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| "Hurr hurr you don't get what Higurashi is about!" People need to stop with this nonsense. Where the fuck is the mystery in this? It's 90% recycled content, 5% original new stuff and 5% actual mystery that literally contain zero clues because it's delivered via exposition by another character. If anything I actually wonder if people defending this actually played the original, because maybe you need to go back and read Tatarigoroshi-hen to see how a proper mystery is done. The original third arc contains a bazillion of clues toward the core mystery. It told you that Takano was somehow alive past Watanagashi, Rika's ritualistic death, the GHD, Irie's suicide. Now compare it to Gou. What did the third arc show us? Satoko is suspicious? People have been saying it since arc 2 and none of the stuff she did point at anything definitive. The previous rules don't apply anymore? We knew it already. GHD doesn't happen? We knew that already. Ooshi went crazy? Literally zero clues on why and how it happened. It's so sudden and without context that you could have made any character go crazy and it would have been the same. Heck, it may not even have happened because Rena's wording are ambiguous. |
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Jin_uzuki said: "Hurr hurr you don't get what Higurashi is about!" People need to stop with this nonsense. Where the fuck is the mystery in this? It's 90% recycled content, 5% original new stuff and 5% actual mystery that literally contain zero clues because it's delivered via exposition by another character. If anything I actually wonder if people defending this actually played the original, because maybe you need to go back and read Tatarigoroshi-hen to see how a proper mystery is done. The original third arc contains a bazillion of clues toward the core mystery. It told you that Takano was somehow alive past Watanagashi, Rika's ritualistic death, the GHD, Irie's suicide. Now compare it to Gou. What did the third arc show us? Satoko is suspicious? People have been saying it since arc 2 and none of the stuff she did point at anything definitive. The previous rules don't apply anymore? We knew it already. GHD doesn't happen? We knew that already. Ooshi went crazy? Literally zero clues on why and how it happened. It's so sudden and without context that you could have made any character go crazy and it would have been the same. Heck, it may not even have happened because Rena's wording are ambiguous. I haven't seen anyone who says that Gou is on the same level as the original novels in any way. Neither did anyone say that the mystery of these new arcs is comparable and equally written. But if someone says "This series is so bad, it doesn't make sense that Teppei was still at his home." then that's just criticizm by someone who clearly doesn't understand how mystery works. Maybe the expectations of some people are simply too high. This isn't supposed to be a successor to the original novels. You won't get some completely new mystery with an astonishing plot twist you'd have never expected. This is a mixture between a remake and a sequel, an anime original which is directed differently than if it was just R07 responsible for absolutely everything. We already know about the Hinamizawa Syndrom, about the true culprit, about the culprits of each arc, about the tricks that are used and about how each arc is supposed to turn out. So all this series does is to try to give you the same arcs in a different look with a twist in it. Of course most of it is recycled content, as those are supposed do be the same arcs. So you are meant to believe that these arcs will turn out the same but they don't and you as a viewer are supposed to think about what happened instead. I do defend this show because I find it entertaining to look at the original arcs in a different way. Of course it's not comparable to the original mysteries, how could it be when we already know so much? If you want a completely new mystery that you can try and solve then you have to go play Ciconia (even though the second phase is sadly delayed). This series could have been so much but this is what we got. Even though it's not that great of a mystery it's still supposed to be solved by the viewer and that's what many people are having fun with. And regarding the plot I'd still wait for the answer arcs to give a final judgement. It is indeed somewhat disappointing that Rika's role in this "sequel" didn't change at all even though it should have. But who knows, maybe it will make more sense once we know why the cycle started again in the first place. |
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| The theory of Ryu actually not writing the mystery side of this stories, but written by BT, is just being confirmed more and more with each stuff he creates. Anything he wrote after Umineko episode 5 is just bad mysterywise. How can you mess up Higurashi this much? |
Jin_uzuki said: If anything I actually wonder if people defending this actually played the original, because maybe you need to go back and read Tatarigoroshi-hen to see how a proper mystery is done. The original third arc contains a bazillion of clues toward the core mystery. It told you that Takano was somehow alive past Watanagashi, Rika's ritualistic death, the GHD, Irie's suicide. Now compare it to Gou. Well, because Tatarigoroshi was the last question arc in the VN (not counting Himatsubushi since it's not very important) but in Gou looks like there's at least 1 more question arc (or maybe 2 and this whole season is questions), so i think we should wait before judging the mystery as unsolvable or that there's no clues, i'll agree with you if Tataridamashi was the last question arc (or if Nekodamashi is the last one and doesn't contain any important clues) |
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The official visual for the 2nd cour (i know Funimation released it weeks ago, but the official anime twitter and website didn't release it until now for the 2nd cour) |
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Eragur said: Well I'd say it depends on the type of criticizm. I've seen a lot of comments on this episode where people simply complained how it's unrealistic that Ooishi would go on a killing spree for no reason. Or how it's nonsense that Teppei is still at the Hojo residence. And those people claimed that the original was far more realistic. Those comments just show that there are a lot of people who view the Higurashi series at it's core as a splatter series with a little bit of mystery in it. These people don't want to think about the mystery, they just want to get the answers asap and if they don't get them they complain about the story being nonsense. I think many of them are disappointed because the horror atmosphere is far worse than in the original so you don't get the typical eerie feeling. THIS. This kind of comments are increasing each week and they're so annoying, that's why i'm trying not to open this discussion threads. |
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Tsukumo_Yuuma said: The official visual for the 2nd cour (i know Funimation released it weeks ago, but the official anime twitter and website didn't release it until now for the 2nd cour) Hmm I wonder why Funi released it so early. |
DCEmperor said: About Gou being "unsolvable," the truth of what was going on in OG Higurashi would have been impossible to solve if not for the Answer Arcs. I can't speak for Umineko. And there is an investment in solving the mystery in Gou to me at least. Rika keeps trying her best to prevent tragedy from striking her and her friends, but she keeps failing. Just when things are about to go right for her, things go wrong. The audience is supposed to want to solve the mystery due to their support for the main characters. Maybe that hasn't cut it for you, but plenty of people are trying to solve the mystery of Gou for these reasons. I wouldn't say that the mystery in Higurashi was unsolvable. Or I probably should say, "not all of them". I don't know how IQ200 you would have to be, but I've read some quite "obvious" pointers here and there that actually would help you solve many aspects of what was going on. Let's just say, that the involvement of certain people was indeed possible, and the events of these questions arcs were also solvable/quessable, but the motives behind them obviously not. Rika trying her best tho? Sorry but do you really think so? I really got a little bit hyped on the episode 2 when I was expecting that these arcs would just throw these deceiving arcs at Rika while she tries to surpass them, but nah. Not gonna happen, that would have been too cool for us. If the audience is supposed - emphasize Supposed - to want to solve the mysteries and support the characters, the writing is failing spectacularly. People can of course try to "solve" this but god bless them with the 5 minutes of material they get from each chapter. I've already graduated from that and now I'm just trying to think why this all is happening. |
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| Decent ending to an arc of boring CRAP. xD ...they could have cut it down to two episodes but nooooooooo let's drag it out with talking and talking and talking and MORE talking...as me and my discord group are all screaming "JUST BEAT THE BASTARD WITH THE BAT ALREADY!!!" (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ |
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Gazz said: Thats it? What the hell. Is the anime skip some important parts? The build up to this ending is great. But theres a lot of loose ends. Why Oishi wents fury and kill Kechis friend? Did Satoko planned to get Keichi killed? Coz the lightd are all turned off. How Hojo Teppei even got to the house? Horrible arc end imo. Not necesserily skipping, more so withholding them for arcs that appears later which are called "answer arcs". |
| They finally won, and then it randomly all goes to shit....GOD DAMN THIS SHOW!!!! |
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Monusha said: Gazz said: Thats it? What the hell. Is the anime skip some important parts? The build up to this ending is great. But theres a lot of loose ends. Why Oishi wents fury and kill Kechis friend? Did Satoko planned to get Keichi killed? Coz the lightd are all turned off. How Hojo Teppei even got to the house? Horrible arc end imo. Not necesserily skipping, more so withholding them for arcs that appears later which are called "answer arcs". I hope so. Because the original Higurashi is masterpiece. This remake so far is a little bit dissapointing |
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Gazz said: Monusha said: Not necesserily skipping, more so withholding them for arcs that appears later which are called "answer arcs". I hope so. Because the original Higurashi is masterpiece. This remake so far is a little bit dissapointing It's not a remake though. :l I thought this was already established. |
| I had to actually log in to talk about this episode This felt like classic 07 to me, only having read Higu and Umi and not seen the original DEEN animation. The arc was a slog but the ending more than made up for it. Gou overall has been disappointing, but this proves 07 can still write a good mystery and I am just GEEKED for the answer arc. |
| Hard mode activated lolz, It was funny asf to see satoko run out like that. Twas to fucking hilarious. |
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| Poor Rika. Keiichi did literally everything right, and yet everything still went wrong. No clue how the gang is gonna one up this one. Yet we still have another arc to see! |
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random_weirdo said: And that's the problem with this series. They wanted to tell a continuation AND attract newcomers, so instead of committing fully to a new story and a new mystery, they decided to give us this re-quel (?) and by trying to replicate the original experience, they are failing at the new one. Perhaps if they had committed to being a sequel, we would get more Rika perspective, hence more Rika trying to prevent fate, hence more impact when she fails. But how can you feel sad when things go wrong again when all she does is give Keiichi some advice and pat people on the head? Seriously, even hopeless Rika in Tsumihoroboshi did more than Gou Rika to change events. Not to mention Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi Rika. As you say, these aren't the same arcs, but arcs with a twist, and they aren't supposed to turn out the same as the OG arcs. The thing is, we old fans already knew that. Ever since we saw the first scene of ep. 2 and the "deceiving" part of each arc's title, we expected the arcs to end differently, so the only people who wouldn't expect everything going wrong by the end are newcomers. That means that they could have perfectly explored the divergences in depth, as old fans already know it's going to be different and new fans will be surprised anyway. However, by choosing to replicate the original experience as much as possible, the twist is relegated to the last 5 minutes of each arc via exposition and the differences in the overarching mystery (Takano and Tomitake disappearing, no GHD, the Yamainu, Hanyuu, even Satoko's behaviour) are barely touched upon. Seriously, this arc didn't have any clue to the overarching mystery that we didn't know already. So if things aren't being properly elaborated because they want to keep the old plot points as much as they can pull off without it being an exact copy, it's no wonder people complain. Sure, you can't judge the whole plot and call it bad until the answer arcs, but you can definitely criticise the execution. How can I think about what happened this time around when the twists are so rushed that there aren't enough clues to theorize? I'm really invested in solving the overarching mystery and the in-arc mysteries for the divergences (that's why I keep watching haha), but I can't when one of the arcs doesn't even give any clues for the overarching mystery. I just wish they had decided to make either a full remake or a full sequel. That way, we would be able to explore so many VN scenes and plot points that were skipped or glossed over in the Deen adaptation, or we would get a story that went more deeply into the differences with the original arcs and where there would be more clues to solve the mysteries. really well said! |
random_weirdo said: I just wish they had decided to make either a full remake or a full sequel. That way, we would be able to explore so many VN scenes and plot points that were skipped or glossed over in the Deen adaptation, or we would get a story that went more deeply into the differences with the original arcs and where there would be more clues to solve the mysteries. Yeah, I totally agree. They shouldn't have tried to make Gou both a sequal and a remake. The twist in the Onikakushi was great because we didn't know it was coming but now that we know that events are going to change it's not surprising anymore. But I feel like this is somewhat taken into consideration by R07. Of course everyone expects that in Watanagashi it will be Mion instead of Shion who commits the murders. And that's what seemingly happened. But if this turns out to be just a bait, it could lead to a surprising revelation in the answer arcs. Same with the new Tatarigoroshi Arc. After naming all of the new arcs "decieving" people who know the original arcs are meant to believe that the twist is going to be something similar to the Onikakushi one. But we don't even know yet how the "twist" in Onikakushi really happened. And neither do we know if the subsequent Arcs are actually following the same pattern of simply swapping two culprits. We can't say yet if it's simply something like "Ooishi became the culprit for no reason" or if there is actually an overarching reason for why things turned out like they did in the three arcs we got so far. Maybe we do get some revelation that actually makes sense for the whole plot until now. Maybe there is a way to connect everything instead of just showing a pointless twist of a 90% recycled arc. So while I do agree that I'd have been the better choice to simply just remake the complete series while staying 100% true to the visual novels, or to go all in and make a sequel that actually feels like a sequel I am still optimistic about R07's intentions in choosing this approach. I'm hoping that there is a point behind these twists. That each of the deviations we are witnessing is meant to push our thought's in a misleading direction. That we are expected to believe that the twist at the end will be the same in each arc. And that we are meant to believe that there is no connection between the deviating events of each single Arc. And hopefully, we will get a new view on what exactly Rika's new role in this "sequel" is and why it looks like she didn't do anything so far into the story. But that's just my optimistic look on this series so far. I can totally understand why you feel about it as you do since I share your thoughts about how there aren't enough leads to actually believe there is an overarching mystery to this series. And even if we get a meaningful explanation in the answer arcs you are right about how this doesn't necessarily make these question arcs more fun to watch since they still feel like a remake with a twist we can't understand yet. |
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MadVandal said: By whom? Either way it's still an weak attempt to milk a successful franchise. The original went over 48 episodes to reach a conclusion. I'm doubtful this one will make it that far. By Ryushiki himself?????????????? |
MadVandal said: By whom? The author. He flat out said that Gou is not a remake. |
| that's a whole new level of trolling there advertising Gou as a remake though I kinda expected that since Gou literally means 5. |
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| btw someone pointed out that the ones that narrate in the end of each arc are the ones that turn crazy in the next one. First Mion then Oishi and maybe Rena? Could the neko refer to Rena? |
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| There'll be no episode 14? |
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niko_sb said: There'll be no episode 14? Higurashi Gou will start airing on Fridays instead of Thursdays starting from episode 14. So, tomorrow. |
astroprogs said: niko_sb said: There'll be no episode 14? Higurashi Gou will start airing on Fridays instead of Thursdays starting from episode 14. So, tomorrow. Oh, nice. Thank u for info |
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LeaveSatokoAlone said: astroprogs said: Higurashi Gou will start airing on Fridays instead of Thursdays starting from episode 14. So, tomorrow. From what I understand it is still today for westerners, just an hour later. It's only in Japan that it's technically going to be airing on Fridays because of jumping from 11:30 PM to 12:30 AM. So I think it will be dropping in about 40 minutes, but it's Funimation so who knows. Oh, interesting. Thanks for the heads up. Tagging @niko_sb in case the episode really does drop today. EDIT: Yup, can confirm. Episode 14 is now out for Japan. |
astroprogsJan 7, 2021 8:33 AM
| Oh, I see. Hope we get it soon! |
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| OOF that bat scene looked painful. Also, Ooishi?! WTF is even going on anymore? |
MadVandal said: Why am I not surprised... "My remake is not a remake!" He's gotta milk this baby one more time. Or maybe you are simply the only one here who didn't realise that this isn't a remake after watching the second episode? And how exactly did R07 milk anything up to now? Because his great Visual Novel series got a great anime adaptation? And now we got a sequel anime and that's somehow milking a franchise? |
EragurJan 9, 2021 2:35 PM
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| Ok...... so, I'm a 100% sure that these guys are never getting a happy ending in any kakera. Also, Keiichi is too strong as he finished a dude like Teppei. The ending of this arc was like Onidamashi, but with the exception of Rena being alive. |
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| Gou is a sequel. It was clear it is a sequel since the first 5 minutes of episode 2. For anyone that still thinks this is a remake, I invite them to go and watch the next episode (Ep. 14). |
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MadVandal said: Eragur said: Or maybe you are simply the only one here who didn't realise that this isn't a sequel after watching the second episode? And how exactly did R07 milk anything up to now? Because his great Visual Novel series got a great anime adaptation? And now we got a sequel anime and that's somehow milking a franchise? So you're saying this isn't a sequel? So you agree this is a remake? Gou says it isn't. I think that's bullshit. Same characters, same setting, same time, mostly same events. It's a remake. My bad, I got my sentence wrong, I edited it. Should have been " ... that it isn't a remake after watching the second episode?" Of course it's the same characters, setting, and time since this is a story about a time loop. How can someone not understand this? You must be one of the least attentive viewers I have ever seen if you not only failed to notice that every single arc turned out completely differently than the arcs in the original series but also didn't notice the scene in episode 2 where it was explicitly said by Rika she is stuck in the same time loop again AFTER she reached the happy end in the original series. I feel like if someone can't pay attention to even these really obvious signs - I mean it was literally stated by the characters - that all of this happens after the original series and that this is why all of the events have a different outcome than in the original series then this mystery franchise propably isn't the right thing for you. Because it depends on the viewer to be able to look for hints and you viewer behavior is far too superficial to enjoy something like that. So I'd recommend to either watch the original series again to realise that it's plot differs a lot or to simply drop it and watch something else instead of complaining about a remake that isn't a remake. You can also watch episode 14 to realise you are wrong, though I don't think that's going to stop you calling it a remake and a money grab, which you didn't explain yet either. |
EragurJan 9, 2021 2:48 PM
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MadVandal said: Eragur said: My bad, I got my sentence wrong, I edited it. Should have been " ... that it isn't a remake after watching the second episode?" Of course it's the same characters, setting, and time since this is a story about a time loop. How can someone not understand this? You must be one of the least attentive viewers I have ever seen if you not only failed to notice that every single arc turned out completely differently than the arcs in the original series but also didn't notice the scene in episode 2 where it was explicitly said by Rika she is stuck in the same time loop again AFTER she reached the happy end in the original series. I feel like if someone can't pay attention to even these really obvious signs - I mean it was literally stated by the characters - that all of this happens after the original series and that this is why all of the events have a different outcome than in the original series then this mystery franchise propably isn't the right thing for you. Because it depends on the viewer to be able to look for hints and you viewer behavior is far too superficial to enjoy something like that. So I'd recommend to either watch the original series again to realise that it's plot differs a lot or to simply drop it and watch something else instead of complaining about a remake that isn't a remake. You can also watch episode 14 to realise you are wrong, though I don't think that's going to stop you calling it a remake and a money grab, which you didn't explain yet either. I know about the hints and the arcs. I'm not expecting the "answer arcs" yet. That's not the issue here. This is about taking a good and popular series with a solid ending and using time loop as a dues ex machina to retcon the entire thing and do it over without calling it a "remake. This wouldn't be so bad if the content was improving and sufficiently different. The original did a very good just of re-running the same events while keeping the viewer interested. Initially this appeared to be the case but this last arc failed at this miserably. I'm not going to write this off yet, we'll see where it goes, but after this I'm not that optimistic. First of all, learn what a deus ex machina is. Secondly, the story was always about Rika and anyone that can put 2 and 2 together will realize that her happy ending isnt really happy after reading Umineko. So the happy ending Rika got(be it in Kai or Rei) is superficial at best and doesnt line up with the overall lore of When They Cry. And lastly, the content, with the exception of the last arc, was improving and sufficiently different. Claiming that an entire series was a waste because the latest arc wasnt that good as if the original didnt have its downs is just asinine. |
| I AM CONFUSION. It was a speedrun up until the last moment. Satoko’s outfit is really cute and makes me wonder if there’s a bigger importance around it. Similar to how Rena’s sleeves at the end are different from every other scene with her. I got the feeling Rika doesn’t remember everything based on her lack of action, but then there’s scenes where she clearly recalls specific memories? + I agree with other posts how everything could have been shortened to, like, 2 episodes. Gou doesn’t seem to be about the meta though. Hopefully that gets to change. Biggest question now: who is Ooishi a piece for and what does that have to do with Rena! |
random_weirdo said: ssjokg said: First of all, learn what a deus ex machina is. Secondly, the story was always about Rika and anyone that can put 2 and 2 together will realize that her happy ending isnt really happy after reading Umineko. So the happy ending Rika got(be it in Kai or Rei) is superficial at best and doesnt line up with the overall lore of When They Cry. And lastly, the content, with the exception of the last arc, was improving and sufficiently different. Claiming that an entire series was a waste because the latest arc wasnt that good as if the original didnt have its downs is just asinine. I know this is old, but I haven't read Umineko and your comment piqued my curiosity. Why is Rika's happy ending in Kai/Rei superficial and why doesn't it line up with the rest of the series? I loved the ending of Matsuribayashi so I'd really like to know what light Umineko shed on it. Gou isnt ruining Kai/Rei's ending. At least plot wise. The execution is just horrible. |
random_weirdo said: Ok, thanks! So sad about that. This series has so much potential. I just hope that they make up for it at the end and retroactively make the whole thing brilliant. That's just speculation tho. For all we know Or it could have nothing to do with Umineko. Tbh I dont expect much. |
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