| After seeing multiple threads in Anime Discussion, that the first world war was started by Serbia. So who do you think caused the first world war? Serbia, Austria, Russia? |
RuneRemMar 20, 2024 5:14 PM
| i think they were real, but less jews died than 6 million, that number seems a little absurd when you think of all the effort that had to go in. even then it's still a little improbable. |
 Oh maybe, maybe it's the clothes we wear The tasteless bracelets and the dye in our hair Or maybe, maybe it's our nowhere towns or our nothing places But we're trash, you and me We're the litter on the breeze We're the lovers on the streets Just trash, me and you It's in everything we do It's in everything we do |
| Serbia did cause the death of the archduke Ferdinand, but then again Austria made too many demands, & Germany has responsibility for mobilising it's army. |
RuneRemMar 20, 2024 5:17 PM
| Sure the Holocaust did happen, but it seems the estimated number of jewish causalities was exaggerated beyond proportions. https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005161 |
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| What. What is this thread where people question the holocaust? I cannot comprehend it. The gas chambers definitely existed. I don't know anything about people's skin being used as lampshades though |
iSpadeFeb 20, 2018 5:41 PM
| But saying Serbia is the only factor in the war is just wrong. France was still upset over Alsace being annexed in 1870s & Germany was concerned about Russian economic & military competition. |
RuneRemMar 20, 2024 5:22 PM
| A Nazi sympathizer will tell you it's to protect the narrative of the oppressed Jew. There are substantial arguments that far less Jews died than the official accounts insinuate, and we don't actually have a definitive number. As they realized the war was lost, the Nazis destroyed a lot of evidence that could be found useful. That being said, does it really matter whether 6 million or 3 million Jews were killed*? You don't relocate that many people with the best intentions in mind. *that's not even counting the millions of others who died in the concentration camps |
| Signature is too edgy for me. |
| a conspiracy so deep, millions of families worldwide are doubling down on maintaining the lie... |
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| Doubting the Holocaust is like doubting the Civil War, it's a well documented part of history...you'd have to be a total buffoon to do so. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| America mostly criticized the first world war. |
RuneRemMar 20, 2024 5:24 PM
Nyu said: Gan_water said: Doubting the Holocaust is like doubting the Civil War, it's a well documented part of history...you'd have to be a total buffoon to do so. Certain areas of the Holocaust are well documented, other areas are not. Nyu I've got a feeling you're 'not seeing' the big picture here :V |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| It's not even just concentration camps, you even try to question how many genders there are in the world on twitter, and everyone will attack you. |
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| These guys are just Naziing the big picture, I tell you what. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
Nyu said: Kmolson said: A Nazi sympathizer will tell you it's to protect the narrative of the oppressed Jew. There are substantial arguments that far less Jews died than the official accounts insinuate, and we don't actually have a definitive number. As they realized the war was lost, the Nazis destroyed a lot of evidence that could be found useful. That being said, does it really matter whether 6 million or 3 million Jews were killed*? You don't relocate that many people with the best intentions in mind. *that's not even counting the millions of others who died in the concentration camps Wait, so it was 3 million Jews, not 6 million Jews, where is the source for that. That's not what I meant. We do not have substantial evidence that specifically 6 million Jews died throughout the holocaust. That number [6 million] is a high estimate. What I'm saying is that we can argue over the details, but in the end the overarching narrative will not change (that is million of Jews, Poles, ect. were relocated to concentration camps, and a good portion of them were killed off). |
-Krouton-Feb 20, 2018 6:48 PM
| Signature is too edgy for me. |
leonardobarba said: Why question Concentration Camps and the Holocaust if there is enough evidence to support them? because the OP worships the nazi ideology and wants to justify it. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
hazarddex said: No, no. He worships nazi "culture".leonardobarba said: Why question Concentration Camps and the Holocaust if there is enough evidence to support them? because the OP worships the nazi ideology and wants to justify it. Totally different. Totally. |
People need to stop. When they deny the holocaust happened, history may repeat itself |
he was being sarcastic. although it is hard to tell on the internet |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Gan_water said: Doubting the Holocaust is like doubting the Civil War, it's a well documented part of history...you'd have to be a total buffoon to do so. Its basically a conspiracy theory that comes out of a hatred of jewish people. It starts small with saying jewish people run banks etc then as they go down the rabbit hole further that ends with the holocaust being faked. Youve got to hate really hard to blame victims of genocide of instead trying make a massive hoax up. |
| “we all live with the objective of being happy, our lives are all different and yet the same.” |
Can't repeat history if it never happened in the first place.  |
| Signature is too edgy for me. |
see that is what i am pretty sure the holocaust deniers want. so they can do it again. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| I would say Serbia & Austria caused the first world war. |
RuneRemMar 20, 2024 5:32 PM
| Why I'm not surprised, yesterday someone (a very talented troll) said that the school shootings were done by "Nonexistent" people. Are you really a Christian Nyu? |
149597871Feb 20, 2018 7:17 PM
149597871 said: Why I'm not surprised, yesterday someone (a very talented troll) said that the school shooting were done by "Nonexistent" people. Are you really a Christian Nyu? no hes not he clearly doesn't subscribe to love thy neighbor. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: 149597871 said: Why I'm not surprised, yesterday someone (a very talented troll) said that the school shooting were done by "Nonexistent" people. Are you really a Christian Nyu? no hes not he clearly doesn't subscribe to love thy neighbor. So you mean the bible doesn't say something like: "Love thy neighbor but only if he is white (and straight)". It surprises me because sometimes when he is trolling (which is most likely the case in this thread) he is using arguments I'm quite familiar with (sadly). |
149597871 said: Why I'm not surprised, yesterday someone (a very talented troll) said that the school shootings were done by "Nonexistent" people. Are you really a Christian Nyu? I'm confused, could you explain further. Also, I'm not a Christian. |
149597871 said: So you mean the bible doesn't say something like: "Love thy neighbor but only if he is white". It surprises me because sometimes when he is trolling (which is most likely the case in this thread) he is using arguments I'm quite familiar with (sadly). no it just says love thy neighbor i was raised in a christian family and being nice was how i was raised. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Nyu said: Tythoid said: Its basically a conspiracy theory that comes out of a hatred of jewish people. It starts small with saying jewish people run banks etc then as they go down the rabbit hole further that ends with the holocaust being faked. Youve got to hate really hard to blame victims of genocide of instead trying make a massive hoax up. Being skeptical of history does not mean you hate anyone, skepticism is reasonable, everyone should be skeptical of media outlets because of bias. Also, just like men like to go into the military,and women like to go into nursing, there is historical fact that Jews were very good at banking,there is a reason they are a very successful group of people. Skepticism is healthy but this specific issue of genocide? Right of all of the stories within history you pick this one because your totally unbiased and you just closed your eyes and picked a random word out of the dictionary and it randomly landed on holocaust? Your motives painfully obvious to anyone and im insulted that you would quote me with some weak rebuke. |
| “we all live with the objective of being happy, our lives are all different and yet the same.” |
| The first world war completely changed the world. Countries that previously used few taxes, increased them immensely to pay for the war. |
RuneRemMar 20, 2024 5:37 PM
| MAL enjoys conspiracy bullshit? I've been taught about the concentration camps and stuff. I'll go with that. If you want to prove it wrong, better start trying to real harder evidence now, and probably an anime forum would not be the best place. |
Nyu said: After seeing multiple threads in Anime Discussion, that were questioning some elements of the Concentration Camps, I thought, lets have an honest discussion about the Concentration Camps. I have heard some people question whether the gas chambers were real, and there is evidence that some Nazis were coerced into false confessions. 1. Anime discussion is meant for discussing Anime, not real world events. 2. Reason people don't talk about it is there are MANY historical videos, documents, pictures, and people that can tell you right now "It all happened!" Yes, there were Germans that made the claim, but most say it just get out of being punished for it. Whether you were you were forced to do it or not, you still had the choice to pull the trigger. Yeah they probably would've killed you, but you still had that choice, so now regardless if you were coerced or not, you own up to it. There's honestly NOTHING to debate about it. You can FIND EVERYTHING on the internet, in numerous libraries, there are countless Jews that suffered through WW2 and are still alive TODAY. Even Germany doesn't want to talk about it anymore, they are sick of people talking about it and for once the Jews agree with them. It happened. Facts don't change cause other people disagree. There is no conspiracy, there was greater power at work here, it was just evil men doing evil things. It happened. And one of those people that claimed coercion? Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's right-hand man. |
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Tythoid said: Gan_water said: Doubting the Holocaust is like doubting the Civil War, it's a well documented part of history...you'd have to be a total buffoon to do so. Its basically a conspiracy theory that comes out of a hatred of jewish people. It starts small with saying jewish people run banks etc then as they go down the rabbit hole further that ends with the holocaust being faked. Youve got to hate really hard to blame victims of genocide of instead trying make a massive hoax up. Yeah and many old Nazis have gone to their deathbed denying any wrongdoing, to the extent of denying the Holocaust. It's just their style. Seems like they enjoy the illusion that all of human history is under their power. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| I've not seen hard evidence of gas chambers, not even a single Nazi document mentioning them. That is pretty staggering coordination. I don't see what separates it from other claims made at the time regarding lampshades, soap, electric floors etc. that are now admitted to have been made up. Maybe they existed, but I would just have to be presented with the evidence. Either way, Jews were persecuted and it was wrong, just as the communist atrocities, the US nuking of Japan and the US and UK concentration camps were wrong. |
| I knew it was another Nyu thread as soon as I saw the title. You never cease to amaze/amuse me GJ, Nyu. |
| ~ Nas, The "OG Bulgarian"~ Formerly known as: ~ Gokuvich, The "OG Bulgarian"~  |
| I see MAL's favorite resident nazi Nyu is @ it again |
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| I'm just leaving this here. George Santayana: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. |
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| How tasteless and hypocritical. No wonder people don't want to entertain your questions, you are obviously keen on being ignorant. |
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| Of course they were real. I had to visit 2 different concentration camps during my time in school. My grandmother even saw the inmates on their death march when she was a kid. |
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Nyu said: Rarusu_ said: Simply because it's a very taboo subject and still pretty close in time. We can't look at WWII with sober eyes just yet. But I do think concentration camps very much was a reality. My Great Grandfather helped a Polish man who had escaped one of those camps. I think it's fantastically far fetched to believe that somehow CIA sent him to convince my GGF that concentration camps were a thing. The Concentration Camps were real, the thread is about certain elements of the Holocaust though, because at Nuremburg, you had people testifying that peoples skin was being used to make lampshades. Now that's just ludicrous. Gas chambers were made because soldiers were being demoralized after shooting people. Regressing to skinning corpses wouldn't make much sense. |
| It warms my heart seeing this many people unify against holocaust deniers ^^ |
| The economic effects of the first world war lasted decades. |
RuneRemMar 20, 2024 5:41 PM
| @Nyu Nazis aren't cool, the holocaust happened, deal with it. |
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| Some Aspects go wrong with such Topics: 1) There are People, who cannot understand what the Words actually mean and misuse them. From there, a commonly shared Shortening or respectively: Amendment has been made: e.g.:
2) "Revisionism" has been used by some as an euphemistic Expression for not believing (wholly) in the Holocaust. From not believing the Numbers to thinking that the Deaths were a Result of not being able to tread some wide-spread Sickness of quarantined People to outright denying the Holcaust: there are various Levels. Regardless of that, I don't see any Point in Questioning the Shoah, however, I would welcome it if German History and the German-Jewish/Israeli Relations weren't reduced just on this Topic. |
| I mean it's fine to ask questions. But there are a couple ground rules with this specific topic that most people who tend to question it seem to ignore or glaze over. 1. It doesn't matter specifically how many millions of people died because it is universally agreed upon that there were indeed millions killed. It doesn't matter if it's 6 million Jewish people or 4 million it doesn't make the Nazi's any less scum. I would say that is something anybody who wants to question the semantics has to make clear or they are no better than an outright denier. It's basically the difference between "I'm interested in the logistics of how this historical event took place" vs. "I just want to make the Nazi's look better by saying 'look they may have been bad but they weren't killing 6 million Jews bad'" 2. Even if you question semantics like how they killed that many people again the same rule applies you should actively condemn them for doing the killing in the first place because whether they gassed or shot or starved people doesn't diminish the fact that they actively participated in a genocide. Failure to do the simple task of condemning them invites everyone else to rightly call that person ignorant, racist, a Nazi sympathizer, an idiot, etc. Because at that point they are, I mean you even presented your opening post as hearsay both referencing a thread you didn't directly reference as well as tacking on the idea "well the Nazi's may have been forced into a confession" with minimal context. |
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