The Current Events Board Will Be Closed on Friday JST

RuneRem said:




I'm on anime series discussion most of the time, would spend more time there if mods delt with spoilers.

Cneq said:
Imagine deleting my comment just because I called your moderation and project management team incompetent and called out the fact the site relies almost entirely on VOLUNTEER LABOR despite milking your userbase out of site subscriptions and your online store.

Deleting criticism that is 100% factual just because you people feel insecure is incredibly unsightly but I guess I would expect nothing less from a team of UNPAID "moderators" who not only fail to conceptualize clear rules but when things don't go their way they instead close entire boards.

ONCE AGAIN, use your MONEY MyAnimeList to HIRE a team of MODERATORS and stop relying on UNPAID LABOR.

If you delete this criticism again you're proving my point.

Cneq said:
Guess my paragraphs will now have to go to my University reports instead of MAL debates, fuck me.

On a serious note the mod team is incompetent volunteer labor and MAL despite making money off people's subs and their online store doesn't even have enough to spare to integrate a proper email server for account notices nor the care to actually PAY a moderation team.

I take that back, whoever is the project manager and making these decisions is clearly incompetent, mods are just an obvious result of that.

2021 and a massive entity such as this is run like a 2006 WEB 2.0 platform by some 14 year in in his mothers garage, you've outdone yourself MAL.

RuneRem said:




I'm on anime series discussion most of the time, would spend more time there if mods delt with spoilers.

GamerDLM said:

I like how you didn't even bother to crop out the dates showing that only a single one of those threads has had any activity in the past week despite you very clearly posting in other threads (such as this one) after that date.
Imagine being so blatantly bad at lying.

Bayek said:
I don't really blame them since it's probably an optics thing ultimately. Rule 7 was imposed back when the front page of CE & CD was filled with Holocaust denial threads getting high traffic. That's definitely not a good look if you're aiming to be one of the foremost anime sites out there. It's a very small sacrifice for what MAL is ultimately aiming to be about - anime.

I imagine they'll eventually delete Hitler's MAL entry too after Attack on Titan doubles his favorites next year.

deg said:


more automation is better than more moderation too

>And ultimately, MyAnimeList is an anime website; it is not a political or news forum.

reminds me of the talking point of Ardanaz too lol and he recently became a mod again, my conspiracy theory mind is triggering

but anyway its their site so its their rule

Hoppy said:


The problem with the whole fact checking requirements is that some topics, particularly related to the CCP aren't covered by the MSM or worse, suppressed by them, but partisan outlets do cover them, I've said before some of these outlets have folks who support the CCP, that's why a story related to the CCP was not published on The Guardian.

RuneRem said:


I haven't watched that much anime lately, and I would comment a lot more if spoilers were felt with.

I didn't hide the dates, because why bother. Anime series is a fun board.

Auron_ said:


Where did I say they had CE? The reason for my saying it is that being able to argue politics in an obnoxious fashion was one of the few aspects that actually made MAL preferable to AL, with most other things being inferior to it. That was undermined with the Rule 7, which greatly curbed much of the topics for discussion with the justification that they're inflammatory, and you can see the effects of that very clearly. There was one technicality however, it was allowed as a "Current Event" as long as a reputable news source made an article on it recently. And that helped retain the spirit of the old MAL in some limited capacity. With that gone, there's really not many arguments one can make to keep the forumgoers who like the bloodsports online argumentation that they come to enjoy from here.

Also I wouldn't be that sure about CE being an extremely small portion of forum activity, since forum activity of MAL is extremely small nowadays to begin with. Extremely small part of an already extremely small sample becomes infinitesimally small.

Col Needham also mentioned in a post some months earlier that the boards received less income from ads, and that their members only made up a very small part of the website's visitors. The boards were costly to run due to the system's age and dated design, which did not make business sense.

Nobita-X said:

IMDB had a big message board and then in 2017 they just delete it.
It didn't seem to hurt them.
They're still #68 site with most traffic according to Alexa.

GamerDLM said:

Because even without going to extra step of checking your actual post history it's very obvious by just the screenshot you posted that you were being intentionally deceitful with your response. Like you took the time to crop out the search you did yet you left the dates, another dead giveaway.

traed said:

They cut off all "controversial" discussion including anime related topics now. First with rule 7 saying to take it to CE only when its a current event then shut down CE.. They didnt have the guts to make rules many forums have that specifically target hate groups causing problems.

Then we have Nyu (runerem in this thread now) who was responsible for most the racist threads and derailments who managed not be perma banned by sucking up with mods like NoLiferSoul. I recall seeing him say how he thought Nyu was a good or nice guy or something along those lines.

RuneRem said:
I forgot to mention you in my earlier post, CE was a lot of fun chatting with you over the years, and since the board is ending, it's important I mention all the regulars I had fun arguing with.

SemillaMinoria said:
I guess the pro vax vs anti vax threads is what finally did this place in. I don't understand why the pro vaxxers are so hostile. I've seen forum members who were usually very nice and calm get ugly over people who are skeptical about the covid vaccines. It's absurd.

RuneRem said:

I haven't seen NoLiferSoul say that, could you quote it?

NoLiferSoul said:


That was a discord chat in 2017-2018 when NiceThings kept harassing and insulting me daily over the timeframe of over 2 weeks. After she once again asked me to perma ban you without any reason provided I sarcastically answered her.
I don't think a lot of people on MAL even know the backstory or the unedited + non cherrypicked screenshots of that discord chat but it's whatever. People love to jump in conclusion and believe anything they see posted by a random alt as a hard fact.

Anyway, permanent bans are discussed with the whole team so even if it was possible to "suck up" to a mod to make him biased it wouldn't help you.

NoLiferSoul said:


That was a discord chat in 2017-2018 when NiceThings kept harassing and insulting me daily over the timeframe of over 2 weeks. After she once again asked me to perma ban you without any reason provided I sarcastically answered her.
I don't think a lot of people on MAL even know the backstory or the unedited + non cherrypicked screenshots of that discord chat but it's whatever. People love to jump in conclusion and believe anything they see posted by a random alt as a hard fact.

Anyway, permanent bans are discussed with the whole team so even if it was possible to "suck up" to a mod to make him biased it wouldn't help you.

Deathko said:

2017-2018 being the period where he was posting neo-nazis threads every week and calling for ethnic cleansing?

You guys gotta realize that over the years I saw many, many people leave this place in disgust over the failing moderation. I remember full well how this place was in 2016-2017 and the only reason polemics died down isn't because of you guys' moderation, but because you let the neo-nazis/meninists/homophobes CHASE other users away. There was less arguments about that shit than before not because of the rules you implemented, but because half the users with some decendy left long before any mod on mal ever considered the possibility that maybe having transphobes, antisemites, islamophobes and other hateful creeps gather here. I simply DO NOT have a single friend left of back then that survived seeing the same hateful kids come back again and again while decent people were banned for interacting with them, and most of them gave me the exact same reason: Place is full of the most hateful creeps and the moderation was either absent or very complacent towards them.

You can claim CE became too hard to moderate, but you guys let it turn that way by not scaring away the right population. Your refusal to deal with some of the cringiest parts of the fandom led to the cringiest becoming the norm around here. Current state of CE is MUCH MORE to blame onto moderation than it is to blame onto users. The solution you guys picked felt to everybody like it was encouraging hateful spam and discouraging opposing it.

I find it absolutely sad that this place is closing NOW, at a period where it's very soft, when MAL did absolutely nothing when CE was a breeding ground for hatred of women, jews, blacks, gays, trans, and pretty much everything you can think of. But now that we have two "anti-amerikan" users shit goes down lol.

The truth is, if you wanna get perma'd on MAL, making lolicon jokes is a safer and faster way to do it than calling for ethnic cleansing, claiming women are subhuman golddiggers, or starting a deus vult thread. Been there, done that, I'm sure you know exactly what I mean. I'm glad you guys are closing this place but honestly very saddened at how it went and why. I really want to think this is all an accident and mismanagement over the last 5-6 years, but it's really hard to do so.

deg said:

so ye they can totally copy what IMDB did with their forums

SemillaMinoria said:

@manaban? Would be interesting to know your thoughts as you are a big and deep thinker.

NoLiferSoul said:


He did get banned though. If you've paid attention to above he even stated that he was up to a perma ban within a very short amount of time from a clean record. In fact, I've had to ban him so often within a short amount of time that I had to ask other mods to take over his cases due to potential bias against him. The problem is him not openly talking about his bans previously and me not being allowed to give you any information of a ban that isn't yours, which made it look like he either wasn't banned while your friends were (as they were loud about the bans) or him being banned for a shorter amount of time than your friends due to it being his first offense. In reality, both sides were often banned as both sides insisted on insulting each other or creating threads / posts as you've mentioned.
I've also noticed that a lot of users tend to lie about what they were really banned for when talking about it on MAL so take that however you want.

Regarding your "lolicon joke ban" you're free to come to me via PMs or IRC if you'd like to discuss that (as this thread isn't about your or anybody else's ban). I know which one you mean but you've either misunderstood or remember it wrong. Claiming that a lolicon joke will get you a perma over "ethnic cleansing threads" however is straight up wrong.

For the period of 2016-2017 I'm afraid I can't give you any further information as I've joined late 2017.

The real question is whether we want to change the ban system to give out a permanent ban directly for certain offenses, which then again might also means your friends, you or anybody else will get a permanent ban sooner aswell for certain posts / threads.

traed said:

They cut off all "controversial" discussion including anime related topics now. First with rule 7 saying to take it to CE only when its a current event then shut down CE.. They didnt have the guts to make rules many forums have that specifically target hate groups causing problems. Oh and sure doesnt help they had the alt right (read cryptofascist) on staff which was exposed in a past incident involving editing an article about Nazi characters because it offended a staff member. Then we have Nyu (runerem in this thread now) who was responsible for most the racist threads and derailments who managed not be perma banned by sucking up with mods like NoLiferSoul. I recall seeing him say how he thought Nyu was a good or nice guy or something along those lines.

On April 30, 1945, Hitler committed suicide by gunshot, along with his wife Eva Braun who bit into a cyanide capsule. He is commonly associated with the rise of fascism in Europe, World War II, and the Holocaust.

Nazis are terrible.

It's unbelievable that even needs to be said. The evil of the Nazi regime should be obvious to everyone. In the 70-odd years since World War II, the Nazis have become Western culture's go-to example of real-world evil. Yet the dangers of hatred and bigotry have persisted, and a quick glance at the news will show more and more people are flaunting their hateful beliefs. So as the dangers of Nazism, fascism, and white supremacy threaten inclusivity, fairness, and democracy, let us repeat: Nazis are terrible.

Where evil exists, however, good people will always rise up and resist. We honor the Allied soldiers who fought in World War II, and in our fiction we find catharsis in the adventures of Captain America, Indiana Jones, and other characters who fight Nazis. For your catharsis, here are recommendations of 10 anime and manga about awesome people (and vampires, and robots...) who fight Nazis.

Yet the dangers of hatred and bigotry have persisted, and a quick glance at the news will show more and more people are flaunting their hateful beliefs.

So as the dangers of Nazism, fascism, and white supremacy threaten inclusivity, fairness, and democracy, let us repeat: Nazis are terrible.

SemillaMinoria said:
Oh good. I got banned in here a few times debating with racists. I still don't understand how so many racists went unpunished. I even unearthed a few profiles doing some detective work. The mods thanked me then asked me to take a step back because I was putting too much pressure on them.

I guess the pro vax vs anti vax threads is what finally did this place in. I don't understand why the pro vaxxers are so hostile. I've seen forum members who were usually very nice and calm get ugly over people who are skeptical about the covid vaccines. It's absurd.

@railey2 would you like to add a few words? I know that you also feel strongly about the way that these things have been handled on MAL.
@manaban? Would be interesting to know your thoughts as you are a big and deep thinker.
@mummykun @shinzo- You two always have great insights my Christian brothers.

Oh well, alls well that ends well, as they say. Problem is though - like many have already said - CD will become a merger from CE immigrants and refugees. (No offense to the real immigrants and refugees of the real world).

Manaban said:

good, CE was a fucking shithole

here's hoping that the old CE userbase doesn't pollute the other boards, and if they do then here's hoping the mods respond fast

Meusnier said:

AD is truly a better place.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1943696&show=0

MyJudgementIsBad said:
"Can you please let me ethnically cleanse you from my country? Thanks."

Manaban said:
Moderation here can be a joke, yeah, but not like everyone can just pack up and leave. AL in particular has made it perfectly clear they don't want people like me there through their very strict anti-ecchi rulesets that extend beyond just people who post social side and go over into people who don't interact and just list. You can't even put a card of a girl in a straightforward shot of a swimsuit on your profile without getting mod action'd over there - no fluids, no suggestive leaning or camera angles, nada. The two piece swimsuit was too much for one of my guys in H&E and warranted immediate reprimand. Nor can you put a shirtless guy, for that matter. One of the GFX groups we worked with that operates off of AL got mod action'd for that, too.

In the grander scheme of things, sure, it's worse to let neo-nazis and incels run around and spread their bile with a somewhat light touch and being so reliant on the established systems that you do not deviate from the paved road and respond appropriately when these people are exploiting said systems (which are very easy to exploit, I should note, since it literally just involves waiting a few months and you can get right back into it) - but fans like me don't exactly have an option outside of MAL. When some sites make it a point to systemically exclude and gatekeep fans of content that the site owners themselves dislike, the one that's relatively open to everyone is the only real option. It's the only reason I haven't let myself get permabanned in spite of how many bans I've eaten, tbh.

I feel like if you want MAL's moderation to be punished and to see them eat a more massive loss of users, their competitors would need to be more welcoming to entire fan demographics. We're not talking about political or social view stuff, either, it's pretty much what type of anime you like and if you're willing to express being a fan of that type of content. The loss of a few forum regulars on MAL won't really be able to counter the mass-gatekeeping policies that places like AL have. MAL's staff and rulesets are pretty welcoming towards all types of fans in comparison, and it's easier to predict them still coming out on top so long as they're the ones keeping the gates open for pretty much all fan demographics. Whether that'll be because of moderation or in spite of it is up for debate, but it's one of the most inclusive anime listing sites on that level, if not the most inclusive.

Manaban said:

I mean, if they deleted AD I would also be happy ngl, probably happier and more involved in the discussion than anything involving CE since my hatred of that board is way more personal

Only in the last few months when I stopped being so active and started focusing way more heavily on club stuff has that board not been a stresspit for me, but seeing it gone would still be worthy of a drink :)

Noboru said:
I haven't seen him say that, so I call that BS and defamation without proof

Meusnier said:

Having a look at the OP, they could replace "CE" by "CD" and almost everything would apply. It should not be too hard to stretch a little the arguments to delete AD too.

There are so many obvious things one could do in the fora here, like restricting the number of threads one can create (once a day in CD [the board is dead], once every two days in AD, and one a week in CE [so that it does not become the personal propaganda organ of a few users]). And also make a big list of banned words, not just "overrated" and ban those who create threads such as "X is better than Y!"

Meusnier said:


AD is truly a better place.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1943696&show=0

Meusnier said:
His ironic reply meant that however polite one is, that does not excuse them for phrasing certain hateful opinions. It does not matter if your murderer was polite with you.

_FRB_ said:


This is such a weird example that you keep harping on. No one in that thread is rude to each other, and they all remain on topic. It is such a bad look to use a thread whose only problem is the mere mention of Hitler, when there are certainly other threads that go to shit with people out right insulting each other. Shows your priorities.

Manaban said:

to be fair that thread title is so try-hard edgy and unfunny that just reading it probably shaved a year or so off of my life

_FRB_ said:


This is such a weird example that you keep harping on. No one in that thread is rude to each other, and they all remain on topic. It is such a bad look to use a thread whose only problem is the mere mention of Hitler, when there are certainly other threads that go to shit with people out right insulting each other. Shows your priorities.

Noboru said:
What is seen as "hateful opinions" is rather subjective. Plus, I've never had the impression that he expressed any form of hate towards any of the users. Which can't be said about other people interacting with him
Also, that last sentence " It does not matter if your murderer was polite with you" is a very unfit comparison
More like, the people complaining the loudest about such minor things tend to be the ones with mental issues. They read something, take it personal and regard the person saying anything they don't like to hear as the devil who is on to get them and then they over-react because of their own fear-complex

MyJudgementIsBad said:

Well he doesn't use that exact phrasing but that's what his posts imply. He has clearly stated that he doesn't want people from certain ethnic backgrounds in his country. Looking up threads he started on Casual Discussion, I have found a few gems:
Is Skyrim for the Nords (Translation: Is Europe for white people)
People of Colour and Diversity (White people are special because they have multiple eye colors)

Diversity Everywhere (Bitching about diversity in the media)
Should Nation-States advance to Superstates (Advocating for large states unified by race)
Here is a quote from this thread where he explicitly says "foreigners" should be deported "back to their own Nations".


why can't society question history (JAQing off about the Holocaust)
Double Standards (Complaining about the white proportions of the populations of America and Europe declining)
White Guilt (More complaining about immigrants)
Alternate History Thread/ German Victory in World War 2
America, a nation of immigrants (Bitching about nonwhite immigrants)
Idealism (More bitching about immigrants)

Meusnier said:
Ah yes, the subjectivity argument, that can lead you quite far I guess. Perhaps you do not see in his falsely neutral style the violence of what he says. But the above post should serve as a salutary reminder.

You are right, the comparison was not strong enough. As Napoléon probably never said: "I fear more three journals than ten thousands bayonets." Therefore, the responsibilities of those who write are enormous, and a pen can serve as a machine gun ("The pen is mightier than the sword").

The ones offended when they read Rebatet's Décombres must have been mentally ill.

Manaban said:
boo i wrote a massive textwall and don't even get a response

lame :<

Noboru said:


That's how I feel sometimes, but it can't be helped
Maybe he wanted to split his responses or just couldn't think of anything to say about your reply, yet

Meusnier said:

Priorities which are? The point is to make a parallel with the kind of threads that used to be posted here. But the rest of threads in AD is no better, half are about lolicons, and the other half about overrated anime or "Your favourite X."

Meusnier said:

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1943696&show=0

The thread is six days old and apparently, it is perfectly fine to discuss about Hitler's favourite anime. Such a discussion could not possibly become toxic.

Noboru said:
I do not see any form of violence at all

Nope, the comparison is too strong and sounds way too over-blown
And the context of that saying is completely off. A single person cannot cause any revolution like that

I don't get the reference, since I haven't read it

Manaban said:
boo i wrote a massive textwall and don't even get a response

lame :<

Manaban said:
@Deathko Yeah, that's fair. On my side, it's just either stay here and deal with that or go to AL just to immediately get snuffed out for being the wrong type of fan. My impression of CE as a barely active outsider has pretty much been that it's a haven for alt-right types anyway, which is the main reason I'm not fussed about seeing it go. Never liked people like Ryuk and Nyu and them. Ryuk especially bothers me because we goes around using a card we made for him at H&E as a profile picture :') Hell of an association to have.

You are right about a ton of regulars leaving specifically because of moderation, too. I know Pullman left for this reason, albeit based off of the discord server we share he's barely into anime anymore so I think it would've come eventually anyway. I know katsucats left for this reason, too, but Iunno if that's a good or bad thing since I was kind of torn on him.


Iunno. As far as I know, MAL staff don't have control over the code and functionality of the site, just the maintenance of it (moderation, database organization, et cetera.) This is probably the reason they still have to manually unban people instead of just putting it on a timer like literally everywhere else would. We'd be relying on a corporation to be willing to invest the dev resources and manpower to make a change to this site, which...y'know, doesn't seem like a reliable way to get a yes. Not that I'm eager to defend stuff they could control like stricter moderation in regards to CE's more prominent problem users, but functionality is something I'm not sure is something that seems like an easy solution considering the red tape issue regarding functionality always seemed like a legitimate issue they face, from my understanding of it. That's always been the impression I've gotten for stuff that required tech know how at least. Last I heard Kineta does staff some dude that did coding stuff, and that dude is also kind of enough to have DoXXed site users in the past. But I heard that years ago, so I don't know if that's even relevant anymore.

Honestly? Just be more willing to deviate from the stupid cooldown system when people start clearly exploiting it. That's what I'd suggest. It's a risk for me to even say that considering my position within that cooldown system, but y'know. It's just super easy to exploit. I've *done* it. It wouldn't require navigating any of the red tape with updating and changing functionality since it'd be handled by an internal restructuring, and it's just way easier to implement overall. Just be willing to leave things to a judgement call over when people are exploiting the system, since it tends to be fairly obvious once they get on the brink of a perma, vanish for 6 months, then come back and start doing the same shit. Strict legalism and refusal to deviate from systems to accommodate context in online community management like that is just kind of silly, imo. Strict legalism is good for national governments. Online forums and the like general can allow for more rule-by-arbitration. The only reason to run things in such a strictly legalistic way is to maintain the sanctity of site rules so there's some abstract concept they can abdicate responsibility to for making a judgement call within those rulesets, i.e. "Well, he broke the rules. It says right here this is the rules, and this is how that goes against the rules. There ya go."

This would also require hiring people who have context of the site community itself instead of bringing on dudes with like, 100 forum posts saying nothing of note who submitted an application. Which, honestly, the application system is probably the fundamental issue with this site's moderation anyway. 'Least from where I stand. Probably why they get so much dead weight, too. Personal selection and approach from community regulars deemed fit to function as a moderator is just what's always seemed to be the better approach to me overall. It's why H&E's staff are all community regulars and we don't have any staff apps. But, well, that'd also require a judgement selection with nothing to abdicate responsibility to in case things go wrong ("Their application looked good, though!"), and I feel like the MAL staff in general is really big on maintaining safety nets like that. Which given how ubiquitous that keeping up those safety nets tend to be in all areas of how things are staffed, the very conservative safety-net style approach is probably favored up at the very top, i.e. Kineta, Luna, whoever. Prolly Kineta since it always seemed like Kineta was numero uno. Which I'm not in favor of getting rid of Kineta at all since I know for a fact she's a big reason ecchi fans like me continue to have a home here, so I'd be willing to endure :) Same with Ardy and NoLifer in this thread, actually. I like having them around too. Safer for ecchi fans and ensures MAL doesn't go the AL route.

Manaban said:
then you fight me, nerdboru

Milzol said:
why is this still open? is it not already friday in japan?

Noboru said:
lol, I'm not up for it. Besides, it looks like Meusnier has responded to you


@Meusnier: It's still off to compare a random forum user with someone in an actual influential position

I don't know about that author, but if his book is similar to Mein Kampf, then that's far, far away from Nyu/RuneRem's postings


@RuneRem: I didn't know about that scene, but you might wanna put it in a spoiler as a link with a "NSFM" tag. I and many others can handle that type of graphic depiction, but there might be more sensitive people here

And Meusnier apparently just doesn't like you or is secretly tsundere for you, so who knows 😉

Daggerfall is the best.



I have never completed stormcloaks, although I sympathize with them.

@BallistikJuice

It seems that Indigo Gaming left that developer team in awhile ago in 2020, so it seems the game might be doomed. However ES6 looks like it might be inspired by Daggerfall. If it comes out between 2024-2026, that would be around the time of the 30th anniversary of Daggerfall.

I just hope Bethesda has learned from Fallout 76, that was completely disappointing, I was hoping for a modern New Vegas. They should stop streamlining everything and make a fully fledged RPG game. I want to build a house, sail the seas, be a Jarl (own a kingdom), choose between being a commoner or aristocrat, have an occupation, a fantasy race system that has actual effects rather than petty frost resistance or magic buffs, Vampire and werewolf clans, many followers at the same time (in Skyrim I have Serena and Alea), options between incapacitating or killing enemies, have a well distinguished class system, a proper crime system- so if items on a npc go missing they might call the guards and they would check your inventory, or if a npc has died and nobody saw who killed them, the guards will check everybody's weapons if they had blood on them (this could be blood of bandits or animals and they could go to jail despite innocence, and if that the player character and npcs were in the are/city at the time. I want a game that doesn't end after it is released, but is improved upon for for at least 5 years.

I have always wanted a single player version of Runescape, and that is what Daggerfall is, and the Elder Scrolls should return to it's roots.

RuneRem said:
Thanks for the notice, I should've realised that skyrim gameplay was a bit too much Anakin-Count Dooku.