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bastek66 said: I don't get why people complain about that scene with pushing side of train to prevent derailing. It's so fucking old cliché from action flicks... and you all sound like newfags who were born yesterday. Well, what about you try stating points here, just like i did with my message above, instead of just insulting people. This is a discussion thread, if you want people to stop complaining give them a reason. Insults don't help anyone. |
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kamisama751 said: bastek66 said: I don't get why people complain about that scene with pushing side of train to prevent derailing. It's so fucking old cliché from action flicks... and you all sound like newfags who were born yesterday. Just because something is a clichee doesn't mean it can't be wrong. It's a fucking rule of cool. Did you forget that you are watching action flick? |
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As always, the key to increasing speed lies in losing some pieces of clothing. Luckily, Yukina's sacrifice managed to secure the train's escape. However, despite Yukina's best efforts, Suzuki still remains the best character. Another entertaining, action-packed episode. |
kamisama751 said: Clichee-->rule of cool I don't think that it can work this way at all. How can something so clichee (by your view) be cool? It works just fine in movies and we find it cool. Actually, I remember such a scene in Speed. The passengers were moved to the right side of the bus, such that the bus won't flip while making a sharp turn. |
| Holy-fucking-gear-shifting-golly-orgasms. It started off a tad slow and I was worried it would turn into an angst-fest with Mumei crying and Ikoma running around killing everything in sight while reciting the harem initiation ritual. But it pulled through. That fucking insert...that's how an insrt is supposed to be used. Aldnoah.zero, you let us all down. 8/10 -1 for oddly placed angst-flashback (though this isn't a harem anime. It doesn't need to be resolved in one or two eps. So +.5. But Annoying engrish from mechanic -2.5) -1 for the derpy Yurika Misumaru shriek the "heart" made. +1 for Yukina's "pressure release". |
| Why the hell does it matter if they stand like fucking penguins on one side of the train or push against the wall for a placebo effect induced by adrenaline from the risk of derailing to their doom. The end result is the same. Weight gets redistributed and the train stays on its tracks. God the nitpicking grows more and more ludicrous with each episode. |
kamisama751 said: zellami said: It works just fine in movies and we find it cool. Actually, I remember such a scene in Speed. The passengers were moved to the right side of the bus, such that the bus won't flip while making a sharp turn. It is "pushing" and not "on one side" this time. They are two different things. What's the difference if they are in right place? They can poke their noses if they want or sing, what matters their weight is shifted to the side that won't add to the dis-balance :D |
kamisama751 said: Clichee-->rule of cool I don't think that it can work this way at all. How can something so clichee (by your view) be cool? Because clichés and tropes aren't inherently bad. sleeplesstown said: bastek66 said: I don't get why people complain about that scene with pushing side of train to prevent derailing. It's so fucking old cliché from action flicks... and you all sound like newfags who were born yesterday. Because the physics of it are fucking stupid. Standing on one side of the vehicle is the cliché, not pushing on the inside wall. Do you really think they didn't know pushing doesn't work? They might as well lean on these walls as much as they could. Also, Ayama told everyone to stand on right side of train not push walls. |
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Darklight0303 said: ZoroZoldyck said: I loved this episode and especially the OST. The ending still slays. Oh and we finally get the name of the guy I've been adoring, his design and voice are manly <3 Which one? Sukari or Suzuki? Actually.. It's Kibito. I like his design the most. |
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bastek66 said: kamisama751 said: Clichee-->rule of cool I don't think that it can work this way at all. How can something so clichee (by your view) be cool? Because clichés and tropes aren't inherently bad. sleeplesstown said: Because the physics of it are fucking stupid. Standing on one side of the vehicle is the cliché, not pushing on the inside wall. Do you really think they didn't know pushing doesn't work? They might as well lean on these walls as much as they could. Also, Ayama told everyone to stand on right side of train not push walls. This was one of those "If we all work together" moments. Think of the fishing boat scene at the end of Finding Nemo or the escape from the flooding nest in the movie Antz, though they had more logic. But was more about symbolizing the struggle against seemingly impossible odds more than making "sense" otherwise we wouldn't be watching a show about zombies with glowing hearts or high-school kids with materializing battle armor swooning over the most band and dense human on earth. |
QWERTYFish25May 20, 2016 3:29 PM
Damaera said: I didn't like her overbearing attitude at first. But part of me is warming up to the idea of women striving to be significant in a world that constant ushers them to the rear. And blames their actions on biological factors such as menstruation in a way there may be a tad of truth towards the pushing supergirl. But...then again most writers are men or at the least influenced by men's second-hand experience of being a woman.God damn Mumei is such an unlikeable and annoying character, I don't understand why so many anime's continue to have characters like this. Kind of like how Ikoma shuts her down pretty quickly though. ...Sorry for the mansplaining ladies. Back to Mumei, Hopefully she doesn't start action like a hapless bishoujo or an annoying tsundere in two episodes. |
| Just how big is Japan in this anime? Assuming that the train can barely outran the kabane and it travel at best at 50km/h, it shouldn't take them more than a day to travel from one side to the other of japan. In the anime it seems that it takes them days to reach another town. |
Daw11 said: Just how big is Japan in this anime? Assuming that the train can barely outran the kabane and it travel at best at 50km/h, it shouldn't take them more than a day to travel from one side to the other of japan. In the anime it seems that it takes them days to reach another town. ....  ...That actually makes some sense. |
| I did some math, assuming that it takes them 2 days to reach a new town: 1600Km * 2 = 3200Km distance between towns. So if we assume that the big towns in the real world are at around 200km between each other then: 3200Km * 1600Km / 200Km = 25.600 Km Japan in this anime should be around 20 times the Japan in the real world and approximately two times the diameter of Earth. |
Damaera said: God damn Mumei is such an unlikeable and annoying character, I don't understand why so many anime's continue to have characters like this. Kind of like how Ikoma shuts her down pretty quickly though. It's perfectly fine that she acts like 12 years old brat because she is one. If she wasn't she would've been called a mary sue by "critics" here (actually nitpickers is better name for them). |
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| 12 Why the low age? Fetishism? She could at the very least be about 16+. At least it's not as bad as the chick from broken blade, that was ridiculous. I think they made her age just for the sake of the shock the MC felt. |
QWERTYFish25 said: 12 Why the low age? Fetishism? She could at the very least be about 16+. At least it's not as bad as the chick from broken blade, that was ridiculous. I think they made her age just for the sake of the shock the MC felt. Or they made her twelve so she could be a surogate younger sister to Ikoma to make up for how he lost his blood related sister while giving Mumei a brother that doesn't just value her as an asset to kill Kabane |
Thug_Gou said: GD1551 said: I took some screens and I'm convinced. If the image tags don't work just go here http://imgur.com/a/BoVxV I don't think she's the same girl from the flashback though, she has a different hair color and different bangs. But she must be from the same organization. Oh I meant same organization that's why I said one of mumei's friends, I just used that one as an example. |
| Glad to see Mumei being badass again |
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superzombie23 said: This show has gone down hill. As expected from the guy who directed Guilly Crown, which has no source material like this show. Deus Ex Machina everywhere with no explanation. Not really. The cannon was shown last episode if that's what you're griping about |
| Nice visuals this episode; Fairly good all around |
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| "We're weak" "We're going to die" 12 episodes. Welp I thought it would be 2 cours at least. Anyone knows how well this show is doing in Japan to warrant a 2nd season because I'm really curious as to how they're going to end this within 6 episodes. |
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| Loved the teamwork shown in this episode. Got to love all those Mumei x Ikoma scenes. |
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| i thought when mumei looked at the heart of the black smoke....i thought there was gonna be a flashback of that person being one of her old allies.... |
| Sry guys, I'm the main character of this anime. |
ALtheCHOSEN said: i thought when mumei looked at the heart of the black smoke....i thought there was gonna be a flashback of that person being one of her old allies.... As somoene already pointed out, it certainly looked like the person in the Heart was wearing Mumei's kind of attire. |
| @GD1551 : ok Daw11 said: Just how big is Japan in this anime? Assuming that the train can barely outran the kabane and it travel at best at 50km/h, it shouldn't take them more than a day to travel from one side to the other of japan. In the anime it seems that it takes them days to reach another town. LOL That makes more sense and you even got a calculation. *thumbs up* @StevePen387 This was the kind of proof (sort of) that I was looking for in one of your points. Not hating on your NOtp, but that's just a small age gap. LOL You should check out Erased xD 10-11 years Besides, when she turns 18, Ikoma is still 23. As adults, it's not that big of a problem. Yeah, that's what I meant, in a very weird construction of sentences. wat? HyperL said: To the ones that have a problem with the train "pushing" scene I think everyone is over reacting to the pushing scene. YES, pushing does not help in the slightest, BUT the act of pushing was what we could call an "human effort". People do tend to do extra unecessary stuff when trying to acomplish something they don't know exactly how to, specially in critical situations. That was a first for most people in the train and they were all just following Ayame's orders to beggin with, so they pushed not knowing if it makes a difference or not, just hoping whatever they did would work. Also keep in mind that science/physics is not something that people keep in mind too often, again, specially in critical situations. At last, just think, if we can manage to talk about physics here, don't you think the writters of the show also do? They're not stupid, they know pushing the train doesn't change a thing, which reinforces my statements, the train people pushed the train as a hopeful "human effort", and the writters made them do it to show that they were all doing their best to save themselves. Now i hope that people read this message. And please feel free to rebut it if you still think there's something wrong with the scene in question or my statements. yeah.... I'm just gonna give this a +1 :D superzombie23 said: Can you explain how they managed to find where they were buried in the mine and have enough time to get a crane to lift the debris while the Black Smoke is lurking around? I thought the Black Smoke would have gotten in the way while they use the crane to lift the debris. They kind of cut around that part so they don't really show how they evaded the Black Smoke to get to the crane. That time the Black smoke was still trying to regenerate itself. It got dispersed when they closed the giant metal gate. That was long......... X_X |
Thug_GouMay 20, 2016 7:07 PM
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| Folks, this is the best episode of the entire series so far.... the character are engaging, the tension is builded, and BOOM, the stupidity is splatering here and there... 1. Nepalic song? Arabic? Gujarat? as soon as i heard the music, i can't help but to remember Mani Ratnam's Dil Se... gota praise the sound director for his daring variations... 2. So the titan cold not breach trough the steel plate even with such a good momentum. But few minutes later, koutetsujo blast through the door like a triplex wood. If we are to assume that the density of koutetsujo's metal was somehow greater than the plate, then the premise itself proved to be inconsistant as later revealed that even just only by it's weight the amalgmation managed to bent the roof of koutetsujo, yet did not capable to breach the steel plate... but, recently upgraded amalgamation? yeah, that might stick... 3. Mumei is buried by stone boulder, but somehow ikoma who previously princess-carry her when the tunnel was falling-off is safe and running around. The script writer somehow create a convinient damsell in distress situation for mumei. 4. I was almost sure mumei's leg and below would be crushed! her bones broke, her flesh in gangrenous necrosis, but yeah..... 5. em..... is that a sports bra that the machinist girl wore? it was never necessary to reveal that right? i can't discern the reason. machismo? showing off? i'm so confused... |
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When you realize she's only 15 :^) BTW, I took the age quiz of the characters and failed horrifically (50%). Never thought I'd fail an anime quiz lol http://goboiano.com/original/4401-can-you-guess-the-ages-of-the-cast-of-kabaneri-of-the-iron-fortress%253F |
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| Man, people are complaining about the Fused Colony not being able to pass through the gate while the train could......are you guys forgeting that the train is made of some metal (don't know exactly what kind of metal) while the monster is just a huge cluster of kabane flesh? Metal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flesh And it's not just one big piece of flesh either, it was many little pieces of flesh (a.k.a kabane) "glued" together, which is way less resistant that just one big part, explaining not only why the monster coudn't pass, but also why he fell apart when he collided. Now, that may not excuse the train being able to pass through the gate. It just answer why the monster coudn't. |
HyperLMay 20, 2016 8:11 PM
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| >Pushing the train from the inside to prevent derailing of the track That part was just stupid as hell lmao |
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Bloeshue said: Funny how she immediately follows up "remove pressure limiters" with taking her coat off. Anyways, despite the debate of the show's adherence to physics already kind of dwindling after it being argued whether the show's shounen or seinen, I think that as a very large part of the show depends on their travel by train, I am going to have to get this off my chest: I can't help but think the train thing is just something Japanese people can relate to, and is more of a prop than it is integral to the story- disagree if you care-, like many pointed out and specific to this episode, there are just too many liberties taken with how the locomotive in motion, actually works: 1) the train couldn't have generated enough momentum to produce the force necessary from its stationary position to burst through the steel gate when the cluster thing, running at full speed (assuming), could only put a dent in it at best. 2) Characters like Mumei are jumping back and forth on the roof of a moving train appearing to land as though the train isn't moving at all. And like with this episode came falling into Ikoma's arms in a trajectory that at the speed the train was moving at, would have her kissing the rails, or at the very least, have her landing at the very far end of the train. 3) The weight of the cluster thing was not taken into consideration- after landing on the train, mind you, the additional weight of perhaps thousands of Kabanes, the train still managed to accelerate without any mention of the encumbrance and it's effect on the speed of the train. It's just weird. All in all, the use of the train seems really...perfunctory- I guess it's because its during an age where steam power is the primary source of energy. It's sooo weak..this anime. And there's nothing strange about pushing from within the train in an effort to prevent it from derailing- it's like how a car shakes in comedies as a euphemism for sexual relations taking place with in. 1. The force of the cluster thing was muffled by it falling apart. The cluster thing is not as hard as it seems. It's almost like trying to pierce someone with a rubber sword. Even with too much strength it would be too hard. With a needle it would be too, too easy. 2. The trajectory was like that only relatively to the sight of the ones on the train... or so I think, since the thing was also moving. 3. If you are too much into physics to talk about this show, then you should know that the cluster thing's weight is relatively low, if it wasn't, it wouldn't be able to walk, don't even think about running at a train's speed. Even more, taking into account that the thing is too fragile that it falls apart even while running (Not to talk when it crashes, or hits something), the weight should be still lower. Perhaps some or all of these black Kabane which form the body of that think are a lot lighter than the usual Kabane. It's clear, anyway that anime with physics like the world's would be much more restricted, giant beings would hardly be allowed. If we admitted that as a valid complain, I'd have much to say about Dimension W (Which I liked a lot) as how it's just stupid that they put the W axis in the negative part of the X axis... but man, it's fiction. We don't have to be to fussy about the series not contradicting anything in any branch of physics... There is a limit. BTW, Ayame only said that the people should move to the right of the train to change the gravity center... of course there are stupid people who think pushing would help... but these same people think becoming Kabane is just a curse or something. Moving to the right might help (Or be not enough), and pushing will not. But they are uneducated people. |
LeviathanTheEspMay 20, 2016 9:38 PM
| I have to say, my heart was pumping throughout that whole second half, even when they all moved to stop the train from derailing. The OST and the action just fit so well together. Also, love that shot showing off Yukina's muscles. So a super awesome episode just aired and I come to MAL and all I see are people bashing it to all hell. What the hell does it take to please you people? |
Daw11 said: Just how big is Japan in this anime? Assuming that the train can barely outran the kabane and it travel at best at 50km/h, it shouldn't take them more than a day to travel from one side to the other of japan. In the anime it seems that it takes them days to reach another town. Two explanations will probably get tossed around. 1. They stop in safe zones so that increases travel time. 2. They take super roundabout routes because the kabane would be around the most populated areas. |
| That's one intense ep, also a great fighting scenes too. I really like the dynamic between Ikoma and Mumei on this ep, that one when he catches her after killing the smokey thing is so cute :3 And yaash, Ikoma+Kurusu duo is awesome! |
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| Have to say that the second half of that episode was pretty good and had me wanting to more. We just don't get enough of this in a week. ;-; |
When she took that jacket off, and flexed those muscles.... hooooooo boyyyy I do hope Mumei and Ikoma get closer. nothing romantic, just... understanding. |
| Be sure to message me if you quoted me and want me to respond! Just give me a link to the forum, because usually I leave my comment, then leave the forum. |
| Honestly this felt like a jump the shark episode for me. The whole cabana colony is just a joke on many levels and does not make sense. Seems like bad writing for the sake of "keeping up the intensity" for each installment. KAbane continue to act or exhibit inconsistency in their behaviors due to whatever the writer deems needed for the plot. |
| Mumei finally getting good again... That driver chick now my waifu |
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