| Do you think it's a good way of marketing a product? Things like those old GoDaddy ads early 2k beer commercials Squatch soap with Sidney Sweeney |
TheBlockernatorSep 20, 2:57 PM
| My waifu is the most wonderful waifu. Mai Valentine. We're freaking out that we're running out of time, but to do what? Should i stop and think of that? Is there something i could do to slow it down? Live in a day for once, instead of watch it sprinting by |
| i've never bought a product but the ads do stick in my mind. For the longest time, i swear, i never knew what the hell go daddy was for. |
| My waifu is the most wonderful waifu. Mai Valentine. We're freaking out that we're running out of time, but to do what? Should i stop and think of that? Is there something i could do to slow it down? Live in a day for once, instead of watch it sprinting by |
| I watch anime for hot waifus. I played games for hot waifus. I play eroge for hot waifus. I buy figures of hot waifus. I read manga for hot waifus. It is peak!  |
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TheBlockernator said: Yes but they should use 2d anime girls and not slutty strip club pinups from straight out of the 1980s/1990s/early 2000s.Do you think it's a good way of marketing a product? |
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| Lots of visual media has hot girls for marketing. |
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| I am of the humble opinion that advertising should be illegal, but until that gets put into law, I'll take hot girls over for example whatever Jaguar was doing. |
| If it works, it works. The actresses I'm sure are paid well, and I get to see hot women. I can't say there's much downside. I'm not falling for the marketing either way. |
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| don't care, not turned on, only a dumb ape would do something because you flash boobies at it |
| Nothing wrong with it, i just dont see why buy something bcs of that... unless she came with the product ofc but that is impossible for obvious reasons haha |
| It is similar to how I feel about those ubiquitous YouTube sponsorships every YouTuber has, for example Raymon earbuds or Established Titles. It is usually cringe-inducing ads for a mediocre product. I wouldn’t buy it but I am also not the target audience. |
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| The first commercial weird american college football for low income families who live in trailer parks. Second one? That's Sydney Sweeney? She basic with boob implants. "She can't act either" amity yelled. @PeripheralVision Raycon* but those worked. I hate world of tanks and raid shadow legends not to mention fed NordVPN |
| Can't see I really have, unless of course you count anime and Anime figures. Because then I am guilty. XD |
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| I'd rather they use a hot guy, but not that I will buy the product! |
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| It gets really insidious when sex appeal is marketed towards women, because it's meant to make us feel like shit. "Oh, look at these women playfully flaunting their crop tops and ass exposing short shorts! You ain't shit unless you have the 'confidence' to do the same!" |
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I Was Sold on my Latest Hunnie♥ on the Strength of her Advertising Alone;  And Then i saw fit to Make Her into the ♥Sweet-Hearted Nurse♥ that i saw in her from the Start~    |
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| The most it ever does is makes me want to fuck the model, not buy the product in question. |
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| I like seeing it, but I haven't bought a product simply because a hot girl advertises it. It's just nice to see, is all. Note that here I am referring solely to ads of general products or services that show actual girls. Live-action ads, basically. I am not counting things like anime, manga, VNs, comic books, cartoons, video games, or other similar things that have hot girls; I am not counting live action film or television that has hot girls either. These cases use characters that appear in the media being advertised, which is completely different to ads selling, say, earbuds or dog food. If you choose to count that which I haven't, then I have bought things there. |
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| @MasterTasuke Superb photo!!!! ๐คฉ๐คฉ๐คฉ |
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| I prefer my commercials with muscular men. |
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| If your product needs a bikini to sell, then it’s not the product that’s hot, it’s the marketing that’s lazy and lacking ideas |
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I prefer my commercials with muscular men.
| @Kwanthemaster I know you collect shorts. Have this Shopee commercial with Terry. |
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| I don't think "hot girls" made me buy anything. Especially not disgust American that taste like someone spit in it. Too skinny and with a basic face. |
| It's not going to get me to buy it, if that is what you are asking. I honestly don't care. Like I might be gooner, however, when I am not thinking about sex in my deepest darkest evenings, largely I actually don't care about sex appeal. You have to get in the mood, and I am probably more angry, than turned on when I am watching an ad during my sports broadcast or youtube video. |
| I studied marketing and communications, its a subject I am passionate in, and my personal opinion is that it sucksss asssss. I think its a subtle way of telling the society that its dumb lol, since its intended for a mass and heterogeneous audience susceptible to homogenization. I know sex n allat sells, hot woman=even hotter product or whatever. Theodor Adorno and Max Horkheimer (Frankfurt School) wrote a cool book that criticizes this if anyone likes sociology and social criticism and would like to read more. :) Now, even tho I am someone who is attracted to women, I didnt buy anything because a woman advertised it, if anything I just roll my eyes at it, especially since there are so many creative ways of making ads, Truth be told, it is way more challenging to make a creative, smart ad that will make people stop to look at it and decipher it. Ad with booba will probs win in that situation. xD |
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| I might watch a show just because it has an attractive character in it, but otherwise, no, I have otherwise never been influenced by the opinions of attractive people, especially when it comes to spending money. |
| No, same with hot guys It's highly misogynistic and distateful, the world would be better if we got rid of those |
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I am of the humble opinion that advertising should be illegal, but until that gets put into law, I'll take hot girls over for example whatever Jaguar was doing.
| @JaniSIr I'm guessing this means you dont believe in capitalism as a system then? How can it function without advertising? I suppose it depends what you define as advertising. I love how over 77% on the poll said no lol, but of course most people wouldnt admit it to themselves, or even know the sex appeal aspect is affecting them enough to specifically buy the product, also its not just "hot girls" its sexualisation in general, and sexual innuendos. Even if you dont buy the product because of the hot woman in question, it will at least grab your attention, esp if you're a straight male, you will most likely look (not that I'm condoning this). |
Hydre_ItoDec 11, 12:29 PM
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@JaniSIr
I'm guessing this means you dont believe in capitalism as a system then? How can it function without advertising? I suppose it depends what you define as advertising.
I love how over 77% on the poll said no lol, but of course most people wouldnt admit it to themselves, or even know the sex appeal aspect is affecting them enough to specifically buy the product, also its not just "hot girls" its sexualisation in general, and sexual innuendos. Even if you dont buy the product because of the hot woman in question, it will at least grab your attention, esp if you're a straight male, you will most likely look (not that I'm condoning this).
I'm guessing this means you dont believe in capitalism as a system then? How can it function without advertising? I suppose it depends what you define as advertising.
I love how over 77% on the poll said no lol, but of course most people wouldnt admit it to themselves, or even know the sex appeal aspect is affecting them enough to specifically buy the product, also its not just "hot girls" its sexualisation in general, and sexual innuendos. Even if you dont buy the product because of the hot woman in question, it will at least grab your attention, esp if you're a straight male, you will most likely look (not that I'm condoning this).
| @Hydre_Ito Nowhere in the definition of capitalism does it say that corporations have the right to your attention 24/7, and to build a global surveillance network for improved brainwashing effectiveness. Free market in fact assumes that the participants are rational and have perfect information, which is obviously not true, and subconscious manipulation and outright deception is the goal of advertisements. Advertisements do not benefit the consumer, they are unethical, and if your business strategy can't function without predatory ads, maybe you don't deserve to be in business. Anything worth buying will eventually spread through word of mouth, someone will search for it, or pick up in a store. Stop ruining cityscapes with billboard, stop interrupting every video with ads, stop ruining the internet with pop up, stop creeping on people with every single device they ever buy. |
| I think context is key. Those Carl's Jr/Hardee's ads for example. Clearly those were only made because someone jacks off to the idea of attractive women eating greasy meat. There's zero connection between skinny girls in bikinis and their food. They aren't Hooters or Twin Peaks where that's the gimmick. The Go Daddy thing was also weird. For a while I was wondering why the hell a porn site was advertised on tv. It even sounds like a porn site. Compare that, to say, a video game ad where they bring in a model/actress to cosplay as Cammy from Street Fighter or something along those lines. Or a lingerie ad. Say what you want about the tactic, it makes thematic sense in those cases. But this is advertising. Everything is over-exaggerated in one way or another, for better or for worse. When I go shopping and see male underwear models that look nothing like most of the customers. That's not even a "sex sells" thing, it's a "if it's good enough for that guy" thing. But still very much in a similar vein. |
FanofActionDec 11, 6:47 PM
JaniSIr said: I am of the humble opinion that advertising should be illegal I am of the smug opinion that cretins who try to forcefully remove advertising from society (by subjecting anyone daring to advertise things to being stolen from and imprisoned by the state, which can result in them being raped, tortured and killed) should be publicly torn limb from limb in stadiums. >:] Advertising is a right and you have no right to interfere. (Same goes for related things like capitalism, property rights and freedom of speech.) Hydre_Ito said: I'm guessing this means you dont believe in capitalism as a system then? How can it function without advertising? I suppose it depends what you define as advertising. Don't expect someone so deluded to possess a basic understanding of business, marketing and economics. Without advertising, no one would ever know products and services existed to begin with. (That's true with any economic system. Of course, natural objects already exist, but I meant in the context of selling them.) I explained all this to him in detail before, yet he keeps spouting the same nonsense. JaniSIr said: Nowhere in the definition of capitalism does it say that corporations have the right to your attention 24/7, and to build a global surveillance network for improved brainwashing effectiveness. Okay...? And how does the definition of this economic system prohibit people from doing these things? (Spoiler: it doesn't.) No one with a lick of sense ever said that anyone has the right to anyone's constant attention. Capitalism, in the philosophical sense, does uphold the right to property...and some people use their property for surveillance purposes. If you don't like that, don't use their property. Mind you, I am a privacy advocate...but that is something you must take personal responsibility for. You are using the term brainwashing loosely. It traditionally refers to more extreme techniques to dramatically change a person. Free market in fact assumes that the participants are rational and have perfect information, which is obviously not true, Markets are nothing more than people making economic decisions like buying, selling and trading things, starting businesses and so on. A free market is one with less government restrictions controlling people's actions in that regard. Fully free markets do not exist, so it is only in contrast to less free ones. It does not "assume" anything, let alone that people have "perfect information"; you just made that up in a vain attempt to trick the gullible into your absurd ideology. Nice try at the advertising you so loathe...but take it from someone who actually had a career in marketing and owned businesses: you have a lot to learn about persuading people. Perfect information would presumably entail omniscience, effectively rendering ads pointless, as any information they could convey would already be known. It's beyond me why you chose this silly phrase that does more to assail your position than defend it. and subconscious manipulation and outright deception is the goal of advertisements. Again, you just made that up. That may be the goal of some ads, but certainly not most. Ads typically tell you about the thing that is being sold (or in some instances given away) and how it can benefit you. Advertisements do not benefit the consumer, Advertisements do (or at least can) benefit the consumer. They inform them of products and services that can benefit them, as well as promotions that can save them money and so on. they are unethical, You claim this with no evidence or explanation. Just because some advertising may be unethical does not magically make all advertisements unethical. and if your business strategy can't function without predatory ads, maybe you don't deserve to be in business. Without advertising, businesses would not exist at all and no one would ever be aware of any products or services. It is as simple as that. Anything worth buying will eventually spread through word of mouth, Word of mouth is a form of advertising. GG. And no, it is not that simple. There are so many great things out there that most people aren't aware of because they have not been marketed much. More often than not, things do not spread by word of mouth alone in the manner you suggest. When you see people spreading the word themselves, it is normally only after they have been made aware of it by advertising campaigns, many of which cost millions of dollars to implement. someone will search for it, How do you think these avenues of searching for things exist? (Such as search engines.) They are funded by advertising. or pick up in a store. Without advertising, nothing would be in stores in the first place. I explained all this to you before, like how most sales are business to business, and there is a lot that happens in the background before items reach stores. Stop ruining cityscapes with billboard, Some of those billboards are on private property. The owners have a right to advertise on them. For billboards on public property, you may be able to vote on whether they can be there. Or better yet, don't live in urban hellscapes and move to a more pleasant locale. stop interrupting every video with ads, That is the price you pay for using free video sites. Without the ads funding their operations, they would not be able to be free. Many content creators also have sponsors in their videos who pay them to promote their brands. Some rely on those sponsorships to earn a living. (Or they directly sell things like memberships or merchandise.) And that's really what it comes down to: you want to deny countless people the ability to earn a living or even communicate freely, just because you don't like ads and the fact that they are not outlawed like some sort of insane dictatorship. stop ruining the internet with pop up, I rarely encounter pop-ups. Then again, I use an ad blocker in my browser. :P stop creeping on people with every single device they ever buy. If you think you can make a better product without this creeping, as you call it, have at it. Instead of trying to control everyone else's lives, how about you create something that people are willing to pay for and bring it to the marketplace? Maybe then you'll understand how essential advertising is. |
SmugSatokoDec 11, 9:34 PM
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| don't really care. i don't think i've ever seeked something out because i watched an ad for it |
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| Never will you catch me buying something because a hot chick advertises it, do I look like I'm made of money? and besides I'll just watch the ad and move on I have to actually want the product or the product to come with the girl... |
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@Hydre_Ito Nowhere in the definition of capitalism does it say that corporations have the right to your attention 24/7, and to build a global surveillance network for improved brainwashing effectiveness.
Free market in fact assumes that the participants are rational and have perfect information, which is obviously not true, and subconscious manipulation and outright deception is the goal of advertisements.
Advertisements do not benefit the consumer, they are unethical, and if your business strategy can't function without predatory ads, maybe you don't deserve to be in business.
Anything worth buying will eventually spread through word of mouth, someone will search for it, or pick up in a store.
Stop ruining cityscapes with billboard, stop interrupting every video with ads, stop ruining the internet with pop up, stop creeping on people with every single device they ever buy.
Free market in fact assumes that the participants are rational and have perfect information, which is obviously not true, and subconscious manipulation and outright deception is the goal of advertisements.
Advertisements do not benefit the consumer, they are unethical, and if your business strategy can't function without predatory ads, maybe you don't deserve to be in business.
Anything worth buying will eventually spread through word of mouth, someone will search for it, or pick up in a store.
Stop ruining cityscapes with billboard, stop interrupting every video with ads, stop ruining the internet with pop up, stop creeping on people with every single device they ever buy.
| @JaniSIr I mean, I agree with you to an extent. The way things are now sure feel a bit like "global surveillance network for improved brainwashing effectiveness" lmao, with almost every company and social media platform farming our data for personalised ads and such, and yes excessive billboards do ruin city scapes, I mean look at times square or the infamous shibuya crossing. However, I believe advertising can be ethical, unless you assume the average person has the intelligence of a fish, most people would know they're being persuaded to buy the product in question, brainwashing is a gross exaggeration. I don't condone overly manipulative ads either, but I think if you want to sell anything beyond the basic needs, then you need to advertise to have a successful business model, word of mouth alone isnt going to be enough, especially in a highly competitive market, competitive markets are a main component of capitalism. I would say @SmugSatoko did a pretty good job of breaking it down. Capitalism without advertising is an interesting idea, but it will never be doable in the age of the internet lol. Even if we somehow tried to prevent its inception before the internet, it wouldve been a complete failure, we would have had to eliminate the idea of social media as well. If you want to keep word of mouth in the picture, its gonna turn into other forms of advertising eventually, unless you want to live in a dystopian authoritarian regime I guess. I'm curious what system you had in mind? |
Hydre_ItoYesterday, 1:04 AM
Hydre_Ito said: Capitalism without advertising is an interesting idea, its basically what they had in the 18th century Depending how it's defined, advertising is all-encompassing. Telling someone you have a product for sale, or telling them about it in any sales-related capacity, is advertising. Even the listed prices are literally advertisements. its gonna turn into other forms of advertising eventually, unless you want to live in a dystopian authoritarian regime I guess. That's what I was trying to emphasize...which is odd, because he has criticized other economic systems more harshly. |
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SmugSatoko said: Advertising is a right and you have no right to interfere. (Same goes for related things like capitalism, property rights and freedom of speech.) Freedom of speech doesn't actually protect advertising. While they might be allowed to say whatever they want about their product, I absolutely should have the right to not consent to hearing any of it. And not in the "we will brick your smart TV if you don't consent to it tehe, so random", but like genuinely looking for a product to buy for whatever reason. SmugSatoko said: Don't expect someone so deluded to possess a basic understanding of business, marketing and economics. Without advertising, no one would ever know products and services existed to begin with. (That's true with any economic system. Of course, natural objects already exist, but I meant in the context of selling them.) I explained all this to him in detail before, yet he keeps spouting the same nonsense. Oh no, what will the poor trillion dollar companies do! SmugSatoko said: Capitalism, in the philosophical sense, does uphold the right to property...and some people use their property for surveillance purposes. If you don't like that, don't use their property. Mind you, I am a privacy advocate...but that is something you must take personal responsibility for. First of all, it's MY property they use. If I buy something, that is mine from that point on, and it should not have the ability to spy on me. And while I agree that you need to protect yourself, like walking in a bad neighborhood at night in full gold jewelry is a very bad idea, however if you were to get robbed, the robber is still in the wrong, and deserves jail time. SmugSatoko said: Markets are nothing more than people making economic decisions like buying, selling and trading things, starting businesses and so on. A free market is one with less government restrictions controlling people's actions in that regard. Fully free markets do not exist, so it is only in contrast to less free ones. It does not "assume" anything, let alone that people have "perfect information"; you just made that up in a vain attempt to trick the gullible into your absurd ideology. Nice try at the advertising you so loathe...but take it from someone who actually had a career in marketing and owned businesses: you have a lot to learn about persuading people. Perfect information would presumably entail omniscience, effectively rendering ads pointless, as any information they could convey would already be known. It's beyond me why you chose this silly phrase that does more to assail your position than defend it. You clearly haven't been to an economic class ever. They teach a bunch of theories, like how supply and demand works, but those theories rely on such assumptions, that fundamentally aren't true in practice. SmugSatoko said: Again, you just made that up. That may be the goal of some ads, but certainly not most. Ads typically tell you about the thing that is being sold (or in some instances given away) and how it can benefit you. You also clearly don't know how ads work. There is this thing called "mere exposure effect", where just seeing something over and over will generate familiarity, and other positive associations, which is why everyone constantly advertises, whether the business is going well or poorly. SmugSatoko said: Advertisements do (or at least can) benefit the consumer. They inform them of products and services that can benefit them, as well as promotions that can save them money and so on. If I wanted to buy a product I would search for it. I don't care about your stupid product while watching a movie, or wanting to watch a video on youtube, never mind just walking outside. SmugSatoko said: You claim this with no evidence or explanation. Just because some advertising may be unethical does not magically make all advertisements unethical. They waste your time, they are manipulative, frequently outright deceitful, and people built a massive surveillance network to support them. What about any of that is defensible? I included all of that in the original post you are replying too, but you just dismissed it all... SmugSatoko said: Without advertising, businesses would not exist at all and no one would ever be aware of any products or services. It is as simple as that. Oh yea, then explain how I managed to buy a brand of frozen chicken nuggets in the grocery store I have never heard of before! Checkmate. SmugSatoko said: Word of mouth is a form of advertising. GG. And no, it is not that simple. There are so many great things out there that most people aren't aware of because they have not been marketed much. More often than not, things do not spread by word of mouth alone in the manner you suggest. When you see people spreading the word themselves, it is normally only after they have been made aware of it by advertising campaigns, many of which cost millions of dollars to implement. At this point you are stretching the word "advertising" so far just to strawman me... SmugSatoko said: How do you think these avenues of searching for things exist? (Such as search engines.) They are funded by advertising. And that's why Google became unusable. Google stopped giving out good results for your searches, the first few results are always ads, and then there is AI slop, and then probably a bunch of unrelated links, so that you need to do another search query, which will have even more ads. SmugSatoko said: Some of those billboards are on private property. The owners have a right to advertise on them. For billboards on public property, you may be able to vote on whether they can be there. Or better yet, don't live in urban hellscapes and move to a more pleasant locale. Bruh, just make cities more livable... SmugSatoko said: That is the price you pay for using free video sites. Without the ads funding their operations, they would not be able to be free. Many content creators also have sponsors in their videos who pay them to promote their brands. Some rely on those sponsorships to earn a living. (Or they directly sell things like memberships or merchandise.) And that's really what it comes down to: you want to deny countless people the ability to earn a living or even communicate freely, just because you don't like ads and the fact that they are not outlawed like some sort of insane dictatorship. Then make them not free, simple solution. It'd improve the content too, because with advertising business model attention is the primary currency, so quality content gets buried beneath slop. YouTube sponsorships in particular are extremely infamous of being outright scams. And communicate freely with each other, leave the consumer (ME) out of it! So do I, but with that we are back at the self defense issue... I might reasonably be expected to protect myself, but it's still the offender that needs to face the law. SmugSatoko said: If you think you can make a better product without this creeping, as you call it, have at it. Instead of trying to control everyone else's lives, how about you create something that people are willing to pay for and bring it to the marketplace? Maybe then you'll understand how essential advertising is. What are you even talking about, they are the ones trying to control ME. That's the whole point of advertising!!! Advertising clearly works, otherwise wouldn't everyone do it, but that doesn't make it morally right. There are a lot of other business strategies that work, but are prohibited by law. |
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@JaniSIr
I mean, I agree with you to an extent. The way things are now sure feel a bit like "global surveillance network for improved brainwashing effectiveness" lmao, with almost every company and social media platform farming our data for personalised ads and such, and yes excessive billboards do ruin city scapes, I mean look at times square or the infamous shibuya crossing. However, I believe advertising can be ethical, unless you assume the average person has the intelligence of a fish, most people would know they're being persuaded to buy the product in question, brainwashing is a gross exaggeration. I don't condone overly manipulative ads either, but I think if you want to sell anything beyond the basic needs, then you need to advertise to have a successful business model, word of mouth alone isnt going to be enough, especially in a highly competitive market, competitive markets are a main component of capitalism.
I would say @SmugSatoko did a pretty good job of breaking it down.
Capitalism without advertising is an interesting idea, but it will never be doable in the age of the internet lol. Even if we somehow tried to prevent its inception before the internet, it wouldve been a complete failure, we would have had to eliminate the idea of social media as well. If you want to keep word of mouth in the picture, its gonna turn into other forms of advertising eventually, unless you want to live in a dystopian authoritarian regime I guess. I'm curious what system you had in mind?
I mean, I agree with you to an extent. The way things are now sure feel a bit like "global surveillance network for improved brainwashing effectiveness" lmao, with almost every company and social media platform farming our data for personalised ads and such, and yes excessive billboards do ruin city scapes, I mean look at times square or the infamous shibuya crossing. However, I believe advertising can be ethical, unless you assume the average person has the intelligence of a fish, most people would know they're being persuaded to buy the product in question, brainwashing is a gross exaggeration. I don't condone overly manipulative ads either, but I think if you want to sell anything beyond the basic needs, then you need to advertise to have a successful business model, word of mouth alone isnt going to be enough, especially in a highly competitive market, competitive markets are a main component of capitalism.
I would say @SmugSatoko did a pretty good job of breaking it down.
Capitalism without advertising is an interesting idea, but it will never be doable in the age of the internet lol. Even if we somehow tried to prevent its inception before the internet, it wouldve been a complete failure, we would have had to eliminate the idea of social media as well. If you want to keep word of mouth in the picture, its gonna turn into other forms of advertising eventually, unless you want to live in a dystopian authoritarian regime I guess. I'm curious what system you had in mind?
| @Hydre_Ito Most people aren't going to buy something immediately just because someone told them to. But that's not how ads work anyway... JaniSIr said: You also clearly don't know how ads work. There is this thing called "mere exposure effect", where just seeing something over and over will generate familiarity, and other positive associations, which is why everyone constantly advertises, whether the business is going well or poorly. And your average corporation would be very happy to establish a monopoly with whatever tools they have access to, advertisement mostly benefits the big brands anyway, since they have more budget... SmugSatoko said: Depending how it's defined, advertising is all-encompassing. Telling someone you have a product for sale, or telling them about it in any sales-related capacity, is advertising. Even the listed prices are literally advertisements. I'm pretty sure advertising already has a lawful definition. Like if you are promoting a product you are lawfully required to disclose that you are affiliated with the company, as in you work for it, have ownership in it, or got paid by them in whatever manner... Generally get rid of that, unless it's specifically opt-in only. If want to watch a youtube video -> I don't care for your scam mobile game ad Want to watch a movie -> stop interrupting it every 10 minutes with 5 minutes of ads. I wanted to listen to music on the radio -> Just play the music without constant ads (I hate the talk shows too) I am specifically looking for a new phone -> Here you go, for a period of time you can tell me about your stupid phone. I'm sure there are some loopholes and corner cases that need to be patched, but the principle is not that complicated. |
JaniSIr said: Freedom of speech doesn't actually protect advertising. Freedom of speech primarily pertains to whether the government will imprison you, fine you, etc. for your speech. In the US, the Constitution does protect freedom of speech in advertising. (Albeit to a lesser extent than non-commercial speech.) You're the one who wants to destroy freedom of speech by making advertising illegal...which is the most retarded policy proposal I have ever heard of. While they might be allowed to say whatever they want about their product, I absolutely should have the right to not consent to hearing any of it. How? If you use something like YouTube that has ads, you consented to using it and coming across ads they display. If you don't consent, don't use it. And not in the "we will brick your smart TV if you don't consent to it tehe, so random", but like genuinely looking for a product to buy for whatever reason. You did not express your point clearly here. What about looking for a product? And how does that relate to not consenting to seeing ads? Oh no, what will the poor trillion dollar companies do! It's like you've never heard of small businesses or something. But how large the businesses are is not what matters here; the point is that no products or services would exist in the market at all without advertising. First of all, it's MY property they use. If I buy something, that is mine from that point on, and it should not have the ability to spy on me. You agree to their terms when you purchase a company's products or use their services. You don't get to decide whether products that "spy" on people exist. If you don't like those types of products, simply don't buy them. And while I agree that you need to protect yourself, like walking in a bad neighborhood at night in full gold jewelry is a very bad idea, however if you were to get robbed, the robber is still in the wrong, and deserves jail time. Lazy analogy. The companies that made those products are not stealing from you. You chose to buy them. You clearly haven't been to an economic class ever. They teach a bunch of theories, like how supply and demand works, but those theories rely on such assumptions, that fundamentally aren't true in practice. Supply, demand, and markets exist in reality. On the other hand, the assumptions you mentioned are just strawman fallacies you made up. Even in purely academic economic theory, it is never assumed that people are perfectly rational or have perfect information. In fact, those in the marketing industry know better than most how irrational and emotional human decision-making can be. You also clearly don't know how ads work. There is this thing called "mere exposure effect", where just seeing something over and over will generate familiarity, and other positive associations, which is why everyone constantly advertises, whether the business is going well or poorly. I have told you multiple times now that I had a career in marketing and have owned businesses. *facepalm* I guarantee I know far more than you. Everyone knows about the exposure effect of ads, and nothing I have stated suggests I did not. Like I said, you're just making shit up in a desperate attempt to save face. You claimed deception is the goal of ads. The burden of proof is on you to substantiate that assertion. "Subconscious manipulation" is so vague as to be meaningless. It does nothing to support your position. If I wanted to buy a product I would search for it. Good for you. But you do not have a right to dictate how others advertise or whether they can even advertise at all. I don't care about your stupid product while watching a movie, or wanting to watch a video on youtube, never mind just walking outside. The reason the free video services are able to be free is because they are supported by ads. If you want to view video content without ads, you can use ad blockers or video services you directly pay for. They waste your time, Some do...but literally billions of ads have been useful for people, not wasting their time at all. I (along with countless others) have saved a lot of money and gotten so many useful products and services thanks to ads. they are manipulative, You mean they use language to try to persuade you to buy their products? Horror of horrors! frequently outright deceitful, Know what else is frequently deceitful? Human beings. It comes with the territory. and people built a massive surveillance network to support them. You mean they purchased property and developed technology that does things you don't like? *boo hoo* What about any of that is defensible? What about any of that makes you think you have the right to dictate how others run their own businesses? I included all of that in the original post you are replying too, but you just dismissed it all... I dismissed nothing. You apparently think you explained why ads are inherently unethical, but you did no such thing. Oh yea, then explain how I managed to buy a brand of frozen chicken nuggets in the grocery store I have never heard of before! Checkmate. That product only got to the store after many levels of advertising, with numerous businesses collaborating. The store also advertises the products in various ways. Your perspective is that of a toddler. At this point you are stretching the word "advertising" so far just to strawman me... Even if you don't consider word of mouth to be advertising in this context (even though it is a well-known form of advertising), I covered how word of mouth tends to be only after they are exposed to the product by expensive ad campaigns. It's like you don't even bother reading what I say. And that's why Google became unusable. Google stopped giving out good results for your searches, the first few results are always ads, and then there is AI slop, and then probably a bunch of unrelated links, so that you need to do another search query, which will have even more ads. Nothing you said negated the fact that if you want to do an online search, you will be using websites funded by advertising. (This is true for smaller sites too.) Google is the most popular search engine. It's still perfectly usable for billions of people. I use it many times a day. Google's AI Mode has also saved me the trouble of spending hours researching complex topics, instantly giving me the answers I need. For topics that interest me the most, I can always read for extended periods, but when I want a quick answer that efficiently summarizes it, nothing beats AI. Just today I was able to give instructions to someone in another country shipping a package to me. He didn't think he would be able to due to new regulations, but it turns out it's fairly simple after following the instructions the AI synthesized for me. (It would have taken much longer to do the research manually to get the same info.) If you are getting unrelated links, that's on you for making an inaccurate search. When you're looking for something specific, you need to be specific with your search keywords. You can also put phrases in quotes for higher accuracy. Bruh, just make cities more livable... Just respect the property rights and free speech of others. (Side note: I'd rather be devoured by wild animals than live in a big city.) Then make them not free, simple solution. That's not a simple solution at all. What about all the people who want free video sites? There are already many paid video sites anyway. It'd improve the content too, because with advertising business model attention is the primary currency, so quality content gets buried beneath slop. There are millions of high quality YouTube videos, even though the average quality would be higher with a directly paid service. YouTube sponsorships in particular are extremely infamous of being outright scams. Generalizations get you nowhere. The majority of sponsorships are just normal businesses, not scams. And communicate freely with each other, leave the consumer (ME) out of it! If I own a website (or whatever), I have the right to communicate (relatively) freely on it and sell ads on it. So do I, but with that we are back at the self defense issue... I might reasonably be expected to protect myself, but it's still the offender that needs to face the law. Advertising is not a crime and never will be. (At least not in my country.) What are you even talking about, they are the ones trying to control ME. That's the whole point of advertising!!! No, you want to control people by using the power of the state to criminally punish them for advertising...you fucking psychopath. That is entirely different from ads trying to persuade you to voluntarily do things, without forcing you with threats of throwing you in a cage if you don't comply. Advertising clearly works, otherwise wouldn't everyone do it, but that doesn't make it morally right. You have failed to explain how advertising itself is morally wrong. If someone starts a business and develops products to sell, there is nothing immoral about them advertising that to others. The websites, magazines, etc. ads are displayed on are privately owned, and all parties have every right to freely trade with each other and communicate with their audiences. There are a lot of other business strategies that work, but are prohibited by law. "Some things are illegal so this should be illegal too" is not a valid argument. JaniSIr said: I'm pretty sure advertising already has a lawful definition. Words have multiple meanings. Laws vary by jurisdiction. Like if you are promoting a product you are lawfully required to disclose that you are affiliated with the company, as in you work for it, have ownership in it, or got paid by them in whatever manner... Generally get rid of that, unless it's specifically opt-in only. Get rid of what? Affiliate marketing? That is common and many businesses heavily rely on commission-based advertising like that. I've made good money with affiliate marketing too, getting paid to promote others' products every time I referred a sale. If want to watch a youtube video -> I don't care for your scam mobile game ad Want to watch a movie -> stop interrupting it every 10 minutes with 5 minutes of ads. I wanted to listen to music on the radio -> Just play the music without constant ads (I hate the talk shows too) I am specifically looking for a new phone -> Here you go, for a period of time you can tell me about your stupid phone. I'm sure there are some loopholes and corner cases that need to be patched, but the principle is not that complicated. That's the beauty of the market: if you want higher quality things without ads, you can pay for them. Or you can use free or lower-priced things supported by ads. You have the right to choose which products you buy or spend time with, but you do not have the right to dictate how others' businesses are run. |
SmugSatokoDec 12, 3:45 PM
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SmugSatoko said: You're the one who wants to destroy freedom of speech by making advertising illegal...which is the most retarded policy proposal I have ever heard of. You can block everyone on social media. If that doesn't violate their freedom of speech, then neither does a global ad block. SmugSatoko said: How? If you use something like YouTube that has ads, you consented to using it and coming across ads they display. If you don't consent, don't use it. That's more of a coercion really... SmugSatoko said: You agree to their terms when you purchase a company's products or use their services. You don't get to decide whether products that "spy" on people exist. If you don't like those types of products, simply don't buy them. You can't buy a non-smart TV. Because this was allowed for too long, it basically spread everywhere. SmugSatoko said: Lazy analogy. The companies that made those products are not stealing from you. You chose to buy them. By saying that you are fundamentally against ownership of what you paid for. SmugSatoko said: I have told you multiple times now that I had a career in marketing and have owned businesses. *facepalm* I guarantee I know far more than you. Appeal to authority fallacy. SmugSatoko said: You claimed deception is the goal of ads. The burden of proof is on you to substantiate that assertion. You can't seriously tell me you've never seen an ad that was an outright scam. Most youtube sponsors are like that. SmugSatoko said: Good for you. But you do not have a right to dictate how others advertise or whether they can even advertise at all. It's just a matter of law... SmugSatoko said: The reason the free video services are able to be free is because they are supported by ads. If you want to view video content without ads, you can use ad blockers or video services you directly pay for. I already am! What can I do to unsee the billboards on the streets? If I were to watch TV, then I'm even PAYING for the service, and I STILL get ads. Hell, most of the subscription services ended up serving ads in their PAID service. SmugSatoko said: Some do...but literally billions of ads have been useful for people, not wasting their time at all. I (along with countless others) have saved a lot of money and gotten so many useful products and services thanks to ads. Interestingly enough that never happened to me. If I buy something for sale in the supermarket then I was already there to buy stuff, but I wouldn't care to hear about it from YouTube while trying to watch an unrelated video... SmugSatoko said: Just respect the property rights and free speech of others. They don't own my headspace. They should not be advertising to me! SmugSatoko said: Generalizations get you nowhere. The majority of sponsorships are just normal businesses, not scams. Ye? VPN services basically all misrepresent what a VPN actually does. Honey was stealing commissions from people. BetterHelp is supposedly and online therapy service, but they don't actually have the qualifications. There was this overpriced Japanese knife for sale, that had a funny pattern, but otherwise was made of the cheapest stainless steal ever. Mobile game ads in general. Raid Shadow Legends SmugSatoko said: You have failed to explain how advertising itself is morally wrong. If someone starts a business and develops products to sell, there is nothing immoral about them advertising that to others. The websites, magazines, etc. ads are displayed on are privately owned, and all parties have every right to freely trade with each other and communicate with their audiences. Where is MY right to not participate in any of that then? SmugSatoko said: Get rid of what? Affiliate marketing? That is common and many businesses heavily rely on commission-based advertising like that. I've made good money with affiliate marketing too, getting paid to promote others' products every time I referred a sale. All ads in general. SmugSatoko said: That's the beauty of the market: if you want higher quality things without ads, you can pay for them. Or you can use free or lower-priced things supported by ads. You have the right to choose which products you buy or spend time with, but you do not have the right to dictate how others' businesses are run. Nah, adblock. They are putting ads in the paid tiers too. |
JaniSIr said: You can block everyone on social media. If that doesn't violate their freedom of speech, then neither does a global ad block. Utter nonsense. I already explained that freedom of speech is about whether the government imprisons or fines you for your speech. An individual blocking someone on social media has nothing to do with that, and is not remotely comparable to imposing an oppressive global dictatorship that outlaws advertising. (Which would be the most egregious violation of free speech in history, save for the fact that it's a blatant fantasy that would never occur in reality.) You're a lunatic. That's more of a coercion really... No one forced you to visit YouTube. You can't buy a non-smart TV. Because this was allowed for too long, it basically spread everywhere. Yes you can. There are plenty of in-production non-smart TVs, and many more on the used market. I just use a computer monitor for everything. Also, there are other products besides televisions, with non-smart options for nearly all of them. Smart devices merely connect to the internet (and some other devices). That can be very useful, even if you don't like it. By saying that you are fundamentally against ownership of what you paid for. Some advanced devices are not so simple as you having full ownership and control of them. They developed the technology and are licensing it out under certain conditions. Appeal to authority fallacy. No it's not. An appeal to authority fallacy is claiming something is true because an authority figure says it is. What I said is a perfectly relevant fact that shows you are wrong. You claimed I don't know how ads work. I told you I literally had a career doing ads! I would have to know how they work to do that. You only mentioned a basic phenomenon that just about everyone knows, then acted like I somehow didn't know it, without any evidence of that. You can't seriously tell me you've never seen an ad that was an outright scam. You did not merely say that some ads are deceptive or scams. You claimed the goal of ads is deception, making the preposterous suggestion that all ads are deceptive. Most youtube sponsors are like that. No, they are not. It's just a matter of law... Spoken like a true wannabe dictator. I already am! What can I do to unsee the billboards on the streets? You know you cannot unsee things per se. But if you don't want to see billboards, there are areas without them. It's funny that you're so offended by their existence. If I were to watch TV, then I'm even PAYING for the service, and I STILL get ads. Those programs would not exist without ads. I keep telling you that. Hell, most of the subscription services ended up serving ads in their PAID service. If you insist upon an ad-free experience, there are services that have that. Interestingly enough that never happened to me. You're seriously telling me that an ad has never benefited you in your entire life? I don't believe it. Have you ever bought anything from the used market? Like using eBay or classified ad sites? People advertise their used items. And you suppposedly don't think they should be allowed to. lmao Have you ever used a coupon or bought something during a sales promotion to save money? Those things are advertised. They're literally ads to promote the products. If I buy something for sale in the supermarket then I was already there to buy stuff, Everything in the store, along with the store itself, was brought about by advertising, on so many levels. but I wouldn't care to hear about it from YouTube while trying to watch an unrelated video... The video likely would not exist if not for advertising. They don't own my headspace. They should not be advertising to me! You don't own their property and they can advertise on it if they wish! Ye? VPN services basically all misrepresent what a VPN actually does. Honey was stealing commissions from people. BetterHelp is supposedly and online therapy service, but they don't actually have the qualifications. There was this overpriced Japanese knife for sale, that had a funny pattern, but otherwise was made of the cheapest stainless steal ever. Mobile game ads in general. Raid Shadow Legends You listed a few random things, but that does not prove the majority of YouTube sponsorships are scams. You didn't even explain how some of those things are scams. Where is MY right to not participate in any of that then? You have a right to withdraw and not use any of these things. You do not have the right to dictate...bah! I've already said it repeatedly, dude. All ads in general. Never gonna happen. Nah, adblock. They are putting ads in the paid tiers too. You're ignoring the entire point I made, as usual... |
SmugSatokoDec 12, 5:05 PM
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SmugSatoko said: Utter nonsense. I already explained that freedom of speech is about whether the government imprisons or fines you for your speech. An individual blocking someone on social media has nothing to do with that, and is not remotely comparable to imposing an oppressive global dictatorship that outlaws advertising. (Which would be the most egregious violation of free speech in history, save for the fact that it's a blatant fantasy that would never occur in reality.) You're a lunatic. If that's your argument, freedom of speech also protects breaking and entering into your house as long as I shout something stupid really loudly... You can say what you want, but you can't force people to listen to you. SmugSatoko said: Some advanced devices are not so simple as you having full ownership and control of them. They developed the technology and are licensing it out under certain conditions. It IS that simple. Furthermore schematics and spare parts should be available for any electronic device. Intellectual properly laws really just make everything worse. SmugSatoko said: You know you cannot unsee things per se. But if you don't want to see billboards, there are areas without them. It's funny that you're so offended by their existence. Any and all anti-consumer practice will spread if left alone, and the later you stop it, the harder it will be. SmugSatoko said: You're seriously telling me that an ad has never benefited you in your entire life? I don't believe it. Have you ever bought anything from the used market? Like using eBay or classified ad sites? People advertise their used items. And you suppposedly don't think they should be allowed to. lmao Have you ever used a coupon or bought something during a sales promotion to save money? Those things are advertised. They're literally ads to promote the products. I block all ads where I can. I am NOT against putting out information for your product to be searchable. I even given you examples. If I am already in the store, then I will check out what they have, but I don't want to hear about it during a movie. SmugSatoko said: The video likely would not exist if not for advertising. Most of social media is slop anyway, if you could throw like pennies at the good videos, you would pay them more than like 100 ads, those really pay very little... SmugSatoko said: You listed a few random things, but that does not prove the majority of YouTube sponsorships are scams. You didn't even explain how some of those things are scams. Are you living under a rock to not know why mobile game ads are a scam? They are literally making a random ad for a game, figure out which gets them the most clicks (like those ads where you shoot barells with guns in them), and then implement some basic version of it to technically slip under false advertising laws, and then try to get you to play their hyper predatory overly monetized slop city management slop. |
JaniSIr said: If that's your argument, freedom of speech also protects breaking and entering into your house as long as I shout something stupid really loudly... No, breaking and entering into a home is not protected free speech. It has nothing to do with it and is a separate type of crime. How do you not know this? You can say what you want, but you can't force people to listen to you. And you can't force people to not be able to advertise, especially on platforms they own. Even if someone was lucky enough to pull off something so despotic as outlawing advertising, they would only be slaughtered by the masses in rebellion. It IS that simple. Then prove it. Just claiming something doesn't count for anything. Furthermore schematics and spare parts should be available for any electronic device. You don't get to decide that; the market does. Spare parts usually are available and schematics are easily shared online, anyway. Intellectual properly laws really just make everything worse. Property rights are the bedrock of modern civilization. Without IP, countless businesses, artists, etc. would not be able to profit from their hard work. And again, you are just claiming things without supporting anything you say with proof. Any and all anti-consumer practice will spread if left alone, and the later you stop it, the harder it will be. Now you're just throwing around more buzzwords without making any meaningful points. As if we're supposed to shudder at the thought of big, bad "anti-consumer practices" and accept your proposal to fine or imprison anyone who dares to advertise things. So ridiculous... I block all ads where I can. I am NOT against putting out information for your product to be searchable. I even given you examples. If I am already in the store, then I will check out what they have, but I don't want to hear about it during a movie. I couldn't care less what you want. I'm just here to tell you that advertising will never be illegal in any civilized nation. Most of social media is slop anyway, That may be true, but it is irrelevant to the discussion. if you could throw like pennies at the good videos, you would pay them more than like 100 ads, those really pay very little... Some ads pay highly...especially certain sponsorships. Some popular creators have made over a million dollars from a single sponsored video. Are you living under a rock to not know why mobile game ads are a scam? They are literally making a random ad for a game, figure out which gets them the most clicks (like those ads where you shoot barells with guns in them), and then implement some basic version of it to technically slip under false advertising laws, and then try to get you to play their hyper predatory overly monetized slop city management slop. None of what you (vaguely) described is a scam. I doubt you know the meaning of the word. Not only did you fail to demonstrate that the majority of YouTube sponsorships are scams, but you couldn't even handle the example you chose. By the way, small businesses tend to do direct marketing. (Including opt-in email newsletters and targeted banner ads.) It's mostly the big businesses with huge budgets that do long-term large-scale "brand" marketing that focuses on repeated exposure. Small businesses can't afford that, so they focus on direct results, sometimes within hours. (So your claim that all ads work by frequently repeated exposure or whatever is obviously false.) On my best day, I spent under $200 on banner ads and profited over $3K. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_marketing |
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SmugSatoko said:
You're the one who wants to destroy freedom of speech by making advertising illegal...which is the most retarded policy proposal I have ever heard of.
You're the one who wants to destroy freedom of speech by making advertising illegal...which is the most retarded policy proposal I have ever heard of.
You can block everyone on social media. If that doesn't violate their freedom of speech, then neither does a global ad block.
SmugSatoko said:
How? If you use something like YouTube that has ads, you consented to using it and coming across ads they display. If you don't consent, don't use it.
How? If you use something like YouTube that has ads, you consented to using it and coming across ads they display. If you don't consent, don't use it.
That's more of a coercion really...
SmugSatoko said:
You agree to their terms when you purchase a company's products or use their services. You don't get to decide whether products that "spy" on people exist. If you don't like those types of products, simply don't buy them.
You agree to their terms when you purchase a company's products or use their services. You don't get to decide whether products that "spy" on people exist. If you don't like those types of products, simply don't buy them.
You can't buy a non-smart TV. Because this was allowed for too long, it basically spread everywhere.
SmugSatoko said:
Lazy analogy. The companies that made those products are not stealing from you. You chose to buy them.
Lazy analogy. The companies that made those products are not stealing from you. You chose to buy them.
By saying that you are fundamentally against ownership of what you paid for.
SmugSatoko said:
I have told you multiple times now that I had a career in marketing and have owned businesses. *facepalm* I guarantee I know far more than you.
I have told you multiple times now that I had a career in marketing and have owned businesses. *facepalm* I guarantee I know far more than you.
Appeal to authority fallacy.
SmugSatoko said:
You claimed deception is the goal of ads. The burden of proof is on you to substantiate that assertion.
You claimed deception is the goal of ads. The burden of proof is on you to substantiate that assertion.
You can't seriously tell me you've never seen an ad that was an outright scam.
Most youtube sponsors are like that.
SmugSatoko said:
Good for you. But you do not have a right to dictate how others advertise or whether they can even advertise at all.
Good for you. But you do not have a right to dictate how others advertise or whether they can even advertise at all.
It's just a matter of law...
SmugSatoko said:
The reason the free video services are able to be free is because they are supported by ads. If you want to view video content without ads, you can use ad blockers or video services you directly pay for.
The reason the free video services are able to be free is because they are supported by ads. If you want to view video content without ads, you can use ad blockers or video services you directly pay for.
I already am!
What can I do to unsee the billboards on the streets?
If I were to watch TV, then I'm even PAYING for the service, and I STILL get ads.
Hell, most of the subscription services ended up serving ads in their PAID service.
SmugSatoko said:
Some do...but literally billions of ads have been useful for people, not wasting their time at all.
I (along with countless others) have saved a lot of money and gotten so many useful products and services thanks to ads.
Some do...but literally billions of ads have been useful for people, not wasting their time at all.
I (along with countless others) have saved a lot of money and gotten so many useful products and services thanks to ads.
Interestingly enough that never happened to me.
If I buy something for sale in the supermarket then I was already there to buy stuff, but I wouldn't care to hear about it from YouTube while trying to watch an unrelated video...
SmugSatoko said:
Just respect the property rights and free speech of others.
Just respect the property rights and free speech of others.
They don't own my headspace. They should not be advertising to me!
SmugSatoko said:
Generalizations get you nowhere. The majority of sponsorships are just normal businesses, not scams.
Generalizations get you nowhere. The majority of sponsorships are just normal businesses, not scams.
Ye?
VPN services basically all misrepresent what a VPN actually does.
Honey was stealing commissions from people.
BetterHelp is supposedly and online therapy service, but they don't actually have the qualifications.
There was this overpriced Japanese knife for sale, that had a funny pattern, but otherwise was made of the cheapest stainless steal ever.
Mobile game ads in general.
Raid Shadow Legends
SmugSatoko said:
You have failed to explain how advertising itself is morally wrong. If someone starts a business and develops products to sell, there is nothing immoral about them advertising that to others. The websites, magazines, etc. ads are displayed on are privately owned, and all parties have every right to freely trade with each other and communicate with their audiences.
You have failed to explain how advertising itself is morally wrong. If someone starts a business and develops products to sell, there is nothing immoral about them advertising that to others. The websites, magazines, etc. ads are displayed on are privately owned, and all parties have every right to freely trade with each other and communicate with their audiences.
Where is MY right to not participate in any of that then?
SmugSatoko said:
Get rid of what? Affiliate marketing? That is common and many businesses heavily rely on commission-based advertising like that. I've made good money with affiliate marketing too, getting paid to promote others' products every time I referred a sale.
Get rid of what? Affiliate marketing? That is common and many businesses heavily rely on commission-based advertising like that. I've made good money with affiliate marketing too, getting paid to promote others' products every time I referred a sale.
All ads in general.
SmugSatoko said:
That's the beauty of the market: if you want higher quality things without ads, you can pay for them. Or you can use free or lower-priced things supported by ads. You have the right to choose which products you buy or spend time with, but you do not have the right to dictate how others' businesses are run.
That's the beauty of the market: if you want higher quality things without ads, you can pay for them. Or you can use free or lower-priced things supported by ads. You have the right to choose which products you buy or spend time with, but you do not have the right to dictate how others' businesses are run.
Nah, adblock. They are putting ads in the paid tiers too.
JaniSIr said: You can block everyone on social media. If that doesn't violate their freedom of speech, then neither does a global ad block. The government can't block people on social media. I mean technically it can, but it's a violation of free speech. People sue over that. |
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