't even introduced this early in the manga). These shows keep baiting me and then slamming me with the harem hammer -.- Heck even Monogatari is very harem-y in some parts and the main relationship is just kinda in the background being irrelevant while araragi plays around with other girls, openly lusting for them. I'd be down with slapping the harem and ecchi tags on Monogatari and moving on :> Telling Evangelion fans that Evangelion is the most successful ecchi incest Harem is hilarious. (more than 3 people like the protag: check. People related to the protag in the harem by genetics or law? double triple check. lol. It even there was pantsu and nudity in the original series in more than one episode... and there was even erection talk.) |
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| A bit ecchi is okay. Boobies are love. And it creates a few funny moments in manga and anime. The line when it starts to be to much or to less is a taste thing. Each one it's own. |
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| Hentai and Ecchi are similar, but they're also pretty different. Ecchi is more fan service, mild nudity, lightly sexual and all the subtle shit. Hentai is straight up porn. I personally don't mind either. I don't really prefer either one, Fan service has never been an issue with me. |
| That's probably because it's limited to the amount of cancer that can be produced each episode since there's not much else cancer left to use. Did I mention cancer? Yeah, go watch a hentai if you want more out of it. |
| The actual problem with ecchi anime...the elitist and anime snobs hate it! |
| I agree mostly, even though I don't care for ecchi myself. You sound like a connoisseur of animated perversion, sort of like how I used to be when I was 11-13 years old. I find softcore hentai like Aki Sora to be a better alternative to outright hentai than ecchi. I think part of the problem with ecchi is how it's supposed to be comical. What creators need to realize is that- it AIN'T. It's too over-used and can get annoying, especially if combined with violence. |
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CatSoul said: We need buttholes. They don't have to blur buttholes. I want to see more buttholes. Speaking of buttholes, the buttholes in the hentai Tamashii: Insert were quite defined. I thought it was gross, though. |
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| Food Wars is one of the few good Ecchi anime. I do like ecchi and hentai but what makes an anime really good for me is an interesting plot. Hentai has little to no plot and ecchi often has a bit more but still little plot. |
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TheHopefulOtaku said: Before I begin, I'm just going to avoid bullshitting around, and make myself clear: I love fan service. I fap to hentai minimum 2 hours a day. I keep hearing people like ShadowACS ask: "What is the point in ecchi when you have hentai, which goes all the way?" The difference between hentai and ecchi is the difference between taking one piece of chocolate, vs an entire bag. Ecchi is meant to be more, "subtle", "seductive", "unpredictable" (since you can't tell when a fan service scene will happen like with hentai). Ecchi is meant to arouse you, but not necessarily make you jerk off. Hentai is mean to be "in your face": make you just jerk off without a second thought. But the problem with ecchi anime is that their fan service is too light and cheap: they primarily bank their fan service on cheap, generic, boob/ass shots, or a cliche scene where one girl kinda shows her boobs a bit to the main character, and then the scene ends. In the opening scene of Monster Musume, a half-snake girl is cuddled next to the main character, shoving his face into her boobs. It's hot. It's erotic. But it's also not straight-up porn. EDIT: I want to see more VARIETY in ecchi anime. If ecchi showed more wouldn't it just be the same as hentai? |
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