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Sep 10, 2017 9:13 AM
#51
Finally we get to listen to the vice president's voice lol, and it sounded like being modified to sound like a man. Then MAL listed her VA as the same as the president's - Miyuki Sawashiro. Safe to say, she's using a voice machine to alter her real voice. Maybe we will see her unmask herself and reveal the ultimate mad machine. After all, we have yet to know how the Momobami sisters rode their way to the top of the student council. Back to the game, "Choice Poker", I must say the creator of Kakegurui is pretty fine in creating new games, but sadly most of them are pretty unfair and would never be practiced in real life. It's great for drama, though. This episode has great pacing again, and it's powerful enough to get you hooked. You will hard realize the episode ended! 2 more episodes! |
Sep 10, 2017 9:27 AM
#52
Sep 10, 2017 9:42 AM
#53
Sep 10, 2017 9:54 AM
#54
Swim_Swim said: Smudy said: Good episode. I'm liking the game, simple rules, no bullshittery, poker. Manyuda is glorious, he's an analytical type and Sugita fits really well for this role. This, finally a clean simple game,really enjoyed this episode. If only the other games would have been same(too much bullshit, too much cheating boring), the series could have been more enjoyable. What bullshit? There has barely been any to my knowledge, and I didn't really find any of them boring besides the last one since they skipped a good amount of stuff. And all the games have been very simple and straightforward to me, with this one being no different. I do not see how they were that complicated at all, really. I can, however, understand the complaint towards the cheating aspect, even though that's a very common theme in these type of series. |
Sep 10, 2017 10:56 AM
#55
Episode 10: when your friend asks you for more gambling money lmao |
Sep 10, 2017 11:23 AM
#56
Yumeko might have not done her best (I won't say she lost on purpose though) just to get Sumeragi to choose, which subconsciously brought herself back. That was the same previously with the other characters so it's definitely not something that's one off or coincident. |
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Sep 10, 2017 11:27 AM
#57
Its great but I hope they do something in the next (last?) couple of episodes. |
Sep 10, 2017 12:01 PM
#58
So the student council president was meeting some important people it seems. A public match against this guy then. No wonder everyone was so surprised since a public match shouldn't be used that freely. And there goes Itsuki's plans then. A public match between Yumeko and Manyuda then. Sayaka looks like she's at wits end trying to stop the second years from gaining more power. Hmm the masked girl finally speaks. So thats the vice president then. So the game will be a variation of poker then. So the trick here is the choice then. In this game money is the key then it seems. Trust the council to start with a billion right off the bat. I love how these games also go into depth of what the enemy is thinking as well. Man Manyuda doesn't have any respect for his fellow members does he. Bet Itsuki never thought that Yumeko would ask her to support her though. Man that was some harsh words that Manyuda said to Itsuki though. Yumeko's plea to her though was just like her though lol. But this sure is a difficult choice for her though. The flashback into Itsuki's past was pretty interesting though and helped define her as a character as well. Manyuda is someone that see's everyone as pawns for his own ambition so believing in him is a poor move. Something that Itsuki knows well. Its nice that in the end she realised this and decided to support Yumeko. |
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Sep 10, 2017 12:59 PM
#59
MareepYay said: Swim_Swim said: Smudy said: Good episode. I'm liking the game, simple rules, no bullshittery, poker. Manyuda is glorious, he's an analytical type and Sugita fits really well for this role. This, finally a clean simple game,really enjoyed this episode. If only the other games would have been same(too much bullshit, too much cheating boring), the series could have been more enjoyable. What bullshit? There has barely been any to my knowledge, and I didn't really find any of them boring besides the last one since they skipped a good amount of stuff. And all the games have been very simple and straightforward to me, with this one being no different. I do not see how they were that complicated at all, really. I can, however, understand the complaint towards the cheating aspect, even though that's a very common theme in these type of series. Well, the fourth game was a bit more complicated to follow, but otherwise, so much this. Only one I could agree as being rather "bullshit-y" was how Yumeko destroyed Sumeragi in the second episode, even though there is a reason why. Still, everything else outside of the cheating has been just as simplistic and straightforward. Take out three cards randomly from a box and play rock paper scissors, flip and match both the number and suit of the card, predict what numbers the swords land on and hope your spot doesn't land as Death, these shouldn't be hard to follow at all... |
Sep 10, 2017 1:31 PM
#60
WHoaaaaaa, I don't get what the fuck is Yumeko up to, but whatever it is, I like it..........Ok so masked girl's voice is that of a man, either somebody made a mistake of casting Sawashiro Miyuki to be that character's seiyuu or that character's voice is supposed to be done by a guy all along......I still say that Yumeko should've given Sumeragi a bitch slap, 2 more to go and I don't think it will end on ep 11, rater it will be on the last episode. |
Sep 10, 2017 1:59 PM
#61
Yumiko has an agenda, despite all the chaos that she creates, there always seems to be some method to her madness. The loss to Manyuda was obviously a ploy to force Sumeragi to commit to her side. She did something similar with the other girl during the special matches (convince her to side with them), and it's pretty obvious that she was making Sumeragi analyse her own situation and her relationship with Manyuda to reveal what he really was using her for. Looking forward to seeing her comeback match. As for the vice prez. It's way too obvious that she's using a voice changer beneath that mask to hide her true identity. It's no surprise they made such a distinguished differentiation by using a male voice there. |
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Sep 10, 2017 3:03 PM
#62
L-Ryoshi said: The loss to Manyuda was obviously a ploy to force Sumeragi to commit to her side. She did something similar with the other girl during the special matches (convince her to side with them) I really don't think she purposely lost, else there's no point in risking so much if she would have lost on purpose. She's not one who likes guaranteed results, anyway. I would just say that she just knew how important and rich Sumeragi is that she's the one who would give her a much greater chance in winning, along with wanting her to prove herself as a friend by asking for her help. Btw, I doubt she purposely lost for Tsubomi. She just wanted her to play as well and not really follow Kiwatari as complete livestock anymore. |
Sep 10, 2017 5:09 PM
#63
M49 said: MareepYay said: Swim_Swim said: Smudy said: Good episode. I'm liking the game, simple rules, no bullshittery, poker. Manyuda is glorious, he's an analytical type and Sugita fits really well for this role. This, finally a clean simple game,really enjoyed this episode. If only the other games would have been same(too much bullshit, too much cheating boring), the series could have been more enjoyable. What bullshit? There has barely been any to my knowledge, and I didn't really find any of them boring besides the last one since they skipped a good amount of stuff. And all the games have been very simple and straightforward to me, with this one being no different. I do not see how they were that complicated at all, really. I can, however, understand the complaint towards the cheating aspect, even though that's a very common theme in these type of series. Well, the fourth game was a bit more complicated to follow, but otherwise, so much this. Only one I could agree as being rather "bullshit-y" was how Yumeko destroyed Sumeragi in the second episode, even though there is a reason why. Still, everything else outside of the cheating has been just as simplistic and straightforward. Take out three cards randomly from a box and play rock paper scissors, flip and match both the number and suit of the card, predict what numbers the swords land on and hope your spot doesn't land as Death, these shouldn't be hard to follow at all... Speaking personally, I've never found any of the games hard to follow and with one or two exceptions worked out what the "cheats" were well before they were revealed (the one that's been animated so far is the plaque switching). From the gambling side of things, I think the audience is just meant to enjoy the absurdity of the games, the characters who play them and enjoy watching Yumeko tear apart her opponents and their cheats through analysis, bluffing and sheer luck. This show is far more about the spectacle of turning the tables on Yumeko's opponents than the games themselves. For something that focuses more on the games itself, people should probably watch Kaiji. Kaiji is great and deserves more love 👌. |
Sep 10, 2017 9:38 PM
#64
Sep 10, 2017 10:29 PM
#65
I love the voice of the vice president~ Manyuda's monologue was great in how he assesses Jabami. |
Sep 11, 2017 12:44 AM
#66
I really liked Kaede in this episode, he reminded me to Byakuya Togami from Danganronpa. Unlike everyone else, who saw Jabami as a normal person, making her unpredictable for them, he knew Jabami's psychology |
WILL YOU STOP WHINING!? No I don't understand! You snap at people, you're scary, you tried to eat me, but you're also kind and you're filled with life! You gave me a name when I was a number, you gave me that compass, you taught me what it means to be alive! That's why I care about you Velvet! I'll protect you for my own sake. I don't care if you're malevolent, or if it was pointless! If it's a mistake to love you, then I"ll fight the whole world! A world without you, Velvet, is the one thing I couldn't bear! Eat my arm, just leave me the other one! I need it to clobber the jerk who made my Velvet cry! -Laphicet, Tales of Berseria |
Sep 11, 2017 3:56 AM
#67
WandererRedux said: M49 said: MareepYay said: Swim_Swim said: Smudy said: Good episode. I'm liking the game, simple rules, no bullshittery, poker. Manyuda is glorious, he's an analytical type and Sugita fits really well for this role. This, finally a clean simple game,really enjoyed this episode. If only the other games would have been same(too much bullshit, too much cheating boring), the series could have been more enjoyable. What bullshit? There has barely been any to my knowledge, and I didn't really find any of them boring besides the last one since they skipped a good amount of stuff. And all the games have been very simple and straightforward to me, with this one being no different. I do not see how they were that complicated at all, really. I can, however, understand the complaint towards the cheating aspect, even though that's a very common theme in these type of series. Well, the fourth game was a bit more complicated to follow, but otherwise, so much this. Only one I could agree as being rather "bullshit-y" was how Yumeko destroyed Sumeragi in the second episode, even though there is a reason why. Still, everything else outside of the cheating has been just as simplistic and straightforward. Take out three cards randomly from a box and play rock paper scissors, flip and match both the number and suit of the card, predict what numbers the swords land on and hope your spot doesn't land as Death, these shouldn't be hard to follow at all... Speaking personally, I've never found any of the games hard to follow and with one or two exceptions worked out what the "cheats" were well before they were revealed (the one that's been animated so far is the plaque switching). From the gambling side of things, I think the audience is just meant to enjoy the absurdity of the games, the characters who play them and enjoy watching Yumeko tear apart her opponents and their cheats through analysis, bluffing and sheer luck. This show is far more about the spectacle of turning the tables on Yumeko's opponents than the games themselves. For something that focuses more on the games itself, people should probably watch Kaiji. Kaiji is great and deserves more love 👌. I can completely agree to this. :) bdsbff said: Looks like Manyuda is going to lose next episode which sucks. I like him way more than all these other psychopaths. As much as I love him too, he deserves it. Monchete99 said: I really liked Kaede in this episode, he reminded me to Byakuya Togami from Danganronpa. Unlike everyone else, who saw Jabami as a normal person, making her unpredictable for them, he knew Jabami's psychology Ah yeah, I can see it, and I loved Byakuya as well. He was a very respectable character even when he was a complete jerk. :) |
Sep 11, 2017 5:06 AM
#68
This episode is epic. On a side note: do you think this anime will get a second season? I am not so sure about the sales and guessing how the anime will end there will be room for another season or a movie. |
Sep 11, 2017 5:41 AM
#69
elior1 said: I hope it ends well I swear if the ending is terrible it's going to ruin the manga for me... (although given the incredible way they've been pacing it, it might be unlikely)Pipe said: next episode we will know for sure if the season will end at that point as we expectedThe faces in the episode are nice. We will see how the gambling ends in the next episode. So far as expected, they slowed the pacing a bit. P.S. Who else here is praying that it isn't a cliffhanger, because, personally, it sure is shaping up more and more like one |
Sep 11, 2017 7:43 AM
#70
ShiroeTan said: they can end the season in the end of the next gamble if they will only spend half of the next episode on this one and outher half setting the one after.elior1 said: I hope it ends well I swear if the ending is terrible it's going to ruin the manga for me... (although given the incredible way they've been pacing it, it might be unlikely)Pipe said: The faces in the episode are nice. We will see how the gambling ends in the next episode. So far as expected, they slowed the pacing a bit. P.S. Who else here is praying that it isn't a cliffhanger, because, personally, it sure is shaping up more and more like one |
Sep 11, 2017 8:37 AM
#71
Mohammadalmannai said: This episode is epic. On a side note: do you think this anime will get a second season? I am not so sure about the sales and guessing how the anime will end there will be room for another season or a movie. I'm not really sure. I did read that this so far has a pretty nice reception in Japan when it comes to this year's anime of the season. But even if we do get a second season, I'm pretty sure it won't come in a long time. This anime is currently adapting the 5th volume of the manga, and from the looks of it, it seems to me that it'll adapt the 6th volume as the stopping point. The manga is currently at the 8th volume. The final chapter of the 6th volume released in Japan last year (I think in October?), with the 6th volume released as a whole in Japan in January this year. |
Sep 11, 2017 11:31 AM
#72
Manyuda is fab. Sugita is a perfect fit for him. I spoiled myself on the match's outcome. And damn, it's going to hurt bad D: |
Sep 11, 2017 12:56 PM
#73
First thing I thought - "wtf" with this voice? It fits really good, though. |
Sep 11, 2017 9:48 PM
#74
Lol I knew something was fishy when she lost and we were only halfway in the episode. |
Sep 12, 2017 12:19 AM
#75
the scenes with manyuda were great but it makes no sense to me why sumeragi doesn't like being a pawn of his but is completely fine with being a pawn of yumeko's. *SPOILER WARNING* as someone who has read everything of the manga, everything after this point in the story gets pretty atrociously bad. |
Sep 12, 2017 2:50 AM
#76
-cream- said: the scenes with manyuda were great but it makes no sense to me why sumeragi doesn't like being a pawn of his but is completely fine with being a pawn of yumeko's. You don't see why ? It obviously shows why... and that's not necessarily being treated as a pawn by Yumeko, else you could say the same thing that she was trying to do to Yumeko in order to get to the top of it all. Yumeko wanted her to prove herself as a friend by helping Yumeko out when she needed it, and not to just be treated as a pawn herself. Regarding the second one, would you mind actually explaining why? Because it's fine to me, and I read the manga too (and why did you put a spoiler warning instead of tagging it as a spoiler?). |
Sep 12, 2017 7:44 AM
#77
Its a good episode, but i feel its lacking for no reason... Just my feeling i guess... Whats the president doing early in the ep? The game is easy to understand, probably only the card combinations, still, i wont understand much because i never played poker. The vice presidents voice though.... Wow... Looks to be disguised. Since yumeko pretty much losing on purpose, it might be interesting how she'll come back next ep 4/5 |
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Sep 12, 2017 8:35 AM
#78
Sep 12, 2017 9:45 AM
#79
M49 said: L-Ryoshi said: The loss to Manyuda was obviously a ploy to force Sumeragi to commit to her side. She did something similar with the other girl during the special matches (convince her to side with them) I really don't think she purposely lost, else there's no point in risking so much if she would have lost on purpose. She's not one who likes guaranteed results, anyway. I would just say that she just knew how important and rich Sumeragi is that she's the one who would give her a much greater chance in winning, along with wanting her to prove herself as a friend by asking for her help. I agree. Even though she calmly pulled nothing from her hand at the end, she put all in on her very little chances since she's just that kind of person. Besides, I really don't think this is a game that she could purposely win or lose in anyway, what with her pretty much never having the choice. |
Sep 12, 2017 10:38 AM
#80
MareepYay said: -cream- said: the scenes with manyuda were great but it makes no sense to me why sumeragi doesn't like being a pawn of his but is completely fine with being a pawn of yumeko's. You don't see why ? It obviously shows why... and that's not necessarily being treated as a pawn by Yumeko, else you could say the same thing that she was trying to do to Yumeko in order to get to the top of it all. Yumeko wanted her to prove herself as a friend by helping Yumeko out when she needed it, and not to just be treated as a pawn herself. Regarding the second one, would you mind actually explaining why? Because it's fine to me, and I read the manga too (and why did you put a spoiler warning instead of tagging it as a spoiler?). No i get that it was written in a way to suggest yumeko is for some reason a better person than manyuda when really she isnt. she phrases it in a way that would suggest she really wants sumeragi to be her own person when in actuality there are better ways to be your own person than putting down $10m for someone who literally wanted to remove your fingernails a few episodes ago. honestly i dont really think this is so much an issue with yumeko as a character as much as it is of kawamoto being an untalented, fanservice (both visually and narratively) heavy author. and also the tower of doors and the fucking train wreck that is the rest of the family showing up out of no where for a fucking high school election is the dumbest thing ive ever seen and if you're kidding yourself if you tell yourself otherwise Mod Edit: Added spoiler tags; please hide plot details. |
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Sep 12, 2017 11:53 AM
#81
-cream- said: 3No i get that it was written in a way to suggest yumeko is for some reason a better person than manyuda when really she isnt. she phrases it in a way that would suggest she really wants sumeragi to be her own person when in actuality there are better ways to be your own person than putting down $10m for someone who literally wanted to remove your fingernails a few episodes ago. xDDD This actually got me. Not making fun of you. I just thought it was funny. Anyways, but she is. She obviously didn't look down on Sumeragi nor used her as a tool to throw away as trash when useless (besides, she would have done this sort of thing to Suzui if that was the case. She also would not have helped him out from the beginning, or would have mocked Mary along with the others when she was livestock). Yes, there are better ways to be her own self, but it's not like going back to Manyuda, the one who outright trampled over her when she lost and was using her as a pawn to get himself and only himself to the top this whole time, is going to be any better at all. Yes, it was only himself, because it shows, what with him being behind the incident that nearly ruined Yumemite's career and dream, along with calling everyone else in the student council "stepping stones to his own path of victory". He will take down both of his enemies and allies to get to where he wants with no one getting in his way while on that path. Sumeragi wanted Yumeko to become president so that she can get back into the student council and inherit her family's business, therefore acting as her "friend", but she also wanted to get to the top of it all by being the president, the main reason she wanted to go into the student council in the first place. She did say she doesn't want to just end at just being in the student council. She wanted to be "king". This is her true ambition for herself only, not even for her own father's wishes (since her father just wanted her to be in the council and inherit the business), and with the way Manyuda treated her, that's pretty much not gonna happen at his side. As someone who has this kind of goal, who wanted Yumeko to be president to help towards her own goal when Yumeko didn't care about the sort of thing, and someone who acted like a "friend" to Yumeko, she can't just sit behind someone else believing that everything should go honky-dory. She's going to have to risk herself as well, not only as Yumeko's "friend", but also from what she wanted from Yumeko to help achieve what she truly wanted for herself right from the beginning, so she has to help defeat Manyuda since he will definitely stand in her way from her own goal. And dude, you have GOT to mark your spoilers. Not trying to be mean, but seriously. I don't really see much of a problem with the Tower of Doors. You still didn't really explain about that... and that second sort of event with the rest of the family showing up wasn't out of nowhere. They were the kind of people "Kirari" was talking to when she went on that helicopter, and are the people she invited into the school earlier. She planned the whole kind of event to happen sooner or later. |
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Sep 12, 2017 9:45 PM
#82
MareepYay said: -cream- said: 3No i get that it was written in a way to suggest yumeko is for some reason a better person than manyuda when really she isnt. she phrases it in a way that would suggest she really wants sumeragi to be her own person when in actuality there are better ways to be your own person than putting down $10m for someone who literally wanted to remove your fingernails a few episodes ago. xDDD This actually got me. Not making fun of you. I just thought it was funny. Anyways, but she is. She obviously didn't look down on Sumeragi nor used her as a tool to throw away as trash when useless (besides, she would have done this sort of thing to Suzui if that was the case. She also would not have helped him out from the beginning, or would have mocked Mary along with the others when she was livestock). Yes, there are better ways to be her own self, but it's not like going back to Manyuda, the one who outright trampled over her when she lost and was using her as a pawn to get himself and only himself to the top this whole time, is going to be any better at all. Yes, it was only himself, because it shows, what with him being behind the incident that nearly ruined Yumemite's career and dream, along with calling everyone else in the student council "stepping stones to his own path of victory". He will take down both of his enemies and allies to get to where he wants with no one getting in his way while on that path. Sumeragi wanted Yumeko to become president so that she can get back into the student council and inherit her family's business, therefore acting as her "friend", but she also wanted to get to the top of it all by being the president, the main reason she wanted to go into the student council in the first place. She did say she doesn't want to just end at just being in the student council. She wanted to be "king". This is her true ambition for herself only, not even for her own father's wishes (since her father just wanted her to be in the council and inherit the business), and with the way Manyuda treated her, that's pretty much not gonna happen at his side. As someone who has this kind of goal, who wanted Yumeko to be president to help towards her own goal when Yumeko didn't care about the sort of thing, and someone who acted like a "friend" to Yumeko, she can't just sit behind someone else believing that everything should go honky-dory. She's going to have to risk herself as well, not only as Yumeko's "friend", but also from what she wanted from Yumeko to help achieve what she truly wanted for herself right from the beginning, so she has to help defeat Manyuda since he will definitely stand in her way from her own goal. And dude, you have GOT to mark your spoilers. Not trying to be mean, but seriously. I don't really see much of a problem with the Tower of Doors. You still didn't really explain about that... and that second sort of event with the rest of the family showing up wasn't out of nowhere. They were the kind of people "Kirari" was talking to when she went on that helicopter, and are the people she invited into the school earlier. She planned the whole kind of event to happen sooner or later. sorry i don't really post on forums that often and i have no idea how to tag a spoiler properly on this site. (ok now that im replying to you i see how you did it so ill do it when i talk about the next thing i have a shitton of problems with the tower of doors. First of all, no matter how much money the academy has, why would they spend millions of dollars building a huge fucking tower that rotates and has death traps when it can literally only be used once. because of how it works it literally cannot be used a second time because once you know how it works the whole thing is a cake walk. second, it's ridiculously tailored to the situation. no person would choose to jump 5 floors down because "oh that must be the best way to kill myself." jumping 3 or 4 floors down would kill you too. the 5 floor cop out was so ridiculously specific to sayaka that it would have no applications to anyone other than her specifically. unless you employ the conceit that kirari built the entire fucking thing specifically to test sayaka's logical thinking and fanatic devotion to her and was just waiting to pit sayaka against someone else in the tower, knowing that sayaka would lose, and see if she chose to jump 5 floors down, which is ridiculous in and of itself. third, it has nothing to do with gambling. it tests your math, logic, and computer science skills oddly enough, but never actually tests your gambling ability??? i get that the idea was they bet their metaphoric lives on who was smarter, but honestly its just about as similar to gambling as taking a BC calc test and seeing who gets the highest score. that arc also marked for me the part where kirari ceased to be an interesting and believable character. she was built up as this menaching gambling fanatic who had some twisted moral code that dictated those that were weak at gambling ought to be ridiculed. then she interferes when nishinotouin was about to lose, indicating that maybe she has ulterior motives and isn't just a one-track minded person who is obsessed with gambling and has a goal in mind. the fact she does nothing when manyuda loses and honestly enables his loss by letting the game continue after manyuda technically beats yumeko kinda makes sense when you think about it as a "she knew manyuda was trying to undermine her." but then theres the whole metaphor for the aquarium and its like "so does she just want to observe her own world as an impartial god like figure or does she have ambitions and want power??" and the nonsense with the tower of doors was kind of the breaking point for me and when her character ceased to make any sense to me. that whole thing followed immediately by a bunch of random family members showing up to be a stuco pres of a high school (when some of them are grown ass adults) just kinda marked the point where the story stopped being interesting to me. althougth i think the first few arcs had there problems too i still did enjoy reading it, but i feel that kawamoto had some great ideas but not quite enough talent to turn those ideas into something meaningful. i think i already said this in a different post but the fact that any character whose design has more than 5 seconds of thought put into it never face any real narrative consequences. mary, nishinotouin, ikishima (who is probably one of the weakest written characters in the show), tsubomi, sumeragi, sayaka, yumemite, and the loli who plays video games never really lose. sure they face some hardships but to no real effect. manyuda and the rapey guy have some of the most generic anime guy designs imaginable (and had about 3 panels of development between the two of them) so i the arcs where they were the main villain felt like a cheeky joke almost because honestly how on earth would yumeko lose to someone who looks like they could have been an extra. you could argue that the fun of the show is seeing how she wins rather than if she wins, but when the gambles get increasingly ridiculous (like an idol contest, choice poker, whatever that nonsense with russian roulette was, or the tower of doors). because the gambles are so unfamiliar and eclectic, it becomes pretty obvious that the reason they're written that way is because kawamoto isnt smart enough to write an equally convincing victory in actual poker or if its just impossible to devise a method of victory like with actual russian roulette. once again, that kinda breaks with yumeko's character because as much as she doesnt care about winning money and just about the thrill of gambling, youd think shed jump at the chance to play russian roulette (maybe not with bullets, but with a airsoft gun or with just one of the chambers marked). sorry i know i really rambled here tl;dr: a lot of the writing and character motivations don't really hold up when you think about it for a bit |
Sep 14, 2017 4:49 AM
#83
-cream- said: sorry i don't really post on forums that often and i have no idea how to tag a spoiler properly on this site. (ok now that im replying to you i see how you did it so ill do it when i talk about the next thing i have a shitton of problems with the tower of doors. First of all, no matter how much money the academy has, why would they spend millions of dollars building a huge fucking tower that rotates and has death traps when it can literally only be used once. because of how it works it literally cannot be used a second time because once you know how it works the whole thing is a cake walk. second, it's ridiculously tailored to the situation. no person would choose to jump 5 floors down because "oh that must be the best way to kill myself." jumping 3 or 4 floors down would kill you too. the 5 floor cop out was so ridiculously specific to sayaka that it would have no applications to anyone other than her specifically. unless you employ the conceit that kirari built the entire fucking thing specifically to test sayaka's logical thinking and fanatic devotion to her and was just waiting to pit sayaka against someone else in the tower, knowing that sayaka would lose, and see if she chose to jump 5 floors down, which is ridiculous in and of itself. third, it has nothing to do with gambling. it tests your math, logic, and computer science skills oddly enough, but never actually tests your gambling ability??? i get that the idea was they bet their metaphoric lives on who was smarter, but honestly its just about as similar to gambling as taking a BC calc test and seeing who gets the highest score. that arc also marked for me the part where kirari ceased to be an interesting and believable character. she was built up as this menaching gambling fanatic who had some twisted moral code that dictated those that were weak at gambling ought to be ridiculed. then she interferes when nishinotouin was about to lose, indicating that maybe she has ulterior motives and isn't just a one-track minded person who is obsessed with gambling and has a goal in mind. the fact she does nothing when manyuda loses and honestly enables his loss by letting the game continue after manyuda technically beats yumeko kinda makes sense when you think about it as a "she knew manyuda was trying to undermine her." but then theres the whole metaphor for the aquarium and its like "so does she just want to observe her own world as an impartial god like figure or does she have ambitions and want power??" and the nonsense with the tower of doors was kind of the breaking point for me and when her character ceased to make any sense to me. that whole thing followed immediately by a bunch of random family members showing up to be a stuco pres of a high school (when some of them are grown ass adults) just kinda marked the point where the story stopped being interesting to me. althougth i think the first few arcs had there problems too i still did enjoy reading it, but i feel that kawamoto had some great ideas but not quite enough talent to turn those ideas into something meaningful. i think i already said this in a different post but the fact that any character whose design has more than 5 seconds of thought put into it never face any real narrative consequences. mary, nishinotouin, ikishima (who is probably one of the weakest written characters in the show), tsubomi, sumeragi, sayaka, yumemite, and the loli who plays video games never really lose. sure they face some hardships but to no real effect. manyuda and the rapey guy have some of the most generic anime guy designs imaginable (and had about 3 panels of development between the two of them) so i the arcs where they were the main villain felt like a cheeky joke almost because honestly how on earth would yumeko lose to someone who looks like they could have been an extra. you could argue that the fun of the show is seeing how she wins rather than if she wins, but when the gambles get increasingly ridiculous (like an idol contest, choice poker, whatever that nonsense with russian roulette was, or the tower of doors). because the gambles are so unfamiliar and eclectic, it becomes pretty obvious that the reason they're written that way is because kawamoto isnt smart enough to write an equally convincing victory in actual poker or if its just impossible to devise a method of victory like with actual russian roulette. once again, that kinda breaks with yumeko's character because as much as she doesnt care about winning money and just about the thrill of gambling, youd think shed jump at the chance to play russian roulette (maybe not with bullets, but with a airsoft gun or with just one of the chambers marked). sorry i know i really rambled here tl;dr: a lot of the writing and character motivations don't really hold up when you think about it for a bit I'm just concerned for you since you'll probably get modded for the sort of thing, even though you did put a spoiler warning on it. Happened to me a few times here before. Okay, so first of all, I wanna warn that this will be REALLY long, and that I'm very sorry that this reply took so long. I actually already read it days ago and wanted to reply at the time, but there was just so much for me to feel like replying about that I took SO long in what I was saying overall. This was probably the longest thing I've typed on this site so far, and I've pretty much just rambled like yourself, but did even worse since I probably didn't make any sense in many ways or even at all. In fact I likely sounded incredibly silly myself, but I typed so much and don't feel like deleting. lol But for you to take so much time to explain your thoughts to me was really appreciative of you overall. :) Anyways, about what you've said about the game after this one... The first problem you have with it, I can definitely understand how you feel. No joke, but the reason for that is just the fact that Kirari's insane... lol that's pretty much it. She built it sorely for the type of gambles. Remember her also making another type of cheat sorely for Yuriko's game (the game in the third episode), which involved spending millions to make renovations and add a bit of space between the floors in order to even do the sort of thing in the first place? Yeah. lol But still can relate to how you feel. The second problem you had with it is understandable. Yes, even if she chose any other number to jump off from, she would have died. It even told us that, but it's not like she thought she was gonna stay alive anyway when she did choose a number. She thought she was gonna die no matter what she chose. I don't think it's necessarily her just thinking that it's the best way to kill herself (lol). I think it's just a way of showing us that she's her own unique insane way as well by showing Kirari that she'll pretty answer any and all problems towards her way or that she notices, even when on the verge of death, which is ridiculous, yeah, and I agree that this sort of thing looks like it had been tailored towards only herself as some kind of test at the end, but isn't that as a way of testing her IF she would have lost? I mean, she did lose obviously, but I don't think the tower is built only for this type of thing, like it assures that she will lose. That means it would have been built sorely for Yumeko to win, and we know Yumeko doesn't like gambles made for definite wins or loses, and seeing how she's much like Kirari, I'm pretty sure Kirari felt the same. While I doubt she could change how the tower revolves, I'm pretty sure that Kirari can just simply change the contents of the questions and the rules of the tower if she wanted to. Along with that, she simply placed a safety mat under the correct answer. She could just remove that if she decided any other two participants to gamble at that area, no? The third problem you have is... well, it's also completely understandable to me too, although this isn't new in gambling series, so I'm used to that. lol But still, I can understand that too. And how you've felt about Kirari is also understandable, though I think that's a way of saying that she's more of a mystery as well. The beginning of it, I mean. With her deciding to even make the sort of pet system in the first place, there is no surprise of how you've initially felt about her being one who basically has some sort of Social Darwinism thinking (I don't know if that was the best example for me to use) when it comes to gambling and the school itself, where the weak or unfortunate being ridiculed and is at a huge risk of pretty much being in a life of slavery, but it's not like we really know what's on her mind, which also doesn't make it a surprise after seeing the other actions she had done like helping Yuriko at the time giving you more thoughts as to how she really is. See, I think that she is just one who, as part of what you were wondering what she was before, who acts like an impartial god-like being of the world she created, viewing it all as her movie or something, but, also who is waiting for someone worthy to come and challenge her and ultimately defeat her. She finds it fun and beautiful to see someone not only exaggeratedly risking so much each time, but also who is potentially worthy of going towards her and taking her on while at their lowest state climbing back up towards her (I think). So she does this to Yumeko since she caused such an early scene with her unusual ways of playing and winning while making numerous others risk so much, and pushed Yumeko down to the lowest state of the system by making her a pet in order to be entertained in potentially seeing that same person climbing back up from or while still in that state; either of which while slowly aiming and getting closer to her to possibly challenge and possibly defeat her, all while continuing to enjoy seeing how much Yumeko risks herself along with the others she faces. https://imgur.com/a/VXBou https://imgur.com/a/RP8lM Speaking of Manyuda, I don't think she did that to him in order to make sure that he'll lose by continuing the game. I think she did that so that they, that being Yumeko and potentially Manyuda himself, to literally bet everything they can within that very gamble, as it's an amusing show to her; to see someone shine so brightly by putting forth everything they can. I think it's why she wore such a disguise in the first place; to see and enjoy how the student council and the school itself will be while she's "not around", and wanted to see the game between the two up close and how far they'll risk themselves. TL;DR and all in all, even though there were a few disagreements I think I've expressed, your problems with the game after this current one have been very understandable to me. Thanks for explaining how you've felt about them. Gave me a better insight on them too. Also, do know that the other questions I've asked in there weren't me completely disagreeing with how you've felt. Okay... that's three down. Now then... *Cracks fingers* onto the next one. While I could understand how you've felt about the character designs, even though you've especially felt this way toward the guys, I don't really find any of them to be particularly innovative or creative. Nearly everyone's in the same line of generic designs to me, both the boys and girls. Not necessarily a bad thing to go along with generic designs (though it's obviously not necessarily a good thing either) and I can understand since it's really hard to come up with designs more unique without being too far-fetched or something (or at least for me it is), and I'm just talking normal design-wise (without the crazy faces and whatnot. lol). But what do you mean that they don't lose to any real effect? If you're saying like the effect isn't permanent, then while I can understand how you feel, this isn't new in gambling series. Also, that's not really true for everyone... or at least so far. Besides numerous characters losing a ton of money (well, no. I don't really think that counts as permanent), so far, Sumeragi's still not back in the council, Manyuda has been fired and metaphorically lost his life, and Kiwatari's still a pet and I don't think he's getting out of it. When it comes to the hardship being permanent or not, it doesn't really matter that much to me as long as the actual effect happened. I always think that sooner or later, they'll get out of the state they're in from that loss in whatever gamble, unless they lost something completely irreplaceable. And remember, again, those other head family students appearing for that election weren't random, since those were the ones "Kirari" talked to when she left in that helicopter, walked to a room in a kimono, chatted with a bunch of speakers, and invited them over. I... have no idea why they couldn't just meet in person at the time, but it's them. lol. She basically planned for the whole thing to happen sooner or later in order to make another grande show for herself while also participating. So with that being said, I don't really understand what you mean with them being random. If you're talking about the two that were suddenly revealed to be Yumeko's sisters, than that I can understand. xD OH WAIT. I got this thing very wrong all this time. Just figured it out. Those aren't the heads of the families at all that she was talking to at the time. Those are simply the representatives they sent to her after she made that threat for the heads to come over. I'm so sorry. Well, they're still not random though since they sent them and she planned this sort of thing to happen, but still, I was wrong on this part. |
MareepYaySep 16, 2017 7:13 PM
Sep 14, 2017 7:30 AM
#84
Well, return to the card bet style, and the episode won in intensity again!!! And now Jamibi will be not alone!!! kekeke |
Sep 14, 2017 8:53 PM
#85
Great episode! The surprise will be good in the next episode! Shame there's only 2 episodes left. I wonder if we'll get to that scene :| |
Sep 15, 2017 4:38 AM
#86
Best ship for Yumeno who 'knows' her!!!!!! Manyuda is pretty level-headed compared to other members. His ambition to take StuCo President seat is good enough as no other member seems to want it, also is contested by his kohai Sumeragi as well. |
Sep 15, 2017 9:42 AM
#87
That was good. That right there was everything I've wanted this show to be. Cool idea for a gambling game. It genuinely kept me riveted. Good antagonist. Good build up of tension. And god damn what an unexpected ending. Hope it works out for Yumeko and co. You know it will though. They already faked us out once, trying to make us think it won't. I don't know how much manga is left. But I imagine we'll get another episode to wrap this up. And then the last one will be setting things up for another series. Assuming this one did well enough. Can't say I'm desperate. But I certainly wouldn't mind it. Especially after an episode as strong as this one. |
Sep 17, 2017 5:38 AM
#88
Oct 1, 2017 3:25 PM
#90
Nice to see everyone in the audience has given up on thinking too hard and just came to trust Yumeko has some secret strategy. Of course that's when she would seemingly lose. |
Oct 7, 2017 6:09 PM
#91
hmm, will Yumeko win against Sakamoto in the 2nd gamble? I hope so. |
Nov 4, 2017 9:41 AM
#92
Nov 5, 2017 11:15 PM
#93
Solid episode, but man this show has dropped off so much since the first three episodes smh |
“I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
Dec 25, 2017 7:18 AM
#95
Manyuda's gonna be that genius over-analytical type who'll eventually be responsible for his own downfall. I like it. |
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Apr 29, 2018 6:24 PM
#96
This poker is down right fun. The simplistic games have always been the best. A really was an upswing compared to the last two episodes. |
May 14, 2018 12:36 AM
#97
Such a good episode! It seems like there is SO much more they can do with this story. How are they going to wrap it up in just 2 more episodes??? |
Feb 4, 2019 10:40 AM
#98
Better than all the idol game shit If Sumeragi likes nails so much, I think she should do diff designs for her nails and not just keep the pink with white polka dots haha. Although they're very cute :3 Is masked girl really a girl thoooooo? :P or does her mask have a voice distorter lulz |
Apr 16, 2019 10:23 AM
#99
Manyuda's more of the cold and calculating type who's willing to use anyone as pawns to realize his dream and that so happens to be one of Yumeko's least favorite kinds of people. Vice President sounds like a man with that voice changer and it's weird that no one's fazed by that. She might've lost the first round but Sumeragi still bet on her in the end because she's not gonna settle on being Four-Eyes' lackey. |
Nov 25, 2019 3:29 AM
#100
That was an awesome poker game, I might have to try playing that variation with my friends :) |
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