Attack on Titan
| A lot of anime only are saying the pacing is too slow and not much is happening, and some are already saying the second season isn't as good as the first. Really people? I think that is a unfair statement to make since we are just at the 3rd episode. The first 3 episode in the first arc of season 1 didn't have much action really and the first 3 episode of the female titan arc ep, 14,15 and 16 were all talking, this arc in season 2, is actually more engaging than the first 3 episode of the female titan arc, but anime only wont see it that way, because they looked at season 1 as one big arc. If you haven't realise the series is broken up into arcs just like every series, and this is where basic story telling comes in. We have the exposition & development stage getting introduce to the new enemy, eg beast titan and other stuff------then we have the conflict stage------ after that we have the climax---------- and then finally we have the resolution. Snk being only 12 episode does not mean that the Wit studio staff will skip all the exposition chapters and go straight into the conflict stage. Right now in the 3rd episode we are still in the exposition phase, but in next week episode we will move on to the conflict stage, and this is where the hype really starts at. The first episode of season 1 was a really great first episode with Eren mom death, and I could say the same for the first episode of season 2 with Mike death, but we all know that the episode that really brought the hype level to another level was episode 5 of season 1 in the first arc. All I'm saying is that half way through the season would be better time to start judging the series. Because most series whether 25 or 12 episodes wont have a lot of happening in the first 3 episodes, but instead will be mostly exposition/build up to what is to come later on. That is story telling 101. |
keragammingApr 16, 2017 11:10 AM
| you know its funny how things turn out at times as someone who didn't like season one and gave it a 4 I thought I would be happy a lot of people aren't enjoying it but Ive been acting more pissed off that fans of a series can be so spoiled and act like children complaining over waiting four years and then complaining its only 12 episodes after finally getting what they wanted |
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| People nowadays are generally judging stuff too early, and most peoples attention span is worse than a dead fish's, so... I love it so far, and looking forward to the rest, amazing anime. |
| I generally think that SnK pacing is very good and I honestly don't understand the complaints. It's slow, but steady. I prefer them to take their time a do a proper build up rather than just randomly rush to reach some half assed conclusion. (Never read the manga btw, my opinion is for anime only.) But I guess the main problem that anime watchers have is that we already are aware the 2nd season is not going to explain much. There is more and more questions and barely any answers and it's kinda frustraiting since we don't even know whether or not Wit is going to make another seasons to fully adapt the manga. This might be the reason why some people get impatient (and not everyone likes to read manga, they want to see it animated). |
fuyukiApr 16, 2017 1:19 PM
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| yep i agree , is too early to judge this season i guess people are pissed because is only 12 ep and not because the pacing , after all it have the same pacing of s1 (to be honest , i also was pissed so much after hearing that Snk s2 is only 12 ep but now i accepted that ) the first 3 ep was great in my opnion especially ep 3, it take the hype to the next level the only thing that bothering me is the cgi colossal titan i hope it dont ruin the action scenes |
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fuyuki said: I generally think that SnK pacing is very good and I honestly don't understand the complaints. It's slow, but steady. I prefer them to take their time a do a proper build up rather than just randomly rush to reach some half assed conclusion. (Never read the manga btw, my opinion is for anime only.) But I guess the main problem that anime watchers have is that we already are aware the 2nd season is not going to explain much. There is more and more questions and barely any answers and it's kinda frustraiting since we don't even know whether or not Wit is going to make another seasons to fully adapt the manga. This might be the reason why some people get impatient (and not everyone likes to read manga, they want to see it animated). I don't think people need to worry about whether this gets a full adaptation. Araki already said he wanted to adapt the entire manga. The fact that they add a lot of foreshadowing in the ending theme of snk season 2, with stuff showing that are just release in hte latest manga chapters, means they have in mind that they will adapt these chapters eventually. tragedydesu said: yep i agree , is too early to judge this season i guess people are pissed because is only 12 ep and not because the pacing , after all it have the same pacing of s1 (to be honest , i also was pissed so much after hearing that Snk s2 is only 12 ep but now i accepted that ) the first 3 ep was great in my opnion especially ep 3, it take the hype to the next level the only thing that bothering me is the cgi colossal titan i hope it dont ruin the action scenes @tragedydesu it seems some parts will be cgi and some will be hand drawn. look here. http://falcon94ssy.tumblr.com/post/155195900204/fuku-shuu-preview-of-a-slightly-different |
| @keragamming ah i see :O That's good news |
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| @keragamming If it's true then I'm really glad since I'm one of those poeple who don't really like to read manga and prefer to see it animated (and since I don't read the manga I don't see the foreshadowing but I've already heard people saying that the ED is kinda spoiler-ish). In this case it only confirms my opinion that the pacing is decent and it doesn't need to be rushed, unless we want to see another inconclusive (or just simply fucked up) manga promo. These people who complain just need to shut up and let the studio do its thing. |
fuyukiApr 16, 2017 5:01 PM
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| I mean the manga isn't exactly fast paced either First season just had the benefit of a really hard hitting first 2 episodes This season having a slow start feels worse because people are already blue balled about it being only 1 cour after all these years, and it's still in the part of the series where its still raising more and more questions rather than actually answering any of them (that comes way later). So yea people are gonna be impatient. I dunno why this shit still bothers you after so many years man who cares what these people think. If they really cared they can just go read the manga. They're just here to bitch. |
| These 3 episodes were in fact better than most of S1's episodes. There are just too many anime onlys who's only there for the action. Many people are lazy with reading subtitles and they don't know what's going on. |
| i wonder how they will change their mind once we are in episode 5 or 6 |
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| Imagine when they animate the politics arc XD R.I.P fanbase. |
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You know what? I guess I was really overestimating the maturity of this fanbase, I thought with the series having a 4 years break persons would be way more mature now, but if they are reacting like this now, imagine the uprising arc then? You are right. |
| People should stop expecting so much... |
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keragamming said: You know what? I guess I was really overestimating the maturity of this fanbase, I thought with the series having a 4 years break persons would be way more mature now, but if they are reacting like this now, imagine the uprising arc then? You are right. 50% will drop the show if the uprising arc is animated, because not everyone understand the series perfectly they only seek to watch their favorite characters in action |
sonnestark said: keragamming said: You know what? I guess I was really overestimating the maturity of this fanbase, I thought with the series having a 4 years break persons would be way more mature now, but if they are reacting like this now, imagine the uprising arc then? You are right. 50% will drop the show if the uprising arc is animated, because not everyone understand the series perfectly they only seek to watch their favorite characters in action Uprising is my favorite arc but damn is it slow paced and has lots of politics talk, I hate the mindset of the fans that SnK is only about killing titans and titans fighting other titans and stuff, that arc really dives deep into the world as well as certain characters (like your profile picture). That said if the trailer is pulled off right and the fight scenes are done very well I think it'll do fine. I've noticed a lot of anime-only watchers are more interested in the world rather than just watching for the action, though. They want answers, they want to know why stuff happens - this is the other 50%. They appreciate SnK for what it's really about - the mystery and the characters. Without a doubt they'll stay for the entire Uprising arc and probably even like it. As for the other 50%, if they stay, they'll end up loving it more due to the next battle-oriented arc, and if they don't, we'll have less people complaining on each episode discussion that "nothing happened" or "it's too slow". |
| “Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!” -Donquixote Doflamingo, One Piece |
| Season one IMO is pretty mediocre compared to the rest of the series, this arc is when it really steps up a notch. Next episode when the happens I'm sure they'll get hooked again, that point in the manga was when I started to love it a lot |
| “Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!” -Donquixote Doflamingo, One Piece |
keragamming said: You know what? I guess I was really overestimating the maturity of this fanbase, I thought with the series having a 4 years break persons would be way more mature now, but if they are reacting like this now, imagine the uprising arc then? You are right. You telling me man....These guys gonna be done goof if that arc ever gets animated. Heck I remember talks of people dropping/taking a break from the manga cause of the politic stuff. |
| "You can't spell slaughter without laughter". |
| Personally its been everything I was hoping for so far, its been extremely immersive, beautiful sounds and art, ohh and to top it all off my favorite char sasha got some backstory. If I have to wait 3years for 10/10 quality then so be it, this show has the potential to outdo FMA:B if they don't fuck it up(thats a big if). And people complain that everything is just moe fanservice these days. Moral of the story, people gunna complain whatever. |
| Fast forward another 4 years when we get to some of the more exposition heavy parts of the manga and see how people react then. That'll be fun to read. |
 It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
SnK's fanbase is going to drop like a brick for sure alright. The political stuff is just too deep later in the Manga. [SPOILER ALERT]-> But probably its for the better. Its a mature manga anyway, not for your average high schoolers. |
| i don't think that action anime must have action in every episode, imo episode 3 build the pretty good and i personally enjoyed it. |
| no the anime just sucks lmao |
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| But the people who already enjoy the anime shouldn't have to wait to make a judgement... because they like the anime, just like you. Amirite or amirite? |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Marchevai said: Just so you know, the 12 episode concept should irritate you. Not because its only 12 episodes, but it is because they will end up going on hiatus once again. If you haven't read the manga you need to realize something. In the first episode of season 2 they shoved 2 chapters into one episode. Why is this a problem? Shingeki no Kyoujin has 92 manga chapters as of right now. When the first season was finished, it ended on chapter 34. If you haven't realized it yet, Shingeki no Kyoujin has had one of the worst releases to date because they won't get the content out quick enough. This is basically telling us,"Have fun waiting another for years for another 12 episodes. The manga is currently 3 arcs ahead of the anime and a new arc is just starting at this point. There's lots of reasons that could've lent themselves to this being 12 eps. First, the author already said he want the anime to be 2 arcs behind the manga which is exactly what happens this season. Each season being 12 eps means more high quality production, consistent pacing without any padding or production issues like what we get with S1. The manga probably only has 2 more arcs at most before ending so they could've just release a single 12 eps season each year from now on until the end of the manga if all goes well. This being 12 eps mean less materials adapted per season and every seasons can be released in a shorter interval instead of 25 eps and longer waiting time. It's pretty much the same then aside from the benefits of giving them more time to focus on each arc that I listed above. The long wait between S1 and S2 is also just because of the reasons above so the wait for subsequent seasons most likely won't be that long anymore. |
| >snk fanbase >maturity  You do realize you're sharing the spot with literal highschoolers and middleschoolers, right? Plus, I really don't know what you expected with a fandom this huge anywayz. There'll always be people to complain about lack ofaction or """"plot"""" because the show doesn't go in the direction they desire or doesn't go there fast enough for their liking. If the Uprising arc makes them leave, then it's their loss. fst said: You know why this shit bothers him, fst: kera' loves snk as much as his goddam family. Other than that I agree, just let the haters hate and the fanboys fanboy.I dunno why this shit still bothers you after so many years man who cares what these people think. If they really cared they can just go read the manga. They're just here to bitch. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| @Sapewloth I was coming in optimistic thinking that 4 years would be plenty of time for these snk fans to grow up a bit. lol but I guess they only want action and more action. |
| Hentai doujins already spoiled who the enemy titans are, so I'm not going to feel surprised about anything anymore. But the story of the second season is interesting so far, I wanna see where those titans appeared from now and of course I want to see that beast titan more. |
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| I don't think that judging series this early on is fair, but I do think that writing people who don't like the "slow" pace off as immature is not fair either. I, for one, consider the Uprising to be one the best arcs in the whole manga and it made me actually understand what people think is so awesome in Levi for example, but I also perfectly understand why someone would hate it. Some might be into it just for the titan action and if they are, it's fine. Tastes differ. (And this season is shaping to be better that the first, despite the fact that I hated the rush in the last minutes of the latest episode) PS. the discussions around something as popular AoT fot example are bound to be kinda cancerous at times, blind fanboys and trolly haters are so vocal. |
| The first episodes maybe slow and all but its just building hype for whats too come and boy what is to come the only anime watchers are in for a treat |
"Life and death have been in love, For longer than we have words to describe, Life sends countless gifts to death, And death keeps them forever."  |
PunkHazard98 said: The first episodes maybe slow and all but its just building hype for whats too come and boy what is to come the only anime watchers are in for a treat Exactly this is one of the most action packed arcs in SnK so I think the anime-onlys that want more action should be satisfied by the end |
| “Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!” -Donquixote Doflamingo, One Piece |
| Exactly, is like judging, for example, Steins;Gate, because we all know it has a slow start aswell People still don't understand that you can't judge any show just by watching 1/4 of it |
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| People pump up their critical thinking (nitpicking) when it comes to super popular shows like AOT. Shoudn't be taken seriously. Steins Gate is still shit though. |
zumac said: People pump up their critical thinking (nitpicking) when it comes to super popular shows like AOT. Shoudn't be taken seriously. Steins Gate is still shit though. Wait what? how is Steins Gate shit? |
"Life and death have been in love, For longer than we have words to describe, Life sends countless gifts to death, And death keeps them forever." |
| I'm anime only, I'm pretty happy with this season so far (definitely a lot more into it now than I was in March), but I am also impatient; I assume manga readers were saying the same thing years ago: Scouts are quarantined under suspicion of being titan shifters. Then at Connie's house they find a titan with limbs too small to move it. They ask "How did it even get here?" NO ONE thinks to ask "Could it have manifested here?" Then two groups circuit the wall and, surprise surprise, find no hole. NO ONE thinks to suggest "Could the titans have been people living within the wall?" Is the headdesking going to get worse before it gets better? |
| I thought it was slow at first then i started to read the manga. I still think it is a little bit slow but it is going fine. I hope they will finish this arc. As it's been pointed out here, they release the manga chapters monthly. There maybe are enough materials for 36 episodes so i understand the decision for this season being 12 episodes long. I disagree that people would drop AoT when they animate the next arc. Action is all good but the reason i like this anime is that it has the element of mystery and next arc has its share of action as well. |
Turtles_Hunter said: I partially disagree with you. Yeah, a show has to take his time for explaining its setting. Except here, it's a season 2, the setting is supposed to be already there (note that I haven't seen the season 2 yet). To me pacing in season 1 was already a problem. The first half was excellent. Even if it had nearly no action, story progressed. Halfway to season1, it began to fall (the 2 episode when they were under the half formed Titanform eren, ready to be shot by cannon... and it lasted for 2 episode. I mean, come on, it's supposed to be an emergency situation. Second half of season 1 was not so good with it's pacing. Now for the problem here, I haven't watched it, but if the season is a 12 episode, and a second season, 3 episode and the story not progressing, it's not a good sign. Its not about building up the settings, its a brand new arc, season 1 ended with the female titan arc, this is a new arc, which means there needs to be build up that is just how story telling works, another thing is, snk story is non linear, so it doesn't follow the typical straight forward story telling. But I'm glad that you mention that you haven't watch the second season yet, which ultimately is your downfall and make anything you say , because the pacing has not been slow at all, but in fact well paced, if the season was 25 episodes people would not be complaining, its the fact that it is 12 episode season, so people expect that the studio should just skip all the build up and foreshadowing and go straight into the action. Also this is the season where snk starts to be more plot focus. Again, maybe if you watch the first 3 episode you may see my perspective on this, and not basing your opinion on the prequel. |
PunkHazard98 said: zumac said: People pump up their critical thinking (nitpicking) when it comes to super popular shows like AOT. Shoudn't be taken seriously. Steins Gate is still shit though. Wait what? how is Steins Gate shit? Bananas don't belong in a microwave. |
keragamming said: I don't think people need to worry about whether this gets a full adaptation. Araki already said he wanted to adapt the entire manga. Araki doesn't decide about the production. EasyGo-er said: The manga is currently 3 arcs ahead of the anime and a new arc is just starting at this point. There's lots of reasons that could've lent themselves to this being 12 eps. First, the author already said he want the anime to be 2 arcs behind the manga which is exactly what happens this season. Each season being 12 eps means more high quality production, consistent pacing without any padding or production issues like what we get with S1. The manga probably only has 2 more arcs at most before ending so they could've just release a single 12 eps season each year from now on until the end of the manga if all goes well. This being 12 eps mean less materials adapted per season and every seasons can be released in a shorter interval instead of 25 eps and longer waiting time. It's pretty much the same then aside from the benefits of giving them more time to focus on each arc that I listed above. The long wait between S1 and S2 is also just because of the reasons above so the wait for subsequent seasons most likely won't be that long anymore. I don't think Isayama ever said that he wanted the anime to be 2 arcs behind the manga. And if Season 3 is the Uprising Arc alone, I doubt it would be successful. I don't even know if they want to take that risk. The best thing they could do is to make it into 2 movies, each 2 hours. That way more people would accept it. |
On_the_Lam said: it's fine, delves into conspiracy and spends more time on dialogue, character interaction and how the people within the upper echelons of the walls live. The sole fact that people started complaining after the last episode simply shows how retarded the fanbase of this show is. sonnestark said: 50% will drop the show if the uprising arc is animated, because not everyone understand the series perfectly they only seek to watch their favorite characters in action Are the politics badly executed or are the readers simply children who probably think Code Geass R2 makes sense? The kicker is that it's one of the longest arcs in the series with very little action and titans. It's somewhat of a tonal shift for the series, everyone is more serious with less yelling and all that. |
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MenInBlack said: there isn't as much action in the uprising arc as there was in previous arcs. partly due to it being longersullynathan said: it's fine, delves into conspiracy and spends more time on dialogue, character interaction and how the people within the upper echelons of the walls live. The kicker is that it's one of the longest arcs in the series with very little action and titans. It's somewhat of a tonal shift for the series, everyone is more serious with less yelling and all that. That's false, there is a lot of action in this arc. But people will be disappointed because they won't be able to see their stupid titan getting stupid punch from stupid Eren with stupid WOOOOOOOOARGH. |
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On_the_Lam said: I don't remember people disliking it per se , after all, the arc has Levi as a main character who is a fan favorite. sullynathan said: it's fine, delves into conspiracy and spends more time on dialogue, character interaction and how the people within the upper echelons of the walls live. The kicker is that it's one of the longest arcs in the series with very little action and titans. It's somewhat of a tonal shift for the series, everyone is more serious with less yelling and all that. And people disliked it when judging from that description it could easily be the most interesting arc? Is the fanbase really a bunch of retarded 12 year olds? lmao It's the lack of action thing that got them and the fact that combating titans was not a big focus for that arc but rather the inner struggle of the people within the walls which made a lot of people butthurt. I do think they got their fix with the return to Shiganshina arc that came afterwards. It's as long as the uprising arc but it's pretty much one long battle. I could see them adapting that arc in less than 7 episodes if done well. |
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keragamming said: A lot of anime only are saying the pacing is too slow and not much is happening, and some are already saying the second season isn't as good as the first. Really people? I think that is a unfair statement to make since we are just at the 3rd episode. The first 3 episode in the first arc of season 1 didn't have much action really and the first 3 episode of the female titan arc ep, 14,15 and 16 were all talking, this arc in season 2, is actually more engaging than the first 3 episode of the female titan arc, but anime only wont see it that way, because they looked at season 1 as one big arc. If you haven't realise the series is broken up into arcs just like every series, and this is where basic story telling comes in. We have the exposition & development stage getting introduce to the new enemy, eg beast titan and other stuff------then we have the conflict stage------ after that we have the climax---------- and then finally we have the resolution. Snk being only 12 episode does not mean that the Wit studio staff will skip all the exposition chapters and go straight into the conflict stage. Right now in the 3rd episode we are still in the exposition phase, but in next week episode we will move on to the conflict stage, and this is where the hype really starts at. The first episode of season 1 was a really great first episode with Eren mom death, and I could say the same for the first episode of season 2 with Mike death, but we all know that the episode that really brought the hype level to another level was episode 5 of season 1 in the first arc. All I'm saying is that half way through the season would be better time to start judging the series. Because most series whether 25 or 12 episodes wont have a lot of happening in the first 3 episodes, but instead will be mostly exposition/build up to what is to come later on. That is story telling 101. I don't care about any of that. If I see a Attack on Titan season 2, I already give it a rating of 10 ATTACK ON TITAN IS BEYOND AWESOME! |
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