animegate - is this actually going to be a thing?

Hias said:
Good grief, threads like this are apparent why the anime/gaming communities are ridiculously toxic and full of reactionary attitudes. Anything that goes outside of the norm or any story elements, characters etc that are encouraged are immediately labeled as "SJW Propaganda", apparently anything else is an agenda and the big bad Leftists(tm) are coming after the white hetero male's favorite anti-social hobbies.

Gamergate was only a big deal because some idiots couldn't handle the idea of a woman criticizing attitudes in the gaming industry and the trends that discouraged any sort of diversity or representation. So in response they send her and others death threats and rape threats. Very classy.

Long_Ng said:
gaming go through the same thing, and it did fine
remember, it's not a question of law, legal, or even moral
It's a question about how many are on boat. Anime is not yet mainstream, but we've enough "sleeping" supporters back us up.

Energetic-Nova said:
If “real fans” continue to not buy anime and more people who you see as sjw watch anime and buy anime... who should be catered to? The person who buys or the person who steals?

yuurishibooty said:
Us feminazis are working very diligently to get anime banned from the US completely.

Bayek said:
Anyone who thinks Japan can't get influenced by the western world...do you think they love baseball and western school uniforms because they've been isolated for thousands of years? Modern Japan is not a product of isolation and cultural purity.

Botan-Chan45 said:
GamerGate was started from a sex scandal. Serously look it up.

thewiru said:
@Pullman

That's some heavy bluepill here.

Without getting into politics (Though 90% of it is about politics). It's almost dumb that i HAVE to say this, but no, it isn't because "we hate minorities".
Most of it is that people like the general framework that anime is right now, and they don't want a radical transformation like many western media suffered (And that didn't end well).

If you come to think of it, anime already had diverse casts, homossexuality and other taboo topics long before this "post-modernist west trend" even started and no one ever complained, which just makes your argument of "They don't think minorities are normal" dumber.

Hias said:


A scandal that had nothing to do with anything. But it certainly led to people doxxing and sending death/rape threats to women like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian. REEEEEEE WOMEN HAVING SEX, REEEEEE WOMEN CRITICIZING MY VIDEO GAMES

Pullman said:


I'm not saying there aren't any legitimate complaints (I'm very critical of modern feminism myself for example but not because of some hidden agenda in movies or TV Series that I believe but for real, political reasons). I just see 90% of the complaints related to media specifically as being completely bullshit, exaggerated or just straight-up propaganda for right-wing views. I've seen so many bullshit complaints about 'SJW censorship' or some crap like that in western media that are just completely bonkers if you look at them neutrally, without seeing the inclusion/representation of certain minorities as an inherently bad thing. It is a complete non-issue and they literally just complain about the presence of certain elements in a show of franchise (usually related to gender, sexuality or race). Those are just the facts, I've seen thousands of posts like and no amount of meme terminology will make all those salty rants about gay people or female casts any more legitimate or well-reasoned. It's just the mere presence of these elements that triggers people, there's nothing more to it 90% of the time.

Plus there's the issue of people just not being able to understand that a LOT of people actually both want to create and watch more diverse media, so they always paint it as some sort of 'agenda' that is being 'forced on creators' when that's just bullshit. It's just cheap rhetorics to try and delegitimize anything that includes certain minorities and/or paints them in a positive light. The implication that noone in their right mind would want to write about LGBT characters (for example) and they only start appearing more frequently in media because of some agenda that is forced on people, is just preposterous but ever-present in the 'anti SJW' circles and the arguments I've seen. I don't even know how anyone can defend this kind of silly conspiracy theories, but apparently you've found it in you to do so.

The stuff you call 'a radical transformation that didn't end well' is something that anyone with a somewhat progressive and open mindset just sees as the natural progress of a society into being more open-minded and inclusive and it's not a big deal at all if you don't have an issue with those minorities that start to get more representation in media. It just really isn't. Not sure how else to put it, but it just isn't, and the only way I can see it being a big deal is if you have an issue with those minorities. Because when you don't, it really just looks like a lot of smoke, the majority of stuff you people complain about. Literal non-issues if you just look at it as a neutral piece of art or entertainment without caring about the politics you think it represents. And as far as I'm concerned the past decade or so has produced some of the best works in TV, cinema and Standup so I'm afraid I don't share your pessimism at all.

Botan-Chan45 said:
The Japanese fans are really the only real fans. Let's be honest, they don't care about the west for even a second. Maybe only for netgarbo but nothing else.

Energetic-Nova said:


Funny since anime has shown virtually no growth in Japan and the market overseas has reached boom levels once more. And some anime really have been made for other countries which have a good market for Anime. If something does well market wise overseas, they are going to capitalize on that. Series is being given second seasons, Series is being given movies. They aren’t going to ignore money. Action and sci-fi shows are often approved on the basis that they will likely have a wide audience appeal usually world wide appeal. Not just “the West” What something like attack on Titan, definitely appeals more broadly to world market. And it was created with that sort of thing in mind. It was picked up with that knowledge in mind.


For instance, they were doing a lot of research back in the early 90s late 80s and discovered that a huge portion of the foreign Mecha market was women. Here comes Escaflowne and it sells better in a foreign market and they give it a movie.

Botan-Chan45 said:
You do know though that most anime is made for the Japanese and not the west. Just how food may boom overseas and people like it, but was primarily built around the need of the citizens that created it. Of course there are foreign anime markets, but they are barely touched. Money is appealing, but if the risks are too high and the possibility that it fails; they'll be even more carful of foreign markets and may even outright avoid it. Also I don't watch a lot of mecha so I don't what show you put near the end. Also Attack on Titan? BnHA would've been a better example than Snk.

Energetic-Nova said:


Yes, I know most anime is made for Japanese.

No, Attack on Titan is the perfect example because it is definitely part of the anime boom we are experiencing now. Madoka Magica came just before, Sword Art and Free during. Attack on Titan propelled further. Boku no Hero is reeping the rewards of a bigger market. But it is not the start of a bigger market.

Anime has grown in the USA and in China. China has seen the most growth for anime income. The USA is the #1 market, China is the #2 market, and Japan is #3. So, Japan is going to care about the USA and China above all other opinions that are foreign. France is a big market for manga though. So they are often considered.

Botan-Chan45 said:
You mean the Chinese anime market like that Harem anime or Yaogui Mingdan. Sure both America and China have experienced a boom of markets for anime, but at the same time we also largely pirate anime to the extreme amounts. Now I've heard of the French Manga called "Garbage like BnHA", so I kinda know that manga has reached its way over there.

Energetic-Nova said:


They have had a big manga market since the 70's at least. Both Italy and France love Rose of Versailles. That shit never made it's way to the states until recently.

DarkInsomnia57 said:
SJW equals politically correct, =puritanism. SJW is a guise for puritanism. You are right to worry, it's why I questioned Flying Colors. There's a particular agenda. I mean, I'm not for the rancorous tides of unwashed who are racist and use the word 'cuck', but I know what SJW does.

SJW did ruin a lot of American television. I can't even watch, nor have I watched for a decade now, a primetime show on a primetime network in the US. Shows used to be able to be funny without censoring themselves. Now every show has to be 'woke' and aware of every possible twitter controversy.

MartinAcademia said:

Mass SJW campaign against anime and its fans. Its what happened with video games. Gamergate was real ugly and now games are politicized and many get censored.

Botan-Chan45 said:
Gaming is not fine. We literally have suffered through some batshit crazy situations. From Halo being killed to games being toned down for a crowd.

Long_Ng said:


the road there is not gonna be flat.
I understand your concern, and it's real. However, it's far from the ending of anime or something
gaming got torn down for the crown, corporations care more about $ than making good game, all that
but every year, certain individual games standout. we get some great masterpieces, and that's all we need so go on

it's just a bumps on the road to mainstream is what i'm trying to say

Crusader_8 said:
there is already a mass SJW movement against anime and its fans. There are already people saying anime is toxic because the level of representation isn't to their own personal standards.

Furthermore, no one is allowed to localize an anime story into a live adaptation unless it meets SJW approval. Otherwise, the word whitewash gets tossed around so much that the dialogue itself becomes whitewashed.

Hoppy said:


The live action outrage is mostly bipartisan, people want faithful adaptations or close to it as possible. They don't want a Hollywood Disasterization of a movie adapted from anime.

Hoppy said:


The live action outrage is mostly bipartisan, people want faithful adaptations or close to it as possible. They don't want a Hollywood Disasterization of a movie adapted from anime.

Energetic-Nova said:
Anime has grown in the USA and in China. China has seen the most growth for anime income. The USA is the #1 market, China is the #2 market, and Japan is #3. So, Japan is going to care about the USA and China above all other opinions that are foreign. France is a big market for manga though. So they are often considered.

Clebardman said:

I'm pretty sure every artsy mangaka is like "oh well, it'll sell in France anyway, we'll just put it next Taniguchi on shelves."

I swear you find all kinds of stuff people never heard about on MAL, or wich probably sold more here than even in Japan (^%

Clebardman said:
@Energetic-Nova can't say much about spanish users, but I remember lots of them were reading mango, so... probably :p.

Dun forget italians too. One of my friends here is italian and knows french, that guy has very little problems finding his manga (^%

MartinAcademia said:

Exactly. We don't have a problem with women or female-aimed entertainment. We just don't like SJWs because they try, not to coexist and share the hobby, but to control and censor it. They accuse us of being "sexist" simply to silence us because in the end its normal to defend what you care about when a group of people try to take it away.

Energetic-Nova said:



Oh yeah, I know Italy has a lot of stuff, but yaoi is always what I am looking for. You know what is really trash? New York New York. A shonen ai set in the USA right? LOL NO OFFICIAL ENGLISH RELEASE. But it has a French one. XD

You know, BananaFish is easier to find in every language except English I swear. And then there is this manga Under Grand Hotel, and I have only been able to find it in German at a reasonable price. In English? lol good luck $100+

PS. Curiously... the only yaoi manga I have read in a prison setting, have all been set in the USA. lol. Welp. We got a reputation what can I say!

GlennMagusHarvey said:
Except the interpretation of "they're trying to control our hobby" is just people being defensive about other people having opinions that don't agree with theirs on what the medium should be like, and expressing those opinions.

Let's look at an analogous situation, except turned around: People who watch dubs get flak on hardcore anime communities like this one. Talking about watching dubs frequently gets people to try to convince and/or berate the dub-watcher into watching subs and avoiding dubs. Meanwhile people who prefer subs frequently have harshly negative things to say about both the people who make dubs and the people who enjoy them. Yet no one says that the sub watchers are trying to "control" the medium...?

Well, that's because it's just a bunch of opinion-wanking on the internet.

It's all a bunch of opinion-wanking on the internet. Opinion-wanking is a dime a gross on the internet. People should remind themselves not to get easily triggered by it -- especially those who complain about others (such as "SJWs") getting triggered.

xShinigami3125 said:
Wtf is Gamergate and what is this supposed to be ?

Pullman said:


Yeah there's a LOT of Yaoi licensed in german. We might have the biggest international fujo fanbase for some reason. In my local comic story it was like a third was just BL stuff and all the other genres had to share the remaining 66%. But aside from that sadly we don't get all that many unique titles. I run into manga that is only available in french but not in german all the time. Or in italian. We are usually one or two steps ahead of american licenses for stuff like Taniguchi, Tezuka, Urasawa and some other big ones, but we don't get many niche titles either, unlike France or Italy. Just a whole bunch of BL I don't care about :/.

As for Banana Fish, I didn't have that much trouble procuring the volumes in english. I mean I never managed to find Vol. 8 (recently did, but it was only sold along with all the other volumes which I already own), but aside from that it only took me like 2 years to accumulate the whole series in english.

Vhailor said:
Unless this is being done by the Japanese media, the SJWs in these western news websites can bark all they want, they won't be able to have any effect. The anime industry doesn't even cater to the western audience, let alone listen to its media.

15poundfish said:
Western Feminists would have to team up with Japanese feminists and Japanese conservatives for that to happen. Feminists don't necessarily care which side it is, they will team up with misogynist religions and conservatives if they see a mutual goal that they perceive to benefit women. For long term power over anime they would need to gain political power in Japan to the point that it becomes a powerful political lobby like in western countries.

Presently, the strongest threat to anime are Japanese Conservatives, they have censored anime for decades. They have political power in Japan to censor anime in the past and present day which is why they would need to be an alliance. The other vectors they could explore to censor anime would be like gaining power in the production committees and the localization process. So far the former is not the case because of the language barrier and cultural barrier but the latter is how Feminists were able to censor anime. The problem about censoring through the localization process is that people can buy imports avoiding the middlemen if they use fansubs or understand Japanese. Anime is safe from western Feminists from hard censorship but we should be wary of Conservatives and Feminists coming together because at least in the west when both of these groups work together, people that enjoy liberty and hate censorship are screwed.

thewiru said:
Well, as long as we stay a conservative community focusing on maintaining our way of living (And i know a good part of the community who agrees with me), there shall be no problem.

Of course, that would also imply phisically removing traitors, but that's just a detail.

Remember, folks, Ｄｏｎ＇ｔ ｌｅｔ ｅｖｉｌ ｔａｋｅ ｒｏｏｔ.

Kuma said:


tokyo current conservative goverment is doing it right at now...