Drawler said: Independent of what you think of it, we all know DBZ is one of the most popular anime ever made, even people that are not anime fans know about it, Dragon Ball Super even broke Crunchyroll during its last episodes due to massive traffic, so why in the most popular ranking is only at 82?? Under so many other anime that aren't as popular and known as it? Shouldn't it be among the top 20 at the least?? MAL stats sometimes don't make much sense... Because more people saw other shows? You gotta realize than not eveyone who watches anime comes on MAL. I'd say those who only watch DBZ don't come here at all. Personally? Saw and read it when I was a child, and I'm too lazy to rewatch/reread it and close my eyes over the various racist, homophobic or mysogynist moments, so it's gonna stay out of my list. edit: ^ exactly |
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| a show can be popular and disliked at the same time. I personally don't think high of DBZ not because of the nature of the show but because of how it fell victim to the shonen anime plague known as stretching it to death until there's barely any material in an episode. replayed fight scenes, 5 minute recaps, son goku arriving for 30 episodes, enemies staring eachother for long, long minutes, powering up for half an episode. that kind of stuff heavily retracts from the show's overall performance. |
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| I have DBZ on my favourites list but I've rated it an 8 |
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| Mal popularity ranking doesn't matter..... New shows like my hero academy, one punch man is more popular on mal And dragon ball is old show In imdb dragon ball is more popular than mal |
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Drawler said: Huguin said: I already thought about it once, I think many people who saw dragon ball, saw it when they were children or teenagers, ending up that they don't remember so much, and they don't put it on the list, even having seen it before. In addition, it may be that many people who saw dragon ball, do not have an account here. But the same could be said for example about Naruto, another casual juggernaut among kids/teens, and Naruto is among the top 10... Surely you do realize there's like 1 decade of difference between both? MAL did not exist in the 90s, and as a result older shows did not benefit from their hype here. MAL is just a representation of its own population, not of all anime watchers. Force every french and italian in his 40s to join and the current top 10 gets pulverized by oldies, because France and Italy are watching anime since the 70s. |
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Drawler said: Ghemotoc said: Surely you do realize there's like 1 decade of difference between both? MAL did not exist in the 90s, and as a result older shows did not benefit from their hype here. MAL is just a representation of its own population, not of all anime watchers. Force every french and italian in his 40s to join and the current top 10 gets pulverized by oldies, because France and Italy are watching anime since the 70s. Yeah but DBZ is not just any oldie, it's literally the most famous oldie of all time, that has been popular among every single young generation since it first aired, the 2000 kids that were watching Naruto were watching DBZ too, the same for the 2010 ones that are watching My Hero Academia... it's a title with an enormous staying power in time, so you would expect to see it way more higher in this site despite its relatively young userbase... Well, think of it like this: Do you think more people IRL know about the Mario video games, or some random gaming big name these days like Dark Souls? Now go into a gaming community, and ask about Mario and Dark Souls. I guarantee you nobody gives a fuck about Mario and most people will tell you they don't want to touch it. Wether they're right or not doesn't change much to the facts. Basically, younglings watch Naruto, and older watchers switched to something else long before MAL happened. |
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| mal =/= entire anime community. mal is just a site used to list anime and do other things. not everyone uses mal. |
Ghemotoc said: I'd say those who only watch DBZ don't come here at all. Amusingly accurate. It is what is, the same goes for Pokemon or Death Note, AoT, even Naruto to a certain degree. |
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| It's popularity ranking is #82.It means it's under 100.Don't you think it's pretty better ranking. Or even if you're not satisfied then just watch it 1.5 million times to make it #1. |
Armados said: Because its not really good. Its a great anime to let children be hyped about and enjoy a mindless action series, but, as they grow older and figure out there was more or less no plot and everything is just using the same repetitive formula (looking at you Dragon Ball Super), the series just falls flat. Also, popularity != quality. A simple series that doesn't require thinking would most of the time be far more popular than a one that does, simply because it appeals to more people. Its very apparent in the gaming industry, and it obviously is apparent in the anime/manga industry aswell. It still doesn't make it a better product overall. Popularity =quality????????,,,,, |
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| Because most dbz fans are casuals who do not have a mal. Same could be said of Pokemon. |
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| Because younger/newer viewers don't watch it because of its long duration, slow pacing and dated animation. There's also kai so why would they watch the original? |
| If every single Hunan on the earth would have MAL account and update it, DBZ would easily be the most popular anime ever. |
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| Because 90% of DBZ's fanbase only cares about DBZ and about 2 or 3 other anime, so naturally they are not going to be interested in having a MAL account or an anime listing account anywhere else. But don't worry, if every human being that has watched at least 1 anime in his life created an account here, I'd put my hands on fire that DBZ would indeed show up in the top 5 (the same goes for Pokemon, the other title whose actual popularity is vastly underrepresented here). |
| People don't bother putting up old popular shows they've watched before joining MAL on their profile for whatever reason. My guess is that it's "embarrassing" or not considered "legit" anime. |
Opticflash said: People don't bother putting up old popular shows they've watched before joining MAL on their profile for whatever reason. My guess is that it's "embarrassing" or not considered "legit" anime. Where did you get this from lol, I've seen people get clowned because they didn't have any old anime on their list |
| Most People who watched it on TV consider DBZ more a cartoon than a anime tbh, and the anime ends in Cell arc, after it Dragon Ball sucks. |
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PopeAyaya said: Most People who watched it on TV consider DBZ more a cartoon than a anime tbh, and the anime ends in Cell arc, after it Dragon Ball sucks. Quoting Myself, my father, my mother, some of my uncles and cousins, my grandfather and some other parents watched Dragon Ball Z on TV but they don't even know the difference between anime and cartoon. |
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SoldierDream said: Because 90% of DBZ's fanbase only cares about DBZ and about 2 or 3 other anime, so naturally they are not going to be interested in having a MAL account or an anime listing account anywhere else. But don't worry, if every human being that has watched at least 1 anime in his life created an account here, I'd put my hands on fire that DBZ would indeed show up in the top 5 (the same goes for Pokemon, the other title whose actual popularity is vastly underrepresented here). Yep, Naruto and One Piece as well. When I talk about anime with people my age in my social circles those are the ones mentioned when you bring up anime. For most it was a passing fad of their childhood, a relic of the past like Dora or Blues Clues. Also look at Japanese anime fans, the big 3 are still big for them and titles like Steins Gate are unheard of. |
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| "Why is Dragon Ball Z so low in the popularity ranking?" Because it's old...contemporary fans don't watch/like old stuff. Yeah, it was highly influential but nobody cares about anime history nowadays. Truth to be told despite being opened to retro titles I don't like it too. Also I have zero nostalgia for it, since it was available to me later on. |
alshu said: "Why is Dragon Ball Z so low in the popularity ranking?" Because it's old...contemporary fans don't watch/like old stuff. Yeah, it was highly influential but nobody cares about anime history nowadays. Truth to be told despite being opened to retro titles I don't like it too. Also I have zero nostalgia for it, since it was available to me later on. Not entirely true, otherwise titles as NGE and Bebop wouldn't be so high in the popularity ranking as well. My guess is that in reality the contemporary fan doesn't want to engage in long commitments, so any title over 75 episodes (using Monster as a benchmark since that one they do care about) won't be at the top of their watching priorities, if any. |
Zlyiond said: It's the same thing with Pokemon. People already know DBZ, so it becomes more of a back thought compared to other shows. Another thing you have take in consideration is that DBZ is really old. If it was airing not too long ago, I can assure that it would be much popular than it is right now. Yeah, it also says a lot that along only Akira and Totoro, DB/DBZ is the only pre 1990 anime over 500k members in the site. |
| new people prefer to watch the new battle shonen anime and dbz is too long and looks too weird |
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SoldierDream said: Not entirely true, otherwise titles as NGE and Bebop wouldn't be so high in the popularity ranking as well. 1. Dragon Ball is from 1986, Neon Genesis Evangelion is from 1995, Cowboy Bebop is from 1998...in other words "not as old yet but soon". 2. Compare the visuals from Toei, Gainax and Sunrise...that counts for something I guess. 3. Actually I think Eva will stay popular longer being the over-the-top teen melodrama tearjerker that it is...people like and remember melodramas. Plus the movies keep the franchise relatively hot. SoldierDream said: My guess is that in reality the contemporary fan doesn't want to engage in long commitments, so any title over 75 episodes (using Monster as a benchmark since that one they do care about) won't be at the top of their watching priorities, if any. It can be a factor...but there is also binge watchers plus some modern shows can accumulate huge number of episodes over time. Not to mention DB is way behind champions like Naruto, One Piece and Detective Conan. |
Drawler said: Independent of what you think of it You answered the question already. Because it is independent from what you think of it. Obviously, it's low because it's not that good. Deal with it. |
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Huguin said: I already thought about it once, I think many people who saw dragon ball, saw it when they were children or teenagers, ending up that they don't remember so much, and they don't put it on the list, even having seen it before. In addition, it may be that many people who saw dragon ball, do not have an account here. I can vouch for this notion. I know i watched a ton of DBZ as a kid in the early '00s but, at this point as an adult, i have no idea how many episodes i actually watched and i certainly don't see myself revisiting it anytime in the near future (especially not after experiencing the glorious TFS DBZA series). Therefore, DBZ is not on my list at all. As far as MAL's database knows, i might as well have never heard of it before; and i'm sure my case isn't the only one here. |
| If you think Dragon Ball Z looks off, gander at Sailor Moon. But really.... not everyone is me and willing to rewatch They probably saw some random eps as a kid |
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Nemo_Niemand said: Drawler said: Independent of what you think of it You answered the question already. Because it is independent from what you think of it. Obviously, it's low because it's not that good. Deal with it. So according to you, popular == good, it's literally what you're saying here. We'd have to consider Mirai Nikki and SAO as masterpieces going by your definitions, same as the not so popular Legend of the Galactic Heroes as crap. |
| Dragan ball z or super has more casual anime fans than hardcore anime fans. Casual anime fans rarely make mal account. (Even, I myself has made a Mal account after so many years). Dragon ball z is a very old anime, not many includes that in their list this is specially true in case of newer accounts. It only means dragon ball z is not popular among Mal user (Its not a account for everyone who watches anime) |
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| i watched dbz (not the whole thing but whatever episode was airing on the tv) as a kid and i didn't add it to my list. dbz is so low in popularity rankings becoz of me. i take full responsibility for that. |
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| Bc it really is mediocre if you're willing to put down those nostalgia goggles? I like the show and Vegeta (best Vegeta is Majin Vegeta and not that abomination that he is in Super) is amongst my fav characters but objectively it's just not well made as a show. But is it enjoyable? Yes it is IMO, more so than Mediocre no Yaiba despite the latter having higher production value. A few common glaring issues with DBZ: there's no sadness when anyone dies bc they can all get resurrected or exist in some other planes, they're not gone forever thus no tension. For an action show, the action is not well animated and a fight can last dozens of eps. It's an endless powerup, a common issue found in most battle shounen, not exclusive to DBZ in which all battles are based on strength, Goku gets beat go train come back beat villain then another stronger villain shows up to beat Goku for him to go train again to make a comeback, ad nauseam ad infinitum |
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| dragonball is much more popular with casual audiences that arent on mal |
SoldierDream said: Nemo_Niemand said: You answered the question already. Because it is independent from what you think of it. Obviously, it's low because it's not that good. Deal with it. So according to you, popular == good, it's literally what you're saying here. We'd have to consider Mirai Nikki and SAO as masterpieces going by your definitions, same as the not so popular Legend of the Galactic Heroes as crap. Was it my bad English or you got me a bit wrong? Fanboy whines about his favorite show's popularity being low (not justly btw, it's still in top 100. It doesn't need to be top 1 just because a random guy loves it to the death). And I just ironically reply that it's because that show probably sucks. Yes, modern fans mostly consider SAO and BNHA masterpieces (yuck) and LOGH a crap. That's the sad fact. Anyway, popularity is not an important merit and worrying about that is dumb. You know, there is a proverb: "If millions of flies love shit, then it might be tasty indeed". Being popular doesn't make bad shows good, that only means that they are praised among aforementioned "flies". "We live in a society" and all. |
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malinoski554 said: Nemo_Niemand said: Was it my bad English or you got me a bit wrong? Fanboy whines about his favorite show's popularity being low (not justly btw). And I just ironically reply that it's because that show probably sucks. Yes, modern fans mostly consider SAO and BNHA masterpieces (yuck) and LOGH a crap. That's the sad fact. Anyway, popularity is not an important merit and worrying about that is dumb. You know, there is a proverb: "If millions of flies love shit, then it might be tasty indeed". Being popular doesn't make bad shows good, that only means that they are praised among aforementioned "flies". "We live in a society" and all. That's totally not true. Show me one modern fan that thinks of SAO as a masterpiece, and not a guilty pleasure, and calls older shows like LOGH craps. Jokes aside, I've seen guys like this, and more than just one or two. Damn zoomers have no dignity. |
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