| it appeals to me as it is different than most romance animes although im not fan of big age gaps but in the past large age gaps were normal so whatever right RandomCritic said: Elegade said: @RandomCritic Yep, keep thinking that. But remember this, once his dick can't go up anymore, their sex life is practically finished. One of the top reasons for infidelity is the lack of a sexual appetite. Well, my mother was a nurse before she retired 5 years ago and her last 10 years (she's been a nurse for 35 years) she worked at nursing homes and with her i saw Old people of marriages that the man was on bed and/or had erectile dysfunction and the wife was still there and their relationship showed so much love that looked like still newly weds. I've seen women marry men in wheelchairs that has no function from bellow the waist and they still have a happy marriage. Even more: The only women who are obsessed with d**** are nymphos and hyper sexuality types, and those who are just with the man for interest not for him (which only wants his money and doesn't love him). Regular women, when they really love her man, she will not care. Like I said, there are ways to by pass that problem for their sex life in their relationship. yeah, dicks are not necessary at all (well, only for child production (which is also unecessary)) Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
NexuJan 20, 2018 10:53 AM
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Well, some of those people in those homes were 10 years apart more or less. It still doesn't change anything because I never said not having sex. I said that a woman that truly loves does not care about that problem and that there are ways to bypass erection dysfunction And you ignored my comment about lesbians. They have no d*** and still have a happy sex life with their partner/lover and are together for many years. I had this acquaintance that has been a lesbian for 30 years and still a virgin because she want no d*** in her and this includes even toys and dil**. And she has her partner and been together for like 20 years and have no problems with. (And last I heard of them, they are still together) So it doesn't change anything. Besides; women like Akira are the romantic type not the hyper sexual type. Akira is too mature for her age. And I bet you MY LIFE that women like Akira that really loves her man will not care about erectile dysfunction. Besides, you comment is irrelevant and can only be taken as a joke because erectile dysfunction for a man is obtained by chance. Because I've seen plenty of men in their 50s-70s who still can give a woman a big screw over. The only thing that changes in a man as he grow old is his sexual drive. But you are so blind in your believe that you don't want to see that women are not as sexual driven as men. Women can stay without sex for a longer period of time without care or need of it than men. And the only women who constant crave it are: whores and women with hyper sexuality. And I bet you my life on it. If Akira and the manager marry, it will not make a difference. When a woman really loves a man, she will not care if he has erectile dysfunction. I bet you my life on it. And there will always be ways to bypass such problems. Specially with today's science. You comment is irrelevant and can only be taken as a joke. I pity you though, since you have such a close minded view. |
ThatRandomDudeJan 12, 2018 9:03 PM
| I dont see a controversy. We had Nabokovs Lolita in the 60s thats 50+ years ago. The girl is pre-puberty in this book and its a literature classic. How you feel with such an age gap for your personal life is a different topic, you can still enjoy the story nevertheless. |
Elegade said: RandomCritic said: Well, my mother was a nurse before she retired 5 years ago and her last 10 years (she's been a nurse for 35 years) she worked at nursing homes and with her i saw Old people of marriages that the man was on bed and/or had erectile dysfunction and the wife was still there and their relationship showed so much love that looked like still newly weds. I've seen women marry men in wheelchairs that has no function from bellow the waist and they still have a happy marriage. Even more: The only women who are obsessed with d**** are nymphos and hyper sexuality types, and those who are just with the man for interest not for him (which only wants his money and doesn't love him). Regular women, when they really love her man, she will not care. Like I said, there are ways to by pass that problem for their sex life in their relationship. The examples you gave are people that are of the same age. She's like 17, and he's 45. In ten years she's 27, and he's 55. She has a healthy sexual appetite at that age, she's can still practically be in her prime. If she was the same age as him, and then his dick stopped working, that's another story. If they marry, and get into a relationship at say, 18, its not going to last. How many people throughout history goes out with someone 30 years older than them, and the realtionship works? People even the same age get a divorce cause they can't dick down properly with their significant other, what makes you think grandpa's relationship would be any different? With the lesbos, thats a completely different scenario, they choose not get the dick, so they can live without it. There's a hentai that perfectly reenacts this scenario of a guy that is sick and cant get his dick up ap his wife has to find alternatives. I'll go look for it. Yeah with that, I think it would be best to say "let's see where this goes" for now. I agree with you but I am getting the hunch that it is going to be one of those walking down the memory lane kind of anime where something really special happens to you in teenage that becomes a memory you cherish, but not something that would last. A totally unrelated but somewhat similar theme I am talking about is the movie prime, where two people loved reach other, but decide to move on when it's time. Who knows this anime might end up like that, I am not sure they will show them end up together. Because the synopsis also contains a catch about his response. |
| I still dont know why people keep so biased on this. This is part of culture in japan, as mentioned. This is not the first series of shoujo genre with age gap like this. hell I can even give you one sample of an "Isekai" story, which is shonen, that puts a 35 year old man marrying a 15 year old girl. And people don't go bullshiting because of it. Are they protesting because this is shoujo? Hell, this story is not new. The manga version has years on it. It was published in 2014, and I didn't see people complaining about the age gap in the manga back then when it was being published and when it was being fan-translated on Manga websites. So why people are now bitching about the age gap for the anime adaptation? This is so biased. Ah, btw, the isekai novel (and now being adapted to manga) that i speak of is: Isekai ni Kita Mitai dakedo ikanisureba Yaoi no Darou (roughtly translated to: "It seems i came to another world, Now what should I do?) That is one of a few "iseka" typei involving adult men getting involved with a teenage girl in a relationship, or having a harem. I have other two that I do not remember the names. One of them is a 95 year old man getting a young adult body when goes to isekai and get a harem of 2 girls and the novel even has sex scenes. Another about an adult man veterinarian that was summoned to another world to tend monster pets and he form a relationship with an assigned assistant which is 15. And these novels are known well in japan and are being adapted to manga (also the mangas were tuned down a bit). So age gap like this is not a first time going in japan for a story, especially on shoujo genre. I think all this opinions are biased and hypocritical. But, haters are going to hate. |
| I try to be that person who's like, "love comes in all forms", but I'm sorry some age gaps are just outrageous. Those 2 are in two different stages of their life and are looking for two different things from others. And her purposes for liking the GROWN MAN (from what I've seen) are so minuscule and common. You can't find those traits in ANYBODY your age? |
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RandomCritic said: I still dont know why people keep so biased on this. This is part of culture in japan, as mentioned. This is not the first series of shoujo genre with age gap like this. hell I can even give you one sample of an "Isekai" story, which is shonen, that puts a 35 year old man marrying a 15 year old girl. And people don't go bullshiting because of it. Are they protesting because this is shoujo? Hell, this story is not new. The manga version has years on it. It was published in 2014, and I didn't see people complaining about the age gap in the manga back then when it was being published and when it was being fan-translated on Manga websites. So why people are now bitching about the age gap for the anime adaptation? This is so biased. Ah, btw, the isekai novel (and now being adapted to manga) that i speak of is: Isekai ni Kita Mitai dakedo ikanisureba Yaoi no Darou (roughtly translated to: "It seems i came to another world, Now what should I do?) That is one of a few "iseka" typei involving adult men getting involved with a teenage girl in a relationship, or having a harem. I have other two that I do not remember the names. One of them is a 95 year old man getting a young adult body when goes to isekai and get a harem of 2 girls and the novel even has sex scenes. Another about an adult man veterinarian that was summoned to another world to tend monster pets and he form a relationship with an assigned assistant which is 15. And these novels are known well in japan and are being adapted to manga (also the mangas were tuned down a bit). So age gap like this is not a first time going in japan for a story, especially on shoujo genre. I think all this opinions are biased and hypocritical. But, haters are going to hate. "This is part of culture in japan, as mentioned." That doesn't mean we can't dislike it... People need to stop using this as a defense. Just because its culture/accepted in japan doesn't make it good. |
Elegade said: In like 10 years she's gonna have to deal with that erectile dysfunction. EXACTLY. There are just too many problems to count since they're in VERY different periods of their lives. By the time she is mature enough to raise a family, he will be ready for a senior home. It's so f*cked up, man. It's not going to work at all. All he did was give her a coffee and a little cheer-up with it while she was waiting for the rain to pass. How do you fall so madly in love from a thing like that?!? Rofl okay, I've lost what little respect I've had for Akira just from reading that. My OTP has a significant gap but they are BOTH still relatively young. Their lives have just started. But pairing a girl whose life has just started (teen) with an old fart whose life is HALF OVER....just...............nope. Too many problems, too detached from reality, and too f*cking weird. For me, anyway. RandomCritic said: Are they protesting because this is shoujo? No. Shoujo is the best and more tasteful (in the anime world with a few exceptions) This manga is aimed at OLDER MEN, just like the man she's crushing on That makes it even more disturbing. |
ChiibiJan 14, 2018 9:08 PM
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Chiibi said: Elegade said: In like 10 years she's gonna have to deal with that erectile dysfunction. EXACTLY. There are just too many problems to count since they're in VERY different periods of their lives. By the time she is mature enough to raise a family, he will be ready for a senior home. It's so f*cked up, man. It's not going to work at all. All he did was give her a coffee and a little cheer-up with it while she was waiting for the rain to pass. How do you fall so madly in love from a thing like that?!? Rofl okay, I've lost what little respect I've had for Akira just from reading that. My OTP has a significant gap but they are BOTH still relatively young. Their lives have just started. But pairing a girl whose life has just started (teen) with an old fart whose life is HALF OVER....just...............nope. Too many problems, too detached from reality, and too f*cking weird. For me, anyway. RandomCritic said: Are they protesting because this is shoujo? No. Shoujo is the best and more tasteful (in the anime world with a few exceptions) This manga is aimed at OLDER MEN, just like the man she's crushing on That makes it even more disturbing. who says they will end up in the end anyway? Its very likely she will have a crush on him and idealize him. Like see how he was potrayed as a "loser" but she felt for him anyway without knowing anything from him as a person. Just because he gave her attention. This just smells like those random crushes people have in their school years on someone which eventually will fade away. |
| Its fine. Its a bit controversial. But they can marry when she turns 18. Age really doesn't matter in matters of love. So its quite interesting how Romance develops. |
| @Brandon2149 "This is part of culture in japan, as mentioned." That doesn't mean we can't dislike it... People need to stop using this as a defense. Just because its culture/accepted in japan doesn't make it good. True, you have a right to dislike it. But it is also wrong to judge a story based on the teachings of your own culture and ideals. You find it wrong because you were raised in an enviroment that find these things wrong. Hey, i do not aproove either of old men marrying underage girls and find stupid their reasons but that does not mean i will bash something without knowing first the reason of "why" behind it and also the type of person there is. Also, it is an universal law that young women tend to fall in love with mature men/older men. Second, he is NOT the one seeking HER, but the other way. Also, -- @Chiibi RandomCritic said: Are they protesting because this is shoujo? No. Shoujo is the best and more tasteful (in the anime world with a few exceptions) This manga is aimed at OLDER MEN, just like the man she's crushing on That makes it even more disturbing. Nope. First, This manga's author is a woman. Second, The style of art and form is shoujo. Genre At worst then, josei. |
ThatRandomDudeJan 15, 2018 8:32 AM
| I was worried about this too, but it appears to be tactfully handled. Tachibana is perhaps the pursuer, and Kondou isn't a creep, which certainly helps. They have my blessing. |
| @MysteriousBanana Well, that is good....my biggest problem with the series is that it has characters I could never relate to and a premise I could never relate to thus I don't have interest in seeing such things explored. :/ It's cool if others love it; it's just not for me. I'm part of Anime News Network, so I read the reviews even on shows I'm not watching. XD They always go into depth about the origins of said show and demographics and all that. |
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| A lot of people saying "Pft 17+ is adult anyway" are likely still young themselves and haven't hit the point where they are mentally adults. If you think you already know everything there is to know about being an adult then you are not one. Accepting that you are still growing, and that you will always learn and never know everything is a sign of maturity. The age gap isn't the issue as much as the ages. Having said that, and as someone who really hates the normalization of pedophilia and all related things in anime, after the first episode I think it's safe to say that this is a bit of a unique exception. He's very immature himself and as others have said kind of a loser. In many ways he is a lot like a teenage boy without the rough around the edges part so in this rare case, I get it. Also, as a side note, when women fall for much older men like this it almost always has to do with 'daddy issues'. Either their father wasn't a part of their life, they didn't have a good relationship with their dad, etc etc. @mysteriousbanana - That's a really wonderful analysis and I'm very glad I read it. It gives me hope for this series and it sounds very insightful, so thank you. |
AmberlehJan 16, 2018 2:00 PM
| Honestly all the guys i work with are lile ten to fifteen years older than me, and i have a crush on one. I think it isnt as weird if the younger of person of the gap is the one falling, but at the same time admiration for someone can morph or seem like love for some people... |
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That looks like he's supporting her, not like a hug or anything. Look at the awkward way her arm is. She probably hurt her leg and he's helping her walk. |
| I don't see the problem with it as long as it's done tastefully. She's not a child so what's the issue? This isn't the first age gap romance anime, so why are people acting so surprised? Ristorante Paradiso for example was another superb anime about age gap romance. |
| It really depends on how the story will go. Because I don't feel any problem towards a younger girl having feelings for an older man, that's quite common and I even relate to that because at that age, the maturity and interests gap between guys and girls is usually quite big. It's hard for some girls to connect with guys their age, even when they're perfectly fine guys like the classmate who likes Tachibana. He's not even that stereotype of asshole teenage boy, he's fine. But because she feels disconnected from that type of person she tends to go for older men. That's fine by me and so far in the show (I haven't read the manga but I'm interested) the focus has been on her inner thoughts and feelings and he's been pretty clueless about it, which to me is the correct way to start. I hate hate hate age gap narratives (especially older man/younger girl ones) when the guy just immediately clicks and goes for it. That's not normal. To me, that is the kind of pedo-ish behaviour that gives these narratives a bad rep. An adult isn't supposed to just jump into something like that or even realize it's happening, you know. Because as an adult I feel you're supposed to be the mature part etc. So I mean, if it's a story about a young girl trying to cope with her feelings for an older man and eventually this concludes into some type of romance, I'm ok, I guess. If this turns into a tease pedo party, which I seeeeeriously doubt, then I'd have an issue. So far so good. Also I completely disagree with the notion that they're making the manager extra pathetic or something just to add value to the narrative. He's very normal? He's clumsy and all but he's quite a normal person. Idk what y'all are on Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
NexuJan 20, 2018 10:55 AM
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| So many triggered people in this thread is giving me LYFE. I love it. This anime is pretty cute and I like it. It hasn't gone into bizarro sexual predator territory and I don't think it will, so it's fine. It's all good. People should judge this based on the actual story instead of jumping to conclusions based on the age gap. [Becky G's "Mayores" starts playing in the background] Then again I like older men; being 29 I almost dated a 47 years old, but then there was drama with his ex-bf and I wasn't about to fly to Australia of all places for some unsure thing (I live in Canada lol). And honestly, if I had a goddamn dollar for every gay man I know who's with a guy 10+ years older, I'd be disgustingly rich by now. Don't even get me started on the whole "daddy" thing that is uber-common amongst all the homo-folk -- there's a reason we listen to Lana del Rey religiously (myself included). I mean, this girl is 17 and she likes a 45 year old? Get on my level, sis. I'd date Mads Mikkelsen (52) and David Duchovny (57) and Harrison Ford (75) and trust me girlfriend, it's not about the money. ^o^ I miss 90s Harrison Ford. Those were his Prime Daddy days. I still would though. And last night when Daddy Mulder appeared in that one scene in these new X-Files episodes, lord I thought I was gonna diiiieeeee. All I have to say about this anime after the first episode is: GET IT GIRL |
Devil-FlamingoJan 19, 2018 2:35 PM
| Know a neighbourhood couple who are separated by 8 years where the girl is older and they have been married for 6 years and still going through and seem to be head over heel still....I think people specially westerners have a predetermined prejudice that people having 5+ age difference marry for the materialistism which is far from the truth |
| I fell in love many times with older guys (30-40, and i had a crush on a 45 yo, and also younger ones) and I'm just a few years older than Akira, I think age really doesn't matter in love, people who are scared by age differences have too many mental blocks. Tho i think if she was younger than that it would definitely be wrong. But at 17 you're not a child anymore and you don't look like a child, you can be with who you want. |
| I think this is the first age-gap romance of this order that I've seen. However, the main girl is likable and the guy she crushes on isn't a total douche, so I;ll wait and see where they'll take it before passing judgment. |
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| I can get past it, the only romance genre that I cant get past is gay love. |
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| Honestly, I feel that I should be way more concerned than I am. This series so far is doing fine at presenting it as a non-issue. Not for exploit or fetish reasons, not for a social commentary, not in a moralistic approach... it just exists and seems to flow naturally so far. I'm sure there will be some conflict about this but the show seems to be avoiding the further implications of its premise so far and I'm somehow perfectly fine with that. |
| Ahh, another thread like this... If other anime with similar themes have taught me something, is that nothing is going to happen until she's out of highshool and what I'm talking about is a intimate relationship. At "worst" she'll steal a kiss before highschool... Don't be a puritan and don't avoid watching good anime just because of this, the people behind it aren't monsters and you can guess from the anime atmosphere that this won't get smut in it. Marrying age in Japan is 16 for women, under 16 there needs to be at least a consent from one of the parents. Age of consent is 13 regardless of gender, BUT every prefectures and districts in Japan forbids it unless it's a "sincere romantic relationship (typically determined by parental approval)" at least it's what is on Wikipedia. |
| Fuck, there's actually an anime of it, I avoided this anime since it didn't appeal to me until I saw its manga got an award. I've read the first 7 chapters of the manga, but never have I thought that there's already an ongoing anime.... TIME TO WATCH AGE GAP doesn't bother me, since there's Lolicon Chess that has featured 9 Years old x 16 Years old ... Either way I've yet to see the real romance instead of making bad assumption about it. |
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| I don't have a problem with it, as it's being used as a source of conflict for the anime. The internal conflict that arises from the taboo nature of the subject matter makes the story inherently more interesting. The age gap is being used to pander or for shits and giggles. It's an integral part of the story. Without the taboo subject matter, we have no story. I think it would be a very reductionist outlook to dismiss the show for handling these themes. Now there are still ten episodes left for them to fuck it up, and if they do, then by all means criticize the show. As the show is only two episodes in, it's unfair to judge how well it handles the subject matter. |
Kittens-kun said: 100% agreed + a little more just for the 15 character capThey aren't real people, so I don't care. |
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| imo the age gap is handled very tasteful, realistic and without some weird pedo feeling behind it. i think the anime conveys very good that the problematic of the realationship is real and happens all the time. it isnt trying to plessure some weird fetishes (so far) and by all of that justifies itself to not be looked apon as a weird show some want it to be considered. |
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| The age gap looks big to me but if you look around in real life (or even in this thread), nothing will surprise you anymore. Furthermore age gap might be a hurdle because you're out of the norm but it's nothing compared being with someone who's alcoholic or an asshole or good-for-nothing, psychotic mess, completely dumb ... and so on. Those latters are more numerous (so it's not that much "out of the norm" ) but they do have relationships too. Which is preferable is anyone's own taste's matter. MysteriousBanana said: @Chiibi It sounds like you're aware of the manga's publication, but haven't actually read any of it? Well, since you have no intention to watch it anyway, lemme just put some fears to rest with spoilers: |
| @AlexGK If you look around you, you'll see that a lot of pathetic people are in relationships. So that's definitely never a problem. That's what love is made for actually. I do not "understand" Tachibana that well but I do not understand either people being in relationships with "pathetic" people either. It's beyond me but they exist, that's just the way it is, they are everywhere. Furthermore, remember, we are all "pathetic" from someone else's point of view. I'll admit though that the beginning of the story was a bit hard to relate or it was hard to understand Tachibana because, as you say, the Male lead had "almost" nothing for him. On the other hand, if you look at the younger male characters in the story, they are not better, they might even be worse, which is sure willingly so from the mangaka's point of view. In the end Kondou ... is not as bad as it appeared in the beginning of the story and he was just the guy with the right "vibe" who stroke all the right chords at the right time for Tachibana. That's all. That's love. Furthermore it seems that Tachibana is not on the "same level" as her schoolmate so it seems normal that she would be looking for something's different as well. |
Ysad_ZiwezhanJan 26, 2018 4:37 AM
| I haven't watched it, sounds fucking hot. |
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