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Sep 18, 2016 7:15 PM
#451
gust11 said: 4Dissinity said: Nuuuu please answer too, I value your opinions toooooo xDnobody199 said: 4Dissinity said: nobody199 said: 4Dissinity said: nobody199 said: Also I feel people will disagree with me but I didn't care that chiaka died, in fact, she deserve it! Talk about the lack of common sense that these supposed geniuses doesn't have! Didn't she really suspect that her teacher was fine and well, honestly calm, not even worried about her and the others and ,most of all, conviniently found her!? Sorry but I give 2/5 for this episode. lol damn. Talk about despairingly cruel. They are only "geniuses" in whatever field they are talented in. That doesn't mean they are smart at every seemingly common or logical thing. Hagakure, Akane, Tsumiki, and Ibuki (I think Ibuki as well) certainly are not that smart when it comes to that. Chiaki's just a high school student who is really good at video games and knows a lot about them. That is it. Nothing less or more, tbh. She wouldn't fully know that Chisa would be doing something like that to her, especially for the fact that it is Chisa that really helped break her out of her shell and had given her the hope of bringing everyone together and finally making friends, so it is no surprise that she believed her, but even then, she had doubts as to what is wrong with her, as this episode showed her frequently questioning her, but since she isn't fully certain as to how she is and, from what I assume, doesn't want to completely misjudge someone who she respects and loves so much, she went along with what Chisa was going to "show" her anyway. How can she even judge chisa? Judgement is preceded by observation, questioning, hypothesis. Chiaki just waked in an empty floor, with no idea where she was nor where her friends were and suddenly just happens to see her teacher, same teacher that she had left behind with dangerous and crazy individuals who HARMED her friends. She has every right to ask questions, simply because she can't even judge her if she doesn't know what happened. Im not saying chiaki HAD TO KNOW that it was a lie, but by not showing her asking those questions it gives the impression she didn't even tried. Oh wait. I just realized that I said that this episode had shown her frequently questioning her. That's obviously not true. Idk why I said that. lol But even then, Chiaki did question her as to whether where Chisa was leading her was really the right way, along with showing expressions of doubt while following her. While she has every right to ask a lot of questions, that doesn't mean that she has to in order to show doubt, as judgement doesn't have to always be about asking questions. She clearly showed doubt on her mind through her expressions. Yes, Chiaki somehow woke up randomly in a room, but Chisa, however, made herself look very convincing that she was alright with a worrisome expression to Chiaki as to whether she was okay or not when she was waking up, and that Chisa is totally fine in helping the others while she was helping Chiaki up, as Chisa was looking like she is still the hopeful and fair leader helping everyone out, and along with the "you can still turn back if you'd like" Chisa made, it's like she saying that there isn't any need to be afraid. Yes, Chiaki knew that she was left with three dangerous students, but she didn't know whether she really was messed up in any way or not, or whether she escaped or dealt with them without any harm or not. She doesn't even know if Chisa was in the same situation as she herself was or not, that being that she suddenly came to an unknown room and woke up, albeit before Chiaki herself. There are a lot of things that she was unsure of that can go either way for her, and with very little time as well. While you say it's common sense to never believe someone like Chisa due to the situations they are, one can argue that it is also common sense to actually do believe, as what I said before, the relationship Chisa and Chiaki both clearly had for each other in the earlier episodes. Chisa helped Chiaki gain the strength and hope in breaking out of her inner shell and finally bringing everyone together while making friends. Chisa gave Chiaki so much hope that Chiaki herself also gave everyone else the motivational talk in finding Chisa when she thought she's in danger. Chiaki very clearly looks up to her greatly for all of this. This is just like Tsumiki while she suddenly pushed Chiaki into the hidden room and was leading everyone else into a trap, as she made herself look very convincing that she was totally fine with her usual behavior, and really wanted to help find Chisa along with the others, despite the fact that she herself had been missing and that everyone else had been worried about her and that they were able to find absolutely no traces of her. The kind of behavior, along with the close relationship she had with the rest of her classmates, pretty much made everyone else believe with going towards whether Tsumiki was leading them to. I don't think it's difficult to notice that there is something strange with Chisa's behavior, hence why I find her not very convencing( I said I), as we saw, Chisa is very energetic, hyper-active, and speaks a higher tone than she was speaking in this episode( and...maybe a little seductive,erotic? I don't know! similiar to Tsumiki when she was brainwashed), but mostly that smile regarding a malicious intent, the narrowed eyes, the assymetrical smile, the invasion of space with physical contact, Chisa was never one to do that. Even the "you can still turn back if you like". Why would she? If Chiaki looks up to her so much why would she have any doubts about turning back, after all they are their friends, one of them possibly is a traitor because it pushed Chiaki, this place is clearly more misterious and complex than they tought they NEED to stick together, to me, it's very obvious. What? While she is usually energetic, she isn't always, especially when taking things seriously, confronting someone, or when comforting someone. It'd be even more suspicious if she didn't act accordingly to the situation to hide how she really is now. She also spoke in the exact same tone as she usually did. One when she takes things seriously (as she did to Chiaki in the last episode) or to ease someone's pain (did in last episode and this episode), and one who is usually in the energetic or cheerful sounding one (did in this episode).And what seduction? lol She never acted that way. I really don't know what you're talking about. No, you're not getting my point at all. She's not saying that little saying as a way for Chiaki to literally have doubt. lol She said that as a way of easing someone by making it seem like that she had a choice on the matter (when really she didn't) and that there isn't anything to feel with doubt by saying something that looks like a fair choice and that it was completely on the matter. This isn't an uncommon method at all. Used all the time in different media. gust11 said: @nobody199 So you seem to be a fairly observant watcher, I'll ask you this question that's been bugging me since an ep or two ago. Not me, despite all the things I've said? ;-; lol Fine. Whatever. No. You smashed my feelings, so screw you. Ignore me. >_> lol nobody199 said: 4Dissinity said: nobody199 said: 4Dissinity said: nobody199 said: 4Dissinity said: nobody199 said: Also I feel people will disagree with me but I didn't care that chiaka died, in fact, she deserve it! Talk about the lack of common sense that these supposed geniuses doesn't have! Didn't she really suspect that her teacher was fine and well, honestly calm, not even worried about her and the others and ,most of all, conviniently found her!? Sorry but I give 2/5 for this episode. lol damn. Talk about despairingly cruel. They are only "geniuses" in whatever field they are talented in. That doesn't mean they are smart at every seemingly common or logical thing. Hagakure, Akane, Tsumiki, and Ibuki (I think Ibuki as well) certainly are not that smart when it comes to that. Chiaki's just a high school student who is really good at video games and knows a lot about them. That is it. Nothing less or more, tbh. She wouldn't fully know that Chisa would be doing something like that to her, especially for the fact that it is Chisa that really helped break her out of her shell and had given her the hope of bringing everyone together and finally making friends, so it is no surprise that she believed her, but even then, she had doubts as to what is wrong with her, as this episode showed her frequently questioning her, but since she isn't fully certain as to how she is and, from what I assume, doesn't want to completely misjudge someone who she respects and loves so much, she went along with what Chisa was going to "show" her anyway. How can she even judge chisa? Judgement is preceded by observation, questioning, hypothesis. Chiaki just waked in an empty floor, with no idea where she was nor where her friends were and suddenly just happens to see her teacher, same teacher that she had left behind with dangerous and crazy individuals who HARMED her friends. She has every right to ask questions, simply because she can't even judge her if she doesn't know what happened. Im not saying chiaki HAD TO KNOW that it was a lie, but by not showing her asking those questions it gives the impression she didn't even tried. Oh wait. I just realized that I said that this episode had shown her frequently questioning her. That's obviously not true. Idk why I said that. lol But even then, Chiaki did question her as to whether where Chisa was leading her was really the right way, along with showing expressions of doubt while following her. While she has every right to ask a lot of questions, that doesn't mean that she has to in order to show doubt, as judgement doesn't have to always be about asking questions. She clearly showed doubt on her mind through her expressions. Yes, Chiaki somehow woke up randomly in a room, but Chisa, however, made herself look very convincing that she was alright with a worrisome expression to Chiaki as to whether she was okay or not when she was waking up, and that Chisa is totally fine in helping the others while she was helping Chiaki up, as Chisa was looking like she is still the hopeful and fair leader helping everyone out, and along with the "you can still turn back if you'd like" Chisa made, it's like she saying that there isn't any need to be afraid. Yes, Chiaki knew that she was left with three dangerous students, but she didn't know whether she really was messed up in any way or not, or whether she escaped or dealt with them without any harm or not. She doesn't even know if Chisa was in the same situation as she herself was or not, that being that she suddenly came to an unknown room and woke up, albeit before Chiaki herself. There are a lot of things that she was unsure of that can go either way for her, and with very little time as well. While you say it's common sense to never believe someone like Chisa due to the situations they are, one can argue that it is also common sense to actually do believe, as what I said before, the relationship Chisa and Chiaki both clearly had for each other in the earlier episodes. Chisa helped Chiaki gain the strength and hope in breaking out of her inner shell and finally bringing everyone together while making friends. Chisa gave Chiaki so much hope that Chiaki herself also gave everyone else the motivational talk in finding Chisa when she thought she's in danger. Chiaki very clearly looks up to her greatly for all of this. This is just like Tsumiki while she suddenly pushed Chiaki into the hidden room and was leading everyone else into a trap, as she made herself look very convincing that she was totally fine with her usual behavior, and really wanted to help find Chisa along with the others, despite the fact that she herself had been missing and that everyone else had been worried about her and that they were able to find absolutely no traces of her. The kind of behavior, along with the close relationship she had with the rest of her classmates, pretty much made everyone else believe with going towards whether Tsumiki was leading them to. I don't think it's difficult to notice that there is something strange with Chisa's behavior, hence why I find her not very convencing( I said I), as we saw, Chisa is very energetic, hyper-active, and speaks a higher tone than she was speaking in this episode( and...maybe a little seductive,erotic? I don't know! similiar to Tsumiki when she was brainwashed), but mostly that smile regarding a malicious intent, the narrowed eyes, the assymetrical smile, the invasion of space with physical contact, Chisa was never one to do that. Even the "you can still turn back if you like". Why would she? If Chiaki looks up to her so much why would she have any doubts about turning back, after all they are their friends, one of them possibly is a traitor because it pushed Chiaki, this place is clearly more misterious and complex than they tought they NEED to stick together, to me, it's very obvious. What? While she is usually energetic, she isn't always, especially when taking things seriously, confronting someone, or when comforting someone. It'd be even more suspicious if she didn't act accordingly to the situation to hide how she really is now. She also spoke in the exact same tone as she usually did. One when she takes things seriously (as she did to Chiaki in the last episode) or to ease someone's pain (did in last episode and this episode), and one who is usually in the energetic or cheerful sounding one (did in this episode).And what seduction? lol She never acted that way. I really don't know what you're talking about. No, you're not getting my point at all. She's not saying that little saying as a way for Chiaki to literally have doubt. lol She said that as a way of easing someone by making it seem like that she had a choice on the matter (when really she didn't) and that there isn't anything to feel with doubt by saying something that looks like a fair choice and that it was completely on the matter. This isn't an uncommon method at all. Used all the time in different media. gust11 said: @nobody199 So you seem to be a fairly observant watcher, I'll ask you this question that's been bugging me since an ep or two ago. Not me, despite all the things I've said? ;-; lol Fine. Whatever. Wow calm down, it just a matter of perspective, the guy just asked my opnion. I don't consider myself an observant watcher and even "fairly" is a bit much. More importantly, you are manipulating and creating things that I didn't said. When I say Chisa is energetic, hyper-active,etc, I am just giving examples of her typical behavior. I never said she is like this when confronting something serious. But since you managed to enter this topic what you said in the first paragraph also doesn't seem be seen during the episode. The woman is smiling, calm, but definetly not serious. She even jokes with Chiaki. Chiaki last image of her is she being left alone against those freaks and she cleary sees her teacher worried. Seeing she walking calmly through the corridor, smiling, with no concern, definetly doesn't add up. No matter what you try to say it you don't feel secure,safe or releived until you know you are in a safe place, regardless if the enemy lets you live. Chisa knows , somehow, where are their friends and LEADS Chiaki to them, she knows the place tha's for sure, even though her friends clearly doesn't and are looking for her!That's a lie and you know it, if she knows where are her friends, she would have met them, and they would go together find Chiaki, not only the teacher. You are so focused on the words "energetic", "seduction"(even tough I said i couldn't describe) that you ignored all I said, regarding Chisa's smile. Oh boy I don't know about psycology, but Im pretty sure that " You can turn back if you want to" isn't a reassuring answer, simply because in a situation possibly dangerous we want be sure we are safe. Her question was "are you sure we are going to the right place?". Chisa's answer is not reassuring at all because she is not denying that where they are going is dangerous, when her who apparently knows the place should know if it is safe or not, in fact Chisa's answer is not a answer at all! To end this, her student answer is rather simple "of course I am the class representant" no signs of doubt, makes you think why she would even bother to ask something like that when she is pretty sure she loves her friends. You ignored too much of my comment and tried to make another thing, hope I am more clearly now. What the hell are you even talking about? Clearly I wasn't even being serious, else I wouldn't have put that emote by it, now would I? That should've been very obvious :/ (I also don't get what is with the "calm down" as I'm not even upset). I am not manipulating whatever you said. lol What? I've just been stating facts about her personality and how she presented her usual traits in these two episodes as well while hiding that she had been messed up and is one of the despairs. She still presented herself with the usual lighthearted and comforting voices and tones. It's as clear as a bright blue day, dude. And what do you mean by joking? She wasn't joking at all in here. And as I said before if you've even read, while she was left behind with the students and Chaiki was definitely worried, Chiaki doesn't know fully well if Chisa was fine from that situation or not, so it could go either way for her as to what to believe is truly the logical and right thing to do. Not to mention that Chisa fully and clearly claimed that she will be fine as she was telling Chiaki to run away. And I already said numerous times that Chiaki clearly showed doubt on her face while questioning if they were even going the right way. I don't know how many times I have to say that. lol No I haven't ignored all of what you said, else I wouldn't have talked about them before, now would I? And believe it or not, yes that what she says is. Her saying that basically makes her reassure that where she and Chiaki is going is nothing to really worry about or that they will be fine overall. I've already said before that the sort of saying has been used as a persuasive method that they are not lying and to help eliminate more doubt being expressed from others in plenty of other anime, cartoons, TV shows, etc. Not to mention at the very beginning of the episode when Chiaki very expressed concern, Chisa very obviously gave reassuring answers that put a smile on Chiaki's face. You really can't tell me that you are ignoring something as obvious as that, man. You keep saying I ignored this and that when I obviously kept pointing out parts and parts of your very comments frequently. It's starting to look like that you simply keep saying that because the stuff I'm saying are not what you want to hear or agree with or something. idk I even used Tsumiki as the example for all the other classmates following and believing her in my previous comments, but it seems you just focus on Chiaki and Chisa. |
Sep 18, 2016 9:34 PM
#452
Personally I'm cool with the concept of brainwashing, although I thought it was better done with Chisa than with the 77th class. Their whole "my body can't move" thing felt shoehorned in. If they were all constrained to a chair like Chisa and forced to watch the video then I would have believed it more. |
Sep 18, 2016 10:11 PM
#453
I feel like a lot of spoilers regarding the despair arc are made by watching the future arc at the same time. Kind of makes it easy to predict whats gonna happen next in the despair arc |
Sep 18, 2016 11:03 PM
#454
Chanaynay said: Personally I'm cool with the concept of brainwashing, although I thought it was better done with Chisa than with the 77th class. Their whole "my body can't move" thing felt shoehorned in. If they were all constrained to a chair like Chisa and forced to watch the video then I would have believed it more. Think they're saying that like they can't really turn or look away due to liking and getting addicted to it, even when they don't want to. Like someone frequently eating something because it tastes that good even when they wanted to stop earlier (probably bad example. XD)? Nikkun-Sensei said: I feel like a lot of spoilers regarding the despair arc are made by watching the future arc at the same time. Kind of makes it easy to predict whats gonna happen next in the despair arc Yea, I can definitely see what you mean by that. Too bad that is pretty much the way to watch it (or at least that is what I assume, due to how they're releasing each Future and Despair episode). |
Sep 18, 2016 11:09 PM
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AmyTwo said: Yea, I can definitely see what you mean by that. Too bad that is pretty much the way to watch it (or at least that is what I assume, due to how they're releasing each Future and Despair episode). It really is a strange release pattern. But oh well, more is always better (in most cases). I guess for those who watch after its finished airing I would suggest the Future Arc first since it segways off of the first season. Either way I guess it would work. Would you suggest to someone who hasn't seen any Dangan Ronpa animes to watch chronologically (Despair - the animation - Future )? |
aRoamingDuckSep 18, 2016 11:13 PM
Sep 18, 2016 11:27 PM
#456
Why? because they were brainwashed? |
Sep 19, 2016 1:42 AM
#457
@MightyM16 IMO, if that's really the case, i think they made it kinda rushed. but still, obvious, this episode is really fucked up not in the bad way, but in the good way. |
Sep 19, 2016 1:55 AM
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Nikkun-Sensei said: AmyTwo said: Yea, I can definitely see what you mean by that. Too bad that is pretty much the way to watch it (or at least that is what I assume, due to how they're releasing each Future and Despair episode). It really is a strange release pattern. But oh well, more is always better (in most cases). I guess for those who watch after its finished airing I would suggest the Future Arc first since it segways off of the first season. Either way I guess it would work. Would you suggest to someone who hasn't seen any Dangan Ronpa animes to watch chronologically (Despair - the animation - Future )? My apologies for the late reply, as I suddenly fell asleep (have a sleep disorder, you see). That seems like something that I could suggest as well when all of this is as good as done, so yeah. Sure (speaking of The Animation, either that or look at a playthrough of the game on Youtube or something). I always did wish there was an anime version of DR2 though, since that would help. Unfortunately that never happened. |
Sep 19, 2016 7:41 AM
#459
Words cannot describe how I felt watching this episode. Bruh...just bruh... |
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Sep 19, 2016 8:42 AM
#460
AmyTwo said: Nikkun-Sensei said: AmyTwo said: Yea, I can definitely see what you mean by that. Too bad that is pretty much the way to watch it (or at least that is what I assume, due to how they're releasing each Future and Despair episode). It really is a strange release pattern. But oh well, more is always better (in most cases). I guess for those who watch after its finished airing I would suggest the Future Arc first since it segways off of the first season. Either way I guess it would work. Would you suggest to someone who hasn't seen any Dangan Ronpa animes to watch chronologically (Despair - the animation - Future )? My apologies for the late reply, as I suddenly fell asleep (have a sleep disorder, you see). That seems like something that I could suggest as well when all of this is as good as done, so yeah. Sure (speaking of The Animation, either that or look at a playthrough of the game on Youtube or something). I always did wish there was an anime version of DR2 though, since that would help. Unfortunately that never happened. @Nikkun-Sensei I just remembered, but it's kind of hard to recommend watching the Despair Arc of DR3 first than continue on to the Animation and the Future Arc since the very first episode of the Despair Arc shows Chisa remarking about her own death that happened in the very first episode of the Future Arc. Not to mention that the Despair Arc spoils Junko and Mukuro as being the main antagonists of DR1, along with a few other things like the Ultimate Imposter being just that instead of being the real Byakuya like DR2 tried to make it as before it's revealed otherwise there. So no, no I wouldn't. Sorry about the huge misunderstanding I've been making. I forget sch very important things at times. |
Sep 19, 2016 9:18 AM
#461
nobody199 said: Wow, that was really well thought out, I can't add much more to that but man was it fun to get to the core (in our opinions at least) of the show. I can definitely advocate for the strong themes of hope and loyalty, two things that are traditionally seen as desired qualities but are both subject to thousands upon thousands of negative connotations by each individual person. Hope becoming expectations, which pressure and harm people for example could be one negative view. And loyalty, similarly like you said becoming more an obligation that shackles somebody rather than becoming a positive quality. Anyhow, thanks again for the talk! :)gust11 said: nobody199 said: gust11 said: @nobody199 So you seem to be a fairly observant watcher, I'll ask you this question that's been bugging me since an ep or two ago. Correct me if I'm wrong but was Chisa made out to be much stronger than she seemed? I mean last ep she got caught so easily by Mukuro and to be honest I was very surprised at that. In fact, I came in expecting her to get caught, but by means of blackmail or holding the students hostage, I never even expected her to physically get grabbed by Mukuro just like that. My reasoning for this is that in the first episode when Chisa goes to gather everyone, first it makes a point of showing how she gets along well with everyone, but specifically with Peko's 'recruitment' scene there's an obvious show of Chisa's skill when she manages to swipe away her sword and attack Teruteru without Peko, the "SHSL Swordsman" even noticing it was gone from her hands. From that I guess I sort of inductively assumed that Chisa was much stronger than she was letting on, possibly more skilled than a natural SHSL, which is why I was so utterly shocked by how easily she was subdued by Mukuro. Thoughts on this? Hahaha thanks! But I guess you are more observant than I because I didn't notice it she had taken peku's sword without her notice until you said now, and that's interesting(this going to be a rather large text). The fact that Chisa went alone without at least trying to call assistance from Munakata or telling where she was going was naive, at least. At first it seemed logical to me that it was just a simple rescue mission and she wasn't going to stay. That's when what you just said hit me hard now: What she was going to do there? Did she think she could solve the problem? and if she did, how? I really tought, baffled, that she was going to act like Naegi and try to use "words to stop violence", but what you said suggests she was ready to fight, I mean why staying if what she just heard from Ruruka was that her students were in danger.She couldn't possibly know that it was related to the persons Munakata said to stay aware of...of course it isn't SHOWN in the anime that this was her reason but it could give an possible explanation for the people that were confused(at least me) as to why she would do such reckless decision. That being said it's pretty confusing from this point because next scene she is already in the chair, Why didn't she put more of a fight like you said? I think she does has the skill.People might say Peku was distracted, but that's some ninja type shit we are seeing here, she was HOLDING the damn sword and didn't feel it was out of her grip for a long second. Other might say it was just for humor purpose but in world where anything can fucking happen you don't what is just a joke or exists in this show's universe. I guess the one thing that sort of changed and makes up (not a whole lot) some of it was that Chisa's rash behavior does in fact reflect some character development (sorta). Imo the fact that she doesn't even think about checking her phone or telling Munakata reflects just how much the class meant to her by this point. I mean at the beginning she was happy, encouraging them and supporting them but overall wasn't actually involved with them. At that starting point she was also constantly shown (or at least shown more often then later on) talking with Munakata by phone. So I guess the fact that in this late half of the series when she doesn't even think about Munakata until she's about to fall into despair reflects just how much her affection for her class has grown and how much they matter to her. Thanks for the input, feel free to continue off of me if you think of anything and if not, thanks for the short but fruitful discussion! No problem at all! I totally agree with you it shows the dynamics of their relation. Moreover we reach at what think is a main theme in the show( one of them, at least): True fidelity, that is the belief in someone, can only be achievied when there is an affective element, more than constancy over time because it would mean just a obligation, devoted of love and,therefore, not fidelity. This regards what you said about Chisa's relation with them. Furthermore, fidelity will be always open to doubt, as somenone can question the bond that links the person to the other, for an amount of reasons, the most important: the person's commitement over time with me. So how do you create and unbounded commitement, that is how can I be unconditionally available to the others? Well I draw strenght of something bigger than myself, something that trancends an appeal: HOPE, and well... that's what this is show is about if I am not wrong. |
Sep 19, 2016 9:19 AM
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4Dissinity said: You don't want senpai (lol not even sure if I'm senpai) to notice you? xDgust11 said: 4Dissinity said: nobody199 said: 4Dissinity said: nobody199 said: 4Dissinity said: nobody199 said: Also I feel people will disagree with me but I didn't care that chiaka died, in fact, she deserve it! Talk about the lack of common sense that these supposed geniuses doesn't have! Didn't she really suspect that her teacher was fine and well, honestly calm, not even worried about her and the others and ,most of all, conviniently found her!? Sorry but I give 2/5 for this episode. lol damn. Talk about despairingly cruel. They are only "geniuses" in whatever field they are talented in. That doesn't mean they are smart at every seemingly common or logical thing. Hagakure, Akane, Tsumiki, and Ibuki (I think Ibuki as well) certainly are not that smart when it comes to that. Chiaki's just a high school student who is really good at video games and knows a lot about them. That is it. Nothing less or more, tbh. She wouldn't fully know that Chisa would be doing something like that to her, especially for the fact that it is Chisa that really helped break her out of her shell and had given her the hope of bringing everyone together and finally making friends, so it is no surprise that she believed her, but even then, she had doubts as to what is wrong with her, as this episode showed her frequently questioning her, but since she isn't fully certain as to how she is and, from what I assume, doesn't want to completely misjudge someone who she respects and loves so much, she went along with what Chisa was going to "show" her anyway. How can she even judge chisa? Judgement is preceded by observation, questioning, hypothesis. Chiaki just waked in an empty floor, with no idea where she was nor where her friends were and suddenly just happens to see her teacher, same teacher that she had left behind with dangerous and crazy individuals who HARMED her friends. She has every right to ask questions, simply because she can't even judge her if she doesn't know what happened. Im not saying chiaki HAD TO KNOW that it was a lie, but by not showing her asking those questions it gives the impression she didn't even tried. Oh wait. I just realized that I said that this episode had shown her frequently questioning her. That's obviously not true. Idk why I said that. lol But even then, Chiaki did question her as to whether where Chisa was leading her was really the right way, along with showing expressions of doubt while following her. While she has every right to ask a lot of questions, that doesn't mean that she has to in order to show doubt, as judgement doesn't have to always be about asking questions. She clearly showed doubt on her mind through her expressions. Yes, Chiaki somehow woke up randomly in a room, but Chisa, however, made herself look very convincing that she was alright with a worrisome expression to Chiaki as to whether she was okay or not when she was waking up, and that Chisa is totally fine in helping the others while she was helping Chiaki up, as Chisa was looking like she is still the hopeful and fair leader helping everyone out, and along with the "you can still turn back if you'd like" Chisa made, it's like she saying that there isn't any need to be afraid. Yes, Chiaki knew that she was left with three dangerous students, but she didn't know whether she really was messed up in any way or not, or whether she escaped or dealt with them without any harm or not. She doesn't even know if Chisa was in the same situation as she herself was or not, that being that she suddenly came to an unknown room and woke up, albeit before Chiaki herself. There are a lot of things that she was unsure of that can go either way for her, and with very little time as well. While you say it's common sense to never believe someone like Chisa due to the situations they are, one can argue that it is also common sense to actually do believe, as what I said before, the relationship Chisa and Chiaki both clearly had for each other in the earlier episodes. Chisa helped Chiaki gain the strength and hope in breaking out of her inner shell and finally bringing everyone together while making friends. Chisa gave Chiaki so much hope that Chiaki herself also gave everyone else the motivational talk in finding Chisa when she thought she's in danger. Chiaki very clearly looks up to her greatly for all of this. This is just like Tsumiki while she suddenly pushed Chiaki into the hidden room and was leading everyone else into a trap, as she made herself look very convincing that she was totally fine with her usual behavior, and really wanted to help find Chisa along with the others, despite the fact that she herself had been missing and that everyone else had been worried about her and that they were able to find absolutely no traces of her. The kind of behavior, along with the close relationship she had with the rest of her classmates, pretty much made everyone else believe with going towards whether Tsumiki was leading them to. I don't think it's difficult to notice that there is something strange with Chisa's behavior, hence why I find her not very convencing( I said I), as we saw, Chisa is very energetic, hyper-active, and speaks a higher tone than she was speaking in this episode( and...maybe a little seductive,erotic? I don't know! similiar to Tsumiki when she was brainwashed), but mostly that smile regarding a malicious intent, the narrowed eyes, the assymetrical smile, the invasion of space with physical contact, Chisa was never one to do that. Even the "you can still turn back if you like". Why would she? If Chiaki looks up to her so much why would she have any doubts about turning back, after all they are their friends, one of them possibly is a traitor because it pushed Chiaki, this place is clearly more misterious and complex than they tought they NEED to stick together, to me, it's very obvious. What? While she is usually energetic, she isn't always, especially when taking things seriously, confronting someone, or when comforting someone. It'd be even more suspicious if she didn't act accordingly to the situation to hide how she really is now. She also spoke in the exact same tone as she usually did. One when she takes things seriously (as she did to Chiaki in the last episode) or to ease someone's pain (did in last episode and this episode), and one who is usually in the energetic or cheerful sounding one (did in this episode).And what seduction? lol She never acted that way. I really don't know what you're talking about. No, you're not getting my point at all. She's not saying that little saying as a way for Chiaki to literally have doubt. lol She said that as a way of easing someone by making it seem like that she had a choice on the matter (when really she didn't) and that there isn't anything to feel with doubt by saying something that looks like a fair choice and that it was completely on the matter. This isn't an uncommon method at all. Used all the time in different media. gust11 said: @nobody199 So you seem to be a fairly observant watcher, I'll ask you this question that's been bugging me since an ep or two ago. Not me, despite all the things I've said? ;-; lol Fine. Whatever. No. You smashed my feelings, so screw you. Ignore me. >_> lol |
Sep 19, 2016 11:27 AM
#463
AmyTwo said: @Nikkun-Sensei I just remembered, but it's kind of hard to recommend watching the Despair Arc of DR3 first than continue on to the Animation and the Future Arc since the very first episode of the Despair Arc shows Chisa remarking about her own death that happened in the very first episode of the Future Arc. Not to mention that the Despair Arc spoils Junko and Mukuro as being the main antagonists of DR1, along with a few other things like the Ultimate Imposter being just that instead of being the real Byakuya like DR2 tried to make it as before it's revealed otherwise there. So no, no I wouldn't. Sorry about the huge misunderstanding I've been making. I forget sch very important things at times. Ya I realized that as well a little after sharing the comment. Maybe Animation - Despair - Future would work best |
Sep 19, 2016 1:15 PM
#464
nobody199 said: you are right, but we don't see the same thing happening with the student council in zetsobou-hen do we? The student council wasn't as closely knit together as classes 77 and 78 Nikkun-Sensei said: AmyTwo said: @Nikkun-Sensei I just remembered, but it's kind of hard to recommend watching the Despair Arc of DR3 first than continue on to the Animation and the Future Arc since the very first episode of the Despair Arc shows Chisa remarking about her own death that happened in the very first episode of the Future Arc. Not to mention that the Despair Arc spoils Junko and Mukuro as being the main antagonists of DR1, along with a few other things like the Ultimate Imposter being just that instead of being the real Byakuya like DR2 tried to make it as before it's revealed otherwise there. So no, no I wouldn't. Sorry about the huge misunderstanding I've been making. I forget sch very important things at times. Ya I realized that as well a little after sharing the comment. Maybe Animation - Despair - Future would work best The right way to watch it is Danganronpa 1 (game) or Danganronpa the animation [playing the game is the better choice] -> Danganronpa 2 -> Danganronpa AE (optional, one can just read a summary or see a playthrough) -> Danganronpa 3 Future episode 1 -> Danganronpa 3 Despair episode 1 -> DR Future episode 2 and so on |
Sep 19, 2016 2:39 PM
#465
Nooooooo! This ep went too far! FUCK I loved and hated every second of it. |
Sep 19, 2016 2:53 PM
#466
MightyM16 said: The right way to watch it is Danganronpa 1 (game) or Danganronpa the animation [playing the game is the better choice] -> Danganronpa 2 -> Danganronpa AE (optional, one can just read a summary or see a playthrough) -> Danganronpa 3 Future episode 1 -> Danganronpa 3 Despair episode 1 -> DR Future episode 2 and so on So pretty much the release order that they currently have going. My original thought though was that parts of the future arc are spoiled by watching the despair arc, so in that it may be better to watch the entirety of either Despair or Future first |
Sep 19, 2016 3:14 PM
#467
Nikkun-Sensei said: MightyM16 said: The right way to watch it is Danganronpa 1 (game) or Danganronpa the animation [playing the game is the better choice] -> Danganronpa 2 -> Danganronpa AE (optional, one can just read a summary or see a playthrough) -> Danganronpa 3 Future episode 1 -> Danganronpa 3 Despair episode 1 -> DR Future episode 2 and so on So pretty much the release order that they currently have going. My original thought though was that parts of the future arc are spoiled by watching the despair arc, so in that it may be better to watch the entirety of either Despair or Future first With that being said, I think you can at least continue watching the Despair Arc, just as long as you watch the Future Arc of the first episode for it, first, unless I'm forgetting something else. @MightyM16 I just remembered this as well, but are there not manga versions of DR1 and 2? If those are good and accurate, then they can go with those if they don't want to play the games to get caught up, although, like watching Danganronpa the animation, it's probably better to still play the games to get as much information about the characters and the events as possible, though they at least give the gist of everything happening if that's all they want to know. |
AmyTwoSep 19, 2016 3:27 PM
Sep 19, 2016 4:46 PM
#468
Yeah, so easily deceived and brainwashed People said "Nanami is their hope, of course they'll be like that" but I still think they're dumb (When arrived in Trial Room, only Komaeda realized it was a trap) |
Sep 19, 2016 6:26 PM
#469
AmyTwo said: Nikkun-Sensei said: MightyM16 said: The right way to watch it is Danganronpa 1 (game) or Danganronpa the animation [playing the game is the better choice] -> Danganronpa 2 -> Danganronpa AE (optional, one can just read a summary or see a playthrough) -> Danganronpa 3 Future episode 1 -> Danganronpa 3 Despair episode 1 -> DR Future episode 2 and so on So pretty much the release order that they currently have going. My original thought though was that parts of the future arc are spoiled by watching the despair arc, so in that it may be better to watch the entirety of either Despair or Future first With that being said, I think you can at least continue watching the Despair Arc, just as long as you watch the Future Arc of the first episode for it, first, unless I'm forgetting something else. @MightyM16 I just remembered this as well, but are there not manga versions of DR1 and 2? If those are good and accurate, then they can go with those if they don't want to play the games to get caught up, although, like watching Danganronpa the animation, it's probably better to still play the games to get as much information about the characters and the events as possible, though they at least give the gist of everything happening if that's all they want to know. I don't know if the manga is entirely translated into english though or how good it is |
Sep 19, 2016 9:13 PM
#470
MightyM16 said: AmyTwo said: Nikkun-Sensei said: MightyM16 said: The right way to watch it is Danganronpa 1 (game) or Danganronpa the animation [playing the game is the better choice] -> Danganronpa 2 -> Danganronpa AE (optional, one can just read a summary or see a playthrough) -> Danganronpa 3 Future episode 1 -> Danganronpa 3 Despair episode 1 -> DR Future episode 2 and so on So pretty much the release order that they currently have going. My original thought though was that parts of the future arc are spoiled by watching the despair arc, so in that it may be better to watch the entirety of either Despair or Future first With that being said, I think you can at least continue watching the Despair Arc, just as long as you watch the Future Arc of the first episode for it, first, unless I'm forgetting something else. @MightyM16 I just remembered this as well, but are there not manga versions of DR1 and 2? If those are good and accurate, then they can go with those if they don't want to play the games to get caught up, although, like watching Danganronpa the animation, it's probably better to still play the games to get as much information about the characters and the events as possible, though they at least give the gist of everything happening if that's all they want to know. I don't know if the manga is entirely translated into english though or how good it is Oh, okay. I assumed that it was already, but I never really checked myself. Thx. |
Sep 19, 2016 9:59 PM
#471
Yasamura said: Yeah, so easily deceived and brainwashed People said "Nanami is their hope, of course they'll be like that" but I still think they're dumb (When arrived in Trial Room, only Komaeda realized it was a trap) Even Naegi, the Ultimate Hope can be brainwashed so it's doesn't mean that they are stupid. |
Sep 19, 2016 10:00 PM
#472
They should have had Chisa kill Chiaki at the end instead of the spikes. TRUE DESPAIR |
Sep 20, 2016 1:54 AM
#473
Pride- said: Basically, all Danganronpa characters are stupid beside the main characters (Naegi, Kirigiri, Togami, Hinata, Nanami, Komaeda)Yasamura said: Yeah, so easily deceived and brainwashed People said "Nanami is their hope, of course they'll be like that" but I still think they're dumb (When arrived in Trial Room, only Komaeda realized it was a trap) Even Naegi, the Ultimate Hope can be brainwashed so it's doesn't mean that they are stupid. By stupid, I meant, you know... when in class trial they often to said irrelevant things and other nonsense |
Sep 20, 2016 8:39 AM
#474
I hope the next episode will explain the mastermind's actions, only 1 episode to explain things in future seems like too little. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Sep 20, 2016 6:59 PM
#475
Yasamura said: Pride- said: Basically, all Danganronpa characters are stupid beside the main characters (Naegi, Kirigiri, Togami, Hinata, Nanami, Komaeda)Yasamura said: Yeah, so easily deceived and brainwashed People said "Nanami is their hope, of course they'll be like that" but I still think they're dumb (When arrived in Trial Room, only Komaeda realized it was a trap) Even Naegi, the Ultimate Hope can be brainwashed so it's doesn't mean that they are stupid. By stupid, I meant, you know... when in class trial they often to said irrelevant things and other nonsense Gundam create a prefect Murder, Tsumiki and Mahiru were very useful in the trials. Sonia is the character with most "consents" in the series, Twogami is around Real Togami in terms of intelligence. Even Teruteru made a murder more complex than any other in DR1. They are not stupid. |
Sep 20, 2016 9:25 PM
#476
Pride- said: Yasamura said: Pride- said: Yasamura said: Yeah, so easily deceived and brainwashed People said "Nanami is their hope, of course they'll be like that" but I still think they're dumb (When arrived in Trial Room, only Komaeda realized it was a trap) Even Naegi, the Ultimate Hope can be brainwashed so it's doesn't mean that they are stupid. By stupid, I meant, you know... when in class trial they often to said irrelevant things and other nonsense Gundam create a prefect Murder, Tsumiki and Mahiru were very useful in the trials. Sonia is the character with most "consents" in the series, Twogami is around Real Togami in terms of intelligence. Even Teruteru made a murder more complex than any other in DR1. They are not stupid. Except the Killers, the most contributial characters in sdr2 are Hinata, Nanami, Komaeda Well, I admit sometime the others are contributing but they tend to track away the case to the way that killer want Why are we debating this again? Okay they're not stupid they're just a bit dumb sometime, satisfied? |
Sep 21, 2016 12:58 AM
#477
But they are young , like 15-17?I think they are all too innocent , that's why they get trapped and brainwashed that easily.(my opinion,since i used to be dumb and easy to impress at this age) It's hard to see Nanami dying again...But this time was way too cruel ... |
akira21yunSep 21, 2016 2:27 AM
Sep 21, 2016 11:39 AM
#478
I know for a fact that Izuru hates junko more than anyone else. I know Izuru joined her because he was extremely bored and wanted to see how unpredictable despair really was. However he was dissatisfied and bored of junkos plans. Then realized junko had been using him the entire time and he wants revenge. So why do so many people think junko broke him? He stronger and smarter than her i assume. I mean its pretty obvious that he doesn't give two shits about her or her plans he only joined out of curiosity. |
Sep 21, 2016 9:19 PM
#479
BaconKingpin said: I know for a fact that Izuru hates junko more than anyone else. I know Izuru joined her because he was extremely bored and wanted to see how unpredictable despair really was. However he was dissatisfied and bored of junkos plans. Then realized junko had been using him the entire time and he wants revenge. So why do so many people think junko broke him? He stronger and smarter than her i assume. I mean its pretty obvious that he doesn't give two shits about her or her plans he only joined out of curiosity. When you say hate, do you mean Izuru hates Junko the most or that nobody hates Junko as much as Izuru? Because the latter is probably nonsense, if there's anyone who hates Junko more than anyone else at this point, its probably Munakata with Nagito in second. A lot of characters are stronger and smarter than Junko. Being the main facilitator of Despair gives her a sort of untouchable plot armor that extends to nearly everyone, Izuru included hence why he was pissed that she used him but couldn't do shit about it when she was alive. Naegi's in the same boat as Junko. Strongest in the series but not because of any sort of skill. |
Sep 22, 2016 4:06 AM
#480
Gilgamesh said: BaconKingpin said: I know for a fact that Izuru hates junko more than anyone else. I know Izuru joined her because he was extremely bored and wanted to see how unpredictable despair really was. However he was dissatisfied and bored of junkos plans. Then realized junko had been using him the entire time and he wants revenge. So why do so many people think junko broke him? He stronger and smarter than her i assume. I mean its pretty obvious that he doesn't give two shits about her or her plans he only joined out of curiosity. When you say hate, do you mean Izuru hates Junko the most or that nobody hates Junko as much as Izuru? Because the latter is probably nonsense, if there's anyone who hates Junko more than anyone else at this point, its probably Munakata with Nagito in second. A lot of characters are stronger and smarter than Junko. Being the main facilitator of Despair gives her a sort of untouchable plot armor that extends to nearly everyone, Izuru included hence why he was pissed that she used him but couldn't do shit about it when she was alive. Naegi's in the same boat as Junko. Strongest in the series but not because of any sort of skill. True he probably hates her the most also I just realized that Junko and Naegi are Gary/Mary Sues. I was just saying I highly doubt she was able to break him I mean it's Izuru. Also when has despair ever made anyone super violent it seems that whenever someone falls into despair they become insane. |
Sep 22, 2016 10:00 AM
#481
Holy shit it hurt seeing Nanami getting tortured, she's the cutest. I couldn't stand this episode. :( |
Sep 27, 2016 12:52 PM
#482
Poor Nanami, I was really thinking she will survive :{. Great episode to end this season, except the part where all the class fall into despair in 3 seconds. Junko is great as a vilain. I expected something just good, but I loved this season, it was so much better than the first Danganronpa. I think the main difference is the pacing. Now I'm eager to watch again Izuru in a sequel. |
Oct 3, 2016 10:30 AM
#483
Nanami death scene was unnecessary brutal and way too long. |
Oct 3, 2016 5:13 PM
#484
Whoa, am I imagining things? Did they actually create a homosexual character who isn't comedy fodder or the butt of jokes!? I am proud of you, Danganronpa. If they can create purely lesbian character (in any other series) without having the said character turning out to be bisexual or pansexual but a real, solid lesbian then there is hope for the Anime/manga industry. My heart ached for Nanami and how much she suffered. |
臭い- |
Oct 5, 2016 5:12 PM
#485
Oct 9, 2016 2:12 AM
#486
Junko best girl confirmed. |
Oct 20, 2016 1:44 PM
#487
Ryougi_Shiki_ said: Junko best girl confirmed. Agreed, made my day, it was pure pleasure to watch Chiaki die, great xp provided by Junko. |
Oct 22, 2016 12:26 PM
#488
Those last 4-5 minutes were some of the most horrified and depressed I've been while watching an episode of anime. That hurt my heart. The sloshing sound that played when she was trying to move in the pool of her own blood was brutal. Chiaki was the best character and to see that happen to her was so hard to watch, especially the "No... I'm not ready to go" followed by "Please, just one more game... We had so much fun, didn't we?" She suffered so much in her last moments. Ironic how Hinata underwent the experiment in order to become someone who could impress Chiaki, and that indirectly ends up being the cause of her death. So sad. Hinata's last words to her were something about her stats being high, and then that side of him barely breaks through in the end as Izuru when he cries upon picking up the hairpiece. RIP Chiaki, my favorite character from DR2 and DR3 - Despair side. |
jdimaria3Oct 22, 2016 2:09 PM
Nov 9, 2016 5:29 PM
#489
Dec 24, 2016 6:44 AM
#490
Aww poor Nanami :( |
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Jan 4, 2017 12:11 AM
#491
I regret putting this arc off to the side with 50 other anime and not finishing it while it aired xD (I'm just surprised mostly at how I wasn't spoiled all these months) Idk if it was just my gaydar going off but I'm not surprised that Juzo ended up being gay for Kyousuke. I'm just sad for him because since I watched the despair arc first (which I probably shouldn't of had done) that I know what his fate ends up being as. I am sad about Chiaki's death though. Seeing someone as cute as hopeful as her be tortured and then executed for the sake of brainwashing her friends is sad. The brainwashing thing on the class was weird though, I like how Yukizome was brasinwashed better. Those last words Chiaki said to Izuru got me though, especially after Izuru started to cry. |
Jan 7, 2017 8:01 PM
#492
Jan 15, 2017 10:03 AM
#494
damn, i am sad but also very mad. I saw it coming, but not like this.... |
Apr 22, 2017 3:42 AM
#496
The hope died, and now what? THe begining of the end? :/ |
Apr 25, 2017 12:22 PM
#497
- Junko, keep doing what you're doing, the inevitable death is inevitable... damn, I didn't care much for Chiaki but her punishment was so despair-inducing... I want to type 'I loved it' but I can't... it was... kinda hard to watch, probably would've been a lot worse... traumatizing even if the blood was red. - The cast of DR2's transformation into remnants was... eh, weak. I was expecting them to be like how Chisa or Mikan turned out not all at once, like that. |
Jun 21, 2017 3:52 AM
#498
Well, that was so hopelessly disappointing it almost reminded me of Zeta's finale. Except for Juuzou's gayness. That was pretty cool. Also, when do the events of DR0 fit in this? And by that I mean the time Junko spent as an amnesiac. Is it before or after killing Chiaki and recruiting the Ultimate Despairs? How much time has passed since the beginning of the new school year, exactly? What did the 77th class do after right after that? Whatever I guess. Oh and I did like her speech to Izuru, even though she should've died on the spot I think. MonoReaper said: It bugs the hell out of me too. Feels like torture porn for the sake of it instead of a real, decent explanation for the class falling into despair. I get that Chiaki's death would hurt them a lot, but that brainwashing still felt cheap as fuck and just not enough to make all of them go crazy. No mention of each character's personal flaws, insecurities, grudges, secrets and stuff. Just mass-brainwashing no better than what Junko did with the Reserve Course students. I can get that Chisa would get got since Mukuro directly messed with her brain, but the rest of the class? Nah, man. Niet. Nada. Cheap. It was depressing but not in a good way.It sill bugs me how the went all full despair in this episode. I mean remeber this or the conversation between Nagito and Monokuma? |
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Sep 29, 2017 11:24 PM
#499
OMGGGGGGGG This feels even harder than Madoka !!! |
Jan 3, 2018 2:46 AM
#500
Chisa oppai. Sakakura lost to Junko? Sakakura loves Chisa? No. He loves Kyousuke? Nani!? lol at the pics. Mikan so cute. STFU Hiyoko! LMAO at Kazuichi's face. Chisa pushed Chiaki into the elevator. Those eyes. Junko on the screen. Dat ost! Chiaki will complete Junko's video of zetsubou. Oh shit! Dat class trial room. Time for Chiaki's punishment. OH SHIT! Right through the foot. Dat boulder. OH SHIT! Dem balls hit her in the face. Akane oppai. WTF hit her in the leg? Oh shit! Dat ost! Those eyes. STFU Hiyoko! You gon watch this video. Mikan so cute. I mean...look away Mikan! Dat door. OH SHIT!!!!!!!!!!! Right through the chest! I knew that was going to happen. Okay. I didn't foresee spikes coming up from the ground though. Still...HOLY SHIT!!!! Game over. lol at Nagito's face. LMAO at Nagito. She's still alive? Izuru. Dem Izuru tears. Amazing episode. All dat zetsubou! I was waiting for Chiaki to die. lol Now I'm just waiting for one more Chiaki related thing to be explained. So the question now is...who is going to clean up all that Pepto Bismol off the floor? |
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