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| At least he didnt ruin Miotsukishi. Then again that Satoko is unlikely to do something like this. |
| Okay, with Satoko going through the exact same thing twice, her villain origin story makes a lot more sense! I mainly blame the unnamed deity who gave Satoko looping powers. She wasn't so murderous when they started drifting apart the first time. |
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Thanos_ said: Chargecoulomb said: We already have a pretty good grasp of what her thoughts are. A big problem with Gou is the plot itself. No matter how much you fill it up it will still be bad. Ryuukishi wrote an entire book or something for Gou. He planned this out in advance. I disagree. I don't think the problem is the idea of the plot, but instead the execution. Like the repetition of early arcs, and the rushed part in this ending. The need for the repetition for newcomers is probably a production constraint. In a visual novel this was not needed. Planning and the execution for the anime are two different things. R07 is primarily a visual novel writer, anime have different people involved in production side, more constraints. They adapted his script like they adapted the original VNs. No matter how much information you add the key plot points have to stay the same. If they change, then its not Gou. The point is whether it is the VN, the Anime or the LN the plot will not change. No matter what tips/slice of life/ thoughs you add to it. |
| If we will have a smart ending or a dull one, just the last episode can tell us, but by now I'm almost sure that the hand getting the looper-killer sword fragment in the OP is Satoko's. What this means if not suicidal Satoko, I really don't know |
| OK, what is even happening here? Starting from Satokowashi arc, Satoko's character progression had a believable movement from point A to B to C. In this episode, however, it went from point C to point Y and I can see point Z (the entrails extraction scene) from here already. Well, there's this shot from episode 16.  Maybe this is foreshadowing to reveal that Satoko has retained her HS somehow? This would certainly explain this sudden and bizarre jump from 'mad at a friend' to just 'mad'. Love the visuals of the ED, though. I see that Silver Link was the studio that worked on it. I knew those visuals looked familiar. |
astroprogsFeb 25, 2021 11:06 AM
| Damn, to walk towards the same fate a 2nd time, that was dumb from Satoko lol. It's her first time jumping though, and I don't think "she" gave her free will to walk a completely different path. Even if she chose to, it sounded more like an illusion of a 2nd chance. Either that or her 2nd chance was where she'd answer "her" if she agrees or declines. But I think that if she refused she'd be brought to the starting point again. She'd have to either accept the path she chose or kill herself and begin. "She" came looking for entertainment, after all. There were a lot of references to Ciconia. Ppl can't hold their tongue about spoiling it though, so I skipped reading the posts. The only name I know about is Vier. That specimen thing sounds like something from ciconia, but the other name I have no clue. The ED is actually beautiful, thought the first one is a lot more. Those are the only good things about Gou after all, the opening and the ending. The finger snapping strikes again. |
Thanos_ said: Where did you get this information that he wrote Gou as a visual novel script and then was adapted? Adaptation can turn something to shit, Umineko is a classic example. The script was designed straight for the anime, this is a lot different than write a visual novel. Anyway I disagree the problem is the plot itself. Now that the Anime is out, theyre not gonna add a ton more details in a possible VN. Ryuukishi wrote a bookfull of stuff for Gou, and hes been getting it ready for some time. I read that in an article or interview about Gou. Im sure It is from a reliable source. As for the plot being whats wrong with gou... If you say otherwise. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Ive talked about it before and honestly I dont feel like typing essays saying the same thing over and over. Uminekos anime botched the details but still followed the plot more or less. Gou's worst part is its inconsistent plot. Depressimg when a spin off Gacha game has a better story than what Gou has to say. |
ChargecoulombFeb 25, 2021 11:25 AM
| I was wondering where this timeline fit in until they repeated the St. Lucia fiasco... God dammit! As soon as I saw the chandelier, I knew she would use it to kill Rika but I thought she would kill her with her friends, not commit suicide along with her. Nice touch, Satoko! xD Of course I'm biased but I still think Satoko is salvageable. What makes me doubt is the number of episodes left, with 3 episodes I don't know if they can wrap it up nicely. They updated the OP with the new lady... that smile.. yes! xD. It also now shows the box instead of the teddy bear, I always like it when they make these kinds of changes. The new ED is great, I already loved the song but the visuals are great too. I love that chandelier. As for the new character, it seems to involve another series so.... okay, I'm as confused as Satoko haha. |
| I can't even defend this shit anymore. wtf Ryukishi? what happened? |
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Thanos_ said: Chargecoulomb said: We already have a pretty good grasp of what her thoughts are. A big problem with Gou is the plot itself. No matter how much you fill it up it will still be bad. Ryuukishi wrote an entire book or something for Gou. He planned this out in advance. I disagree. I don't think the problem is the idea of the plot, but instead the execution. Like the repetition of early arcs, and the rushed part in this ending. The need for the repetition for newcomers is probably a production constraint. In a visual novel this was not needed. Planning and the execution for the anime are two different things. R07 is primarily a visual novel writer, anime have different people involved in production side, more constraints. They won't force him to rewrite the arcs for newcomers, R07 himself said that he wrote Gou after he discussed making a remake with his friends and he thought it would be great to have a "remake", so he wrote Gou...... (how is that a remake R07?) and even if the production committee for some reason asked R07 to make the arcs newcomer friendly at first, he could've just wrote completely new arcs not the same thing but different here and there. in conclusion i think the plot that R07 wrote is bad, and the execution is also bad. It could've been cool, 2 loopers fighting throw worlds and bla bla but he made it as a remake to troll the viewers, haha it was actually a sequel guys haha. 3 useless arcs + Rika and Satoko being weird characters (especially Satoko, she lost her mind). |
Tsukumo_YuumaFeb 25, 2021 11:48 AM
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Oleogm said: For the people who is in deep lore of Umineko: There are any hints in the ways Featherine called Satoko? Because I didn't get any of the names They are not Umineko's names. One of them is from Ciconia, the others are likely from Ciconia too and possibility related to Lambdadelta, but Vier looks like Takano. swordmaster2551 said: Chargecoulomb said: You mean how Satoko is back in Matsuri again? Featherine person probabaly looped time. If Rika had died she would have known it. Not her death itself, but that fact that she had beat Matsuri again. Yeah I guess since Featherine is literally more powerful than Hanyuu, she could have just rewound time in the world instead of jumping to a new one like Hanyuu + Rika usually do. That's my assumption because otherwise it makes no sense. |
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| I don't agree at all with people claiming Rika and Satoko are acting OOC. First of all, it's been 5 years since the original series, long enough for both of them to have considerable changes in their personalities. And second, Rika doesn't seem to have retained her memories of most of the previous loops from the original, and so it makes sense that she hasn't come to the same conclusions as she did then, this time accepting her fate rather than fighting it. I also think that Satoko's personality has been considerably affected by her Aunt and Uncle, and her anger at Rika 'abandoning' her, is probably related to trauma from Satoshi's disappearance. Another thing I want to mention is the reason Satoshi hasn't appeared. Hinamizawa syndrome wasn't the only reason that he was confined to the Irie clinic, Irie states that because of the disease he also suffered considerable damage to his mind, which wouldn't just go away, even if Hinamizawa syndrome has been cured. I'm also wondering if this episode may hint that Miotsukushi is canon, as Satoko looped back and experience another fragment that was very similar to Matsuribayashi. So that confirms that there are multiple fragments that Satoko has experienced where Rika defeated Takano. Maybe not though because it seems like this one was the only time she won since Satoko became a looper, and it may just be because Featherine rewound time, rather than going to a new fragment. The biggest problem with Gou is that the first 3 arcs feel pointless. They have lots of hints and setup to the Satoko reveal, but they feel pointless since we've already seen similar arcs so many times. If the original hadn't ever been released, and this was the first Higurashi anime, I don't think it would be as hated by some people as it is. Not that I can actually think of a way of removing the first arcs without making the Satako reveal be out of place. |
| I'm afraid that there isn't enough time to make a great ending for all this development |
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| The episode went by pretty much as expected; we see Satoko experience the first loop and it ends up as badly as the first time she experienced St Lucia. Honestly, both her and Rika aren't acting optimally. They're both frustrated and rightfully so. I do think Satoko did well when she voiced her fears to Rika before actually enrolling. But apparently she still acted bleh once she'd enrolled. I do hope we get more Featherine and other Umineko characters. If this was just it, then it feels like it came out of nowhere and pretty much had nothing to do with the story. If she's just used to give Satoko the looper ability and then she nopes out of the story... man oh man. Even though it was a predictable episode, it was probably one of the better ones and very enjoyable. I do have the feeling we're going to get a rushed ending though, like the other three arcs... |
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Fantyyy said: lmao all these self-proclaimed experts in writing So when all Satoko did was suffering from her abuse and Satoshi's disappearance her unnatural clinging to others was fine, but now that you see the other side of that personality she's suddenly unredeemable and it's all her fault? This is what's called good character writing, take notes self-proclaimed anime writer PhDs Was Satoko suffering at the end of Kai? Was she suffering before enrolling in St. Lucia? And you should take notes as well. Satoko having a mental breakdown is fine. It doesnt mean that it was handled well. Just because a character's potential development makes sense it doesnt mean that you can reach that with a low effort cash grab. Wanna make Satoko irredeemable? Sure.At least make her a villain that I WANT to have on screen just like Takano, Erika or every other Umineko antagonist. |
| damn satoko.. i would be horrified if something like that happened T.T the visuals for the ed were pretty nice |
More Ciconia references  Here she says 赤き海の星 "the star of the red sea" not only red sea |
| Say what you want but this series has been entertaining as hell whether it's good or bad. |
Alphonse_Harry said: i assumed red sea was a reference to the glass sea considering what it representsMore Ciconia references Here she says 赤き海の星 "the star of the red sea" not only red sea |
| now that Satoko can loop, there should be a universe where she gets so smart by studying over and over on every loop, she out-elegant Rika, oh boi |
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| Featherine-ish: says "Vier" Me: *FLINCH* Gou is truly the trainwreck(?) that keeps on giving |
| HOLY CRAP I FIGURED IT OUT When I watched this episode, I got deja vu from an anime, but I forgot what it was. I just remembered, this is literally the first episode of Redo of a Healer. Anyways, I just wanted to say that lol. |
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| Homegirl really be committing shinjū at every fragment she can't dissuade Rika from pursuing education. You can only have so much possessiveness... I hate this show. I don't even think there's enough time left for a reconciliation arc. I'm legitimately thinking Passione might make Rika kill Satoko off with onigari-no-ryuou, even though it'd be a highly controversial choice for fans. That would be the only non-asspull way to properly conclude Gou at this point given there's only 3 eps left and we only now got the whydunit at episode freaking 21 lmao. |
AuronFeb 25, 2021 1:34 PM
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Fantyyy said: ssjokg said: Was Satoko suffering at the end of Kai? Was she suffering before enrolling in St. Lucia? And you should take notes as well. Satoko having a mental breakdown is fine. It doesnt mean that it was handled well. Just because a character's potential development makes sense it doesnt mean that you can reach that with a low effort cash grab. Wanna make Satoko irredeemable? Sure.At least make her a villain that I WANT to have on screen just like Takano, Erika or every other Umineko antagonist. Oof, looks like I hit home. Satoko wasn't suffering in those cases precisely because she had someone to cling to in place of Satoshi, and in the original she was fanboyed with this same personality. They wanted to make a (totally unnecesary) sequel to an already completed story, and to do that exploited pretty much the only potential development to be exploited to move the story into a new direction. A direct sequel to Higurashi was never going to be anywhere close to as good as the original, because the original story closed that arc completely. I don't understand what people were expecting from a Higurashi sequel, it was always going to be a sweaty attempt to ride the nostalgia and get some more money out of an already finished story. Jokes on you for expecting too much, and even what little specific criticism you have doesn't make much sense tbh. Looks like Jaw and Play Maker started using their old account. Satoko still had someone to cling to but she drifted away on her own. She was the one turning down Rika's offers. Being good doesnt mean as good as the original. Asking for proper direction and writing isnt expecting too much. If you cant see that the characters and plot have issues then you are the one that doesnt make sense. |
| Ah man now we have 2 loopers stuck together with opposing goals and this is supposed to end in 3 episodes? Judging from the interview there is no second season, which makes me even more salty that they wasted the first cour like this. I am curious, do you think Satoko got the hinamizawa syndrom back from the looping? Because that would explaij her behaviour a bit. Rikas memories from loops have always been a plot device, but surely she would remember satoko beeing weird after looping with her multiple times? These last episodes from satokos pov happened before she draws the gun on Rika in the school right? So one more episode of looping showing how satoko stops Rika in the past loops, then maybe a switch back to Rikas POV figuring it out and big confrontation with some sort of ending at the finale. Just when Gou gets really interesting it will be rushed.. great. Im not sure what to think of this overall. If the first cour had not been so bad this could have been an interesting addition to higurashi, now it feels like a cashgrab. As for the characters, Satoko has indeed turned down Rika but Rika hasnt really interacted with Satoko as a friend at all either. Like I said last ep, Rika is behaving like she was described in Rei. Princess persona. She just feels a bit OOC at St. Lucia. Also shouldnt Satoko have an easy time learning since she keeps her memories?! Will we see dark Rikas/Bernkastels persona again? Maybe Rika will repeat the scene from Rei where she beats up Satoko with a chair. I dont want to get my hopes up for this but it has really become interesting again. |
Comander-07Feb 25, 2021 1:44 PM
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Rika just outgrew from satoko. That happens alot with friends as they get older. They never really did have a lot in common |
| As far that weird code name goes, it's just a Japanese wordplay for Lambdadelta Satoko. LD3105 Lambda Delta 3 = Sa 10 = To 5 = Ko I'd guess Lambda proper as she appeared in Umineko doesn't exist yet, which is why there wasn't a direct name drop. The gacha doesn't even have any of Gou's character variations yet. Comander-07 said: Rikas memories from loops have always been a plot device, but surely she would remember satoko beeing weird after looping with her multiple times? These last episodes from satokos pov happened before she draws the gun on Rika in the school right? So one more episode of looping showing how satoko stops Rika in the past loops, then maybe a switch back to Rikas POV figuring it out and big confrontation with some sort of ending at the finale. I don't think Rika has started looping again yet.At the very last, she clearly doesn't realize there were two post-1983 worlds. |
NeonDZFeb 25, 2021 5:22 PM
But it has Kingdom Hearts-like monsters to compensate, apparently. And the story revolves around Tamurahime no mikoto, everyone's favorite character. |
NeonDZ said: not in this EP but she had the suspicion in ep 18 or 19, so even if she doesnt know it yet she will in future loops.As far that weird code name goes, it's just a Japanese wordplay for Lambdadelta Satoko. LD3105 Lamba Delta 3 = Sa 10 = To 5 = Ko I'd guess Lambda proper as she appeared in Umineko doesn't exist yet, which is why there wasn't a direct name drop. The gacha doesn't even have any of Gou's character variations yet. Comander-07 said: Rikas memories from loops have always been a plot device, but surely she would remember satoko beeing weird after looping with her multiple times? These last episodes from satokos pov happened before she draws the gun on Rika in the school right? So one more episode of looping showing how satoko stops Rika in the past loops, then maybe a switch back to Rikas POV figuring it out and big confrontation with some sort of ending at the finale. I don't think Rika has started looping again yet.At the very last, she clearly doesn't realize there were two post-1983 worlds. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Satoko finally snapped (both literally and mentally) I knew a soon as I saw the chandelier that was what Satoko was gonna kill herself and Rika with. I like how she killed herself and Rika in the same place where she did here prank and hurt someone. Also I loved the new ending. It is fantastic. Having chandelier be the first and last thing the viewer sees is a nice touch.I also love the art style. The only problem that I have with the ending is that it made me a little dizzy. Overall the episode was 5/5. Cant what for next Thursday |
| Im confused... Is that really featherine? I can't understand the conversation. I think satoko and rika just have some misunderstanding to each others. And the ending holy shiet, satoko be like have no fear at all. |
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| 1'0/10 episode, I really like everything about this one. Justinian2324 said: Yay. The OP finally shows uhhh Featherine, I guess? I'm not sure. Correct me if I'm wrong, since Ryukishi07 interview stated that she's not Featherine and I'm watching this without sub in Ani One. Nice visuals also at the ED in this episode. I thought at first that we would spend another time doing the same thing, but the end scene compensates for that thing. We're already few episodes before the end, yet the situation is not solved. Season 2 might be a possibility. you can't believe an interview where Ryukishi goes with a t-shirt with a big USODA written in Red xD. He was just trolling the whole interview. |
kofmasterFeb 25, 2021 3:05 PM
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Jin_uzuki said: _Endless_ said: This was so stupid. Only three episodes left, nothing can save this show at this point. I didn't play Ciconia yet but I'm assuming you're talking about the strange names she called Satoko? Yes, Vier is a Ciconia character. Mitsuyo isn't (yet) but Anomalous Spinal Cord LD3105 sounds like something from Ciconia. Vier looks like Takano and is blonde, hence I assume the confusion.  Mitsuyo stands for the numbers 3 and 4, just another referencia to Lambda |
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