Macross Δ Episode 15 Discussion

Farabeuf said:
Windermere continues with their mind controlling ways. I know we're supposed to feel sympathy for them, but they have lost any kind of moral authority with their atrocities. Bad thing for them is they're being played and at one point the carpet will be pulled out from under them.

GD1551 said:
Terrible episode, one unit taking out an entire fleet? Come on now... Also why didn't they just wait until the song was over? They literally know that there's a period where the king must rest and cannot sing. Not to mention, how long to they expect to keep up this strategy anyway? It was shown earlier that it greatly weakens the king to even sing like that.

I hate the direction this is going, while there's a feasible reason they CAN control the galaxy, why wouldn't NUNS just bomb all the ruins?

Tyrel said:


Because their runes power got even stronger due to the kings voice... However that happens is a mystery. Wait until the song is over? They're idiot Earthlings (Just like idiot humans nowadays, they want to rush things). Also, I don't think everyone in the forces knew that the King had a time limit. Pretty sure it was only known within the main singers, flyers, etc.

GD1551 said:
Terrible episode, one unit taking out an entire fleet? Come on now... Also why didn't they just wait until the song was over? They literally know that there's a period where the king must rest and cannot sing. Not to mention, how long to they expect to keep up this strategy anyway? It was shown earlier that it greatly weakens the king to even sing like that.

I hate the direction this is going, while there's a feasible reason they CAN control the galaxy, why wouldn't NUNS just bomb all the ruins?

L-Ryoshi said:
Seriously, how the fuck can you explain just how Hayate even managed to fight on par with Keith two episodes ago? The guy took out an entire fleet all by himself. Even with Freyja's songs muddling up the wind he shouldn't even have been lucky enough to be able to touch this guy, let alone injure him.

I'm guessing Hayate's suppose to have some tragic past or what not, but frankly given what the NUN did to Windermere, I couldn't give a damn. Lies, cover ups and attempted genocide just to hide their shady dealings. They deserve their justice, and the Spacey Government better own up to their corrupt crap.

GD1551 said:


Didn't they tell the NUNS representative about the limit when he was telling them what they would do if they couldn't stop Windemere?

Viktor_Otaku said:
So Windemere changes from liberator to conqueror eh ?

L-Ryoshi said:
Seriously, how the fuck can you explain just how Hayate even managed to fight on par with Keith two episodes ago? The guy took out an entire fleet all by himself. Even with Freyja's songs muddling up the wind he shouldn't even have been lucky enough to be able to touch this guy, let alone injure him.

Aventine said:


If NUN really want to attempt genocide Windamere would be a crater-filled rock 7 years ago. Hayate buffed=Keith unbuffed. Keith buffed=shooting down JAMMERS of some ships.

L-Ryoshi said:


I think we've already established that Hayate is a human and hence can't be "buffed" like other species, also that in the history of Macross, that songs don't"buff" aliens. Plus, if you watched the episode, you'd have already seen them drop the dimensional bomb or whatever it's called.
The NUN fucked up and tried to get rid of evidence by blowing said crater in Windamere. It was literally shown in broadcast videos during this episode.

Aventine said:


Are you serious? dude got light trails, wind-feeling/seeing and the whole package. I mean remember how he resonant(or something like that) with Frejya when he shot down Bogue? If NUN want them dead the Windamere would be FILLED with craters, no justa single one and call it a day. And that is if Episilon or some shady third-party isnt involved ,the cat people leader himself have some doubts when talking to Lloyd about how did what.

L-Ryoshi said:


Watch the episode again, the broadcast was of what happened seven years ago, the Walkuria girl clearly identified the ship dropping the bomb as from the NUN. What more evidence do you want?

Aventine said:


Like how Galaxy was suppose to be on the Frontier & NUN side?
Well conspiracy, Epsilon and anti-UN group aside, NUN did not attempt genocide on Windamere, nuked it likely, awful yes, unknown purpose yes.

L-Ryoshi said:


And you're so sure how? What's to say that the anti-UN group ain't a part of the NUN?

Aventine said:


I only gave out a possibility that a third party might have a hand in it, given there are like 10 more ep to go, the one being "so sure" who did it was you.

L-Ryoshi said:


I'm going by the given evidence, plus the dude who ordered the bombing of the relic/ruins two episodes back was also part of the NUN. Why would they do so if they didn't have something to hide? The evidence stacks up.

Aventine said:


Well, maybe try to blow up a giant enemy ship is a good idea?
Current Delta also have Epsilon and/or Anti-UN forces, which somehow know suspiciously alot about var and ruins and song transmission through them and whatnot, having their own agenda and was treated very good by the weird windamere-superiority complex Lloyd. I gave out possiblities base on what the show have shown, not saying anything for certain

L-Ryoshi said:

Need I remind you that Hayate's destroyed ship was in the blast radius? He and the rest of delta almost died there.

Nayrael said:


Judging by the anti-song machines, they tried to do a surprise attack, probably to kill the King. It was a good strategy and could have ended the war at once, but the Windermere are just too good with protoculture ruins for that too work.
In other words, with what they knew the strategy was good. But it's impossible to know what technology Windermere has thanks to Protoculture ruins.

Aventine said:


which is a part of the whole "blowing up ruin on Ragna" plan. So? All I said is NUN wanted to kill the flagship.

L-Ryoshi said:


Cannot tell if that's your admittance that factions in the NUN are evil or not... The fact that they didn't even bother warning Delta to GTFO before they started shooting at the Windimere flagship.

Nayrael said:


Judging by the anti-song machines, they tried to do a surprise attack, probably to kill the King. It was a good strategy and could have ended the war at once, but the Windermere are just too good with protoculture ruins for that too work.
In other words, with what they knew the strategy was good. But it's impossible to know what technology Windermere has thanks to Protoculture ruins.



What liberators? They were conquering from the start: none of planets they "liberated" were Windermere colonies.



Hayate beat him under the influence of Freya's song, White Knight destroyed this fleet under the influence of the amplified Wind Song.
In other words, the battles are 75% song drug, 25% skill.

Whoahoho said:
So, Arad know Hayate's father , so what's the deal about his father that just mentioning his name is a big no no?

If Mikumo is a former wind singer, then would that also makes her a windermere?

Tenth said:
Probably the worst episode so far and this episode really proved it to me I don't really give a shit about Windermiere and this episode was 90% focused on them.