| Is it in bad shape in the first place? Legitimate question, I'm not being smart or anything. |
| Because anime was a mistake |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Because lolis and moe. |
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Zergneedsfood said: FloatsBoats said: Between extremely low wages for animators, directors falling back to Kickstarter, and an evolving media landscape that the industry appears to be super far behind on, I'd say the industry has, at the very least, seen a lot better times.Is it in bad shape in the first place? I certainly think there are some structural issues in the industry that need to be addressed for long term stability. I don't think current models are financially stable in the long term. Oh yeah, I remember hearing about the income inequality problem, it's sort of the same problem pro tennis has actually. Fixing that might be a start :>. Oh and maybe trying to take advantage of the massively increasing fan base in the west, that might help too, but who am I to give them advice. |
| Because the industry is slowly,but surely crumbling due poor economic structuring,and a variety of other things.You know,like pirating,expensive as shit stuff,ETC. The industry also suffers from stupid marketing strategies,such as selling extremely expensive box sets that very few people are willing to buy.But hell,if they do somehow buy it,they will make 4-7 times more than what they would have got if they sold the set at a decent price. Also,lets not forget that anime is expensive as shit in Japan.What we pay for a box set of say,Fullmetal alchemist 2003,they pay for 4 episodes. Lets also not forget that animators are not paid that well,at least most of them.And we have seen evidence for this time and time again. The industry is not well,but can still come back.How? Well i don't really know. |
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| I dunno, I'm pretty sure that 2013 was the most profitable year in the history of the medium. |
| What Japan needs is mobile streaming, mobile is big business in Japan and the lack of streaming services for them is a blight on the industry. Ever heard of Shinra's cloud gaming service, it's time Japan has a Shinra for anime and fast. Also, the buying model should be changed from a BD/DVD model to the more accessible merchandise/CD/Streaming model, they would get more buyers this way and more viewers if the mobile streaming services are implemented. |
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Zergneedsfood said: i was always under the impression that "2013 was the most profitable year" is more about the mainstream anime FGAU preaches about, rather than otaku animeFeaor said: The important question though is what does that mean? If the majority of the profits were just going to big name studios like Shaft, Ufotable, whatever, that means there are still a bunch of smaller studios out there who are just struggling 24/7. I'm not 100% satisfied with the idea of there only being a few studios who have the bank to make stuff.I dunno, I'm pretty sure that 2013 was the most profitable year in the history of the medium. |
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| It's not in bad shape at all if you are a consumer. There's more stuff to choose from then ever before. I am following 24 shows. |
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Feaor said: I dunno, I'm pretty sure that 2013 was the most profitable year in the history of the medium. Not really, if anything, that goes to the 80s or 90s. |
MrInfy said: While I don't have 100% undeniable proof, I do have two articles, one in English with some nice figures and one in Japanese that support my claim.Feaor said: I dunno, I'm pretty sure that 2013 was the most profitable year in the history of the medium. Not really, if anything, that goes to the 80s or 90s. |
Zergneedsfood said: I'm not sure either, I mean 2013 was the year of SnK which I think enjoyed some main stream success in Japan, at least more so than the average late night anime.romagia said: oh really? i was always under the impression that "2013 was the most profitable year" is more about the mainstream anime FGAU preaches about, rather than otaku anime I mean I wouldn't know, lol @_@ |
| Because no one wants to buy expensive ass 2 episode blurays |
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| One word: Pirates |
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Tenshi_Shura said: One word: Pirates More like: Poor people |
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| Is it the anime industry that is in a bad shape ? Or is it the creativity and overall originality in anime that is in bad shape ? Now I wonder... I might lack some knowledge but overall it may just be like for everything , there is up and down . Nothing to worry too much . |
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| Japan should just start renting/streaming anime |
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| They are not making enough anime that appeal to me. That is why. My stake in the anime industry is like 70%. |
| To put it simply, when was the last time you paid for an anime? |
| bcoz things happened |
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fst said: If you're talking about discs, a couple of years ago. If you're talking about contributing to the industry in general, this month probably.To put it simply, when was the last time you paid for an anime? |
offmodel said: MrInfy said: Not really, if anything, that goes to the 80s or 90s. The 90's were not a great time overall, FGAU is right when he says that the Western fanbase judges things based on our nostalgia for that era. Right Stuf has a good article that ends at 1995, and is worth reading, there are a lot of parallels with right now. Huh, I thought it'd turn out to be another one of those ignorant articles you see on IGN, but it was pretty interesting. They were also pretty spot-on with the 80s being the golden years for the japanese economy in the animation industry; it was definitely a time when the passion for robots and future technologies was at its zenith, this is reflected in the enormous quantity of anime with robots and cyberpunk. (Gundam, AKIRA) There were also plenty of anime set in space (Galaxy Empress 999, LoGH), and introduced a lot of quintessential shonen anime that would later influence other series, set new standards within their demographic and become a cult phenomenon in Japan. (Dragon Ball, Hokuto no Ken, Saint Seiya) |
| Coz Japs recluse It might look that they are a totally open contri but its not They didn't even made galapagos flip flops release to the world market |
| Twitter and it's consequences had been a disaster for the human race |
| I'm surprised nobody tried blaming piracy. |
Drunk_Samurai said: I'm surprised nobody tried blaming piracy. Tenshi_Shura said: One word: Pirates I did. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: Drunk_Samurai said: I'm surprised nobody tried blaming piracy. Tenshi_Shura said: One word: Pirates I did. Must have skimmed too fast. Either way that's wrong. Piracy has nothing to do with shitty business models. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Tenshi_Shura said: I did. Must have skimmed too fast. Either way that's wrong. Piracy has nothing to do with shitty business models. Both are at fault. Piracy is illegal and disrespects the creators but it would've been avoided if anime were more accessible. But still, even if was accessible, people will still pirate because it's free. I'm not making sense, am I? |
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Nicoreos said: its not |
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Zergneedsfood said: jpenobagel said: Few people ever really doubted that Amazon was in bad shape. The only doubt was that it was overpriced for the margins that it was generating. Otherwise, everybody knew that Amazon was perfectly fine. Having slim profits and net income really only mattered in this case to outside investors who hoped to cash in on good dividends or equity returns.It depends on what you mean by "bad" shape. For example, just until a few years ago iirc, Amazon wasn't making any "profit" in its fiscal reports even though it was bringing in growing amounts of revenue. The reason was because they were carefully funneling all extra funds into further development, slashing prices, and new ventures. Is the anime industry in a bad shape? Perhaps, but it's still sustaining and budgets for anime production seem to have grown larger than it used to be. Whether or not this is sustainable in the long-run is up to debate, but many also felt that Amazon's long-term prospects were not very good when it started out. Most people knew that Amazon wasn't going anywhere. Feaor said: The important question though is what does that mean? If the majority of the profits were just going to big name studios like Shaft, Ufotable, whatever, that means there are still a bunch of smaller studios out there who are just struggling 24/7. I'm not 100% satisfied with the idea of there only being a few studios who have the bank to make stuff.I dunno, I'm pretty sure that 2013 was the most profitable year in the history of the medium. I dont think 2013 was profitable because of few selected studios. |
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Zergneedsfood said: The problem with piracy is that it's impossible to calculate the "loss" with any reasonable certainty. It's obvious that there are some financial ramifications, but the extent of it is far from being conclusive. At the same time, people who justify piracy are just as inclined to say that without piracy they would have never gotten into anime and would have never bought x, y, and z merchandise that they got because of getting into anime via piracy. My favourite is when companies sue for the cummulative value of every single download, like when they tried to sue limewire for an amount exceeding the GDP of the world. |
| Its not. Just because the current anime doesn't appeal to you or something about it seems off, think again. Your opinion on the medium isn't a fact. Same with Miyazaki. |
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| "anime is dead cause I hate ecchi and moe" This is what the op wanted to say. |
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| Lower quality of Anime, pirating, and poor business practices. Anime should be making way more money outside of Japan, but the Japanese are too stubborn with their outdated business models. |
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RichtheLionheart said: Lower quality of Anime, pirating, and poor business practices. Anime should be making way more money outside of Japan, but the Japanese are too stubborn with their outdated business models. Also some anime disc are freakin' expensive. No way in hell am I going to pay $300 for a BD. |
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| Hideaki Anno was right. Anime is dying. |
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| Because money overall. No money, no anime. Deal with it. |
| WEABOO SCIENTIST |
| It all comes down to ethics and general qua- Oh, who am I kidding, it's just about the ethics. |
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