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| ace is finally free, kinda funny mr. 3 was just like there at the right time, and then they remember mr 2 |
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| I hope Sengoku is strong... And Ace is in the game now, that's great)! |
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| Well, I don't really see what was so deceptive about my post or yours. Anyway, the points you put forward where lacking, I don't see how explaining their faults is arbitrarily concluding anything. And actually, never mind what i said about empathy. Ace escaping is the only point i can think of at the moment. and Luffy, is of-by no measure, an exemplary captain, well, at times most appropriate he is. In closing(again), Luffy really should've been killed by Sengoku, that's the best scenario after Oda-sensei got rid of Garp like he did. I also believe that that is why Garp fell like he did. I maintain, this chapter was grossly disappointing! |
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| Alas, Ace is free from the cuffs. |
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CrazyCoolClub said: so Garp flopped? No he chose his family above his ranking as a marine. Like he said. Family is different. gastricjuice said: Well, I don't really see what was so deceptive about my post or yours. Anyway, the points you put forward where lacking, I don't see how explaining their faults is arbitrarily concluding anything. And actually, never mind what i said about empathy. Ace escaping is the only point i can think of at the moment. and Luffy, is of-by no measure, an exemplary captain, well, at times most appropriate he is. In closing(again), Luffy really should've been killed by Sengoku, that's the best scenario after Oda-sensei got rid of Garp like he did. I also believe that that is why Garp fell like he did. I maintain, this chapter was grossly disappointing! Wow... Yes. Killing off the main character halfway through the series is a great idea indeed. I agree with vindemon64. It's impossible to have a genuine discussion with someone who refuses to back off even a little bit. There have been plenty of good explanations why things happened the way they did this chapter. continuing this argument is unnecessary if you ask me. In your case, let's just hope this arc ends with a real big bang. Something that will probably involve Whitebeard ^_^ |
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| That's not really what I'm saying but, meh! Never mind. |
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| LOL, why would someone think of killing the main character when the series isn't yet finished? That's really a great idea... That would be epic... EPIC FAIL! Anyways, Garp is really sweet... As a father and all... I think he can go around and not risk his position, as everyone saw he was hit by Luffy, he can just say that his grandson is stronger than him. XD |
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| I loved the Garp moment. You big family loving grandpa you <3 This chapter had it's cheap moments, but I don't really care. It's nice to finally be passed 'freeing Ace', now it's time to escape and who knows how long that might take. |
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| These things can't be rushed. This is a huge ass battle and I would be pissed if it was short. I knew Sengoku could wreck shit if he needed too. Also now that Ace is free stuff can happen now. |
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| o shit my boy Ace Free 5/5 |
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| Although the scene involving Garp was short, it made me tear up. As for the chapter overall, I only have mixed feelings for the sudden awakening of Mr.3 right there on the platform, but I'm sure Oda-sensei will explain that soon enough. Otherwise, that was awesome, especially the last page. |
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| HELL YES. Ace is free. Now we might actually see him kick some tail. |
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| You guys are questioning the logic of the script now? Of course everyone knew there was gonna be a deus ex machina thrown into the mix at the last second(ie Luffy's Haki, or Mr 3, or even Kizaru's ray of light). It's not logical, and that's why it's a 'deus ex machina'. This whole arc has been absurd from the start. By that, i mean, as soon as WB and his crew took the bait, they could have easily just killed ACE at any point in time. You guys asking why Kizaru didn't kill luffy instead of shooting the key, but that's just as dumb. Why didn't Kizaru or any of the 3 admirals kill Ace instead? They can still do it right now, well maybe not now, since Ace is free, but the whole battle up to this chapter, any of them could have just one shotted Ace. True? You can argue that they wanted to show it to the world, but then, they already switched off the broadcast ages ago. They could have just finished him off then and there, and given him no chance to escape whatsoever. So complaining about such a minor thing at this point in time seems kind of redundant. If you were gonna complain, at least complain about them not killing ace, and not some other crap that's not actually vital to the plot(like them killing ace). Who cares about Mr 3 or whatever popping out. Also, i liked how the Garp/Luffy fight went. I would be really sad and disappointed if Garp had actually fought Luffy seriously and then as a result of delaying Luffy, Ace was to die. That would just destroy Garps character for me. This way, the arc can finish faster, and we can move on to the better parts. Everyones getting sick of this arc by now i think, since there's no actual in depth battles, and it's just a clusterfuck of a royal rumble. I want some actual drama going on, not just skipping through panels and showing one panel from each fight that has no emotional tension because of a lack of build up. Hopefully next chapter we have a proper fight, with Ace and Luffy just tearing shit up(preferably tearing Sengoku a new one, that would be so awesome). Then maybe Garp getting reprimanded since i think Sengoku knows that he took a dive, and then maybe him being forced to retire or leave the marines, and then Garp himself becomes a Yonkou or something! That would be leet(but i doubt it would happen heh). Maybe not a yonkou, but just another world power in himself, or he starts a revolution in the marines himself, IE the GOOD MARINES(with his proteges Helmeppo or whatever and AoKiJi and Smoker and crew) instead of the corrupted ones that slaughtered a whole island or whatever. |
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| Getting kinda tired of defending this chapter so this'll be my last input to this topic. Garp: This situation was handled perfectly. It not only shows that a big important guy like Garp has his flaws, it also had a tremendous emotional side to it. Garp embracing the fact that both his grandsons have truly become pirates. It's not what he wanted but in the end it's a typical D thing to accept the path one has chosen. Fighting Sengoku: If Ace was cut down just like that, the fury and anger of the pirates would have put the plan of leading them all in a trap in danger. Sengoku is a man who plans just about everything. But it's thanks to the influence of Oars jr and Luffy and co, that his backupplan of luring them in the center and destroying their foothold failed. At this point there have been constant interruptions From Crocodile, Marco, Oars Jr, Luffy etc. This whole war is going really fast, and before people well and truly realized it, Luffy was right there with a key. which leads to Kizaru: Shooting the key was a much better option. Shoot the key and destroy the only thing capable of freeing Ace. Sengoku already transformed so he could easily take down Luffy (or so he thought) It's clear that by this point 2 marines cutting him down traditionally wasn't going to work. So Sengoku transforming and squishing them both seems like a better choice. I don't see Luffy's Haki or Crocodile's espada's making a different when it comes to this. What a lot of people seem to forget is the fact that this is a war. War's don't play out as your typical Bleach arc, where everyone kindly waits for his/her turn. It's a clusterfuck! People changing fights on the fly, interruptions etc. Complaining about the logic in this arc is one thing, but asking for something that would be just as illogical is crazy. Oda has given us plenty of arcs with detailed 1 on 1 fights, I for one think it's refreshing to have a arc like this. A total clusterfuck where anything can happen. Ok. I've ranted for long enough ^^ I don't expect this to change the minds of the people that don't like this arc, but let's give it the benefit of the doubt! it's not over yet, and I'm pretty sure with the climax close that it's going to end with a bang. A BIG bang. |
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| I'm not gonna say much since i'm sure everyone is as tired of reading my posts as i am writing them. @Ex0 Just to say, i do not intend to argue the seemingly new points you brought forward, the reason i'm so emotional over this, is the fact that it's what everyone has been waiting for. It's what Kuma tried protecting Luffy from and why Luffy almost died so many times in a matter of a week! It was not done with much consideration. Ex0, it's no minor thing, meticulous planning went into creating this entire ark, from the entire island, to the marines idiosyncratic mischiefs. After being bathed with so much awesome, you shouldn't expect to be fed the short end of a stick dude, you're just insulting yourself by saying something like that. Well, obviously many people are inclined to think differently, but like Vindemon said, people just interpret things differently i guess... @Mulderman Mulderman, I'm not being illogical. I'm actually being very logical by saying Luffy should have been killed right then and there. Absolutely nothing/no one was protecting him, unlike the numerous times he actually faced opponents stronger than him, who where very quick to exploit his numerous weaknesses. I mean, it's Sengoku we're talking about, just think back to what he has done so far! Why he'd even think he needs his DF power to handle an exhausted Luffy and Ace is beyond me, know what i mean. @Everyone Ok, i think i've annoyed you all long enough. I will always like One Piece more all of you combined XD but i deeply feel i was let down when it mostly matters. Anyway, what's done is done i guess, i'm also happy Ace was released but that happiness is clouded by a thick overpowering cloud of melancholy. Ok, now i'm really resting my case :) |
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| I love this arc...and forget about all strawhat crew XD |
| guys stop) lets wait for the next chapter to see some badass action with Ace.. X) if you dont like it, its fine, he just rushed it tho somebody expected other moments and thats ok) better ENJOY these colored pages :D http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/021/3/d/one_piece_chap_571_page_06_07_by_vi3ugu3pard.png http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/021/b/e/OP_Ch_571__by_Arrancari.jpg http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/021/e/b/One_Piece_Manga__Chapter_571_by_Naruto1piece.jpg |
| *sigh* I, like gastricjuice, am one of the few that did not like this chapter. Like he said, its absolutely ridiculous to conceive how almost everything went Luffy's way. I didn't like that there were a series of convenient coincidences. Sengoku's sudden lack of wit is one glaring hole in the plot. I mean seriously: WHAT THE FLYING FUCK MAN? THIS IS THE STRATEGIST THAT IS PUT ON A PEDESTAL BY BOTH MARINES AND PIRATES ALIKE? DID LUFFY USE "ZA WARUDO" A FEW SECONDS SO IT SEEMED LIKE EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD CEASED? ah shit, this chapter made me RAGE so bad, I ended up associating another manga to this. To quote a memorable line from Dave Chappelle's inaccurate rendition of the Life of Rick James , "I wish I had more hands, so I could give those titties this chapter four thumbs down!" @ex0: How in god's name is Luffy's Haki a Deus Ex Machina? It's not as if it was the first time it occurred that he unleashed it. In fact, there has been a pattern to its unleashing. Kuma's "sending away" of the SH, I believe triggered a switch in Luffy that allows him to use his monstrous Haki as a last-ditch resort, whenever someone important to him is about to be killed. Margaret? Yep; she was about to be smash to dust. Bon Clay? Uh-huh; was about to be mauled by a bunch of rabid hounds. Ace? Bingo. He was about to get his noggin' sliced off. I just don't see how the Haki can even be remotely called a Deus Ex Machina... |
avrcJan 22, 2010 3:25 PM
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| This was a good chapter, but Sengoku's ability...wtf? lol |
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| the haki was 100% expected thats like the last thing that happened in his war that was logical after that ppl started poping up left and right who shouldnt of been there and did something that was way to convenient the ramp? wasnt that guy dead/gone/left behind?? yeah... so hes out of commission at the very least i mean luffy got hit by posion guy and ivan said luffy would take a few days to pull through and it would be risky ect he looked fine when he made the ramp... and i still dont remember him in any frames b4 then |
| Because he was first resting on the ship. After it got destroyed he was hiding inside Iva's hair. Inazuma has probably been exposed to Iva's Hormones a lot more then say luffy, which would explain the reason he could recover faster. That and the fact that Luffy got exposed to a lot more poison then Iva and Inazuma. A heavy combination of poison, gas and other things. Inazuma resting in bed http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/549/04/ Inazuma comming out of the hair http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/570/10/ |
muldermanJan 23, 2010 4:40 AM
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| Great!! although it's kinda disappointing to see Luffy stealing the spot light from the top guys!! 3.3 Am I the only one who's starting to think that Sengoku's fruit's gonna end up being really broken? D:< |
| Yes!!! Ace is finally free!! Now, I'm hoping they'll all get the hell out of there and find the rest of the Straw Hat Crew. But I can't say that Oda disapointed fans with this arc. It's still freakin awesome! |
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| wtf Mr.3 appears out of no where @_@? Sengoku's power is ... weird =/ but at least Ace is finally released from captivity although I do wonder what the arc after this will be. |
| I believe Crocodile got rid of the first executioners so Mr. 3 could sneak in. |
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| What the hell was Sengoku's power XD? Aside from that, Ace is free whoop whoop :P |
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| As weird as it may seem...Sengoku's fruit appears to be some kind of "Buddah" fruit! xD Hence his nick "Sengoku the Buddah"! And some people's results from googling "Buddah powers": (lol) |
| Fuck yesssss. |
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| Just WOW! Next! |
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| YATTA!!!! ACE IS FREEEEEEEEEE!~ Woooooooo |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| Beautiful chapter, great job, Mr. 3. Sengoku's ability was quite underwhelming in this chapter, it was better in the anime iirc. |
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| Mr. 3 , you are awesome! Ace is free! |
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| ACE IS FREE!!! Thanks to Luffy and Mr.3, Ace is free and now is time to .... retreat!!! |
| Garp just couldn't do it :/ Ace is finally free!! |
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| Garp didn't seem like he did his best there!lol! I'm not complaining though! It's high time that Ace is saved; and a real battle against Garp would be too dragging already!😫 |
 She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
| Ace is free finally!! The tension is still at an all time high... |
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| That felt a bit too easy. Though they still have to escape and WB isn't exactly at peak condition. |
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| WTF where did Mr. 3 come from? I was scared for a second but he came in clutch again just like he did against Magellan. Now Ace can wreak havoc. I know there's more drama to come ofc |
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| Garp was being... annoying but seemed to pick family over the marines!?!?!? he definitely let Luffy knock him down as Garp is probably WAY stronger than Luffy Sengoku became... uh... big and golden? kind of a bad power but there has to be a hidden power if he's ranked so high right? Mr. 3 randomly appeared and managed to protect ace and give Luffy a key to let Ace out... AND ACE GOT OUT!!! HE'S FREE!!! ALL THAT STRESS FINALLY OVER BECAUSE HE'S SAFE!!! |
| That endingggg <3 Im really shocked that Mr. 3 was one of the executioners tho, how?? |
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