manga getting axed because the anime failed to amuse japanese audience (who have shit taste)

Turtles_Hunter said:
I think it's time to realise non domestic market don't weight in the process. Even not French market, that is the only other decent manga/anime market compared to the japanese one. American market is a joke, it's a pebble on a mountain. You can spread this where you want, it's not the 3 idiots who will buy japnese manga they don't understand that will change something (because supporting is good, but let's be clear, buying something you don't get is stupid)

Japanese companies only cares about what happen in japan

Turtles_Hunter said:
In what way. What I'm saying is that it can be as popular as you want in the west, and selling well there, if it doesn't work in japan, it's gonna get axed. I'm not saying you don't have to support an author if you like the work by buying the things if they're available in your country.

Turtles_Hunter said:
Have you some example? Because like that, I don't get what you're talking about. Now yeah, since we're talking about the cancellation of the manga, I tended to consider the manga mainly. It's true that you have more and more japanese BR with english subtitles. I may be wrong about that.

Turtles_Hunter said:
@jarring. Ok, I may see where the problem is. When I said "Japanese companies only cares about what happen in japan", I was talking about the manga/anime field. I though it was obvious, since it was the subject of the thread, but I guess not. But if you have case of an anime/manga surviving because of its western support when it was not really well recieved in Japan, I'm still open to hear it.

Turtles_Hunter said:
Yeah, the fact it changed to be more western friendly, I can conceive it. But with the number of BR that are not subbed, and the way their manga are prepublished, I always thought it was more like a something more, but that the important thing always was the domestic market. If a manga get poor rating in a magazine, it get axed. And Westerners don't get their word to say.

When I said that other market were nothing compared to Japan, I have those numbers in my head. https://www.journaldujapon.com/2016/02/25/bilan-manga-2015-ventes-et-ca-repart/ (It's in french, but still, the graphic talks by itself). It's commonly know that French market the second market behind japan. and the annual sales are between 11 and 15 millions copies sold. That's about the number of One Piece volumes sold in Japan by year. So yeah, the it's not that big. And 90% of the manga sales in France are the 20 very popular series. So with that in mind, I doubt the foreign market really weight in the decision of axing a serie. And the public actually able to read japanese too marginal to change something by buying the japanese volumes.

For anime, I'm more encline to believe you. Since the production system works by seasons that are produced for a define number of episode (except for long running), so yeah, here, West could play its part, if it bought the BR/DVD. but there is still to many show that don't get english subtitles on the BR. So I'm not so sure they consider the foreign market that much. And there is the fact that the same way manga magazine get their series rated, there is the rating after television diffusion. A show that doesn't work in japan is a loss for the channel. I don't see how they would give it a second season if it doesn't work on the domestic market. I seriously doubt a series that fails in TV diffusion but works well in simulcast in the west will get a second season on Japanese TV. That would be weird. At Best it could work for OAV.

Turtles_Hunter said:
Yeah, the fact it changed to be more western friendly, I can conceive it. But with the number of BR that are not subbed, and the way their manga are prepublished, I always thought it was more like a something more, but that the important thing always was the domestic market. If a manga get poor rating in a magazine, it get axed. And Westerners don't get their word to say.

When I said that other market were nothing compared to Japan, I have those numbers in my head. https://www.journaldujapon.com/2016/02/25/bilan-manga-2015-ventes-et-ca-repart/ (It's in french, but still, the graphic talks by itself). It's commonly know that French market the second market behind japan. and the annual sales are between 11 and 15 millions copies sold. That's about the number of One Piece volumes sold in Japan by year. So yeah, the it's not that big. And 90% of the manga sales in France are the 20 very popular series (OP and FT alone are 20% of the sales). So with that in mind, I doubt the foreign market really weight in the decision of axing a serie. And the public actually able to read japanese too marginal to change something by buying the japanese volumes.

For anime, I'm more encline to believe you. Since the production system works by seasons that are produced for a define number of episode (except for long running), so yeah, here, West could play its part, if it bought the BR/DVD. but there is still to many show that don't get english subtitles on the BR. So I'm not so sure they consider the foreign market that much. And there is the fact that the same way manga magazine get their series rated, there is the rating after television diffusion. A show that doesn't work in japan is a loss for the channel. I don't see how they would give it a second season if it doesn't work on the domestic market. I seriously doubt a series that fails in TV diffusion but works well in simulcast in the west will get a second season on Japanese TV. That would be weird. At Best it could work for OAV.

For your example about thundercats, we had the discussion on the western animation thread. That's still a cartoon even if animation is done in japan. Of course Anime influence the the west, and the the west influence anime. But my point since the beginning is the following one "if the manga doesn't work in japan, you won't save it by buying the localised version of it, or even the japanese version. If the anime didn't work in japan, there is very few chances that you can save it by buying the BR. Because your voice is too small compared to the one of the domestic market". It seemed pretty clear to me, but now, I'm not a native speaker.

Turtles_Hunter said:
@jarring Sure, but still, they have the number from online diffusion. They take them in account when they determine if the show worked or no (and by worked, I mean is profitable). It's probably diffused on the website of the channel, or their YT page (like Gundam.info for all the gundam shows). But not many studio diffuse their works for internationnal audience like that.
Now there is the simulcast thing. on that, yeah, the Western world can be weight in the balance.

But once again, very few shows are ONA. The biggest part of anime is still aimed for television, with streaming as a complement. And if the channel don't find it's content there, Simulcast can be as good as you want, it's not gonna work. If streaming was the best source of revenue, you can be sure animation industry would have shifted to internet mainly. If it's still contracted with channel, it's probably because it where they get their money. I would add I doubt japanese tv channel get money on simulcast show. Studio do. And even if they do, that surely not a lot compared to what they earn with domestic market (but now, on that, I may be wrong).
But As I said, the line is not as clear for anime as it is for manga. So yeah, simulcast could help a little. More than buying the BR or mangas. But if we want to know if it could save a show or not, we should have the comparision between western simulcast and japanese one.

And do you believe there are 1 million westerner that even want to watch keijo.
First of all, Keijo is before anything else a manga. And as I mentionned earlier, western market is really weak compared to japanese one. We don't weight enough. And for the anime, I'm sorry, but it's too much of a niche to attract 1 million wester viewers. It's not realist. Sure, if it was like that, we would have a strong influence. Except it isn't. We fell in the the "if realm" right now.

Dpc292 said:
WHERE IS YOUR SIGNATURE FROM!!!!!!!!!?????????

Zalis said:
Serious/mature show fails: "Japan has shit taste, they only like mindless T&A!"

Boobie show fails: "...Japan still has shit taste!"

Interestingly enough, it's always the people looking to justify their not purchasing anything who say things like that, not the ones actually importing Japanese discs/books/other merchandise themselves. Funny how that works out.

CodeBlazeFate said:
How DARE you wast such valuable chicken nuggets?! You monster... ;~;

I bet those were Chick-fil-a nuggets too ;~;

Oh, and uh, poor Keijo, I guess...

The cows will find you.

Nugget killer.