Chiibi said: Also, I have NO idea why people are calling Birds of Prey a "failure". It was fine. It did fine. 174 million at the box office and 80% on Rotten Tomatoes? How is that a "failure"? Same thing with The Last Jedi. Sure, a lot of fans didn't like it and it does have problems, but it was hugely popular with film critics as well as a sizable chunk of the Star Wars fanbase (myself included) and grossed over a billion dollars. It wasn't a failure by a LONG shot. |
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shenro said: Chiibi said: Also, I have NO idea why people are calling Birds of Prey a "failure". It was fine. It did fine. 174 million at the box office and 80% on Rotten Tomatoes? How is that a "failure"? "“Birds of Prey” cost a reported $82 million to produce, with executives at rival studios putting that number as closer to $100 million (due to elaborate sets and CGI), and estimating the film needs to make around $100 million domestically and $300 million globally to break even. Sources close to the production say the breakeven number is closer to $250 million. " https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/birds-of-prey-box-office-disappoints-1203498018/ seems like it was a horrible failure then. Because of poor marketing though, not because it was a poorly made film. It was rated R too so that kills a lot of attendance compared to films like Star Wars and most of the Marvel franchise. |
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Chiibi said: shenro said: "“Birds of Prey” cost a reported $82 million to produce, with executives at rival studios putting that number as closer to $100 million (due to elaborate sets and CGI), and estimating the film needs to make around $100 million domestically and $300 million globally to break even. Sources close to the production say the breakeven number is closer to $250 million. " https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/birds-of-prey-box-office-disappoints-1203498018/ seems like it was a horrible failure then. Because of poor marketing though, not because it was a poorly made film. It was rated R too so that kills a lot of attendance compared to films like Star Wars and most of the Marvel franchise. doesn't really matter to the investors tho, does it? they want profit, and they didn't get it, so it failed. |
on DeskLamp said: shenro said: "“Birds of Prey” cost a reported $82 million to produce, with executives at rival studios putting that number as closer to $100 million (due to elaborate sets and CGI), and estimating the film needs to make around $100 million domestically and $300 million globally to break even. Sources close to the production say the breakeven number is closer to $250 million. " https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/birds-of-prey-box-office-disappoints-1203498018/ seems like it was a horrible failure then. You also have to factor in the marketing cost which is usually about half the production cost. I understand you can argue the studio would have already spent that money whether the movie existed or not, but tacking another 50 mil onto the film's overall cost probably plays a role in the discussion we're having here (and the one execs have when green lighting a sequel, etc.) um, the movie is reported to cost atleast 82mil to produce, and needs to make 300mil to break even globally, so i think marketing in included in these numbers. |
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Zelkiiro said: Kayle_x_Morgana said: Forcing creators to include .01%(transgender) and 5%(gay) of the population into their stuff definitely isn't restricting. Also I must include 13%(blacks) in American stuff. Definitely what we, the majority want. White men are a minority of the population, kiddo. Even moreso if you go outside the US. uh..... no shit? Why do you think I said "American". Asians are the majority. Aka..... white skin TONE. |
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DeskLamp said: shenro said: um, the movie is reported to cost atleast 82mil to produce, and needs to make 300mil to break even globally, so i think marketing in included in these numbers. It's not. https://www.quora.com/Does-a-film%E2%80%99s-budget-include-marketing-distribution-and-advertising-costs-Does-a-budget-represent-all-the-costs-to-get-the-film-into-the-can-or-get-the-film-into-theaters-If-the-latter-what-are-those-costs-as-a-percentage-of-the-former BE ALL THIS AS IT MAY... People who saw BoP LIKED it as opposed to people seeing Captain Marvel and Ghostbusters 2016 and HATING them....so I don't think we should include BoP with those movies. :/ That's the point I'm trying to make, here. |
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rat_priest said: Pyro said: I'm not dismissing other factors. I agree those are valid points on those movies failing, but the main defining factor are the ones I mentioned, especially for Star Wars as a franchise. Black Panther, Spider-Verse and Wonder Woman were successful because they put telling a good story and characters first. Alita Battle Angel can be included, as well. Diversity, representation, and female empowerment were nice accompaniment or backgrounds. They weren't shoved down people's throats. They were incorporated naturally, so it doesn't even really come to mind when you're watching those movies. The same can't be said about all the others. That's why people liked Alita, but hated Captain Marvel. I'm not saying diversity or what have you automatically harms a movie. It's the execution of it and how it's handled that makes it a success or failure. couldn’t have said it better, the minute a film makes it more apparent that it’s including things only for diversity instead of actual plot or character choices means it’s gonna be unenjoyable as a rule of thumb I completely agree with the idea that the quality of a show should be prioritized first. However, what I personally can not stand is when directors utilize the means of feminism and multiculturalism as a shameless form of desperation to get the viewers to connect and sympathize with the characters as a last ditch effort to get people to like a show. |
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Oreo_Cheesecake said: I completely agree with the idea that the quality of a show should be prioritized first. However, what I personally can not stand is when directors utilize the means of feminism and multiculturalism as a shameless form of desperation to get the viewers to connect and sympathize with the characters as a last ditch effort to get people to like a show. There's a great video on Youtube called "Woke Disney" that shows how they do exactly this and you KNOW they're only doing it for money and it feels like the fakest thing ever and I dunno....I hate it. :'D This company shaped my childhood and I will always love their older movies...but nowadays...they're just pissing me off lol |
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| I hope so but this forum won't be part of it. It'll say fairly mired in sexism until it's shut down. When it does, the people who aren't will probably join 8chan or something. |
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Chiibi said: Oreo_Cheesecake said: I completely agree with the idea that the quality of a show should be prioritized first. However, what I personally can not stand is when directors utilize the means of feminism and multiculturalism as a shameless form of desperation to get the viewers to connect and sympathize with the characters as a last ditch effort to get people to like a show. There's a great video on Youtube called "Woke Disney" that shows how they do exactly this and you KNOW they're only doing it for money and it feels like the fakest thing ever and I dunno....I hate it. :'D This company shaped my childhood and I will always love their older movies...but nowadays...they're just pissing me off lol Honestly, feel the same way. Loved the original movies and productions with all of my heart, but these days with their low-effort remakes of the original movies, and bland original series, I believe that Disney is no longer the great studio it once was, and is just wasted talent, if there is any left. |
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| Anime is already more mainstream now than ever. While the progressive crowd will grow more from it going mainstream so will the opposite side of people join the fandom too. The same is true for the gaming fandom. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Go to the homeless thread and your perception would change or you know any of the controversial threads I visited and debated in. Lolis aren't going to matter when actual toxic relationships between 13 and 25-year-olds are being defended. Lolis are a non-issue as far as I am concerned, besides that, they don't even look that much cuter than all the other teenage anime characters. So really I wouldn't put people who like them in that way with actual hebephile/pedophile advocates. The real problems are all happening in the causal discussion threads and are hardly being called out. Anyway, what I am saying is that you are getting your hopes way too high, lower them considerably. Trust me, this community(on MAL) isn't progressive in the slightest. Oh god why did I venture into the Casual thread? All the retarded threads. I got curious cause you mentioned how bad that side of this side is and holy shit.. |
E_Creator said: Sometimes to create, one must first destroy.I sure hope not, these people ruin every single industry they latch their claws on to |
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Lol yeah. Every time an anime, movie, or book gets finger-pointed as "problematic"....I kinda wanna BEAT said person with a fat stick and scream "THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEMS IS YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!" Anime do not cause problems; PEOPLE CAUSE PROBLEMS. And people who make anime and manga are not LOOKING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS; they are doing it to entertain. If you are not entertained, find something else to do. You have NO right to go "I want this changed to suit MY interests" when the f*cking thing wasn't even meant for you in the first place. |
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Peaceful_Critic said: Zeroflamez said: Lol, how far did you venture? I wasn't really expecting anyone to actually see that post and actively look at said place that wasn't OP themselves. Oh god why did I venture into the Casual thread? All the retarded threads. I got curious cause you mentioned how bad that side of this side is and holy shit.. Checked out the homeless thread you mentioned. Dug a few pages deeper. Came to the conclusion that a lot of people on this site and specifically that part of the forums have some real social disorders and other issues that they really shouldn't be asking about on a public forum. Nor do they have much hands on experience when it comes to offline interactions |
Talim said: Kayle_x_Morgana said: Do I need to say lower crime rates in japan who sexualizes woman more than any other country and America which is not allowed to sexualize woman has plenty? Also why the fuck are you here watching anime? Go watch some diversity Netflix shows and high guardian spice. More up your alley. Lower crime rates sure. But there are also women-only train cars in Japan because men can't keep their hands to themselves. Just cause there are lower crime rates doesn't mean everything is hunky dory over there. And lmao what? Women are constantly sexualized in media in America. Wtf are you on about? Any Carls Jr ad I've seen (before I stopped watching cable TV and religiously skipping ads at every opportunity) has women with their tits hanging out in an attempt to sell burgers. Sex(ism) sells. Here's a good example. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2016/04/26/headless-women-hollywood-blog-sexism-movie-posters/83538190/ Really not sure why you're saying women aren't allowed to be sexualized in America because that's just factually untrue. And I'm here cause I love certain types of anime. Anime is a beautiful artistic medium a lot of the time, and I've appreciated certain aspects of it since childhood. Not wanting sexualization in anime isn't because I hate anime. It's because I love it and want it to be better. Make it better! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sexualization is the best part of anime. Progressive ideology is a virus that ruins everything it touches. Fuck off with that woke shit. |
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MemeRetro said: Is your name "Easterners" per chance?Easterners don't give a flying fuck about your sensibilities. Stop whining. |
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Catalano said: This thread got too many replies for a bait. I'm losing confidence in mal users. It's not a bait thread. Too much effort was put into OP's account. I already checked it out before even replying to this thread. |
Zeroflamez said: Catalano said: This thread got too many replies for a bait. I'm losing confidence in mal users. It's not a bait thread. Too much effort was put into OP's account. I already checked it out before even replying to this thread. Oh come on! We have this topic like 2 times per week. It's always about sex in anime, lesbians, gays, black mc. I got tired |
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Catalano said: Zeroflamez said: It's not a bait thread. Too much effort was put into OP's account. I already checked it out before even replying to this thread. Oh come on! We have this topic like 2 times per week. It's always about sex in anime, lesbians, gays, black mc. I got tired I've been tired dude. It's getting extremely old. But outside of that the other topics are very dry and people keep repeating the same topics over and over again, just worded differently. |
MemeRetro said: It's the only way your comment makes sense, otherwise, fuck off.Tylaen said: Is your name "Easterners" per chance? Your reply was neither clever or funny. Try again. |
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| Probably, the fandom will definitely grow more progressive but i doubt anime itself will change. Anime is targeted and heavily marketed to Japanese audiences and that's where all the money comes from, any money internationally is just pocket money. Japan has a much different culture to here in the west and anime will only change if it becomes reliant on the west to make money or if the culture in Japan changes, both are highly unlikely. |
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AltoRoark said: fuckgendo said: I think it also has to depend on the anime/manga as well. More non-fetishing lgbt manga/anime is being produced now, which hopefully is changing the straight male anime viewers on lgbt relationships in anime. now we have things such as my lesbian experience with loneliness, given, bloom into you, our dreams at dusk and many others that go specifically into the topic PROPERLY and don't just use it for erotic pleasure or gross fetishation (idk like citrus or super lovers). because of this growing trend, it's slightly possible that younger creators will be a lot more progressive, and not just with lgbt characters. Might I ask what is "properly" going into the topic of LGBT relationships? Any explicit sexualization could be seen as erotic, which both Citrus and Bloom Into You (episode 9) have. So what exactly separates the two? Is it that the sexualization in Bloom Into You is less frequent? And even then, Octave has a great deal of explicit sex scenes despite being seen as a progressive portrayal of lesbian relationships. Majority of citrus was non-consensual. And it’s very obvious it was written for the sake of hot lesbians doing hot stuff together. Obviously just bc two characters of the same gender doing something sexual doesn’t make it fetishising or sexualised, but it’s very it’s pretty obvious to tell when it’s there simply for fans pleasure instead of it just being normal or well written |
Pyro said: HeruruMeruru said: No. I'm saying anime characters don't look like humans at all. But they are still Japanese because they are stated to be Japanese. Anime characters definitely look human. I think what you mean is that most are ethnically ambiguous because they're an idealization of human appearance. How do they look human? Have you seen any person with a sidemouth? |
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fuckgendo said: AltoRoark said: Might I ask what is "properly" going into the topic of LGBT relationships? Any explicit sexualization could be seen as erotic, which both Citrus and Bloom Into You (episode 9) have. So what exactly separates the two? Is it that the sexualization in Bloom Into You is less frequent? And even then, Octave has a great deal of explicit sex scenes despite being seen as a progressive portrayal of lesbian relationships. Majority of citrus was non-consensual. And it’s very obvious it was written for the sake of hot lesbians doing hot stuff together. Obviously just bc two characters of the same gender doing something sexual doesn’t make it fetishising or sexualised, but it’s very it’s pretty obvious to tell when it’s there simply for fans pleasure instead of it just being normal or well written A problematic relationship does not equate to a problematic work, especially when the non-consensual elements are clearly depicted in a negative light and always lead to a negative outcome, which is exactly the case for Citrus. Hell, the scenes of sexual assault in Citrus sure as shit don't look erotic, and are clearly shot in an ominous and discomforting manner; not pleasurable at all. And I really don't have any means to respond to things like "normal" or "well-written" since they're so incredibly vague and underdeveloped as points. @Chiibi I never stated that sexualization of women is offensive in the same way as racist caricatures. Just sexualizing female characters isn't sexist on its own, it's when females are reduced to objects of male gaze and little to nothing else that it becomes an issue, reflecting and/or perpetrating regressive attitudes. Plus, having males as a primary demographic doesn't mean you have to ostracize other audiences with pandering elements. |
shenro said: btw doesn't this whole thread break this rule? "Please refrain from posting thread topics which extend beyond the discussion of anime/manga as an entertainment medium to highly-debated social and/or moral issues. This includes but is not limited to: pedophilia, gender/racial equality, sexual orientation, etc." Lol breaking this rule on a daily basis has become the new cool thing to do mate. |
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Oreo_Cheesecake said: Chiibi said: There's a great video on Youtube called "Woke Disney" that shows how they do exactly this and you KNOW they're only doing it for money and it feels like the fakest thing ever and I dunno....I hate it. :'D This company shaped my childhood and I will always love their older movies...but nowadays...they're just pissing me off lol Honestly, feel the same way. Loved the original movies and productions with all of my heart, but these days with their low-effort remakes of the original movies, and bland original series, I believe that Disney is no longer the great studio it once was, and is just wasted talent, if there is any left. God I hate Disney now 0_0 wish we could go back to the renaissance of the 90s and not have 100000000 remakes And yeah woke Disney is super gross |
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| Well I do hope so honestly, but I does feel like there has to be some balance unfortunately progressive anime communities like the MHA community or the Tokyo Ghoul community for example got a bad repetition since there is a loud minority that gets upset over minor things and it ruins the experience for the rest of the community. |
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| At this point I have pretty much given up on many mediums. People like you focus too much on what they are doing with a piece of media as apposed to making it good. The western gaming industry is almost dead to me. Films are pretty much dead to me, literally no movies look good. Television has been long dead to me. Basically I just want media to be good again and I want media to be more broad and diverse. There is literally no reason a pervy, trashy piece of media can't exist in the same world as a "woke" piece of media. The problem being both sides only want their extreme instead of simple co-existence. |
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AltoRoark said: Just sexualizing female characters isn't sexist on its own, it's when females are reduced to objects of male gaze and little to nothing else that it becomes an issue, reflecting and/or perpetrating regressive attitudes. It's not an issue. It never was. That part is all in your head. You seriously think that if anime were to stop treating female characters like that, all the REAL problems women face in every day life would just go "poof"? Lol dream on. Anime isn't the problem here. |
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