The Case Study of Vanitas
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| The strongest episode 1 so far this season. Momotaro river side first episode is kinda ok too. Also OP is fire. |
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| Good story so far but the names ... well the writer should have learned the language he uses before. Book of Vanities ... interesting name... But florifel I doubt it means what he says flori means flowers not sure what fel is supposed to mean . anyway nice start |
Jainazhu said: As in floriferous? Still a long way from that to what they said it meansnightcrawlercyp said: I think it comes from "florifère"Good story so far but the names ... well the writer should have learned the language he uses before. Book of Vanities ... interesting name... But florifel I doubt it means what he says flori means flowers not sure what fel is supposed to mean . anyway nice start |
nightcrawlercyp said: Good story so far but the names ... well the writer should have learned the language he uses before. Book of Vanities ... interesting name... But florifel I doubt it means what he says flori means flowers not sure what fel is supposed to mean . anyway nice start I'm just going to point out that the author makes use of Latin names as well (like Vanitas, most likely derived from a Latin noun), and I am pretty sure Florifel is Latin in origin. |
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Cathen99 said: nightcrawlercyp said: Good story so far but the names ... well the writer should have learned the language he uses before. Book of Vanities ... interesting name... But florifel I doubt it means what he says flori means flowers not sure what fel is supposed to mean . anyway nice start I'm just going to point out that the author makes use of Latin names as well (like Vanitas, most likely derived from a Latin noun), and I am pretty sure Florifel is Latin in origin. Just because he uses Latin words does not mean he understands latin. My native language is close to popular latin (the one spoken by regular people - latin vulgata) and the whole point was about what it means in Latin. From 'floriferous' to 'she that follows spring' long way. Flos-floris means flower and feris mean about or related to. So yea Florifer does not mean what he says. I think it has to do with japanesse being an un-evolved language. If they would just give up kanji in day to day life they could make their language clearer the writing easier and so on. And no I do not want to have them write with latin letters , Hiranga or Katanga are ok, just stop using kanji. |
nightcrawlercypJul 4, 2021 7:12 AM
nightcrawlercyp said: Cathen99 said: I'm just going to point out that the author makes use of Latin names as well (like Vanitas, most likely derived from a Latin noun), and I am pretty sure Florifel is Latin in origin. Just because he uses Latin words does not mean he understands latin. My native language is close to popular latin (the one spoken by regular people - latin vulgata) and the whole point was about what it means in Latin. From 'floriferous' to 'she that follows spring' long way. Flos-floris means flower and feris mean about or related to. So yea Florifer does not mean what he says. I think it has to do with japanesse being an un-evolved language. If they would just give up kanji in day to day life they could make their language clearer the writing easier and so on. And no I do not want to have them write with latin letters , Hiranga or Katanga are ok, just stop using kanji. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start an argument. I just wanted to point out that it could very well be Latin in origin, since you never specifically mentioned Latin, and so I assumed you were talking about the French names. I agree with the literal meaning being a bit iffy, but at the same time names can have several meanings. Basically just wanted to throw in my two cents! I have next to no knowledge about how exactly the Japanese writing systems work, so I can't say anything about that. |
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| hmmmm, looks good actually... Will keep continuing to see how it plays |
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Cathen99 said: Well French is latin based and I tried to find other meanings in french scottish/irisg galish and other languages. But every one that can translate this translates to the same thing. nightcrawlercyp said: Just because he uses Latin words does not mean he understands latin. My native language is close to popular latin (the one spoken by regular people - latin vulgata) and the whole point was about what it means in Latin. From 'floriferous' to 'she that follows spring' long way. Flos-floris means flower and feris mean about or related to. So yea Florifer does not mean what he says. I think it has to do with japanesse being an un-evolved language. If they would just give up kanji in day to day life they could make their language clearer the writing easier and so on. And no I do not want to have them write with latin letters , Hiranga or Katanga are ok, just stop using kanji. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start an argument. I just wanted to point out that it could very well be Latin in origin, since you never specifically mentioned Latin, and so I assumed you were talking about the French names. I agree with the literal meaning being a bit iffy, but at the same time names can have several meanings. Basically just wanted to throw in my two cents! I have next to no knowledge about how exactly the Japanese writing systems work, so I can't say anything about that. The point I was making about japanesse and generally all languages that borrow heavily from chinesse is that they are mostly stuck on ideogram level. So instead of building a word from sounds or sylabus they build out of ideograms. So everything ends up to be a series of ideograms that convey the word as a sentence. Is an extremely indirect way of doing things and ineffective. Even in korean who now uses an alphabet they still do this. What do I mean... well generally adding letters to a word will not change significantly its sense or adding words to a sentence. Is like in this joke: https://youtu.be/CZYI5ujAU1A?t=149 . The fact they stuck with this ancient ideogram system messed their communication a lot in time. Because once you move to sounds you feel the need to fix those issue. And the sooner you do this the easier it is. |
| I am a bit late into the discussion (and I will not read four* pages) but I have a few things to say: I din't like how the managed the exposition very much. I think I expecetd a different tone from a series focuesd on Vampires, and I was a bit pulled away when I heard Iida Tenya from BHA delivering the introduction. The fight was somewhat cool, but the female vampire stood there doing nothing while Vanitas was explaining the power of his book, which I think was a bit clunky. I will try to watch the following episodes earlier so I can post my thoughts more quickly. * Or six... |
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| The comedy is terrible but its was a good start. I think the anime already spoiled the ending? |
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| Really enjoyed this! This has a lot of potential. |
| Great start for the anime nice setting and the character designs are good too. The pacing is bit weird and the comedy seems off . But overall the mystery feel to it is good . The background is amazing and animation too |
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ZenielDanaku said: The female vampire was in a pain and was already stopped by the book, then when she tried to attack again the mc s aquantince stopped her with a gun.. sooI am a bit late into the discussion (and I will not read four* pages) but I have a few things to say: I din't like how the managed the exposition very much. I think I expecetd a different tone from a series focuesd on Vampires, and I was a bit pulled away when I heard Iida Tenya from BHA delivering the introduction. The fight was somewhat cool, but the female vampire stood there doing nothing while Vanitas was explaining the power of his book, which I think was a bit clunky. I will try to watch the following episodes earlier so I can post my thoughts more quickly. * Or six... |
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Varris said: Kazzann said: That was 95% the studio unfortunately, the director did Noragami too I believeOh god the comedy…what is with female mangaka and god awful Chibi comedy? The director has nothing to do with noragami. He mostly worked on the monogatari series (vampire adaption with Akiyuki Shinbo) and worked at shaft before going freelance |
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Lary-sama said: You really are nitpicky i guess. But I do assure u that the staf working behind it is pretty high quality and maybe you enjoyed the first chapter more then the episode because you didnt knew the story but in animation you did? SO considering that it makes sense. Also The piano scene is going to be animated in the second cour so i would urge u to stay on board till then(Considering yuki kaijura muisc will shine there). And if it sounds offensive then i apologizeAs a manga lover, I’m not a big fan of animes. I like to set my own pace reading, be it faster or slower than the usual 23 minutes-long episodes of most animes. That being said, I’m probably too picky. I’m giving this one a try since I LOVE MochiJun and I love VNC, but I liked the first chapter so much more than this first episode. The OP adds nothing to the plot. I expected something totally different, with darker visuals and music. Instead, it appears to be a goofy fujoshi bait. I think it lacks transition between scenes sometimes and I’m personally not a fan of so much comedy in between. I know it’s there in the manga, but I guess it feels different in an animation lol Not a flaw, just personal taste. Not sure if Vanitas’ VA really fits the character either imo. Anyway, the animation itself is pretty good and I love how they worked out the scenery and background. Jun’s work is so carefully detailed that I was scared they’d mess it up, but they nailed it. Again, I’m probably too picky. lol And maybe a bit unsure of how this is gonna turn out after Pandora Hearts, although they probably don’t share the same studio (I know nothing regarding anime studios). I hope it gets better as the story progresses and I’ll keep watching bc I love this story. |
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| The first episode was quite an amazing and action-packed one. There were so many revelations in this episode, honestly. We saw how Noe, one of our main characters, was onboard an airship with the goal of finding the Book of Vanitas. As he assisted a weak and suspicious-looking woman (basically a fellow passenger onboard lol), he discusses that goal with her and a few moments later, a mysterious person wreaks havoc and tries to attack the woman, in which of course, our dear Noe comes and defends her. After a few scenes between the two, it is revealed that the woman was actually a vampire, and, through pure bloodlust (literally lmao), bites Noe on his shoulder. This episode also revealed that Noe is also a vampire, and to shorten this up, the mysterious person shows up once again and somehow 'cures' the woman using the Book of Vanitas, which Noe immediately recognized. After a comedic incident, the mysterious person falls off of the airship and of course, Noe jumps and attempts to save him (what a personality he has, honestly.). Once they both reach the ground, the two formally introduce themselves. The mysterious person introduced himself as Vanitas, a doctor of vampires ( it seems that he somehow just claimed that identity). Using the Book of Vanitas, he vowed to save and help the vampires thrive in this world. In the ending, we were left with a monologue by Noe about how he met Vanitas, took the same path as his, and how in the end, he slayed him with his own hands. That part of the monologue made me intrigued about the events that will unfold on the following episodes. This was a good episode so far, and props to Bones for the nice and smooth animation in those fighting scenes. The comedic and serious parts reminded me of those from Bungou Stray Dogs (which was animated by the same studio). Anyways, I wonder how Vanitas will progress with his goal and how Noe will have to deal with his shenanigans. I'm looking forward to the next episode! |
AkiyafuruJul 5, 2021 4:26 AM
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| Good first episode. The setting looks fresh and characters got that DRIP. But the chibi comedy is kinda off. This is not gay in any way. Don't miss out on this anime due to some fujoshis claiming it to be gay ffs. |
mr_modestJul 5, 2021 10:02 PM
mr_modest said: it really sucks that Fujoshi messed up this anime, I don't hate them but they make people think this anime is Yaoi bait eventhough it's clear that both MCs have a legit Female interest, it makes people hesitate to watch the anime, some fujoshi's are they act as if all their ships are canon and attack people who disagree.Good first episode. The setting looks fresh and characters got that DRIP. But the chibi comedy is kinda off. This is not gay in any way. Don't miss out on this anime due to some fujoshis claiming it to be gay ffs. |
Lguanlin92 said: Well, some are like that. This show has a lot of potential to be a great vampire anime.mr_modest said: it really sucks that Fujoshi messed up this anime, I don't hate them but they make people think this anime is Yaoi bait eventhough it's clear that both MCs have a legit Female interest, it makes people hesitate to watch the anime, some fujoshi's are they act as if all their ships are canon and attack people who disagree.Good first episode. The setting looks fresh and characters got that DRIP. But the chibi comedy is kinda off. This is not gay in any way. Don't miss out on this anime due to some fujoshis claiming it to be gay ffs. |
Lguanlin92 said: Seraph of the End is the most suitable anime to define Fujoshi are act as if all their ships are canon and attack people who disagree. for example Mika x Yuu shipers they act as if Mikayuu is canon and have romantic feelings for each other, eventhough they are just brothers in arms who care about each other.mr_modest said: it really sucks that Fujoshi messed up this anime, I don't hate them but they make people think this anime is Yaoi bait eventhough it's clear that both MCs have a legit Female interest, it makes people hesitate to watch the anime, some fujoshi's are they act as if all their ships are canon and attack people who disagree.Good first episode. The setting looks fresh and characters got that DRIP. But the chibi comedy is kinda off. This is not gay in any way. Don't miss out on this anime due to some fujoshis claiming it to be gay ffs. |
Nobara98Jul 6, 2021 12:18 AM
Nobara98 said: Exactly, Mikayuu shipers are very toxic, I once told them it's impossible for Mikayuu to become a canon and most likely it's more to YuuNoa, because they Mika and Yuu are brothers even though they're not blood related and they only care about each other because they're brothers, but they attack me instead with absurd reasons and accuse me of homophobia. they are the most annoying and delusional Fujo shipers.Lguanlin92 said: Seraph of the End is the most suitable anime to define Fujoshi are act as if all their ships are canon and attack people who disagree. for example Mika x Yuu shipers they act as if Mikayuu is canon and have romantic feelings for each other, eventhough they are just brothers in arms who care about each other.it really sucks that Fujoshi messed up this anime, I don't hate them but they make people think this anime is Yaoi bait eventhough it's clear that both MCs have a legit Female interest, it makes people hesitate to watch the anime, some fujoshi's are they act as if all their ships are canon and attack people who disagree. |
Jainazhu said: Ok still is a long way to go. Also floriferous does not mean abundantly flowering rather about flowersnightcrawlercyp said: Yes as in "abundantly flowering" i think that's what they mean by the one whom guides the spring.As in floriferous? Still a long way from that to what they said it means |
nightcrawlercyp said: Jainazhu said: Ok still is a long way to go. Also floriferous does not mean abundantly flowering rather about flowersYes as in "abundantly flowering" i think that's what they mean by the one whom guides the spring. Dunno my European languages so this is just from a bit of googling and conjecture with manga knowledge. With minimal spoilers, vampiric "true names" throughout this series all seem to be based loosely in latin, and the descriptions that follow rarely correspond literally to the word itself. Thus I assume in Amelia's case "she who guides spring" is more of an epithet than a direct interpretation of her name. Moreover, the most plausible translation of her name I could come up with is the latin word "Florifer" which could mean "flower-bearing", taking into consideration that Japanese phonetics typically do not distinguish the "r" sound from the "l". |
Germs_N_SpicesJul 6, 2021 10:40 AM
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| How come people can conclude it was BL bait from Op & Ed?? this doesn't make sense, as a Manga reader I beg the anime only keep watching and don't get misunderstand about it, this is not BL bait/Yuri bait like you thought, it's more like Fujo bait/Himejoshi bait, there is a straight romance in it. and for the Fujoshi and Himejoshi, don't make the stiring up by spreading Manga scenes in threads that raise about BL bait that are not Yaoi/Yuri at all, but you make it look like it's Yaoi/Yuri. let the anime only enjoy the show and let them decide for themselves, because it will only make people who hate Yaoi/Yuri not want to watch the show anymore. |
234Mannan said: The female vampire was in a pain and was already stopped by the book, then when she tried to attack again the mc s aquantince stopped her with a gun.. soo Good point. I shoud have rewatched the episode before comenting. |
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| I'm not as enthusiastic as most are in this thread. But I'll take what I can get this season, it looks alright so far. |
| Very interesting plot so far and I really liked what was going on in the first episode with the book of vanitas. The book of vanitas seems really interesting and I wonder how Vanitas will save all the vampires from extinction. Thoroughly enjoyed it and ill stick to watch how this story unfolds. |
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| That was such an interesting start. The character designs are beautiful. Can't wait to see how the two MCs develop. But one thing that's been bothering me is why do they pronounce Vampire as Vampir? Loved both the OP and ED, visually and the song too. |
Rickydory123 said: But one thing that's been bothering me is why do they pronounce Vampire as Vampir? Closer to the French pronunciation |
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| Loved both the OP and ED, visually and the song too.[/quote] Rickydory123 said: That was such an interesting start. The character designs are beautiful. Can't wait to see how the two MCs develop. But one thing that's been bothering me is why do they pronounce Vampire as Vampir? Loved both the OP and ED, visually and the song too. french pronounce |
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gophercg said: beautiful airship & scenery, fate styled music. Vanitas too shafty but ok. Looks promising, but the episodic mission, lite sol, vampire vibes is iffy combo. It is not episodic and it’s not SOL at all lol the OP is misleading. |
| What a fun start. Not yet completely sold but I enjoyed this first episode, nonetheless. |
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| Quite an exciting first episode. I loved the steampunk art. My only question is whether it was wise for Noé to basically spoil the story's ending (if that's the ending) at the end of the episode. I realize there must be some narrative sense in this; for instance with every episode we (non source material readers) will keep on wondering how Noé will end up "slaying" Vanitas and why. Is it to take the book from him and use it for his own purposes? Is it because Vanitas turns evil and Noé kills him to stop him? Is it because Noé turns evil? Is it due to an accident? etc etc Nevertheless, this disclosure felt like one of these rare detective stories where the serial killer is disclosed (to the audience only) from the very first episode and so the focus of the story turns from a combined "whodunit" and "how are they going to catch him/her" to purely the latter. The kind of stories where the audience knows who the killer is from the start and each time the lead detective fails to realize it we wonder "how on Earth did they miss this hint or that clue". These rare detective / serial killer stories can work but they need to be written even better than conventional "whodunit" ones in order to maintain tension and suspense. If I recall correctly The Fall ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2294189 ) "spoiled" who the killer was from the very first episode though it ran for 3 seasons. It was a brilliant (live action) show but it's the only serial killer / detective / homicide show in general I can currently recall that did that. So I wonder how Vanitas will fare after taking into account my (very loose) analogy.. edit: Not just The Fall. Monster (the anime) also disclosed who the killer was from the first few episodes (it must have been in episode 2 or 3 tops I think). This was a case where the only ones who knew who the killer was were the audience and the main lead Kenzo Tenma. |
SharpedonJul 9, 2021 4:38 PM
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MrCatIsGod said: am i the only one who is disturbed by the way they pronounce "vampire" like vamp-ear and not vamp-i-er? That's the French word for vampire. |
| OHHH THIS IS SO COOL!! I'm not a manga reader but everything in it looks cool to me. The art style, animation, OP & ED... every scenes and second of it. I really like it when Vanitas appears through the window, he's so cool T-T♡ I like Noe's character but Vanitas's character really stands out. Whoever reads the manga and reads this, please give me a spoiler, is the real Vanitas (the vampire one) still alive? thanks ~ |
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