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souledge94 said: C-Core said: Zewerr said: So, she could have easily water landed the plane, jumped out of the cockpit window, and then blow the plane up. Just throwing that out there. You watch too many movies if you seriously believe a water landing is that easy. This is anime so if they wanted to somehow make it happen they could have.Though im happy they didint go that route. And this anime is set in realistic world following realistic laws of logic. So nope they could not. |
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souledge94 said: Yup thats why we have giant tentical monsters,magic,vampires, zombies and more.I like the show to but lets not act likes its realistic. He didn't mean there's no magic/supernatural elements by that. He means that the show follows rules and logic of the real world in matters not related to said supernatural and fictional elements. A rogue assassin with no experience whatsoever in flying air planes would never be able to land it in water in a real life scenario. Which is exactly how it went in F/0, thus it is realistic. |
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Botato said: souledge94 said: Yup thats why we have giant tentical monsters,magic,vampires, zombies and more.I like the show to but lets not act likes its realistic. He didn't mean there's no magic/supernatural elements by that. He means that the show follows rules and logic of the real world in matters not related to said supernatural and fictional elements. A rogue assassin with no experience whatsoever in flying air planes would never be able to land it in water in a real life scenario. Which is exactly how it went in F/0, thus it is realistic. ^ this Not to mention that said vampires monsters zombies etc have a shitload of set rules that make them possible and explain WHY and HOW such things exist. |
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souledge94 said: Fai said: souledge94 said: C-Core said: Zewerr said: So, she could have easily water landed the plane, jumped out of the cockpit window, and then blow the plane up. Just throwing that out there. You watch too many movies if you seriously believe a water landing is that easy. This is anime so if they wanted to somehow make it happen they could have.Though im happy they didint go that route. And this anime is set in realistic world following realistic laws of logic. So nope they could not. Yup thats why we have giant tentical monsters,magic,vampires, zombies and more.I like the show to but lets not act likes its realistic. Pretty much what Fai and Botato said. There are supernatural things and then there are other things that are simply ridiculous. If there is a bomb under my car and I get rid of it as if I'm Jason Statham... that is ridiculous. Natalia "simply" landing on the water, even though she is an amateur, is ridiculous. Nasu's concepts of magic and the supernatural follow a certain kind of logic and it's fantasy fiction, so it works differently than a water landing, which we can imagine very well. |
CapsuleCoreMay 26, 2014 1:42 PM
| Not to mention that,even if Natalia was a real pro, landing the plane without causing damage (aka breaking parts of it)and letting the bees go out, is impossible. |
| I cried a little when he did. Thought I'd be bored when I realized this episode was a flashback continuation, but it was actually really engaging. Even if you dislike Kiritsugu, at least you understand him. I agree with his choice. She was an amateur at air piloting so if she messed up the landing one bit, it would've torn an opening in the plane and let all those bees out into the airport and then city. As for abandoning the plane and jumping out - then she wouldn't have been able to direct the plane to a place where Kiritsugu could explode it. |
yaddayadda said: As for abandoning the plane and jumping out - then she wouldn't have been able to direct the plane to a place where Kiritsugu could explode it. She will hit the water at very high speed (which is no different from a hard surface at this speed) and die. Either way there's no saving her, she's doomed. |
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| It's not filler if it's in the source material >.> |
Flutterhigh said: One of the best fillers I've ever seen, probably my favourate episode in this anime so far. They really showed Kiritsugu's personality in these two episodes, why he's so cold today. Was nice seeing some emotion in him for once. >> Main character's backstory and character development >> Filler WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING HERE. |
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| I think I'm having some major deja vu here... |
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| gat damn this dude is as cold as a pack of ice. he sure worked hard to earn those dead eyes of his. |
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| Finishing this episode made me shed tears. Kiritsugu's backstory was definitely worth the watch. |
| That was excellently executed! Better than the previous episode, now I understand to what extent Kiritsugi has broken down too and his reasoning for doing what he does. Natalia ;_; This episode reminded me a lot of Jormungand. |
| Seriously, the most interesting FZ episode till now. Kiritsugu becomes one of my fav characters. |
| I was right, he is clearly deranged in his thinking, his sense of justice is really messed up. How can he wish to win this war and to "save" everyone if he couldn't even get himself happy? Anyway, not bad episode, actually a lot better than the last one and it was nice to see some similiarities with Urobuchi's earlier work on Phatom. But I still can't sympathize with Kiritsugu and I can't agree with his twisted view of the world when he is making his decisions. Like Kuzuki he is somehow stripped of his satisfaction in life but unlike him it was Kiritsugu who was the cause of this suffering, he brought it on him by himself. Shirou actually understood what he didn't and surpassed him in every possible way. Yes, Kerry deserves no pity at all. |
| And that is why this here (FSN HF spoiler) Oh, and I responded to your latest comment on the episode before. Hope you've read it. |
CapsuleCoreSep 2, 2014 3:22 PM
C-Core said: And that is why this here (FSN HF spoiler) Oh, and I responded to your latest comment on the episode before. Hope you've read it. Thanks, I was searching for that scene in novel but it seems I have no saved position near it so this would do nicely. And yes, I read it already before, thanks for the info there (by the way, I almost always read those replies, it's just sometimes I simply don't have anything new to add or not enough time to do it ;) |
Mich666Sep 2, 2014 6:01 PM
| Great backstory. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
RedRoseFring said: Agreed.Great backstory. Kiritsugu is like the good and at the same time the evil of Fate/Zero, it's strange... Sometimes I like him, sometimes I just hate him. Great episode. |
| I knew this was coming from the begining. Still didn't make feel any better, it was a really sad episode. |
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| I'm so mad at this episode!! I just hated when she smiled right before dying! I feel... frustrated, I don't know. |
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| All those feels too hard to hold. Kiritsugu's past is such a depressing mess now I understand why he acts the way he does. Also reading through these comments, some are laughably retarded that they made me forget about the sad ending. |
| Natalia should have crash landed the plane into the ocean. Then Kiritsugu could have picked her up on that boat, ride away from the plane, and then blast it. |
Tengoku_no_hakai said: Natalia should have crash landed the plane into the ocean. Then Kiritsugu could have picked her up on that boat, ride away from the plane, and then blast it. Tell me how an amateur is supposed to crash land on water without heavily risking one's life. This isn't Hollywood. |
CorePriest said: Also tell us how many professionals can actually crash land successfully.Into water.Tengoku_no_hakai said: Natalia should have crash landed the plane into the ocean. Then Kiritsugu could have picked her up on that boat, ride away from the plane, and then blast it. Tell me how an amateur is supposed to crash land on water without heavily risking one's life. This isn't Hollywood. |
| 1.What magic?The wasps,even one ,could escape from the plane crash.It wouldnt just go underwater without anything happening. 2.Parachutes in commercial flights...Okay. Reinforcement magic.A Basic for magus. They didnt have more options and being professional "hunters" doesnt make them invincible. |
| Umm, cockpit windows would be incredibly hard to break so the whole "have Natalie land on water then rescue her" wouldn't work at all. Assuming anyone can land a jumbo commercial jet in the freaking ocean in the first place. Plus she knew it was coming, she was smiling. |
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SaveTheAralSea said: Not that she knew it was coming but more like glad that it was coming. It's basically her being relieved that she raised Kiritsugu well and he made the right decision.Plus she knew it was coming, she was smiling. |
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| Why did Kiritsugu kill her -.- They could've killed the ghouls afterwards ;_; |
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Lichtspiel said: Sigh...And the bugs?Why did Kiritsugu kill her -.- They could've killed the ghouls afterwards ;_; |
| The real plothole is a single stinger missile completely annihilating an entire airliner including all traces of the bugs and ghouls. butt fuck it. |
| I had a feeling he was going to blow up the plane. The plane in the sky looked so beautiful as well. Sad to see him kill his "mother" oh the feels ;_; |
| I cried. I legit cried. That... that was too sad... Kiritsugu's monologue and scream at the end were just... RIGHT IN THE FEELS. These are the best flashback episodes I have ever watched... ;-; I had a strong feeling Natalia wouldn't survive, especially the way the two were talking to each other as if they were saying their goodbyes, but it wasn't until I saw Kiritsugu loading his gun the thought entered my head he was going to do it himself. Kerry wins this series. Gen2K_ said: Bazooka Joe Kiritsugu Lmfaoooo I should not be laughing at this. |
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Zadion said: I cried. I legit cried. That... that was too sad... Kiritsugu's monologue and scream at the end were just... RIGHT IN THE FEELS. These are the best flashback episodes I have ever watched... ;-; I had a strong feeling Natalia wouldn't survive, especially the way the two were talking to each other as if they were saying their goodbyes, but it wasn't until I saw Kiritsugu loading his gun the thought entered my head he was going to do it himself. Kerry wins this series. Gen2K_ said: Bazooka Joe Kiritsugu Lmfaoooo I should not be laughing at this. Fufufufu~.~I cried too,I pity for natalia,she sacrifice herself |
| This is just sad... |
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| 5/5 Good episode, even if the narrative is a bit forced in the end because of the extreme choice taken by Kiritsugu and for having paid too easily the years of his adolescence with a couple of episodes, without illustrating more his psyche. Now with this short period we have a fragment of Kiritsugu was young, but at the same time fewer episodes to advance the main story, oh well! Quality of the drawings a little fallen, but always excellent animations. |
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| I wish this and the previous episodes where made into a 1 hour movie with manten full version at the end. Best episodes in the entire series becuase it brought other elements from the nasuverse in. Natalia's sigs where an awesome knk reference as was alba. |
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| how did i know he was going to do that </3 |
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| Kiritsugu is such an asshole. |
shizuokai said: Kiritsugu is such an asshole. Yeah he should have had her land the plane and let those things infest the whole city amirite? |
RedRoseFring said: Great backstory. Now I know why he's such an awesome character. Impressive episode. |
| wow... Kiritsugu is the most fucked up main character ever. |
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m-i-c-h-a-e-l said: wow... Kiritsugu is the most fucked up main character ever. And yet he gets worshiped on Reddit. |
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| After so long I've finally taken the chance to watch this series and I have to say the praise for Fate Zero is well founded. It's not flawless of course, but the emotions in this anime are so powerful. I can feel all of the sadness, despair, and sorrow through the characters' actions and events, something I cannot say for most anime. The OST in my opinion plays a big part in conveying all these feelings. Jeez, I can just feel the pain in Kiritsugu's chest when he shot down the plane T_T |
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