Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata ♭ Episode 6 Discussion

hoopla123 said:
Way too fucking rushed jesus christ.

They decided to take their time adapting Volume 5 and parts of GS 1 which was good... only to rush the shit out of Volume 6 and probably Volume 7 when THESE TWO VOLUMES ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT VOLUMES IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING SERIES AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Holy fucking shit what a fucking train wreck garbage adaption this is becoming. Reminds me the fucking Oregairu Zoku adaptation (except this is much worse).

Literally re-reading the LN in my hands right now to get the details of what the anime adaptation decided to let go (despite most of these things being very fucking important).

Also got rid of very important dialogue and some scenes of Iori giving real bro advice and care for Aki which makes him the #1 bro of the series.

Here are the important scenes/dialogue straight up cut out from the adaptation....:

> Iori bringing medicine and changes of clothes picked out by one of his secetary coworkers in his doujin circle.

> Iori telling Aki that if Aki doesn't tell his group about him going to visit Eriri who fell sick alone without telling anyone in 3 days after the fact some of his members may leave the group which Aki takes as a joke/little insult from Iori when Iori was actually giving him sound advice because Aki treats his members like his little minions with almost no full disclosure/trust when it comes to big issues like this.

> Iori tells Aki that he should have sent someone else to take care of Eriri in his group while he works on the game because Aki is the fucking director with a deadline coming up and Aki flat out says that he can't trust anyone to do it himself because Utaha and Eriri hate each other (when in reality, these two have the utmost respect for each other) Eriri dislikes Michiru and he can't ask Kato to do it because he feels he uses her around too much. This was supposed to show that Aki has no real trust in his group and he almost cost his group the entire game project just because he couldn't trust others to help out when it counted the most.

> Got rid of Aki and Eriri spending days together and having little cute interactions together like a couple... Aki cooking and feeding Eriri some soup to help her get through her illness and Eriri cooking breakfast for Aki and feeding him when he gets sick due to him not eating for an entire day because he was too occupied with treating Eriri's illness..

> Got rid of the fact that THEY SPENT CHRISTMAS TOGETHER AND EVEN GOT RID OF THE MERRY CHRISTMAS GREETING RIGHT BEFORE THE CUT TO COMIKET AHHHHHH.

> Totally got rid of Eriri telling Izumi about how she has changed now from before and has the courage to be able to surpass Izumi's growth, which was a sign of her growth both as a creator and a direct effect of her making up with Aki

> Aki telling Iori that he can put 100% faith in the new Eriri while Eriri and Izumi have their own little conversation, which shows that Aki has improved in his trust issues when it comes to leaving his creators to do what they can without constant supervision and hindering the overall work progress.

> Got rid of the ending parts where Kato tries to act indifferently to the trust issues that Aki had during the Eriri incident and tried to brush it off when Aki asks her what is wrong. She eventually cracks and tells everything to Aki like she did in this episode's ending.

This volume was supposed to show that Aki is willing to put everything in the line (even his dream project) for Eriri and later on Utaha (in vol 10+) because those two girls are the two people he respects the most by far.

And since this happened, Kato is obviously pissed because of two reasons:

1. Aki didn't trust her or the group enough and almost cost them an entire project they worked on their own free time and money (hint hint Utaha) for HIS SAKE...

2. Aki didn't think about everyone else that put in so much effort into the project and decided to ditch all of that just for one person (in this case Eriri, and despite Kato and Eriri being best friends, which the anime does not display well... is still a huge no no to Kato).



So sad how Volume 6 was the Eririfag volume and also the second most important volume in the series (only after Volume 7), only to be rushed to fucking hell and beyond.

As a LN reader that has been following the series for years and spent quite the bucks on the series, it is sad to see the anime adaptation get so rushed, especially at the most important parts of the series...

Though I'm an Utahafag, if they were gonna rush it, they should have given Volume 5 and GS 1 2-3 episodes and adapted Volume 6 with 3-4 episodes...

I can only hope that Volume 7, the MOST IMPORTANT FUCKING ARC, doesn't get rushed to hell like this...

Devil_Slayer said:


Where can i read the LN ?

seconds_to_dere said:


It's not about Megumi going there, it's about not telling her, he could've at least told her. And I don't think Megumi will go there nor Tomoya wouldn't want her there, if Tomoya explained it properly, besides Kato would support his decision, Tomoya knows it's too late before he even got out of his house

Note: Kato noticed Utaha's move with that extra route, did she intrude on the two? Nope

TL;DR: it's legit tomoya's fault, kato getting angry is justified

DarcyD said:
Tomoya may be an idiot but at the end of the day he's the damn director, if he wants to make an executive decision and tell everyone about it later, why is that a problem? They go on and on about how he's the leader of them all anyway and now when he finally acts like one the girls wanna go and get petty? Ugh, this is why I really do like Kato the least out of all of them. Not only is she the only one who we as viewers still don't TRULY know about even in 2 seasons, the minute she gets left behind she bitches more than the rest of them, meaning she was only this complacent because she knew she was Aki's main girl.



Hurts, don't it??

Now she knows how Eriri and Utaha feel on a daily basis.

Contreras1991 said:


I know that im going to sound like a heartless bastard, but Tomoya does not have to explain to Megumi why he made that decision or warn her that he would, since he is the project manager and has the group's command to make executive decisions if he wants, moreover, that decision was for a personal matter (his friendship of the childhood with Eriri). He had to show her that, in spite of everything, he still cared for her. So Tomoya felt that Megumi's help was not needed to correct that problem, and Megumi had nothing to do with it. (She insisted that she wanted to help, she probably would not have listened to Tomoya's complain's, if she found out about the state of health in which Eriri was). Megumi has reasons to be angry with Tomoya?, Maybe, but Tomoya had an obligation to call her or answer her calls? Definitely not, as this is a personal problem.

Also in the corporate world sometimes when the boss has to make a quick decision (at the time, especially on a deadline for a project), he or she will take it immediately without consulting the others, given the seriousness of the matter . Subsequently he or she will inform the corporate board, facing the consequences of their decision

PS: Utaha and Megumi are different types of person, Utaha is more selfish than Megumi, Megumi is a little more open in helping people, besides that Utaha quite dislikes Eriri. Anyway Utaha almost made a jumble to Tomoya when they talked about writing a new route, and when he severely criticized her script

Contreras1991 said:


I know that im going to sound like a heartless bastard, but Tomoya does not have to explain to Megumi why he made that decision or warn her that he would, since he is the project manager and has the group's command to make executive decisions if he wants, moreover, that decision was for a personal matter (his friendship of the childhood with Eriri). He had to show her that, in spite of everything, he still cared for her. So Tomoya felt that Megumi's help was not needed to correct that problem, and Megumi had nothing to do with it. (She insisted that she wanted to help, she probably would not have listened to Tomoya's complain's, if she found out about the state of health in which Eriri was). Megumi has reasons to be angry with Tomoya?, Maybe, but Tomoya had an obligation to call her or answer her calls? Definitely not, as this is a personal problem.

Also in the corporate world sometimes when the boss has to make a quick decision (at the time, especially on a deadline for a project), he or she will take it immediately without consulting the others, given the seriousness of the matter . Subsequently he or she will inform the corporate board, facing the consequences of their decision

PS: Utaha and Megumi are different types of person, Utaha is more selfish than Megumi, Megumi is a little more open in helping people, besides that Utaha quite dislikes Eriri. Anyway Utaha almost made a jumble to Tomoya when they talked about writing a new route, and when he severely criticized her script

seconds_to_dere said:


Again, he only need to tell her, Megumi is sharp when it comes to these things like how she figured out that extra route true purpose. Meaning, the kind of girl Megumi is, she won't intrude, if she did, it'd be out of character

Personal matter or not, you have to explain and tell it to her when she specifically asked him to do so

Childhood friend? Isn't Megumi his friend too? Megumi and Eriri are friends too. And did you forgot what this "childhood friend" did to Tomoya when they were kids?

using a term of the past (childhood friend) to defend Tomoya is just not right, even Tomoya knows he's wrong

Mich666 said:
Women.. when you favour one the other gets mad. It's obvious she didn't wanted him to be with Eriri alone. But if anything this outburst was the proof that their wavelengths aren't so compatible as it looked before. She would probably do that again in the future if similliar misunderstanding repeated. All the time Katou was just hiding her jealousy, trying to overcome it with a smile. But every bit added to another and this was the result. But it was good scene after all, women tend to act this way.

I liked this episode even though sometime I have the feeling we are just seeing a drama for sake of drama. I mean, take that scene with Tomoya and Eriri alone at the cottage, when they were leaning side by side, holding gamepad - that one literally screamed for a kiss and the great atmosphere should sway them both.. (IRL, the kiss - and maybe more - would probably happened there). Yet for sake of this anime Eriri had to step back and explain herself - it really felt bit unnatural in that scene as the chemistry was working between them so well, if just for that moment.

And they only made it with the demo, now? But that also means that Utaha won't be around at summer comicon, because she graduates in March.. Well, well, we are only half-way through, really wonder where this series is headed.

btw - what's the deal with Enaka and her appearance there (with that weird smile at that)? I didn't get that at all.

Mich666 said:
I liked this episode even though sometime I have the feeling we are just seeing a drama for sake of drama. I mean, take that scene with Tomoya and Eriri alone at the cottage, when they were leaning side by side, holding gamepad - that one literally screamed for a kiss and the great atmosphere should sway them both.. (IRL, the kiss - and maybe more - would probably happened there). Yet for sake of this anime Eriri had to step back and explain herself - it really felt bit unnatural in that scene as the chemistry was working between them so well, if just for that moment.

And they only made it with the demo, now? But that also means that Utaha won't be around at summer comicon, because she graduates in March.. Well, well, we are only half-way through, really wonder where this series is headed.

Contreras1991 said:


Pretty much that. Tomoya is acting like a director should , and acting like a good friend should with Eriri. Megumi has nothing to do with that old relationship. He wanted to show her (Eriri) that he ,despite of all, still cared for her, so he put aside his goals for the sake of a friend

sekuhara said:


You probabdy don't know what a circle means. He is a director of a circle, not a company. People who have same dream/same favorites gather here to get "their" goal. He was the one who started the game, but it doesn't mean the game is his. Everyone worked so hard to make it, and Tomoya didn't pay them to work either. That was why Eriri got mad and cried at first you know.
And I didn't think he did the right thing. He could entrust Eriri to other members (such as Katou, since she really cared for Erri) and yet he sacrificed their goal to his own selfish. That was why Iori told him that he just wanted Eriri to be his.
Other members might want to get close to Tomoya, so they put their feelings in making the game as well. But Katou, she just loved their circle, she looked fowards to their game so she had the right to get mad. At least, if I was Katou I'd piss off tho.

XaneKudo said:


The hilarious thing about all of this is that Michiru said in the first season that everyone in the circle aside from Tomoya was only in it because they had ulterior motives (Utaha and Eriri wanted to be closer to him, Katou for shits and giggles), which were proven true to an extent. Both of Utaha and Eriri's drama were because of said ulterior motives (Utaha wanted him to choose her, while Eriri wanted him to call her his No. 1), while Katou's drama is her growing out of her stoic persona and getting invested into the project and everyone around it, and won't tolerate any changes made without her knowledge.

As for Tomoya, I think he feels stuck between being a hard-ass director who only wants the best out of his co-workers and being the caring guy that they all came to know and love. I think he panicked when he went to Eriri and didn't call Katou because of said stuck feelings (and also Utaha's predictions on how Eriri would go). He probably did have Katou on speed dial, but that went down south when Eriri fainted. So basically, good intentions, bad methods, as Katou pointed out.

As for Iori saying that Tomoya wanting Eriri just for himself, that was probably a ploy to get him to release Eriri so that his team can pick her up. Remember, they were scouting her before Tomoya picked her up. There is some truth to it, I won't deny, but the end goal is Eriri coming to rouge en rouge, and Tomoya giving her up is the key to it.

This also reminds me of Oregairu, when the protag there did the same thing like Tomoya did (take all of the problems onto himself) except there, he did so to become the common enemy and unite everyone to hate him. His clubmates acted the same as Katou did, but it was more dramatic since he viewed himself as the lowest scum of the earth.

Overall, I don't blame Tomoya for acting the way he did. He was wrong, sure, but I don't think he's selfish. He's just an otaku who has a lot to learn when it comes to being a leader.

Katou was right to get angry at him for doing things without her knowledge, even when she asked him to call on her to help if things go south. This happens again later, but this time

BurntJelly said:
Kind of meh episode except for the end. Don't think I've seen Megumi angry before. Wow!