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| To be fair, though I enjoy the series so far, I am kind of disappointed as in how the whole idea of time travel is executed... especially because people kept telling me how well it was done. The results of the butterfly effect and chaos theory for example seem pretty arbitrary and far fetched to me. Given that Akihabara didnt turn into "otaku-town", would Ferris still be living there? Would she still be working in a maid-cafe? Would she even have gotten to know Okabe? Same counts for everything else: Would Daru and Okabe even have set up their lab in Akihabara? Would Kurisu have chosen the same hotel (which isnt even sure to exist) and would THEY have gotten to know each other? I think you get the idea... Overall the consequences/ changes implemented in the series are too isolated to be believable - they should reach much further. Considering the butterfly effect the probability of things turning out as they did in the series is practically 0. Or, to say it with Kyubeys words: the entropy is humungously high with this one. Actually, it would even have been more believable if, say, the lack of moe culture led to the japanese working class becoming even more frustrated with their lives, leading to social turmoil and instability in the country as whole, leading to north korea grasping the chance and invading, leading to WW3, leading to a dystopia... well done, Okabe :D |
MrPrinceSanjiFeb 1, 2014 7:30 AM
| Best episode yet. The ending of the episode with Okabe realizing the world around him has changed due to the D-mail, and with the music playing at the same time really set the mood and sent chills down my spine. This anime is going to be one of my favorites, I can definitely already tell. Onto the next episode! |
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| Damn, this episode. Things are really starting to spin out of control. Great anime so far, I'm so glad I finally got to watching it. One thing I'm confused about, though. SPOILER Since, because of Ruka's D-mail, the past changed and they never found the IBN 5100... then how do they (not only Okabe who can retain memories, but the rest too) know how SERN carried out it's experiments and the method (Kerr black holes, lifters etc.) if that was information that they found in the secret Jellyman's Report... which they couldn't have decoded if they didn't have the IBN 5100 in the first place. Did the writers just overlook this, or am I missing something? |
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| IIRC they used Daru's own PC to read the jellyman reports, not the IBM 5100. Just check the 5th episode again. The IBM was still in a "loading" state. (Gosh, where is RazielZero at a time like this?) |
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| Hm, I think I'll check episode 5 again. Then on the other hand, having heard so many good things about how Steins;Gate consistently wraps up in the end, perhaps there's a twist up ahead (as we speak something's happened in episode 11 that's giving me ideas). So I guess I'll just go on for now. Thanks anyway ;) |
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| ... but I guess you're right. I think I mixed up the Jellyman's report with that program they were trying to decipher. Haha, I started watching S;G a few days ago with my friends, but I rewatched the first few episodes today to make sure I understood everything so far... and yet I still get things mixed up ;P I guess I try to hard ;D |
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Junchi said: (Gosh, where is RazielZero at a time like this?) Here I am! I feel flattered :P Though it's not like I can answer anything :'D FilPaperSoul said: Since, because of Ruka's D-mail, the past changed and they never found the IBN 5100... then how do they (not only Okabe who can retain memories, but the rest too) know how SERN carried out it's experiments and the method (Kerr black holes, lifters etc.) if that was information that they found in the secret Jellyman's Report... which they couldn't have decoded if they didn't have the IBN 5100 in the first place. Did the writers just overlook this, or am I missing something? It's basically what Junchi said. I don't remember how it was in the anime, but in the VN at the time when they learned about the Z-Program and the human experiments (Kurisu, Okabe and Daru being there at the lab at night), Daru only found the root password of the server of SERN (note that before that when they saw those e-mails it was only the password of a researcher, so they couldn't access every data they wanted). In the VN Okabe even asked what about the other server (the database running on a lot of IBNs), but Daru said he still can't access that one, because he will have to keep analyzing the programming code or something like that. Therefore the disappearance of the IBN didn't affect whether they knew about the experiments and the Z-Program or not :) |
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| I wonder what Faris's message was/ |
| I wonder if Feyris' dad was dead in the previous world? Shit is getting real. |
| Dafuq.... Moe was removed from Akiba... o.o with just one freaking mail. |
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| I loved that ending. Now it's finally serious is seems. |
| The ending gave me chills! I don't really understand what happened, though. Not what Feyris' message was, nor what it changed exactly (other than where they live... I guess). Okabe was kind of dumb to let her send a message into the past without being able to confirm that it was safe to send. He knew full well the dangers of altering the past, after all. |
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| Finally, this anime gets interesting! I'm amazed at how lightly Okarin keeps sending D-mails into the past. As Chris said, it's a well-known risk and he should be more aware of the far-reaching consequences. I mean, you let someone who doesn't fully grasp the situation send a D-mail and on top of that, you don't know what it says? MADNESS. |
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| The butterfly effect rears its ugly head. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| What a total alteration :O XD |
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| Damn! Shit just got real! |
| whoa dafuq i don't even |
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CookingPriest said: SolidSnakeUS said: Great episode. Also, am I the only one who knows what Chaos Theory is without looking it up? Nope. Its pretty much a must to understand what is going on and i bet majority of viewers have no idea that pretty much everything in the show is based on real science. SO in case of those who have no idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_Effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality_paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_black_hole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft Thats for starters. Seriously, that's crazy and cool at the same time. This just made the series even more fantastic. Thanks for the advice! |
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| OKARIN, WHAT YOU GONNA DO? Mind blown. |
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CookingPriest said: SolidSnakeUS said: Great episode. Also, am I the only one who knows what Chaos Theory is without looking it up? Nope. Its pretty much a must to understand what is going on and i bet majority of viewers have no idea that pretty much everything in the show is based on real science. SO in case of those who have no idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_Effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality_paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_black_hole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft Thats for starters. Thanks for the info. |
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| Woah, that ending gave me goosebumps. Finally starting to get in the thick of things. |
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| This is where it's getting addicting... |
| DAYUUUUUUUUUM Shit just got real!! The look on his face at the end...screwed up big time. You had to take the moe away ( ≧Д≦) Feyris nya voice is killing me :3, Japan's voices are something else... Wonder what that mail was about. Lold so hard when Kurisu was hanging up the phone and he actually used his real name :O Dat "Keikaku doori". Really great episode, actually gave me the goosebumps at the end together with that song. For some reason a part of me doesn't want to move on to next episode xD. |
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| Awesome episode! Btw, I thought for a moment that Faris's text might have to do with trying to have a closer relationship with Okabe, but then when I saw the aftermath and her dad's presence, I'm wondering if her text had something to do with her family. Like trying to prevent her dad's death, or making him stay more at home with her, or someone else in the family, etc. Not only because her father was there instead of the butler, but also because Akiba did not had the "moe" movement going on, which she apparently promoted in the first place. Which to me, meant that she either was now content with herself and stopped feeling guilty about whatever it was she changed, or she didn't had the same level of influence herself as she had before. |
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| Woah Faris changed Akiba! Its really a butterfly effect, every d-mail change the story more and more |
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CookingPriest said: SolidSnakeUS said: Great episode. Also, am I the only one who knows what Chaos Theory is without looking it up? Nope. Its pretty much a must to understand what is going on and i bet majority of viewers have no idea that pretty much everything in the show is based on real science. SO in case of those who have no idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_Effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality_paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerr_black_hole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionocraft Thats for starters. Wow this will come in handy. Much thanks. |
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| (rewatching) Finally noticed the IBN was gone. It's also very obvious that Faris's message had quite the impact. |
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| Wow the whole place changed... He should have read her message since going back 10 years will definitly change things. I wonder what she actually sent back... |
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| okarin should've read her message first IF IT WAS GOING TO CHANGE THE FRICKIN PAST also nyan nyan interesting ep! |
| Well Akiba belonged to Faris, guess his dad doesn't like moe. |
| oh wow, didn't expect this. |
| DAMN! Okabe doesn't even know where he lives anymore!! |
| I'm guessing she told herself not to open the shop. Based on Ruka's school outfit I'm guessing she was born as a girl this time. I only have two questions now: If things change each time, why did Moeka coming to the lab change back? Are we ever going to learn who killed Kurisu? I am especially curious as to the answer of the latter question. Hopefully Kyouma won't be stupid enough to continue sending D-mails now. Oh, who am I kidding? Of course he's stupid enough to do that. Though, honestly, I'm so dense that I have no clue what other changes were made to the city aside from the lack of a maid cosplay café. |
SuranaDec 29, 2015 10:29 AM
| "It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
| So many changes in the time line @_@ I hope I'll be able to remember all of it when the plot goes faster ._. But omg, now I never wanna change anything about my past >~< |
| So what changes???!?!?! OMG OMG Did Faris somehow made her dad still alive and somehow changes Akiba? This butterfly effect man... I LOVE IT |
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| Loved how the ED started playing upon Okabe's realization. I was wondering when it would finally occur to him that he might not be able to reverse the alterations. The implications regarding Faris' past in the previous worldine due to what Okabe saw in the current worldline is sad, but it would appear that her wish to reverse what presumably was a tragic incident had come true. |
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| He needs to be careful! That butterfly effect will surely get him soon. It looks like it already is. He needs to go find Titor now, before Titor disappears! |
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| I have a problem with this episode, and it's starting to nag at my mind as I watch, impeding my enjoyment of the series as a whole. For reference, I am watching the English dub. In this episode we learn that (thanks to the time traveling messages) the IBN 5100 was never obtained in this timeline, and the proprietary code was never utilized. That would mean that the members of the lab never managed to crack into the SERN database and never saw the files on the gel-people. They never proved to Kurisu that SERN was using the large hadron collider in conjunction with black holes to travel through time. However, Kurisu makes mention of gel-people (specifically "gel Okabe") in this episode, and is fully on board with time travel being a possibility, even though she was completely against that idea until she saw the SERN files for herself. How is it that she seemingly has knowledge that she shouldn't have in this timeline? Later on she even makes reference to the SERN documents that she never even saw. Am I the only one who caught this? Am I the only one who is missing something? Is this a failing of the English dub version? Was it not properly translated? |
Rex_Ivan said: I have a problem with this episode, and it's starting to nag at my mind as I watch, impeding my enjoyment of the series as a whole. For reference, I am watching the English dub. In this episode we learn that (thanks to the time traveling messages) the IBN 5100 was never obtained in this timeline, and the proprietary code was never utilized. That would mean that the members of the lab never managed to crack into the SERN database and never saw the files on the gel-people. They never proved to Kurisu that SERN was using the large hadron collider in conjunction with black holes to travel through time. However, Kurisu makes mention of gel-people (specifically "gel Okabe") in this episode, and is fully on board with time travel being a possibility, even though she was completely against that idea until she saw the SERN files for herself. How is it that she seemingly has knowledge that she shouldn't have in this timeline? Later on she even makes reference to the SERN documents that she never even saw. Am I the only one who caught this? Am I the only one who is missing something? Is this a failing of the English dub version? Was it not properly translated? You are remembering wrong actually. If you check back in episode 3, Daru cracked into SERN's database through his knowledge alone and saw the files about "human is dead - mismatch" and the jellyman reports. They aquire the IBN 5100 in episode 4 at which point they have only aquired it and did not use it. As of now, Okabe and the lab members have yet to use the IBN 5100 at all in any worldline. The IBN 5100's whereabouts changes with the sending of these D-mails but the lab members knew about the reports before the IBN 5100. The knowledge they have is not affected by its whereabouts because they never used it in the first place. Hope that helps. Took me a little bit to remember why this wasn't a plot-hole but I'm glad you are invested enough to look this deep into it. Feel free to post other questions you might have later or once it's over because it just gets more confusing from now on. |
appu1232Feb 21, 2016 7:20 AM
appu1232 said: You are remembering wrong actually. If you check back in episode 3, Daru cracked into SERN's database through his knowledge alone and saw the files about "human is dead - mismatch" and the jellyman reports. They aquire the IBN 5100 in episode 4 at which point they have only aquired it and did not use it. As of now, Okabe and the lab members have yet to use the IBN 5100 at all in any worldline. The IBN 5100's whereabouts changes with the sending of these D-mails but the lab members knew about the reports before the IBN 5100. The knowledge they have is not affected by its whereabouts because they never used it in the first place. Hope that helps. Took me a little bit to remember why this wasn't a plot-hole but I'm glad you are invested enough to look this deep into it. Feel free to post other questions you might have later or once it's over because it just gets more confusing from now on. Thank you for your fast reply. It helped quite a bit, but I'm still have a few problems. I went back to look over those first few episodes. You're right. They *did* find the "human is dead - mismatch" message in episode 3, which is where they also learned about the LHC and SERN's time traveling. So in the new timeline (the one without the IBN 5100), Kurisu could have just read *those* reports to discover about the LHC and SERN. You're right about that. However, there's something else. At the end of episode 3, they discovered the jellyman reports, but weren't able to open them. At the beginning of episode 4 Itaru tries to dive deeper but runs into the proprietary code blockade. That's when they hunt for the IBN 5100. Once they obtain the IBN 5100 it needs a few parts, but they finally get it working midway through episode 5. That is where they use it, and they open up the encoded SERN reports. That's the scene where Kurisu is standing over Itaru's shoulder reading the official reports, and it's the first time (in that timeline) where she realizes this is NOT just a conspiracy theory. After that they were actually able to open the jellyman reports, and we have that wonderful scene where everyone starts to understand how heavy this thing actually is. So... the SERN and LHC/black hole thing isn't a plothole, but what about the jellyman report? The very reason they know that humans won't be able to go back is because of documents they couldn't open without the IBM 5100. I *suppose* we could just extrapolate that (in the new timeline in episode 9) Kurisu made the leap of logic that if you send a banana back in time and it turns to gel, then the "human is dead - mismatch" phrase would pretty much indicate the same thing would happen to the human body. Plus, the title "jellyman report" is more than a little telling. She would have gotten the gist of things even without the actual documented evidence. I went back and watched these few episodes again, just to be sure. Now I'm wondering if I missed something else, or if the English translation was off, or did I misinterpret something? |
Rex_Ivan said: appu1232 said: You are remembering wrong actually. If you check back in episode 3, Daru cracked into SERN's database through his knowledge alone and saw the files about "human is dead - mismatch" and the jellyman reports. They aquire the IBN 5100 in episode 4 at which point they have only aquired it and did not use it. As of now, Okabe and the lab members have yet to use the IBN 5100 at all in any worldline. The IBN 5100's whereabouts changes with the sending of these D-mails but the lab members knew about the reports before the IBN 5100. The knowledge they have is not affected by its whereabouts because they never used it in the first place. Hope that helps. Took me a little bit to remember why this wasn't a plot-hole but I'm glad you are invested enough to look this deep into it. Feel free to post other questions you might have later or once it's over because it just gets more confusing from now on. Thank you for your fast reply. It helped quite a bit, but I'm still have a few problems. I went back to look over those first few episodes. You're right. They *did* find the "human is dead - mismatch" message in episode 3, which is where they also learned about the LHC and SERN's time traveling. So in the new timeline (the one without the IBN 5100), Kurisu could have just read *those* reports to discover about the LHC and SERN. You're right about that. However, there's something else. At the end of episode 3, they discovered the jellyman reports, but weren't able to open them. At the beginning of episode 4 Itaru tries to dive deeper but runs into the proprietary code blockade. That's when they hunt for the IBN 5100. Once they obtain the IBN 5100 it needs a few parts, but they finally get it working midway through episode 5. That is where they use it, and they open up the encoded SERN reports. That's the scene where Kurisu is standing over Itaru's shoulder reading the official reports, and it's the first time (in that timeline) where she realizes this is NOT just a conspiracy theory. After that they were actually able to open the jellyman reports, and we have that wonderful scene where everyone starts to understand how heavy this thing actually is. So... the SERN and LHC/black hole thing isn't a plothole, but what about the jellyman report? The very reason they know that humans won't be able to go back is because of documents they couldn't open without the IBM 5100. I *suppose* we could just extrapolate that (in the new timeline in episode 9) Kurisu made the leap of logic that if you send a banana back in time and it turns to gel, then the "human is dead - mismatch" phrase would pretty much indicate the same thing would happen to the human body. Plus, the title "jellyman report" is more than a little telling. She would have gotten the gist of things even without the actual documented evidence. I went back and watched these few episodes again, just to be sure. Now I'm wondering if I missed something else, or if the English translation was off, or did I misinterpret something? Hmm, I am honestly not sure either now. I think you might be right that they just extrapolated that from the jellification of the bananas but now I am not sure. I posted the thread on the Steins;Gate subreddit so I'll see if I get any answers from there. |
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