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Well this felt like a huge waste. it took 5 episodes just to catch up to the synopsis? Really?

The fake is REALLY obvious. (And was also spoiled for me) So all this is just kinda dragging on to me.
But I want to know HOW they pulled it off.

How many more episodes are they gonna waste stuck in a room?

well the WHOLE POINT is to find how it was pulled of, who did it can be deduced afterwards. If you can't understand how it was done even while being spoiled about who did it, that means that the mystery is seriously strongly built.
So you're contradicting yourself by saying it's a waste. Also, don't blame the show for some stupid people spoiling you.


*Cough* I'm afraid it was probably me spoiling it. It wasn't meant to, I put it under a spoiler tag since I'm used to people only reading spoilers if, you know, they really want to, and it was a hint for those paying attention to something.
I underestimated the overuse of spoilers here though, so at least a couple of people last week (I think it was last week) read my spoiler while they didn't want to get spoilered before it got removed by a mod.
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Gymkata said:

So...strongest man in the world is in quite a spot. Am I the only one who finds it ironic that an assassin who specializes in getting in and out of sealed places quickly is the same one shifting suspicion onto Adlet?


IKR, Adlet could've said someone sneaked in while he was preoccupied with looking at the monkey fiend transformation.
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Gymkata said:

So...strongest man in the world is in quite a spot. Am I the only one who finds it ironic that an assassin who specializes in getting in and out of sealed places quickly is the same one shifting suspicion onto Adlet?


IKR, Adlet could've said someone sneaked in while he was preoccupied with looking at the monkey fiend transformation.


But he was the first one in... Fremy, Goldof and Nashe were eye-witnesses to that as well.

Edit: Wasn't the door still closed at that point anyway?
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YEEART said:

But he was the first one in... Fremy, Goldof and Nashe were eye-witnesses to that as well.

Edit: Wasn't the door still closed at that point anyway?


Yeah it was unfortunate no one else was with him



He defeats the automated warriors, hears the monkey fiend growls and walks down the steps. Of course it could be possible he lost several minutes of his memory.
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Well, well, well, this was an interesting episode. I always love when I can be completely enthralled by 7 people in a room talking. Hans is definitely my favorite character in the series thus far. His ability to think things through and ignite or dissuade the feelings of the rest of the Braves is nothing short of marvelous. He manipulated the entire flow of this episode.
My first thought is that none of the Seven are actually evil, but rather one of them is an unsuspecting tool. But being entirely honest, I don't know nearly enough about this world or the abilities to have any real guesses as to what happened. It could be that by forcing the barrier open the Saint of Salt's contingency plan was activated... Adlet's forced entry could very well be to blame, but I'm not sure.
Pretty torn on whether or nor I like Chamot. On one hand her child-like cockiness and amoral attitude are interesting, but on the other hand they're annoying.
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derprume said:
YEEART said:

But he was the first one in... Fremy, Goldof and Nashe were eye-witnesses to that as well.

Edit: Wasn't the door still closed at that point anyway?


Yeah it was unfortunate no one else was with him



He defeats the automated warriors, hears the monkey fiend growls and walks down the steps. Of course it could be possible he lost several minutes of his memory.

I hope I get credit for this theory as it's copyrighted.
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Damn, that was a real tense episode! Wonder how it all will play out. Adlet's in a bad situation now. Can't wait for next episode.


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I like the tension this episode.
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Somehow the princess made some weird faces there... considering how she had been before...


Mhm, now that you mentioned...
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That was good, as expected from AOTS-candidate.

Theory Time:
1-While Bunny girl is still the most suspicous for me, Adlet is pretty close now, especially when he said to cat detective ''There are plenty of ways in''. A Tongue slip maybe?

2-As i said, Bunny Girl is the most suspicous atm, especially since she is the Saint of Blades. Couldn't she like, ya know, ''Project'' a blade from outside the Temple inside it? That can also explain why she is so tired, as it took alot of her.
Also, some of the scenes where she was clumsy, confused, etc... could be ''mistaken'' for her trying to kill Someone (especially Adlet). Look at last episode where she was swinging her blade aroung like crazy.

3-Goldof, he knows something. Also, Remember how Adlet looked like he realised something when he look at Goldof and Bunny Girl? hmmm....


Closing Words: Dat OP.
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I have not read the LN so I don't know anything but in the new OP, there was a glimpse of a reptile-like creature seeming to have similar "ears" as Nashetania, my money is on Nashetania being the traitor.
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I have not read the LN so I don't know anything but in the new OP, there was a glimpse of a reptile-like creature seeming to have similar "ears" as Nashetania, My money is on Nashetania being the traitor.


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Really liked the episode, full of tension everywhere, so awesome.
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shadowmike66 said:
I have not read the LN so I don't know anything but in the new OP, there was a glimpse of a reptile-like creature seeming to have similar "ears" as Nashetania, My money is on Nashetania being the traitor.


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calm down lol xD. But yeah the ears are fake. Just like Chamo's frog costume, Hans' cat like behaviour and tail (?) , Goldof's sheep horns on his helmet, the guys at the beginning of the first episode wearing wolf/bird symbols...
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JonPiter said:
I have a question to the LN readers, is it already possible to the watchers discover how the barrier was activated based only on the information in the anime?
You could get some slight clues but not all of it.

On topic: It seems "that" appeared in the opening even more. While in the last Op it was just some frames, "it" got a higher image now. Now, how will they introduce "it"?
Tension got build-up and I was grinning the whole time watching the episode. I can't help but love Hans' way of talk and I'm eagered to see him animated when fighting.

Goldof and his means of treating Fremy are pissing me off. He is one of the worst characters in this series IMO. His sick love for Nashetania will do no good for him. Though I laughed at the part when he was staring and throwing daggers at Adlet XD

New OP isn't my type, preferred the first one but 2nd ending is good so there's a balance. Passione is throwing small hints with spoilers at us so early and some details are being omitted, then again, in around 3-4 episodes the things will be at its climax most likely, unless they enlargen the incoming scenes.
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new opening, but the music change with almost the same sequences feels.. lazy, and a bit out of sync :/
nice music btw, and the animation seems very good this episode

oh, so if they find the fake they'll be able to disable the barrier

adlet really had the need to introduce himself as the strongest once again xD
so mora took the place of riura, really wonder what happened to riura..
chamo is scary ...
hans the cat lover...
really a lot of strange people in that group as mora said
:O fremy is half fiend? :O

mora had the key????? anyone with the key could have gone in even before adlet did open the door with bombs
waiting inside and activating the barrier while the doors were being opened
so it must me one of mora, chamo or hans
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First off, I can't stand Nashetania...and secondly, I starting to hate Goldof with his way of treating Fremy.
I have a feeling that Goldof know who is the fake hero.
Also Nashetania is acting so suspicious and holding Adlet's hand...might be that she want to erase Adlet's mark or do something to make it disappear.
So now all the blame is going to be on Adlet...
Edit: I will still betting on Nashetania as a fake.
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Zeando said:
new opening, but the music change with almost the same sequences feels.. lazy, and a bit out of sync :/
nice music btw, and the animation seems very good this episode

oh, so if they find the fake they'll be able to disable the barrier

adlet really had the need to introduce himself as the strongest once again xD
so mora took the place of riura, really wonder what happened to riura..
chamo is scary ...
hans the cat lover...
really a lot of strange people in that group as mora said
:O fremy is half fiend? :O

mora had the key????? anyone with the key could have gone in even before adlet did open the door with bombs
waiting insideand activating the barrier while the doors were being opened
so it must me one of mora, chamo or hans
Hm, I can refutate your theory about Mora. This door made by the Saint of Seals has something special. It remains open without/with the key.So either way it would have remained open even if they tried to close it. So I really doubt it is Mora. Hans is too lovely to even be considered bad and he is making some good points against Adlet.

About Chamo..
*Chamo is Chamo.* XD
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My LN buddies are fangasming over the appearance of somebody in the new OP and I must say that he/she looks pretty interesting =o
he/she/it was into the first opening too
assuming you're talking about the human like fiend, and not the dragon eye

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A tense, interesting episode, getting our Braves immediate backstories. Felt like a juryroom drama ala 12 Angry Men. The way I see it these 3 are definitely not the fake:

1. Adlet - the MC, enough said.
2. Flamie - given her backstory and role so far she's safe, plus she was pretty cleared this week.
3. Hans - he seems like the too obvious red herring.

I like Maura best so I hope she's safe, but I can't clear any of the other 4. My gut tells me it's either Nashetania or Goldof, leaning towards the former. Might her Saint of Blade powers allow her to control blade weapons like swords remotely? That's my guess for how the barrier was activated.


holy shit. it make sense for the princess being the 7th brave when you see it that way.
Maybe.
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ValhasDrew said:
This door made by the Saint of Seals has something special. It remains open without/with the key.So either way it would have remained open even if they tried to close it.

that seems a very strange way to work for a security system
hans didn't say anything about the door staying open, wasn't it about the opposite? the doors staying closed and impenetrable?

ah ok, rewatched it, so using the key to open the door before isn't an option,
Unless, the door staying open applies only when the door is forced, meaning the doors are staying open cause they are waiting for the animated armors to come back in, but since adlet defeated the armors the door is staying open


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So I really doubt it is Mora.
it could be anyone with the key, if they took it from mora and then gave it back with her not noticing the other two hans and chamo are possible too, that's why i listed the 3 of them
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Good episode. It managed to retain that tension from last week, which is cool, even though it's obvious who the fake is.

This Hans Humpty dude reminds me of Neferpitou with his usage of "nyaa". He's definitely one of my favorites, though.

The new opening's nice. You can tell they got a bit lazy with the visuals, but the song makes up for it, IMO.

In these last couple episodes, the art and animation seems to have improved, and the camera angles have been on point as well. Gotta give props to Passione.
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Zeando said:
ValhasDrew said:
This door made by the Saint of Seals has something special. It remains open without/with the key.So either way it would have remained open even if they tried to close it.

that seems a very strange way to work for a security system
hans didn't say anything about the door staying open, wasn't it about the opposite? the doors staying closed and impenetrable?

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So I really doubt it is Mora.
it could be anyone with the key, if they took it from mora and then gave it back with her not noticing the other two hans and chamo are possible too, that's why i listed the 3 of theml

Actually he was giving examples of what kind of doors he had encountered, right after that he mentioned this:
[Hans: I know a lot about the Seal Saint's Doors.
Adlet: What? What is he thinking?
Hans: This door's interesting...
It is incredibly strong but once it opens, it won't close again.]
Link: http://prntscr.com/7zsazb

About Chamo, it was impossible for her to steal the key before the door was opened since Mora had only met Hans until she reached the temple. The only one could be Hans but as you see in my above text, the door once it is opened can't be closed so that's pretty much enough to refutate your theory.
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So they believe somehow a tiny bomb Adlet homemade blew open a temple made by saints that withheld waves of bombs being dropped on it.


No bombs ever hit the temple. It was trick. Adlet noted this in ep 4 when he came there and noticed everything was undamaged.
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Good episode. There's just not enough information available to name a likely suspect. The imposter would have had to sneak by Adlet while he was engaged with the two (rather useless) guards and the monkey, insert the sword, and rush out again. Unless there's another exit. It's quite a puzzle. Adlet staring at Goldov was curious. Not sure what he was seeing.
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@ValhasDrew

ah ok, rewatched it, so using the key to open the door before isn't an option,
Unless, the door staying open applies only when the door is forced, meaning the doors are staying open cause they are waiting for the animated armors to come back in, but since adlet defeated the armors the door is staying open

^this was my edit to the previous post
i'm not taking anything the characters said as confirmed truth, what hans said is what hans observed

ok about chamo, that leaves mora or hans

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EDIT: Deleted as suggested.

Zeando said:
@ValhasDrew

ah ok, rewatched it, so using the key to open the door before isn't an option,
Unless, the door staying open applies only when the door is forced, meaning the doors are staying open cause they are waiting for the animated armors to come back in, but since adlet defeated the armors the door is staying open

^this was my edit to the previous post
i'm not taking anything the characters said as confirmed truth, what hans said is what hans observed

ok about chamo, that leaves mora or hans
Oba-chan ;-; / Neko Hans :3
Also, even if the animated armors came back inside, the door would remain opened. The animated armors attacked/moved because the door was open without the key. That pretty much sums up currently what we know.
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@ValhasDrew

if you are a LN reader (differently than me) you should avoid pointing out spoilers
i am making theories, i just payed real good attenion to all the previous episodes, and now it's the time to speculate and use reasoning
so, if you want you could delete your last post, and i'll do the same

assuming you were talking about me, it wasn't sure clear

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Zeando said:
@ValhasDrew

if you are a LN reader (differently than me) you should avoid pointing out spoilers
i am making theories, i just payed real good attenion to all the previous episodes, and now it's the time to speculate and use reasoning
so, if you want you could delete your last post, and i'll do the same

assuming you were talking about me, it wasn't sure clear
It wasn't meant for you. (Deleted the 2nd part due to editing my first post)
But yes, I'm reading the LN but if you notice, my posts are just refutating theories with points in anime so it is safe.
Sorry if yo misundertood.
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nah, sorry for jumping to conclusions, keeping spoilers out of these threads is helping already
i appreciate that a lot

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nah, sorry for jumping to conclusions, keeping spoilers out of these threads is helping already
i appreciate that a lot
It is completely fine. Anyways, glad you seem to be enjoying the series.

On topic: Does anyone has seen or knows where I could buy the LNs online? Been trying to find them but no luck. Reason to buying them is to support the author(plus reading the latest content on it before I get bombed with spoilers >.>).
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Great episode and intense ending!!!!
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Wait a sec...

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lol worst case ever i read so much Japan detective genre.this kinda dull for me so much detective cliche Trivia.
less suspected person will be hannin i said to you bunny girl.
too easy guess i mean.
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All of the suspicion is on adelt now... But fremy is definitly out of question. Yea I didn't get how adelt opened the door by blasting it... There must have been someone there to activate it... Well we get a new op? Looking forward to who the seventh person is!!!
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Wait a sec...

Was there any real confirmation that the fog was in fact associated with the activation of the barrier, or was it a mistaken assumption/ruse? I'm stumped and can't get past Hans' argument at the end lol. I'm going to have to rewatch those episodes because I missed a lot...
the fog being part of the barrier was explained by the soldier when they were into the fortress

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Yea I didn't get how adelt opened the door by blasting it... There must have been someone there to activate it... Well we get a new op? Looking forward to who the seventh person is!!!
maybe he didn't opened it, he tried to force it open, which didn't work, but it activated the self defence system with the armors, and the armors to come out need the doors to open
but given how weak were the armors that security system sucks

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That barrier is made with the fog saint ans the illusion saint so yes, obviously it is related. The red circle on the map shown by the soldier in episode 3 is the range of the barrier. It's here to completely block the entry of the enemy territory so it needs to cover a part in salt water too, so that fiend really have no way to pass.
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Damn. Because of the last episode I started reading the LN and I'm currently on volume 2. I can't wait for the rest to be animated.
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The new OP is pretty good.
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Yea I didn't get how adelt opened the door by blasting it... There must have been someone there to activate it...
Exactly, I found that strange as well, from the moment he blasted the door - it almost seemed to easy.
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Damn. Because of the last episode I started reading the LN and I'm currently on volume 2. I can't wait for the rest to be animated.
I read the current translations for the LNs after seeing episode 1. Before episode 2 was aired, I had read most of the volumes. The story's too good for you to stop reading. With Volume 6 being released, more's to come and I can't get myself to calm down XD
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I might as well put all the Braves' names on a spinning wheel and throw a dart just to make a judgement call on who the fake is, cause I've got no fucking clue.
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Wait why is everyone assuming that what Hans said is true, for all I know he could have made that up.
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We all know the fake is the princess guard guy, so obvious
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So this episode feels a bit off. The camera work has significantly improved, which is a good thing. The tension is real, but the way they just talk it all out for 15 minutes quickly starts to get to me. It gets more bland towards the end. I would like to see some real conflict, as in insults being exchanged and weapons drawn. Animation is still awkward at some point, but at least we don't have to tolerate those ugly CGI monsters.

As for the characters, Adlet is still at his best claiming he is the strongest man in the world. There might be a hidden meaning behind that, as says "strongest" and not "most powerful". I might be wrong, though. Charmot and Hans are interesting, though Hans's voice is a bit annoying, being high-pitched. The rest, I can't say. 5 epsiodes in and Goldof still has little to no personality. I hope he is well-developed later on.

Overall, I will give this one 3.5 /5.
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Hans effectively cleared Fremy (sp?), and she, Goldov, and Nachetenya (sp?) can all clear each other, being all fighting in the same place at the time the barrier was activated. I don't know if Maura and Hans can clear each other in that way, but they arrived together, so its possible, but unconfirmed. That leaves Chamot, who arrived alone, has wanted to kill Fremy (a traitor to the fiends) while everyone else has either voiced or listened to reason and spared her, AND she killed the shape-shifting fiend that Adlet spoke of. Or, rather, she SAYS she killed the fiend, and thus verified part of Adlet's story, but how did she know that fiend was the same one Adlet was talking about, especially when she arrived so much later, after Adlet had entered the chamber, and after Goldov, Nache-whatever, and Fremy arrived? That's quite a space of time for it to have been a different fiend. Or, perhaps, for the fiend to have killed Chamot and shape-shifted into her?
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ARE WE GOING NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PLOT HOLES....

The only ways to take down the barrier are
to kill the one who put it up
the one who activated it has to take it down
SO WHY DONT THEY ALL JUST TRY AND TAKE IT DOWN...

and another thing... everyone is supsious over adlet since he was the only one there but completely gloss over the fact the maura said that she had the key... she also said she had some type of plan and waited until she saw janz sooo.

AM I WRONG... HAVE I NOT BEEN PAYING ENOUGH ATTENTION TO THE SHOW AND MISSED SOME DETAILS. SOMEONE HELP ME
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That's it. I hate Chamot. She's an annoying little shit.

And i STILL don't trust that princess. She just seems so fishy yo.
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Adlet is fucked
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bibotot said:
So this episode feels a bit off. The camera work has significantly improved, which is a good thing. The tension is real, but the way they just talk it all out for 15 minutes quickly starts to get to me. It gets more bland towards the end. I would like to see some real conflict, as in insults being exchanged and weapons drawn. Animation is still awkward at some point, but at least we don't have to tolerate those ugly CGI monsters.

As for the characters, Adlet is still at his best claiming he is the strongest man in the world. There might be a hidden meaning behind that, as says "strongest" and not "most powerful". I might be wrong, though. Charmot and Hans are interesting, though Hans's voice is a bit annoying, being high-pitched. The rest, I can't say. 5 epsiodes in and Goldof still has little to no personality. I hope he is well-developed later on.

Overall, I will give this one 3.5 /5.


Remembering Episode 2 I recall him saying that the reason he was the strongest was because he was going to save the people and stop the demons, when Nashetanya told him to not go and rescue Fremy.

So under that guise, normally one of the Braves in each cycle dies so could that not mean that his main goal is to defeat the Demon King without anyone of the 6/7 Dying?

On a whole, this episode was interesting. Have a few theories but not any I can properly back up yet.
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