Kiznaiver Episode 8 Discussion

MoonStar9 said:


Yes, the umbrella is the Japanese equivalent to the custom of carving names in a heart in a tree to signify love. This doesn't sink any ships, it was just the male teacher's attempt to make Nico x Tenga happen. That's why he had the Gomorin separate them into those two groups. Rewatch the episode. I fully expect this to backfire next week. They're trying to force love and any sense of intuition can tell you that will crash and burn. Especially when the female teacher already highlighted that the feelings were all one-sided. Next episode Tenga and Nico will probably run into Chidori in a state of mess, which will confirm his feelings for her if he really has any and that will then put a dent in Nico x Tenga. The more I think about it, none of these parings will probably end up canon because of this.

AUOdere said:
wow.
literal forced drama.
you know what, at this point all I care about is Nori-chan. Okada Mari, why are you so bad at writing.

zal said:
The irony of people complaining about characters being self-centred is that it makes them self-centered. 2deep4u

Dianga-12 said:


Wow, that was so incredibly deep. Your thoughts must run as deep as a kiddie pool.
Because characters can't be incredibly self-centered, like, I don't know, by forcing themselves on someone about being friends, or going to judge a grieving mother over a matter they have no true knowledge of or relation to, especially considering they're barely friends with the person they try to defend?

zal said:
It wasn't meant specifically to you, I said it because I saw more comments about it. I agree she is self-centered but that is not necessarily bad if that's her character. If you don't like her it is fine but keep in consideration that many people are self-centered so it is not an unrealistic trait. She was depicted as very simple minded and self-centered from the start.

P.S. my thoughts would drown in a kiddie pool because it is 2deep4me, after all only 2 inches of water are needed for a person to drown.

Dianga-12 said:


Sorry took that as directed towards me, because I saw a notification that I got a reply and the 'self-centred' is misspelled like my comment before my edit. (Kinda still think it is, but oh well, your reply is reasonable).

Well, you got a point there. It does give me a new perspective on her character, kinda makes her more human, though it doesn't stop the fact that I dislike her and will probably continue to dislike her. Especially considering the fact that many characters I initially disliked showed new sides to themselves or got some development, so I either became neutral to them or started to like them. Can't see that happening with Nico. The show tries to portray her as a Mako (Kill La Kill), but she just really can't play that role imo. Also, 'shallow' doesn't mean that she has no character at all. That simple mindedness of hers can be called shallow, and that's what makes her a not likeable character to me.

Also about your initial plot hole comment: I think that at one point Katsuhira was taken away (by his mother/father the researcher(s)) to be tested on for the Kiznaiver the kids edition experiment. Before that he knew Chidori and was himself. Or he knew her during the experiment, but during the experiment he was still cheerful and lost his emotions gradually, or in one instant when Sonozaki went all suicide mode.

zal said:
I spelled it self-centred because my auto-correct says self-centered is wrong. lol
Like I said it is understandable you don't like her, on the other hand other people think she is cute and adorable, opinions. Still you should be aware that disliking a character doesn't mean she is a bad character (nico might be one but I am talking in general).

Not really a plot hole yet but unsure of how things happened. I remember chitoge saying she fell in love for his character but changed. If it was 10 years ago when they were still kids this things won't go well for me.

Dianga-12 said:


Oh lol.
Well, I do get that. F.e. I dislike Sonozaki, but considering this episode and probably the next episodes, if they show her past decently, I can't say she's a bad character if it shows that it's understandable that she has become the way she is. With Nico it's different. The plot has centered more around her now, and sort of stopped using her weirdness as a gag. But compared to the other characters she lacks development. That's why to me she specifically is a bad character. (I feel the same way about Hisomu, but at least he remains more of a gag, than someone who's the focus of the main story). (And her cuteness/adorableness/wackiness falls flat when compared to Mako's; I will continue to be extremely biased on this one >.>)

Well, this show is kinda destroying itself by mixing 'the Kiznaiver' plot with a romantic drama. I'm kinda interested in what they're going to reveal the upcoming episodes, but it will be probably insufficiently explained in some way. So, probs going to not go well with you and a lot of other people. (Though if you thought about it more like Chidori being in denial and holding onto an old image of her friend, so also not truly liking him, would that make it more acceptable to you?)

zal said:
True

It is not about the justification but more about timing. If she fell in love before the experiment, did she continued to love him for 10 years even though he became emotionless? >.>
However until the time line is more certain I can't say it is really a flaw.

rockjuzz said:
It all make sense to me now.

It's going to sound a bit weird but in the first episode, when Niko is talking about the fairy and that everything is a dream and everyone else are second characters, and then Tenga goes on her saying: "Then i can touch you a little before you wake up" (Or something like that). From that moment i thought that thay had good vibes, and i was surprised that anyone commented about them. In the next episodes, when the Chidori x Tenga thing started, i thought that everything had been my imagination, but now i know that i was right! There is something between Nico and Tenga! (even if theres only at Nico's side)

I'm still surprised that most comments says that their relation came out of nowhere, i think they could make a really cute couple<3

Benphyre said:
definitely better like this

Sakaitsu said:
Poor Chidori, she was doing her confession >,<

Tevens said:
i think this episode was really great at how they were entering the drama more deeply like that xD and obvious they took kiznaiver as the adventage for the drama. i really like that a lot.

I agree with Tenga in this episode when he compliment Nico when she wear unknown jacket. she looks more cuter, heck i even think she looked a little bit cooler. Even tho Nico looks like a grade-school student but inside......man....that scene, Tenga x Nico moment almost made me wanted to ship them. but again, NO! i'm still stuck with Tenga x Chidori.

on the other side, we got more flashback and more info according to kiznaiver system and i found that a little bit interesting. Negative Fellings = Pain, and they could only do that long time ago, and couldn't do it with Positive Fellings. kinda confusing but i kinda know what he was talking about. and yes, for some unknow reasons, the experiment subject, all of them die, EXCEPT Katsuhira and Sonozaki, am i right ? and i'm guessing Katsuhira lost his feeling of pain because of the experiment. intead of him to died, he lost his sense to feel pain, i guess ? either way, that flashback at the end was still vague or more like confusing to me. everything will be revealed in the next episode they said, so i'm looking foward to it.

and back to the drama, Katsuhira met Sonozaki at the end of the episode and i'm guessing Chidori accidently saw them and she couldn't bring herself to interupt them ? and then for some reason she cried and ran away. suddenly he met Tenga and she cried in his arms ? Nico's looking at them and.....that's my limit. i'm done.

looking foward for the next episode xD

Edit: and btw, we know for sure that Sonozaki has kiznaiver system implanted in behind her neck and it didn't really suprised me that much. i kinda saw that coming from the beginning. but still....i'm curious....
i'm seriously gonna get all salty if they really made Tenga x Nico instead Tenga x Chidori. and the most thing that i don't want to see from this show is Chidori x Katsuhira.