| Rule 7 is an absolute killer. Luna said: Controversial/sensitive topics liable to incite rule violations (trolling, flaming, abuse) are no longer allowed. Please use the Current Events board for new developments in these topics, and follow the board rules there. This includes, but is not limited to, topics which: a. aim to profile/stereotype, or question the legitimacy of, people based on their gender, sexual orientation, race, xenophobia, religion, etc. b. discuss highly-debated social issues; e.g. abortion, sexual assault, immigration, etc. c. focus on political ideologies and events; e.g. Nazism, fascism, world leaders, controversial laws/lobbies, etc. Usually the idea is that heated discussions should get moderated as they happen, with derogatory comments being removed IF they happen. If you ban controversial topics outright that's basically like an admission of failure: You don't trust your mod team enough to keep discussions clean, so you ban discussion itself. Or a good part of it anyway. You're not trying to keep it clean by intervening when it's necessary, you keep it clean by taking it all and throwing it in the trash, good parts included. Like you're trying to prevent a forest fire, so you go ahead and burn the whole forest down yourself. At least there won't be any fires in the future, because theres no forest left that could catch on fire! It's such a shame too. I remember the MAL forums as a place where everyone was free to give their opinions, a place where you could clash with others as you pleased, as long as you didn't throw insults around left and right. Not anymore, I guess. Subforums like this thrive on controversy, it's what gets people talking and what keeps them interested. And it's not only Casual Discussion, take a look at this Current Events thread: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1724655 apparently too controversial, because it is tangentially related to race. Actually let me take that back, it's really not about race at all, it's about free speech, school administrations and what powers they should possess. So not only did the mod team give up on doing actual moderation where they single out posts and users and punish them individually, they also don't enforce the destructive rules that they set properly. I just came back to the forums but if this is gonna keep going I am probably going to leave again. This is not what forum culture should be like. It's just not interesting enough. If I wanted this sort of shit, I'd just go to forum games instead. Discuss. And make sure not to mention anything related to sex, gender, race, immigration, feminism, any other ideology (if you're unsure what that entails, consult this list), anything related to politics at all I guess, abortion, also no religion talk allowed clearly, and so on. I am 7 years old, please respect my safe space. I'm starting to feel threatened, all of you are offending me with your... arguments. Actually, don't discuss on here. No discussion allowed. I will ban all of you and delete every thread that's not about little cute kittens. |
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| Look, take it as smaller evil ... if i were a mod i would ban people for almost anything. I would even ban some mods. |
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| Mate, doesn't matter how many times you complain, MAL will never accept users's feedback. I totally agree that MAL moderation is inconsest, because it IS. They thinking that that implenting new rules would solve something... |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
| I completely agree. This is so dumb. But the mods don't have to do any work now so they win. |
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Swagernator said: Look, take it as smaller evil ... if i were a mod i would ban people for almost anything. I would even ban some mods. And you're still going to rename Casual Discussion to Swagernator's Dictatorship? I'd have to jump in that and form an alliance with ya. We will make MAL great again (☭ ͜ʖ ☭) OT: The MAL guys there don't give a fuck about this. We can't really do anything about this. |
NasApr 25, 2018 1:44 PM
| ~ Nas, The "OG Bulgarian"~ Formerly known as: ~ Gokuvich, The "OG Bulgarian"~  |
| Think its time people who don't like it either move on or accept it. Discussing this kind of stuff publicy doesn't do much and probably won't benefit you in anyway. |
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dehuman said: well that's reasonable enough, but the best solution they could come up with was (to stick to the analogy) to burn the whole forest down? I can't believe that. It's just incompetent.i agree that controversial topics should be allowed as long as people do not become toxic insulting each other all the time answer by a mod on another thread https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1723982 moderator said: I'm glad to see support for the new rules. We've been working on them for months now trying to solve the mess in CE/CD. There was so much shit going on and people looking up stupid articles on random websites just to push their political agenda. I won't name names, but we can all think of a few people who did this a lot. We've had so many threads lately of people cherry-picking one incident and then acting like the entire race/religion or whatever is to blame. This isn't some leftist thing btw. Extreme left threads aren't allowed either. Equality they want to prevent anecdotal incidents that overgeneralizes groups of people |
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| MAL rarely makes a good/smart change. That should be common knowledge. They also do not give a single shit about any opinion their user base has on said changes. |
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| they need to make it more family friendly pg clean for whoever they're going to shill off next. also mods are literal shit at their job so i don't know what you expect. i mean, they aren't getting paid so they don't take it seriously. putting a few exclamation points next to your message? INSTANT BAN! HORRIBLE OFFENSE! actual racist and offensive behavior? nah that's fine lol |
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Veneficia said: This.The new mods are gay and mal is getting more popular; there's new revenue stream coming in so they don't want to jeopardize that with a Nazi thread. That's just how the cookie crumbles, friend. Xinil sold MAL out to make money selling manga, probably partly because everyone uses adblockers nowadays. As such, he has to cater to normies to be profitable so freedom of speech goes out the window. I don't like it either but it's just the way it is; this site is still useful as a backlog. |
Lost_VikingApr 25, 2018 2:21 PM
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| Ok, here we go... Railey2 said: Usually the idea is that heated discussions should get moderated as they happen, with derogatory comments being removed IF they happen. If you ban controversial topics outright that's basically like an admission of failure: You don't trust your mod team enough to keep discussions clean, so you ban discussion itself. Or a good part of it anyway. The problem is that every single thread that was even remotely controversial has ended in flame wars. Almost no exception. It's also not just a couple users, it's a lot. They don't directly break rules, yet everything turns into a shit show. It's not an admission of failure, it's us trying to stop the problem at the source. You're not trying to keep it clean by intervening when it's necessary, you keep it clean by taking it all and throwing it in the trash, good parts included. Like you're trying to prevent a forest fire, so you go ahead and burn the whole forest down yourself. At least there won't be any fires in the future, because theres no forest left that could catch on fire! We've been doing that for years now, but lately it's just become impossible. What good parts do you mean? You can still make threads about controversial topics, just make sure it's of significance and has a reliable source. So no propaganda websites or whatever other kind of biased sites. It's not burning down the whole forest, it's banning all the tools that can create sparks to prevent the fires from happening in the first place. It's such a shame too. I remember the MAL forums as a place where everyone was free to give their opinions, a place where you could clash with others as you pleased, as long as you didn't throw insults around left and right. Not anymore, I guess. Subforums like this thrive on controversy, it's what gets people talking and what keeps them interested. You can still do this though. I won't deny that controversy is popular, but controversial doesn't need to be racism or other types of sensitive topics that really shouldn't have any place on an anime forum. And it's not only Casual Discussion, take a look at this Current Events thread: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1724655 apparently too controversial, because it is tangentially related to race. Actually let me take that back, it's really not about race at all, it's about free speech, school administrations and what powers they should possess. So not only did the mod team give up on doing actual moderation where they single out posts and users and punish them individually, they also don't enforce the destructive rules that they set properly. You know that thread will turn into a race war. It has done that for nearly every single race related thread. Yes, it is about race. What rule isn't enforced properly here? I just came back to the forums but if this is gonna keep going I am probably going to leave again. This is not what forum culture should be like. It's just not interesting enough. If I wanted this sort of shit, I'd just go to forum games instead. /r/politics As a bit of a final note: This is an anime forum. We don't need these kind of topics. If you want to tell everyone how awesome your political views are or how bad you hate [insert race/gender/whatever] here, do that somewhere else. I'm off to bed now, so don't get mad if I don't reply for a while |
Ardanaz said: As a bit of a final note: This is an anime forum. We don't need these kind of topics. Then we'd better get rid of CE and CD, because last time I checked, we're not supposed to talk about Anime in those sections. |
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| I used to moderate a forum maybe 5-6 years ago, and it is a thankless job. you check the reports, you look at the new posts, you read and you read and you read. so much of your time devoted to reading dumb shit that kids type in broken english. you "do your job", you get rid of trolly/rule-breaking posts and people give you shit for it. "FREE SPEECH UNDER ATTACK!" as if free speech laws apply to an internet forum in the first place.. my opinion on this new rule being implemented, sure it will get rid of some of the more funny threads from CD, but at the same time I feel bad for the forum moderators who are forced to read through all this dumb shit. I'll read like 3 or 4 comments on these threads and close the tab, these guys (I assume) read pages and pages of this stuff. CD has a tendency to shit out the same thread, over and over, almost daily. "is it bad being white?" "is being bad white?" "man bad?" "feminism is what?" "is racism sexist? is sexism gay?" man, I'm tired just typing this out. +1 to the moderators, and I hope CD posters will step their shitposting game up, transcend past the race bait threads, become funny. |
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complice said: This. I've seen countless times when a post clearly violates rules, gets reported and nothing happens to it and surprise surprise, the user who violated the rules is friends with atleast one mod. Or shit, they're mods themselves. Plus, there's documented evidence of mod favoritism. LOL OF COURSE ITS BIASED. if you are friends with mods/have supporter on mal you get a no ban card. cite: me Seiya said: Also this. Just limit the forums to anime/manga/japanese game discussion only if "This is an anime forum" is your excuse.Ardanaz said: As a bit of a final note: This is an anime forum. We don't need these kind of topics. Then we'd better get rid of CE and CD, because last time I checked, we're not supposed to talk about Anime in those sections. |
ThrashMattoApr 25, 2018 2:47 PM
 I love Christine "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. He will put some things behind, will pass an invisible boundary; In proportion as he simplifies his life, the laws of the universe will appear less complex, and solitude will not be solitude, nor poverty poverty, nor weakness weakness." - Henry David Thoreau |
complice said: LOL OF COURSE ITS BIASED. if you are friends with mods/have supporter on mal you get a no ban card. cite: me This is a real ass statement. I completely agree with this. |
| ~ Nas, The "OG Bulgarian"~ Formerly known as: ~ Gokuvich, The "OG Bulgarian"~ |
| I think they just killed the casual discussion or current events boards but i dont give a fuck because them shits are stupid. but i wouldnt be surprised if mods would ban talking about anime. you can expect anything |
| @complice @ThrashMatto @Nas @Neane93 So are MAL's leftists and rightists going to put aside their differences and unite in a coup against the mods? Sounds like a plan! (if you're a mod, pretend you didn't see this) |
Lost_VikingApr 25, 2018 2:58 PM
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Lost_Viking said: @complice @ThrashMatto @Nas @Neane93 So are MAL's leftists and rightists going to put aside their differences and unite in a coup against the mods? You know what they say, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." So sounds like a plan! (if you're a mod, pretend you didn't see this) Bruh, I don't even have enemies here. (actually I probably do, but I give 0 fucks about them) |
| ~ Nas, The "OG Bulgarian"~ Formerly known as: ~ Gokuvich, The "OG Bulgarian"~ |
nicethings said: The documented evidence I'm referring to are screenshots from a private discussions between mods.SnugglyWhuggly said: the moderation is indeed very inconsistent, some threads and users will get removed/banned while others will post pretty much the same stuff and receive no repercussions. I've literally been given a warning for so much as calling someone who claimed transgenders shouldn't be treated as human an "asshole", when I've posted stuff in the past that even I'll admit broke the rules, but I never got in trouble for it. I definitely agree with this. Another problem that arose recently since the introduction of the "supporter" plan (AHEM) is the increased commercialization of the site. The commercialization has put the site on a downward spiral in terms of quality overall, especially with those ugly banners that us Adblock users have to re-filter every time there's a damn updated. This all mainly started with the legal streaming links that are shown on the respective entries for certain anime series. I for one find this to be a completely useless corporate sellout that wastes bandwidth and probably part of the reason why MAL started e-begging in the first place. Nobody asked for this, nobody wanted it, and it was a completely useless idea. Same goes for the "manga store" and any other desperate corporate tie-ins. While I was a member of the Crunchyroll forum for years, I never had to see them advertise themselves too excessively in my face because they didn't directly integrate ads into the site that I could see e-begging for my money, nor did they have those annoying top banners that I had to block, and CR by all means is more soulless and corporate overall, but at least they attempt to be subtle by comparison. MAL has not been subtle about its forceful transition into advertiser pandering territory, and its pleas for our cash, and has not made any viable improvements that warrant giving the site as as a whole any money. Now if they really needed the money, they could start a Patreon or something akin to that that's a "donation" pool, completely independent from altering the site itself or forcing these corporate tie ins on the people who are mostly here for the forums and listing sections. ThrashMatto said: This. I've seen countless times when a post clearly violates rules, gets reported and nothing happens to it and surprise surprise, the user who violated the rules is friends with atleast one mod. Or shit, they're mods themselves. Plus, there's documented evidence of mod favoritism. actually, MAL supporter isn't a cop out. There was an instance of a (presumably now no longer active) user who was banned for being racist despite his being a MAL supporter. I will agree that bias does exist within the staff as a community, however. Mashmakhan said: Nobody is forcing the moderators to do anything, it's voluntary. Don't like being a mod? Don't do it. Calling it a "thankless job" is a joke.I feel bad for the forum moderators who are forced to read through all this dumb shit. Lost_Viking said: I refuse to discuss "coups". I will however say that, as a centrist, that a broad and united front that transcends political ideology and is based around common principles is how things get done. @complice @ThrashMatto @Nas @Neane93 So are MAL's leftists and rightists going to put aside their differences and unite in a coup against the mods? Sounds like a plan! (if you're a mod, pretend you didn't see this) Lastly, in response to the example thread, it falls within the new rules as acceptable. It has a neutral title, the OP doesn't state an opinion one way or the other and it sources the Washington Post which is credible. The mod team is using the new rule as a big club to strike down whatever they personally don't like. This just continues to confirm what people have said for a long time. Preemptively closing it because you don't want to properly moderate individual users isn't going after the source, it doesn't do that at all. The source is the individual user. All this does is demonstrate either the complete ineptitude, laziness or bias of the mod team. Take your pick. Preemptively banning a thread because you're scared it'll turn into a "race war" is asinine. Go after the users that turn it into the "race war", not the users who are actually trying to have a discussion. |
ThrashMattoApr 25, 2018 3:11 PM
I love Christine "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. He will put some things behind, will pass an invisible boundary; In proportion as he simplifies his life, the laws of the universe will appear less complex, and solitude will not be solitude, nor poverty poverty, nor weakness weakness." - Henry David Thoreau |
Mashmakhan said: Having known mods on MAL and a few other sites. It really is a brutal job, with all the crap they have to go through.I used to moderate a forum maybe 5-6 years ago, and it is a thankless job. you check the reports, you look at the new posts, you read and you read and you read. so much of your time devoted to reading dumb shit that kids type in broken english. you "do your job", you get rid of trolly/rule-breaking posts and people give you shit for it. "FREE SPEECH UNDER ATTACK!" as if free speech laws apply to an internet forum in the first place.. |
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nicethings said: Nas said: Bruh, I don't even have enemies here. (actually I probably do, but I give 0 fucks about them) I do have them, but I'm like Blair Waldorf, so everyone lowkey loves me, including the haters. And I am the "OG Bulgarian". The only one in fact. And everyone probably lowkey hates me and wants to smoke me or beat me up. I will probably end up becoming the "most hated man on MAL". |
| ~ Nas, The "OG Bulgarian"~ Formerly known as: ~ Gokuvich, The "OG Bulgarian"~ |
ThrashMatto said: Mashmakhan said: Nobody is forcing the moderators to do anything, it's voluntary. Don't like being a mod? Don't do it. Calling it a "thankless job" is a joke.I feel bad for the forum moderators who are forced to read through all this dumb shit. isn't one of the problems at the moment a lack of forum mods? and because there is a lack of moderation, they are implementing these catch-all rules? it may not be a job but it is thankless, and this may be a reason so few people want to mod. |
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Mashmakhan said: There's other things you can do to attract forum mods besides everyone bulletining when they say thank you. Catch-all rules to sterilize the forum does nothing but stifle discussion when there were already rules in place that dealt with the specific behavior that was the cause of the toxicity. Yes, more and quite frankly better mods would help create a better forum environment but these new rules do absolutely nothing to solve the issues this forum faces.ThrashMatto said: Nobody is forcing the moderators to do anything, it's voluntary. Don't like being a mod? Don't do it. Calling it a "thankless job" is a joke. isn't one of the problems at the moment a lack of forum mods? and because there is a lack of moderation, they are implementing these catch-all rules? it may not be a job but it is thankless, and this may be a reason so few people want to mod. Want to bring in more mods and have things be more constructive as a result? Insensitive people becoming mods. MAL has the supporter program and is partnered with companies to sell merch and has advertising on the site. You can't honestly tell me that the corporation can't throw a few bucks towards moderators, make it an actual job. If they aren't willing to do that, which they should be considering the state of the forums probably affects revenue, then have the mods be on rotating duties if CD/CE are causing such stress and issues for the mods that specifically moderate these two boards, cycle out mods so no one mod gets too overwhelmed. These are constructive steps, amongst i'm sure others, that could have been taken but instead they decided to press the panic button. |
ThrashMattoApr 25, 2018 3:26 PM
I love Christine "If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours. He will put some things behind, will pass an invisible boundary; In proportion as he simplifies his life, the laws of the universe will appear less complex, and solitude will not be solitude, nor poverty poverty, nor weakness weakness." - Henry David Thoreau |
Lost_Viking said: If this is to end in fire,@complice @ThrashMatto @Nas @Neane93 So are MAL's leftists and rightists going to put aside their differences and unite in a coup against the mods? Sounds like a plan! (if you're a mod, pretend you didn't see this)  In all seriousness, I think the mods should roll with their decision for a while and see how it goes. Maybe after things calm down a bit, there can be a reasonable compromise. I'm not quite as bothered because I'm used to far stricter forum boards. When I was a prominent regular on Runescape's, there was a zero tolerance policy against political & religious discussions. Even so, the atmosphere and community were exponentially more vitriolic than MAL could ever hope to achieve with 1,000 Nazi threads. Ironically they ended the rule a while back and from what I've seen, their political discussions are far more civil than here. |
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| Part A of that rule is all right, but Parts B and C are ridiculous, lol. You're suddenly not allowed to discuss anything relating to politics or ideology because it's "controversial"? What is this, some sort of daycare or high school classroom? I mean, I sort of see where the mods are coming from given that some users (especially in CE) are just outright racists or conspiracy nuts, but I feel like it would be better to deal with those users specifically instead of instituting a blanket ban on anything "controversial." |
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complice said: LOL OF COURSE ITS BIASED. if you are friends with mods/have supporter on mal you get a no ban card. cite: me That's not true at all though. I have mal supporter and am a mod on their discord and if I mess up, my superiors will tell me and I have zero doubt if I posted hentai on this forum @Ardanaz would ban me. |
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ThrashMatto said: Mashmakhan said: There's other things you can do to attract forum mods besides everyone bulletining when they say thank you. Catch-all rules to sterilize the forum does nothing but stifle discussion when there were already rules in place that dealt with the specific behavior that was the cause of the toxicity. Yes, more and quite frankly better mods would help create a better forum environment but these new rules do absolutely nothing to solve the issues this forum faces.isn't one of the problems at the moment a lack of forum mods? and because there is a lack of moderation, they are implementing these catch-all rules? it may not be a job but it is thankless, and this may be a reason so few people want to mod. Want to bring in more mods and have things be more constructive as a result? Insensitive people becoming mods. MAL has the supporter program and is partnered with companies to sell merch and has advertising on the site. You can't honestly tell me that the corporation can't throw a few bucks towards moderators, make it an actual job. If they aren't willing to do that, which they should be considering the state of the forums probably affects revenue, then have the mods be on rotating duties if CD/CE are causing such stress and issues for the mods that specifically moderate these two boards, cycle out mods so no one mod gets too overwhelmed. These are constructive steps, amongst i'm sure others, that could have been taken but instead they decided to press the panic button. yes, I am not a fan of rule changes like these, I am just sympathizing with the mods. I thought I'd offer the perspective of someone who did moderate a forum once. reading through the comments in this thread though, I guess there is a lot I don't understand about how things are run on this site. |
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| Let's not make this into a mod bashing thread, it isn't productive unless it is constructive criticism |
Spades said: Let's not make this into a mod bashing thread, it isn't productive unless it is constructive criticism There's already been plenty of constructive criticism here. |
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| That was a weird way for me to find out about the new rules, on a freedom of speech thread lol. I also hate when people use the "this is an anime site" defense..... then get rid of non anime related shit if that's how you feel! |
| @Ardanaz The rules are written in a way they are difficult to follow, some cases impossible to follow and all encompassing enough any mod can apply the rules to just about any thread they please. The rules for CD say to post controversial topics in CE but CE says you can't do that it has to be a current event. This means every current event will turn into a debate about the larger topic. While this already happens it's not an issue because you could always make a more general thread in CD buy noy anymore. This means all discussion will revolve around a single event even a single person even if people try to expand it the discussion will always go back to the one event and one person which does the total opposite of what you claim these rules do. It makes it so more people will generalize based on anecdotes not less. The threads will be longer too so instead of one thread in CD to moserate you will have 28 in CE. You can't even make a CD thread about something like asking about historical events like the Holocaust and who shared the most responsibility. Apparently MALs official stance is saying the Holocaust is bad is controversial. You can't do such a thing in CE either because historic things are not current events. This is just an example. The new rule for CE.. "b. use the title of the sourced article" ...contradicts a previous rule "Please use titles which factually and neutrally describe the event. Topics with clickbait/sensationalist titles will either be edited, locked, or removed." Even if it's from a reliable source they still can use vague or misleading titles. This rule makes it so you can't change the original title if you want to and can't use the reliable source at all because of the title alone without breaking the rules. It's poorly written and not thought out. This shouldn't be two seporate rules but a single consistent rule that combines the two so they don't contradict. As for that older new rule for CD the no sex threads rule although it started to be enforced in such a way that psychological and sociological or anthropological or biological discussion of sexual related matters are allowed in practice much of the time so long as it didn't get graphic but no written form of this exists as it should to show there can be exceptions which means some mods usually new mods enforce the rule too strictly on threads that clearly aren't sex threads but psychological and sociological and anthropological and biological threads with some focus on sexual things. For example someone asking how fetishes are formed is a bannable offence despite not breaking the original intent of the rule. Also the old NSFM rules need to ad NSFW as also acceptable because no one gets punished for using the common term that is used on all the internet and the written rules should reflect that. The new rules for AD make it so something as simple and innocent as "what anime have the most realistic portrayal of homosexual relationships" is a bannable offence. You could claim this is equally applied but the reality is this is a rule against LGBT users as it will likely effect them more. Saying it's a lot of users not just a few is misleading. I majority of the time see the same handful of users that start the shit show in every thread before other users join in. If that had been banned you wouldn't see that happen so often. Also it's not true every thread turna into flaming and all that. I in the past made a thread on religion and it never turned into that because it was asking people what religions interest them aside from their own and what is interesting. I also made an abortion thread that never turned into that because I demonstrated the labels pro-life and pro-choice don't always describe what a persons views are and demonstrated many had the exact same views. It's not the topics themselves it's how the OP is written and what the discussion is specifically about. |
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Ardanaz said: The problem is that every single thread that was even remotely controversial has ended in flame wars. Almost no exception. It's also not just a couple users, it's a lot. They don't directly break rules, yet everything turns into a shit show. It's not an admission of failure, it's us trying to stop the problem at the source. There are way too many shitty anime out there. If we accept your logic, the only way to get rid of those shity anime is to not produce anime at all. You preserve things based on the best they provide, not eliminate them on the worst they can do. For the worst, you find other ways, no matter how arduous, to put an end to them. We've been doing that for years now, but lately it's just become impossible. What good parts do you mean? You can still make threads about controversial topics, just make sure it's of significance and has a reliable source. So no propaganda websites or whatever other kind of biased sites. It's not burning down the whole forest, it's banning all the tools that can create sparks to prevent the fires from happening in the first place. What is significant is subject-dependent. A topic that may be significant to me may not be to you. Let people discuss what is important to them, no matter how ridiculous their views may be about it. If they never put their views out for scrutiny and debate, they'll never mature. Blatant propaganda is obvious (such as in the case of Nyu) but broad-brushing certain websites for bias and accepting discussion only on suffocating terms amounts to killing decision itself. I'd like to see you ban Al-jazeera for its leftist bias as well. You can still do this though. I won't deny that controversy is popular, but controversial doesn't need to be racism or other types of sensitive topics that really shouldn't have any place on an anime forum. This is casual discussion, and there is current events. The 'anime' parts should be limited to anime-related boards. MAL is not merely a listing site, it is also a social one. We're here to get to know some people better and make friends too, and many of us can't accept mere anime affinity as sufficient criteria for friendship. Everyone on this forum should commit this excerpt to memory:  /r/politics Give us a reason we shouldn't migrate to hummingbird, then. As a bit of a final note: This is an anime forum. We don't need these kind of topics. If you want to tell everyone how awesome your political views are or how bad you hate [insert race/gender/whatever] here, do that somewhere else. I'm off to bed now, so don't get mad if I don't reply for a while This is casual discussion, and there is current events. We come here to talk about our views. Don't japanize the whole site, please. |
| I support rule 7, the propaganda was getting to much. |
| i am glad finally people started seeing through this shit since i was the only one who was "bitching" when they started this over the weekend. still, that the forums have been changed multiple times with massive user disapproval every time should speak volumes about how this situation will be handled. do keep it up though, because hopefully they get the hint this time. |
 Oh maybe, maybe it's the clothes we wear The tasteless bracelets and the dye in our hair Or maybe, maybe it's our nowhere towns or our nothing places But we're trash, you and me We're the litter on the breeze We're the lovers on the streets Just trash, me and you It's in everything we do It's in everything we do |
mascarpone said: Mashmakhan said: Having known mods on MAL and a few other sites. It really is a brutal job, with all the crap they have to go through.I used to moderate a forum maybe 5-6 years ago, and it is a thankless job. you check the reports, you look at the new posts, you read and you read and you read. so much of your time devoted to reading dumb shit that kids type in broken english. you "do your job", you get rid of trolly/rule-breaking posts and people give you shit for it. "FREE SPEECH UNDER ATTACK!" as if free speech laws apply to an internet forum in the first place.. Implying that MAL CE/CD has to be moderated intensively. I doesn't have to be, especially CE. |
| I've seen a few threads I've posted in deleted and those really weren't controversial or hate mongering at all so I'm a little confused as to what is considered to be in a "deletable" category. |
| Life Is Short But Intense. |
Nyu said: I support rule 7, the propaganda was getting to much. You were the one doing it. They should have just banned you. You derail every thread you post in trying to turn it into about race and immigration for every topic. |
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Nyu said: I support rule 7, the propaganda was getting to much. You were one of the big reasons why this was implemented in the first place. Because you have a creepy, unhealthy obsession with race and immigrants. I'm not sure if you're trolling or you're really that fucking dense. |
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_Ako_ said: I share your disdain for CE too, but leaving those users to fight among themselves. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me.mascarpone said: Having known mods on MAL and a few other sites. It really is a brutal job, with all the crap they have to go through. Implying that MAL CE/CD has to be moderated intensively. I doesn't have to be, especially CE. |
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