| It's Osamu Tezuka's fault. Quality is commensurate with budget. Anime is a product almost no one in Japan wants and therefore is made on no budget and makes it up with figure sales and merchandise. If you're going to watch anime, get used to it. |
| Ahh, a Rick and Morty fan, we are not worthy of your presence. Serious answer would be pointing out that there's certain things that bring animation down such as the meeting of deadlines, compensating for money shots, low budgets, etc. Most of the time i'm doing a 25/75 when it comes to reading subtitles and watching the show itself so I miss a lot of the frames that you speak of lol. |
| I guess becuse rick and morty is a pretty big show with a much larger bugged and more time then the average anime. The positive examples you mentioned are all either pretty big shows or movies. Ofc the average show made by a smaller studio can't compare. But ofc there are exceptions when the animation just looks shit even tho they have a high budget etc. |
| Ricky and morty is way easier to animate cause of the simple designs Anw there r still a lot of anime with good animation like maid dragon,darling in the franxx,masamune kun no revange ,magalo box .... Just stop watching those isekai harwm anime with a 5$ budget |
| Most underated anime on mal: https://myanimelist.net/anime/4651/Yume_no_Crayon_Oukoku?q=Yume%20ni%20crayon |
| Rick and Morty's artstyle is much simpler, and truthfully, a lot of people find it ugly. Anime tends to focus on having good 'art' vs good 'animation' especially because its easier to fit in a low budget while making the end product look good. |
| I watch western cartoons too. I don't find their designs ugly. I do find Rick and Morty ugly though. I think the character designs are bad. Anyway if I found Rick and Morty's story interesting I would've powered through bad designs (I do that in a lot of anime too) but I don't. Anime doesn't have the same art. There are a lot of different ways people in the industry design character. There are certain shared traits among a lot of anime (big eyes being one of the most obvious), but there's a lot of shared style traits in western animation too. |
| Also yes 'the same simple design with smooth animation takes many days to make'... You're right. It's still WAY WAY easier to animate that design than a complicated design. Take how long it takes to animate a smooth simple design and multiply that by 40 when it comes to the complicated designs you see in anime. |
| Get used to it. I don't think we've contribute enough to an extend that we deserve better animation. |
Jhon_Bacon said: i didn't say it is easy i said it is more easy cause in the anime case u will have to draw the same complex design iver and over again but in ricky and morty's cae the designs are way more simplistic which mean it is easier to draw their frames and there are less details to animateAkerakai said: Ricky and morty is way easier to animate cause of the simple designs Anw there r still a lot of anime with good animation like maid dragon,darling in the franxx,masamune kun no revange ,magalo box .... Just stop watching those isekai harwm anime with a 5$ budget Do you even made a animation video before. The same simple design with smooth animation takes many days to make. |
| Most underated anime on mal: https://myanimelist.net/anime/4651/Yume_no_Crayon_Oukoku?q=Yume%20ni%20crayon |
| @Jhon_Bacon Then you have a very limited idea of what 'different art' is. The art varies a lot. I bet you think all three of these shows have the 'same' art despite being very different in style. They all have a similarity - that is, they do have big eyes. But western cartoons also have certain tendencies as well If you want some Very Very different art or phrased your subject as 'looking for radically different artstyles' you might find people giving you more options. If you're looking for something similar to Ping Pong, Tekkon Kinkreet is very different and actually very well animated. |
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| @Jhon_Bacon How does my argument not apply to Your Name and Silent Voice? Yes, those were complicated designs to animate? HUGE amounts of money went into making those movies, so they're well animated. |
| One of the main reasons why I prefer anime over cartoons is because they look so much better. I find most cartoons ugly as hell. Yes, the animation tends to be smoother, but I take far superior art over slightly smoother animation. I think the far majority of anime I've watched looks much better than Rick and Morty. |
| Is it me or are Rick and Morty fans the most unbearable of people? |
| I dunno, I always thought that most anime has far better quality animation than most American cartoons and such. And more than half of the anime I've seen has quite nice animation. I guess you could watch a ton of more anime to see that there's ample quality out there. |
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| People want beautiful animation without wanting to pay for it. Anime spends a lot of time on the effects to make up for the rest of the quality, unfortunately. As far as I'm aware, a lot of their work is still traditional, which takes a LOT of time vs in the west everything is pretty much all done on the computer now. ex. rick and morty uses toon boom, a program where they already have the builds/rigs to move around and don't have to painstakingly finesse every frame like with traditional. Another reason why (anime) movies tend to have better animation, they've got a bigger budget for it. |
| Because this way we can get more anime per season. |
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GamerUnglued said: Ok, so this has everything to do with scheduling. Creating an anime takes time and talent, but with so many anime coming each season, with many studios producing more than one anime at a time and with even more next season, they spread their talent thin across numerous productions and often have to rush, take shortcuts, or outsource their work. There's a misconception that the reason anime looks bad is because of a low budget. That's almost never the case, as most anime receive around the same amount of money (including all of the shows you mentioned). Violet Evergarden was in production for over 2 years, and in 2017 all they made was Maid Dragon, maybe with some work on the Chuunibyou film, so the talented staff at Kyoto Animation had tons of time to put immense detail into everything. It's budget was average, which is true for every show from the studio. The vast majority of TV anime don't have that luxury, meaning they have to take a lot of short cuts and skimp on some details in order to get the episode out on time. Kyoto Animation has a very different business model from every other studio (they only use a small team of in-house staff and don't outsource, own the rights to the source material of the shows they produce, pay their animators on salary instead of commission, mostly hire animators from their own training school, and only produce a few anime each year allowing for healthy schedules). Kyoto Animation took a huge risk to be able to sustain themselves that way, and the reason other studios don't is because its a difficult model to keep up. It's just an unfortunate part of anime production that most studios aren't as lucky. That being said, this year had a bunch of really fantastic looking anime so far, even outside of what you mentioned, both for animation and background art: A Place Further than the Universe, After the Rain, Slow Start, Yuru Camp, Hakumei and Mikochi, Hinamatsuri, Comic Girls, Hugtto Precure, Uma Musume, Darling in the Franxx, Hisone and Masotan, Megalo Box, and more. Thanks for this comment! It was really interesting to read! I don't know how accurate it is, but it seems legit. |
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| More budget = Better animation More time = Better animation And they usually don't have none of them. |
| Honestly having hyper-detailed backgrounds and silky smooth movements doesn't mean shit, so much sparkle doesn't make something without substance better. But yes, if you notice that anime have certain mundane scenes or backgrounds that look jarring and all weird, it's because they were probably rushing for a deadline and didn't have enough staff to meet it. After spending time on the important scenes, they can't be bothered to fix the shitty derp faces in the background that lasts for like 3 seconds. It's definitely a problem, but the industry doesn't have a lot to work with and it isn't like most people watching anime mind. Rick and Morty's animation is smooth, but there just isn't as much details to animate. I'll have to admit that I'm not a fan of the art style, but the smoothness of the animation is something I do appreciate. Much better than a lot of other cartoons whether the characters' movement are all bouncy and jumpy. |
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Silent voice (best),Your Name , Violet evergarden(Best),MHA are some anime with beautiful animation. And lets name some craps https://myanimelist.net/anime/35756/Comic_Girls?q=Comic%20Gr This actually have a better animation than what you mentioned. I haven't seen MHA, a lot of users didn't really like the story of it but I would say that if it's about art, they'll probably think it's good. |
| You don't seem to get how the animation in the anime industry works. 1.Animation in the anime industry is a lot different from western animation, as most of the frames are still drawn by the animators, and aren't taken from a spreadsheet of finished character designs like in the west. 1.1.Western animation is less detailed and uses vector based animation, while Anime uses traditional animation, which takes much more time to animate properly. 2.The time schedules of Anime are much tighter than western animation, as the quality of work they have to put into everything takes more time, and isn't as easy to create as vector based animations (Like Rick and Morty, the Simpsons, Family Guy etc.) 3.The reason why some shows have create animation (Like the shows you mentioned) Is that the creators of the show started creating the show, months before it actually aired. This is evident in Violet Evergarden, where the creator and director of the anime stated that when the show started airing, they only needed to animated 1 or 2 episodes to be finished with the show, while other shows (Like Shokugeki no Souma) start being animated only weeks before the actual show starts, giving them less time to put into every frame of animation. These are just a few points. Do some research mate, becaue you don't sound educated about animation at all. |
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| if you think food porn, gintama and tokyo ghoul have the worst animation then you must be very very new to anime this post is not just sad |
| Can other Rick and Morty fans pls stop embarrassing me? Is this too much to ask? |
Jhon_Bacon said: kisb said: if you think food porn, gintama and tokyo ghoul have the worst animation then you must be very very new to anime this post is not just sad Dude i have been talking about latest season of anime. I know you are a huge fan of gintama (I am too ) But that doesn't mean i can't criticize it for its bad animation. And i didn't said they are worst just some examples. Well you have done so and i hope you are satisfied people have already given you explanation as to why that is. western "cartoon" and anime have different techniques to animating so money, studio, amount of movement, length of show... etc contribute Movies almost always have a bigger budget compared to TV series and the reasons keep going and going but seriously if you find that level of animation bad enough to complain about then it just makes it sad because in my eyes thats like average. you have not yet experienced a nauseating product from Toei animation |
| I think it has to do with the budget , anime like Your Name and A Silent Voice are movies , so producers can have a bigger budget to make a better animation. Anime that are aired weekly such as Gintama , One Piece or DBS are often produced with a smaller budget in a shorter period of time. As for the western animation series you mentioned , well , they have a bigger budget as well and they spend a lot time making it compared to anime production , remember they air 10-12 episodes a year whereas an anime can reach the 40 episodes . |
| cus they dont bother to effort in it, youll just watch it on gogoanime anyways |
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Jhon_Bacon said: I know anime has a good story telling and other but the animation in most of the anime is shit. Silent voice (best),Your Name , Violet evergarden(Best),MHA are some anime with beautiful animation. And lets name some craps: Food porn: I watched a episode which was just a slideshow with 2 frame mouth animation. Gintama: Even though i like gintama i would be honest that 2018 season animation was shit compared to 2011. Tokyo Ghoul REeeeeeeee : Animation What the fuck is that? BTW i recently watched rick and morty and the animation was smooth why cant anime be like that ?????? It lacks quality over quantity. Theres alot of anime made but mostly its come with budget, in the producer mind they'll think about the loss and gain or you could say profit the most compared the quality . And you cant really blame them either, Anime is pretty much nothing in japanese, its just "overglorified japanese animation or cartoon(western)) that made it internationally for the past few years, With alot of saturation in genre producer got confused which one to adapt properly. for example of those tittle you mentioned they're actually doing fine by "current" standard but still lacking in technical aspect which is animation. The studio had too much to work on almost every season, you can see Pierrot taking multi anime each season especially Shouenn like Black Clover, J.C otherwise is similiar but they tend to have multiple like 2-3 anime each season, while Gintama.. i dont know, i didnt watch it. I know animation play its part in an Anime well becaise its an "Animate" but you cant really change how the industry works unless you want them to follow like Rick and Morty which obviously funded with lots of budget and had alot of fans. It gain profit differently compared anime because majority of anime airs like at midnight? and they gain profit mostly from selling BD,merchandise or such, barely from licensing. If you really wanted anime to have such an animation you need to know that - There would be like less than 20 even 10 anime each season. - The adapted tittle will likely to be a sequel of popular anime thats well known or received and based on ratings/technical quality of the source not trending stuff like isekaifags/mmo/rpg/harem someshit like that because majority of this kind of genre will have your explained budget animation. - It'll likely to be aired globally or funded not just from japan producers. (netflix and stuff) etc idk you explain how. |
| Maybe you're too picky with animation? I hardly saw animes who have totally annoying animation. |
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| Because Rick and Morty has the financial backing of every 12-18 year old who think they're smarter than they are so they can spend more on animation |
glassknuckles said: It's Osamu Tezuka's fault. Quality is commensurate with budget. Anime is a product almost no one in Japan wants and therefore is made on no budget and makes it up with figure sales and merchandise. If you're going to watch anime, get used to it. The first post already had all the answers but ofc it got ignored and instead this turned into a thread where weebs randomly shit on Rick and Morty because it's western and therefore the enemy. Sasuga MAL, the ignorance of your forum users never diminishes. Tho to be fair it's probably OPs fault and this thread probably bait. Only explanation for him ignoring the only real relevant answer(s) and instead memeing about Rick and Morty and only replying to posts who talk about that. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Well just one answer most animes nowadays had crap animation bcoz of studio downsizing or just rushed/botched animation frames |
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| Sorry to say but I hate people like you the most. If you have problem don't watch it stay happy watching your " Rick and Morty". |
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| Lol people really hate rick and morty for some reason, huh? I don't think I've seen that much random aggression towards a single show since, idk, Shinsekai Yori episode 8. Tell me MAL, did Rick and Morty touch your mothers or how did it become public enemy number one? Is it just because it's a non-japanese animation that a lot of people like so weebs feel threatened because in their worldview nothing non-japanese can ever be worthwile? The hatred is so strong, it has to be some irrational reason. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
dontcome said: Pullman said: Lol people really hate rick and morty for some reason, huh? I don't think I've seen that much random aggression towards a single show since, idk, Shinsekai Yori episode 8. Tell me MAL, did Rick and Morty touch your mothers or how did it become public enemy number one? Is it just because it's a non-japanese animation that a lot of people like so weebs feel threatened because in their worldview nothing non-japanese can ever be worthwile? The hatred is so strong, it has to be some irrational reason. Huh, never thought about it like that. I always thought I didn't like Rick & Morty because it's a preachy, puddle-deep show for self-impressed middling intellects with a derivative, noodle arm art style. But turns out I'm actually "threatened" by it because it's non-Japanese, despite the majority of the media I consume being non-Japanese. Learn something new every day. Nice edit my friend and also I recommend you to google what a question mark means, because it does not mean a statement. But considering how yo do nothing but insult the fans of the show with your attempts at criticism, I'm still gonna go with 'irrational' here. Someone must have hurt you, otherwise that much toxic hatred towards a random show and everyone who doesn't hate it is just never justified. But I guess you should save that for your therapist, you'll need one in your life by the sound of it. Other than that, have a nice day. So that's one down, what about the rest of this thread? What gives you such a hate boner for that show to even ignore a complete thread and the questions it asks just to turn it into an anti Rick & Morty circlejerk instead of staying on topic? That's not some casual disliking, that's dedicated, burning hatred. There has to be a story behind that, I hope. Other than my weeb theory. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Low Budgets + (Overworked Staff)Underpayed = Low Quality |
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