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Aug 12, 2022 4:54 PM

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Who among them will pamper me the most?
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Meusnier said:
Velsria said:


Yeah sure we can agree on that, but it doesn't mean their appearance per se can't be obtained without drugs.

There was a study saying that naturally it is possible to achieve a maximum of 0.7kg of muscle mass per every 1cm of height at elite levels but half of that is still very realistic as most sumo wrestlers have and had similar amounts of muscle muscle.

so a guy like me 170cm could easily hold on his body a minimum 61kg of pure muscle alone.. including the weight of bones, skin, organs and other stuff that'd put me easily at a not too lean not too fat 95-100kg natty, with 20kg of pure fat and the rest in other lean-non-muscle mass.

This assuming my genetics are average, they could be elite and top notch, who knows? Let's also not forget that bone mass gets heavier ass well through training and diet. so my max natty weight could be even higher.

Roided guys just have the muscles of a sumo player without the extra fat. Realistic? Certainly not... but who cares, if it is possible with drugs it's possible without.

"Yeah sure we can agree on that, but it doesn't mean their appearance per se can't be obtained without drugs."

This is exactly what it means.


Read comprehension + Mal users = non-existent.
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superman physique go crazy, its the lats traps and shoulders that really stand out when you want to appeal
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Amityblight said:
Meusnier said:

"Yeah sure we can agree on that, but it doesn't mean their appearance per se can't be obtained without drugs."

This is exactly what it means.


Read comprehension + Mal users = non-existent.

Pretty much, but what can you do? All kids today think that they will look like Simeon Panda if they train hard enough (no pain no gain!) and stuff themselves with chicken/broccoli. Training 30 years will not make any difference, and one likely reaches his natural limits within a decade. And things obviously get much harder as you grow older...

The guy is such a liar by the way:

What is your body fat percentage?

I stay around 7%

How have you managed to stay lean and still build?

Training hard (I do mean hard!) consistently for many years while eating ‘healthily.’ I’ve avoided the typical bodybuilders ‘bulking and cutting’ and have just eaten ‘enough’ healthy nutritious food I need to grow, without putting on excess fat.
Aug 12, 2022 11:39 PM

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I dont like any of those in that pic.

Velsria said:
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This is rougly 30 years before the invetion of steroids, the only things available at the time where methamphetamine and other ''stimulants'' like cocaine, nothing like modern steroids


That guy looks no more than 5 foot 4 tall. Assume his head is no bigger than a foot tall is how I calculated this. Being shorter wouldn't that make his muscles look bulkier?

Also should be noted some people have genetic mutations that cause them to be abnormally muscular. I recall in past about a kid (and I mean literally he was like 8 or something iirc) ripped like he's on steroids because of this mutation. I wonder what he looks like now.

There also is pituitary conditions like pituitary tumors that cause someone to grow abnormally like Andre the Giant.

Also these days so called "natural" body builders all use supplements especially creatine which causes water to be drawn into muscles making them swell up. Some other supplements basically act as natural drugs. Some supplements arent even nanatural. With creatine this is often a level of creatine that's beyond what anyone would get from just a high protein diet. There also are experimental drugs that arent always tested for yet such as SARMs.

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rohan121 said:
Women love tall men with cute faces without much fat like most k-pop idols. Muscle is not needed much outside a six pack.

This may be true for underage women, all female sexual fantasy books are based around ridiculously muscular and dominant hairy men.
Try reading some of those books, they make bodybuilders envy.

Also male strippers centered around female clients are roided up beasts with ridiculous ammounts of muscles

Average age of smutty romance novel readers when i looked to be sure is seriously 42 and in 2013 was 44. As demographic age goes down the content will likely change. Women more of that age more likely will like someone more muscular and hairy because on average they themselves weigh more and also are hairier from menopause. It takes more strength to "manhandle" or lift them and more hair to make themselves feel by comparison more feminine. Hormonal changes also alter what people find attractive more directly in the brain. So this wont give you a very broad image to go by.

kuroava said:

its more of a genetic disorder, as an example theres this pornstar named Kimber James who is like this, or was like this, before surgeries and fake boobs and etc

Do you mean you think you have klinefelter syndrome?
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kuroava said:
traed said:
Do you mean you think you have klinefelter syndrome?


probably a variation of it, i read that but i never had any coordination or speech or the majority of the problems listed but i have differences in body type and had delayed puberty, was also shy and sensitive, still am but to a lower extent.

As far as chromosomal conditions go only other fit is XX male syndrome. Otherwise it would have to involve something else.
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Aug 13, 2022 1:10 AM
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Why this topic in a forum of mostly straight male users? Trying to feel manly about appreciating other men?
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kuroava said:

why you wanna join the girls club?


Reasons

wear makeup


My friends already put make up on me, the male version of it at least

go around in heels


I'm short

have a never ending maintenance hell beauty care routine


I already do

and let boys touch you?


I do fighting sports, so it already happens


you have to be skinny first othewise you wont fit in the cute clothing :p


Ok you changed my mind
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@meusnier you talk a lot about things you clearly know nothing or have no experience in if not maybe just second hand internet experience, or you are going to tell me you went to the gym for 1 year and did some bullshit program and now you are a sport expert.


Meusnier said:

Pretty much, but what can you do? All kids today think that they will look like Simeon Panda if they train hard enough (no pain no gain!) and stuff themselves with chicken/broccoli.


You always exagerate and ridiculize everything


Training 30 years will not make any difference


Do you have any slight proof of that? have you trained for 30 years?

and one likely reaches his natural limits within a decade


Do you have anything scientific speaking of such natural limit?

And things obviously get much harder as you grow older...


Strength athletes peak in their 40-50s and they only seem to get weaker after stopping their training careers.

The guy is such a liar by the way:

What is your body fat percentage?

I stay around 7%

How have you managed to stay lean and still build?

Training hard (I do mean hard!) consistently for many years while eating ‘healthily.’ I’ve avoided the typical bodybuilders ‘bulking and cutting’ and have just eaten ‘enough’ healthy nutritious food I need to grow, without putting on excess fat.


I never said I was 7%, I mean one time I had anorexia and was obsessed with being shredded, the lowest I have been was roughly around 11% and was shredded as hell with veins on my abs and a death face from being too skinny, it only lasted a few months tho.

year round I'm 17% lowest and 20% highest Now I'm around 18% and have have a 4 pack of abs when I flex in good lighting.
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Noboru said:
That's about the coolest stuff I've seen today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkEahoGwB_s


YES oh my god that is burned into my mind, didn't quite understand it back in 2008 but once I knew the whole backstory, the whole thing stuck with me. It was beautiful.

Two people were lifting that weight, no doubt in my mind.
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As long as the abs are fit so, body builder, femboy and maybe superman.
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I think the ideal body for men is tall and muscular but slim, like Cristiano Ronaldo. Otherwise their muscle would be redundant, consume too much energy, and hamper their movement. But the most important part is still the face. Ugly people should forget about doing strength training cause it would only make them look like thugs and intimidate women. For this group, I suggest compensating it with money and personality.
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I think manta rays are cute so I'll go with that.
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Erg_Orgy said:
Noboru said:
That's about the coolest stuff I've seen today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkEahoGwB_s


YES oh my god that is burned into my mind, didn't quite understand it back in 2008 but once I knew the whole backstory, the whole thing stuck with me. It was beautiful.

Two people were lifting that weight, no doubt in my mind.
To be fair, I didn't follow the Olympics back then and only randomly stumbled upon it, but it immediately hit me hard emotionally. But yes, it's quite beautiful and admirable how he managed to lift it up
Sure, but it also seems like there was additional, mental weight behind that lifting. I can only feel deep awe and deep respect when seeing scenes like that
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Normal and femboys.

All other types look like they could rip me apart, big no

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pizazz said:
Ugly people should forget about doing strength training cause it would only make them look like thugs and intimidate women. For this group, I suggest compensating it with money and personality.


Thugs fuck a lot.
And if a woman says you are intimidating, she is literally complimenting and flirting with you.

The fat or skinny lonely guy who smells and dresses bad is scary and the women will avoid him fearing of being raped.

The jacked ugly mofo is considered ''intimidating'' and women will still flock around him.

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none but the bodybuilder type looks more normal than the other ones
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Skimt said:
Noboru said:
That's about the coolest stuff I've seen today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkEahoGwB_s


Thank you for sharing. That was amazing.
I'm glad to hear that and you're welcome
It's the proof that humans can overcome their own limits
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Hit Korean television shows like "Crash Landing on You" and "Goblin," were selling more than men with beautiful faces and chiseled bodies like their stars Hyun Bin and Gong Yoo. They were offering a glimpse into a world where men were romantic and patient, an antithesis to what the women saw as the sex-obsessed dating culture of their home countries.

The appeal of Korean men
The women Lee interviewed were fascinated with Korean men who were portrayed on TV as being in touch with their emotions and willing to embrace their "effeminate sides," Lee said.

more here https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/south-korea-western-women-seeking-love-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

western young women do not want macho men anymore lol
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Velsria said:
@meusnier you talk a lot about things you clearly know nothing or have no experience in if not maybe just second hand internet experience, or you are going to tell me you went to the gym for 1 year and did some bullshit program and now you are a sport expert.


Meusnier said:

Pretty much, but what can you do? All kids today think that they will look like Simeon Panda if they train hard enough (no pain no gain!) and stuff themselves with chicken/broccoli.


You always exagerate and ridiculize everything


Training 30 years will not make any difference


Do you have any slight proof of that? have you trained for 30 years?

and one likely reaches his natural limits within a decade


Do you have anything scientific speaking of such natural limit?

And things obviously get much harder as you grow older...


Strength athletes peak in their 40-50s and they only seem to get weaker after stopping their training careers.

The guy is such a liar by the way:

What is your body fat percentage?

I stay around 7%

How have you managed to stay lean and still build?

Training hard (I do mean hard!) consistently for many years while eating ‘healthily.’ I’ve avoided the typical bodybuilders ‘bulking and cutting’ and have just eaten ‘enough’ healthy nutritious food I need to grow, without putting on excess fat.


I never said I was 7%, I mean one time I had anorexia and was obsessed with being shredded, the lowest I have been was roughly around 11% and was shredded as hell with veins on my abs and a death face from being too skinny, it only lasted a few months tho.

year round I'm 17% lowest and 20% highest Now I'm around 18% and have have a 4 pack of abs when I flex in good lighting.

What is your own experience exactly? Three years ago, you were 57kg... Body-building is not rocket science by the way.

Your ad hominem are as weak as ever. I do not need to train during 30 years to know that it is futile to expect big chances after training during 10 or 15 years. There are scientific reasons for that in strength sports, because the testosterone decreases with age for example. But keep deluding yourself if you think that one can become like the Rock and Stallone at an old age...

The scientific thing is to compare the best performances of pre-1940 athletes (in terms of weight, height and bodyfat) and see if an athlete's physique is comparable to those, but you should already know that... Another useful tool is far-free mass index (FFMI), and research suggests a natural limit around 25:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5438288/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3306818/

Even amongst American football players (where you can be confident that doping happens as frequently as in other such sports), the mean was around 25±2, while the average FFMI of the general population is below 22.

How bad is your reading comprehension? I was quoting an interview of Panda-kun by himself.

https://simeonpanda.com/blogs/news/my-transformation-and-faqs

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Hit Korean television shows like "Crash Landing on You" and "Goblin," were selling more than men with beautiful faces and chiseled bodies like their stars Hyun Bin and Gong Yoo. They were offering a glimpse into a world where men were romantic and patient, an antithesis to what the women saw as the sex-obsessed dating culture of their home countries.

The appeal of Korean men
The women Lee interviewed were fascinated with Korean men who were portrayed on TV as being in touch with their emotions and willing to embrace their "effeminate sides," Lee said.

more here https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/south-korea-western-women-seeking-love-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

western young women do not want macho men anymore lol

Imagine their dismay when they end up meeting @Kosmonaut instead of BTS fans.
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Hit Korean television shows like "Crash Landing on You" and "Goblin," were selling more than men with beautiful faces and chiseled bodies like their stars Hyun Bin and Gong Yoo. They were offering a glimpse into a world where men were romantic and patient, an antithesis to what the women saw as the sex-obsessed dating culture of their home countries.

The appeal of Korean men
The women Lee interviewed were fascinated with Korean men who were portrayed on TV as being in touch with their emotions and willing to embrace their "effeminate sides," Lee said.

more here https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/south-korea-western-women-seeking-love-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

western young women do not want macho men anymore lol


Bet my left testicle that the women that do this shit are femcels.
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deg said:
Hit Korean television shows like "Crash Landing on You" and "Goblin," were selling more than men with beautiful faces and chiseled bodies like their stars Hyun Bin and Gong Yoo. They were offering a glimpse into a world where men were romantic and patient, an antithesis to what the women saw as the sex-obsessed dating culture of their home countries.

The appeal of Korean men
The women Lee interviewed were fascinated with Korean men who were portrayed on TV as being in touch with their emotions and willing to embrace their "effeminate sides," Lee said.

more here https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/south-korea-western-women-seeking-love-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

western young women do not want macho men anymore lol


Bet my left testicle that the women that do this shit are femcels.

Because it goes against your pills or something? lmao different strokes for different folks.



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Big d and big bank account get you any woman..
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Bodybuilder. Henry Cavill in Immortals was godly (no pun intended) but he definitely bulked which isn't a physique I want to strive for.

Personally if I end up with more fat than that body builder who seems like a solid 10% body fat at around 15-20%, I'd be a happy gym-goer. Still has a long way to go though. Need to lose about 20lb more fat to start, currently at 198lb, 5"9.

Gotta say though, having a routine now at the gym on a weekly basis feels great. Being able to measure your progress and seeing progress is addictive af even if it's a slow process
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None of these men are achieved this without "any external aid" wdym. They're all jacked up on steriods. Their bodies are nice to look at, but they're not attractive - they're too fake. The manta ray shape is kinda scary too tbh. The sexiest body shape is natural body shape

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Bodybuilder is overall better but Superman body looks a tad bit sexier. I wish I had a body like Henry lmao
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Bakchos said:
foxecairn said:


Bet my left testicle that the women that do this shit are femcels.

Because it goes against your pills or something? lmao different strokes for different folks.

Because it is dumb "where is my prince charming" bs.

I am not pilled in any way.
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@meusnier you talk a lot about things you clearly know nothing or have no experience in if not maybe just second hand internet experience, or you are going to tell me you went to the gym for 1 year and did some bullshit program and now you are a sport expert.




You always exagerate and ridiculize everything




Do you have any slight proof of that? have you trained for 30 years?



Do you have anything scientific speaking of such natural limit?



Strength athletes peak in their 40-50s and they only seem to get weaker after stopping their training careers.



I never said I was 7%, I mean one time I had anorexia and was obsessed with being shredded, the lowest I have been was roughly around 11% and was shredded as hell with veins on my abs and a death face from being too skinny, it only lasted a few months tho.

year round I'm 17% lowest and 20% highest Now I'm around 18% and have have a 4 pack of abs when I flex in good lighting.

What is your own experience exactly? Three years ago, you were 57kg... Body-building is not rocket science by the way.

Your ad hominem are as weak as ever. I do not need to train during 30 years to know that it is futile to expect big chances after training during 10 or 15 years. There are scientific reasons for that in strength sports, because the testosterone decreases with age for example. But keep deluding yourself if you think that one can become like the Rock and Stallone at an old age...

The scientific thing is to compare the best performances of pre-1940 athletes (in terms of weight, height and bodyfat) and see if an athlete's physique is comparable to those, but you should already know that... Another useful tool is far-free mass index (FFMI), and research suggests a natural limit around 25:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5438288/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3306818/

Even amongst American football players (where you can be confident that doping happens as frequently as in other such sports), the mean was around 25±2, while the average FFMI of the general population is below 22.

How bad is your reading comprehension? I was quoting an interview of Panda-kun by himself.

https://simeonpanda.com/blogs/news/my-transformation-and-faqs

deg said:
Hit Korean television shows like "Crash Landing on You" and "Goblin," were selling more than men with beautiful faces and chiseled bodies like their stars Hyun Bin and Gong Yoo. They were offering a glimpse into a world where men were romantic and patient, an antithesis to what the women saw as the sex-obsessed dating culture of their home countries.

The appeal of Korean men
The women Lee interviewed were fascinated with Korean men who were portrayed on TV as being in touch with their emotions and willing to embrace their "effeminate sides," Lee said.

more here https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/south-korea-western-women-seeking-love-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

western young women do not want macho men anymore lol

Imagine their dismay when they end up meeting @Kosmonaut instead of BTS fans.


All the shit you linked was debunked and explained half a decade ago kid :)
Even the testosterone thing, yes it decreases every year, for inactive people... for athletes it decreases at a rate so slow that sometimes it doesn't decrease at all.
and even then, that means nothing because if women can build muscle with a testosterone level 50 times lower than a diabetic dying old man, then there's no excuse.

That's why strongmen, powerlifters, armwrestlers and all athletes based on true strength peak in their 40-50s. We are talking about strength and muscle here not about some fucking skinny ass anorexic cricket and ball players.

Everyone who has been using BMI to calculate ''natural'' limits has been proved to be a complete retard or a fraud that doesn't know how the scientific method works.
Study better next time frenchie cause you are still living in 2008.

Stop listening to fucking scammers.

You think 25 BMI is the fucking natural limit? That's borderlin fucking underweight by Italian standards and European standards because we use HP +/- instead of BMI which is more precise

HP 0 = if you are 180 you should weight 80kg MINUMUM otherwise you are starving.
HP+15 = you actually go to the gym and have been training for 2-4 years, but you are a FUCKING BEGINNER STILL which equals to 29.4 BMI

In europe HP + 25 is when you are considered big and heavy, which is BMI 33


Your frenchsexual country should have the same system but with a different name.

Yeah go ahead and link more studies based around random pointless metrics and done on agility based athletes to explain the strength limit by fucking acrobatics in logic.
That's how science works, we need the most indirect and non-sensical easily disprovable evidence and we use it even years after it was proven to be bullshit :)


I have scientific papers proving soda is healthier than water if you need them, apparently you believe everything cause you have 0 ability to criticize and analyze a scientific papers :)


by your standards, if one is not fucking underweight and anorexic then he must be roided up.
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Probably the one who works out but doesn't get too obsessed with his body or take everything too seriously by trying to have the biggest muscles.
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Probably the one who works out but doesn't get too obsessed with his body or take everything too seriously trying to be the biggest and everything.


Strength uber alles.

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Lift a woman over your head with just one arm or gtfo
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Visible, but not too big muscles + pretty face is perfection
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THE FEMBOY ONE IS THE REALLY HOT ONE!!!
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Like Eren Yeager. Lean, but still muscular.
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Whichever category Guts fall into…
Guts is a femboy soooooooooooo yeah
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the muscles from brussels has always done it for me, especially his bloodsport/kickboxer conditions;

he doesn't look like a collection of tumours and has thicc thighs to drive those roundhouse kicks
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_meimei said:
Whichever category Guts fall into…
Guts is a femboy soooooooooooo yeah
But if Guts is a femboy, then what is Griffith?!
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Atlos said:
Guts is a femboy soooooooooooo yeah
But if Guts is a femboy, then what is Griffith?!
Griffith is a fem-man (femman? feman? idk)
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For fitness obsession I prefer a physique that got developed naturally through activity, which highlights that they've honed a specific skill, such as swimming, running, or climbing. While anything is considerably better than becoming one with the couch, I find that there is less to admire in people who simply pumped iron and trampled a treadmill to death. But even though broad shoulders and abs on women are nice, I'm left vacant of impression if it doesn't also come with skill or personality which I could argue is equally if not more important.


Aren't powerlifting/strongmen/armwrestling/wrestling/Olympic lifts sports which are strength based considered "activities" ?


I mean, not all sports are based around cardio stuff..
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deg said:
Hit Korean television shows like "Crash Landing on You" and "Goblin," were selling more than men with beautiful faces and chiseled bodies like their stars Hyun Bin and Gong Yoo. They were offering a glimpse into a world where men were romantic and patient, an antithesis to what the women saw as the sex-obsessed dating culture of their home countries.

The appeal of Korean men
The women Lee interviewed were fascinated with Korean men who were portrayed on TV as being in touch with their emotions and willing to embrace their "effeminate sides," Lee said.

more here https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/south-korea-western-women-seeking-love-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

western young women do not want macho men anymore lol

Imagine their dismay when they end up meeting @Kosmonaut instead of BTS fans.
Considering they're looking for their oppa at nightclubs in, I assume, Itaewon, where the tourist trap lies, without speaking a single proper sentence in Korean... Meeting a Kosmonaut along the way instead wouldn't be the worst luck. For example, I could beat some sense into-- I mean, kindly tell them to not do that. If they're going to fail miserably and expose themselves to potential harassment, at least they should do it where it's cheaper and less of an ameriboo territory, like Hongdae. That way they'll waste way less money while still wasting their time.
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idk how to tell you this babe, but none of the options speak to me
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God I love it when men resemble a fucking fish.

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