CG-Silver said:This actually has been foreshadowed quite some times. It's not just a "WHAT IF" situation, the manga really explains the depth of Utsuro's character. Trust me, he is just not any other generic villain. To understand his character better, you can read chapters 590, 591, 593, 594.
The only thing this anime showed was his backstory, which led all the way up to the part where Gintoki supposedly killed him. That's it, that's all they ever showed in the anime, and they never raised any suspicion that he might still be alive. I never read the manga so if it's foreshadowed there, then whatever. If so, they did a piss poor job of translating that to the anime.
CG-Silver said:He never wanted the country to crumble, collapse, and burn. He was just following order as a police officer is supposed to. There is nothing wrong with obeying the law.
He wasn't following orders, if you pay any attention to what was happening they clearly explained that he planned everything out and led everyone here in hopes to kill everyone off including himself and end the era of Samurai (which if you go back and watch the first few episodes of the original seasons of Gintama, that era is supposed to already be long gone and samurai are supposed to be virtually extinct already, but somewhere along the line the author of Gintama forgot everything about the original premise of this series and broke that plot point a loooong time ago so it's somewhat irrelevant in this context). Then, a few flashbacks later, suddenly he doesn't care about that anymore and he spontaneously tries to save the people he was literally up until a few moments ago trying to kill. That's not character development, that's bad writing.
CG-Silver said:Now I'm failing to understand what's the problem here. This might be more on a personal level for you so I can't really see what's the complaining about. It's normal for any series to have it's fair share of revelations.
The problem is that the anime leads you up to believe that she's a heartless killer who doesn't care about anyone, and then at breakneck speeds just spontaneously breaks that entire archetype they created for her, and she spontaneously starts acting like a human being. It's not the fact that she had a hidden personality that got revealed that bothered me, it's the fact that the way the story was written in which that hidden personality was revealed was extremely messy and very poorly written. After revealing that she's not so heartless deep down, they also reveal that she originally killed Sasaki's family, but then very quickly later retract that and go "oh nope actually she tried to save them". All of the flashbacks leading up to that were building on the fact that she killed his family, that she was some sort of "child of death", and then BAM out of nowhere they spontaneously reverse that and now she's actually just a good girl who tried to save everyone. So Sasaki and Nobume have known each other since her childhood, all this time with the idea that she had killed his family, and then randomly at the end of the episode Sasaki goes "oh but maybe that was wrong this entire time, this crazy idea just came to me that maybe you actually just tried to save them lol, its cool". This was never discussed between them before? They never had a conversation about this until just now? And if that was the case this entire time, why spend half the episode showing flashbacks holding back information in order to lead people to believe one thing, if you're just going to reverse that and say something completely different happened in the last half? Get real.
CG-Silver said:Anything for any anime can be told by your WHAT IF situation. I'm not even joking, put any series here and I'll insert a WHAT IF and make unreasonable arguments on it. The character development and growth is actually one of the best in this arc. We got to know Shinsengumi on more of a personal level and how hopeless they could be without their leader.
You're clearly not understanding what is meant by "What if?". When I say that the plot can be summed up by "Wouldn't it be cool if...?", I'm saying that the plot is very poorly written and it gives the impression that whoever came up with the plot was all out of ideas and just started continuously putting in the first idea that came to mind that sounded cool, without any actual planning or attention to detail, or regards to characters. There was a lot of character development in this episode, yes, but it was bad and terribly written and usually felt very spontaneous.
You also conveniently left out the last part of that paragraph I wrote, criticizing the overwhelming amount of plot armor the characters have, and also the spontaneous change of heart that occured between the entire shinsengumi and mimawarigumi for no real reason (which is especially retarded considering that there was a huge animosity between those two groups, and it suddenly just all goes away because we are shown a couple of flashbacks). Do you not have a response to that?
CG-Silver said:This show actually doesn't have a 9.39 on MAL, double check to make sure you're checking MALs ratings and not any other site.
You're right, and 9.39 was a typo, I meant to type 9.28 but my finger was one letter to far to the left. Regardless, a difference of .11 in rating makes hardly any difference at all.
CG-Silver said:Gintama wasn't just going to finish with a "happy go lucky" ending. It has a plot and it can't be ignoring the issues at hand. This is no "top tier garbage", you're being over-dramatic because they finally started tackling with the main issues. The characterisation had no issues what so ever, they may act like they don't care about each other but whenever there was a problem, these characters did show their true colors and how they care about each other.
I never said I wanted a "happy go lucky ending". I sure didn't want this huge, messy, pathetic excuse for a plot though. And yes, there was problems with the characterization, and there has been for quite a while now, not just in this season but also the past season as well. This arc was just the breaking point where I can barely even recognize the characters anymore. Go watch the first couple of seasons of Gintama and you'll feel like you're watching a completely different show.
CG-Silver said:I actually have no problems with your over-dramatic situation, but the way you've phrased most of your sentences seems like a baseless and pathetic criticism that most of the time doesn't exist. You could've just written that you're afraid of change and that'd have made more sense. Lastly, calm down, you're hitting the CAPS way too hard :)
This whole last paragraph just reads as you being a condescending prick and completely disregarding my opinion. Not even going to bother responding if you keep that up. |